Texas public schools required to teach Bible this year

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#501 skelebull3000
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[QUOTE="skelebull3000"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Actually science IS required.cyberdarkkid

I'm talking about high school. At least in Europe it isn't a required subject in high school >_>

And Bible literature will only be required in Texas.

When did I say that the entire USA has it as a mandatory class?

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#502 Orledjro
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America was originally a christain nation and alot of the laws anywhere these days were taken from the bible, so yes I think it should be taught.

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#503 skelebull3000
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[QUOTE="skelebull3000"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Actually science IS required.LJS9502_basic

I'm talking about high school. At least in Europe it isn't a required subject in high school >_>

In HS as well.....

Well then, I don't see any reason for this not to be allowed.

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[QUOTE="cyberdarkkid"][QUOTE="skelebull3000"]

I'm talking about high school. At least in Europe it isn't a required subject in high school >_>

skelebull3000

And Bible literature will only be required in Texas.

When did I say that the entire USA has it as a mandatory class?

"What they want to study in school should be their choice. We don;t force students to learn science, why should we force the bible on them?"

It was on regards to ^that , and my post was meant to be combined with the other replies you got.

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#505 hobo290
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NO!!! I LIVE IN TEXAS!!.

But, I don't think it should be reqiured.....

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#506 skelebull3000
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[QUOTE="skelebull3000"]

[QUOTE="cyberdarkkid"] And Bible literature will only be required in Texas.cyberdarkkid

When did I say that the entire USA has it as a mandatory class?

"What they want to study in school should be their choice. We don;t force students to learn science, why should we force the bible on them?"

It was on regards to ^that , and my post was meant to be combined with the other replies you got.

Don't see it. Doesn't matter anyway. I was using the "we" as a general term, as in people.

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#507 awssk8er716
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I don't think it's a bad idea.

I personally don't believe in the Bible, but if they taught me stuff like that in school, you don't have to believe in it, eventhough they are teaching it.

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#508 BenBenBen93
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if they tach the parts abot being a good kind person hats alright. but as soon as they start preaching about That guy who was actually willing to kill his own child for GOD or preaching about how jesus magical cured someone as though it was no set up. thats where the education system should draw the LINE

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#509 viewtiful26
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I don't think it's a bad idea.

I personally don't believe in the Bible, but if they taught me stuff like that in school, you don't have to believe in it, eventhough they are teaching it.

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I'm a bit confused why everyone's so upset about this, since there's a difference between teaching about the bible and teaching the religion, and I'm assuming the former is being done. In my literature class back in my public High School , one of the textbook anthologies had passages from the King James Bible. Assuming these classes are just analyzing the impact the bible has had on literature, I don't see a problem. The majority of literature has allusions and references to biblical stories.
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[QUOTE="Saxsoon"] You do realize it is an elective right? As in optional.

they're not requiring a 'study of the Qu'ran' elective.
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#511 mindstorm
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[QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="Saxsoon"] You do realize it is an elective right? As in optional.

they're not requiring a 'study of the Qu'ran' elective.

...but Christianity is the most relevant for American culture.
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#512 Bentham
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I hate this backwards country.
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#513 12345678ew
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It's Texas - that sort of thing is only to be expected. To teach the Bible as fact is ridiculous, as Christianity is not proven; it is not fact, and to tell people that God is real at that age is likely to breed life-long Christians, which as an atheist I think is bad.

Plus, most Christians interpret the Bible with a pinch of salt anyway.

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i know.... have you met christians that truly believe it all? they're horrible. i'm sorta christian... but i'm hoping god's like me, in that he won't ask folks to waste a day for him, won't tell people not to do things when he gave them free will, if he gave them free will he'll let us do what we like, and probably doesn't want 100 million people asking him to help others all the time.
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[QUOTE="mindstorm"] ...but Christianity is the most relevant for American culture.

the establishment clause trumps any claim for culture. and even if it wouldn't, Christianity doesn't have that much effect on the culture of America anyway. certainly Christians themselves were some of the greatest people in American history, but the religion itself didn't influence the people to the same extent as, say, Italy and the rest of Europe.
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[QUOTE="mindstorm"] ...but Christianity is the most relevant for American culture.Hewkii
the establishment clause trumps any claim for culture. and even if it wouldn't, Christianity doesn't have that much effect on the culture of America anyway. certainly Christians themselves were some of the greatest people in American history, but the religion itself didn't influence the people to the same extent as, say, Italy and the rest of Europe.

Very true. :idea:

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#516 Mercury_May2112
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[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="MasterBolt360"]Same goes for evolution. What dumbass would believe we came from monkeys? MasterBolt360
I strongly recommend learning about the theory of evolution before attempting to make fun of it :\ That comment wasn't even current in the era of the Scopes trial

Honestly I hate that theory. It's so stupid! (IMO)

Didn't you post a theory about how you feel down stairs when you were a baby and since you didn't get injured, it must have been angels that saved you?

If so...

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#517 dont-read-this
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I thought the USA were supposed to be one of the most advanced/developed countries in the planet.
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#518 ferrari2001
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I like how people say no, "lets not teach our children about the most world changing piece of literature that was ever created?" Seriously, you don't have to teach the religious views as fact, but it should be taught because it was so monumental to human development over the last 1700 years.
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[QUOTE="battlefront23"]

[QUOTE="bangell99"]Great. Kill the gays! :roll:

bangell99

Ignorant man is ignorant.

"A man who lies with another man should be stoned." Says the Bible.

I still don't understand why Homosexuals have to be under the influence of marijuana during intercourse according to the bible. Atleast it offers its approval of both.

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#520 Lebbin
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http://www.kltv.com/global/story.asp?s=10933571

WHITEHOUSE, TX (KLTV) - The school year is almost here, and if literature of the Bible is not already offered in your child's school, it will be this fall.

yay or nay?

weezyfb

I think it should be an elective, but not mandatory.

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I like how people say no, "lets not teach our children about the most world changing piece of literature that was ever created?" Seriously, you don't have to teach the religious views as fact, but it should be taught because it was so monumental to human development over the last 1700 years. ferrari2001

Do you honestly expect it to not be taught as fact in Texas public schools? I'm just glad I finished high school before this bull**** came into play.

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I like how people say no, "lets not teach our children about the most world changing piece of literature that was ever created?" Seriously, you don't have to teach the religious views as fact, but it should be taught because it was so monumental to human development over the last 1700 years. ferrari2001

...but it was the "religious views" that did that. The non god things haven't done jack **** for humanity. When someone says that the bible has great stuff in it, it's suffice to say that they aren't referring to the parts about farming, incest, murder, arson, or a man living in a fish.

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I like how people say no, "lets not teach our children about the most world changing piece of literature that was ever created?" Seriously, you don't have to teach the religious views as fact, but it should be taught because it was so monumental to human development over the last 1700 years. ferrari2001
we already learn about the fall of the Roman Empire, the Crusades, and the Reformation without a Bible Studies course.
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#524 ferrari2001
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[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]I like how people say no, "lets not teach our children about the most world changing piece of literature that was ever created?" Seriously, you don't have to teach the religious views as fact, but it should be taught because it was so monumental to human development over the last 1700 years. TM_Darkside

Do you honestly expect it to not be taught as fact in Texas public schools? I'm just glad I finished high school before this bull**** came into play.

I was taught all about the bible, of course I went to catholic school, but the bible is a very very very, (I can't say very enough) important piece of literature. Ignoring the bible is stupid. That is ignoring the thing that single handedly formed the world throughout the the middle and recent ages. The world would be much different without the bible. I think the bible should be taught in every school nation wide. Literature classes claim to teach the most monumental pieces of literature but they pass up the bible. Well they seem to have missed the most important one.
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[QUOTE="TM_Darkside"]

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]I like how people say no, "lets not teach our children about the most world changing piece of literature that was ever created?" Seriously, you don't have to teach the religious views as fact, but it should be taught because it was so monumental to human development over the last 1700 years. ferrari2001

Do you honestly expect it to not be taught as fact in Texas public schools? I'm just glad I finished high school before this bull**** came into play.

I was taught all about the bible, of course I went to catholic school, but the bible is a very very very, (I can't say very enough) important piece of literature. Ignoring the bible is stupid. That is ignoring the thing that single handedly formed the world throughout the the middle and recent ages. The world would be much different without the bible. I think the bible should be taught in every school nation wide. Literature classes claim to teach the most monumental pieces of literature but they pass up the bible. Well they seem to have missed the most important one.

Teaching the bible as literature rather than fact would be one thing, but every single public school in Texas will teach it as absolute fact.

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#526 muller39
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Thats ridiculous.

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#527 Cube_of_MooN
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What type of instruction on the Bible will there need to be? While the law is bad, if it isn't too strict maybe they could get away with reading Genesis in English class or something, and looking at it from a literary standpoint.
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#528 spawnassasin
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im from texas and i find this ridicules what ever happened to keeping church and state separate

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#529 StrawberryHill
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When I was attending the University of Washington, there was a class I attended on Islamic history, and a substantial portion of Islam's history entails studies on the Qu'ran and its teachings. If schools are allowed to teach the history of Islam and include parts of the Qu'ran as part of the curriculum, then other religions, including Christianity, should be given the same freedom. I think it's legitimate to allow the study of religion in public institutions, if it is done in a historical context.

As for being required, I don't agree with that. If you're going to require that one religious document (ie, the Bible) be taught in a public institution, you might as well require documents of all religious faiths to be taught in public educational systems.

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#530 Tjeremiah1988
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but no one complains when students are forced to read books that have curse words in em while a religious student may be in class. I remember in HS there was this required text that drop many F bombs.. I see nothing wrong with this move at all, its not forcing anyone to believe.
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#531 legend26
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god i hate bible thumpers

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but no one complains when students are forced to read books that have curse words in em while a religious student may be in class. I remember in HS there was this required text that drop many F bombs.. I see nothing wrong with this move at all, its not forcing anyone to believe.Tjeremiah1988

Sorry, I must be missing something here. What exactly do curse words have to do with religious beliefs?

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[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]but no one complains when students are forced to read books that have curse words in em while a religious student may be in class. I remember in HS there was this required text that drop many F bombs.. I see nothing wrong with this move at all, its not forcing anyone to believe.gameguy6700

Sorry, I must be missing something here. What exactly do curse words have to do with religious beliefs?

my point is, for years schools havent allowed a bible to be brought into school, to read, ect. But all students are required to read and to know science even if they dont believe in it, read books that go against their religion, etc. Maybe im not wording my argument right, but once i get my head cleared, ill get back to ya :P
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#534 weezyfb
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im from texas and i find this ridicules what ever happened to keeping church and state separate

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#535 gameguy6700
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[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]but no one complains when students are forced to read books that have curse words in em while a religious student may be in class. I remember in HS there was this required text that drop many F bombs.. I see nothing wrong with this move at all, its not forcing anyone to believe.Tjeremiah1988

Sorry, I must be missing something here. What exactly do curse words have to do with religious beliefs?

my point is, for years schools havent allowed a bible to be brought into school, to read, ect. But all students are required to read and to know science even if they dont believe in it, read books that go against their religion, etc. Maybe im not wording my argument right, but once i get my head cleared, ill get back to ya :P

The reason science gets taught is because it can be proven, is vital to living in modern society, and is an academic discpline. You can disbelieve in science all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that things like computers, medicine, airplanes, satallites, stars, viruses, cells, gravity, atom bombs, cars, and Big Macs exist (what, you thought the Big Mac was natural? HAH!). See, religion doesn't get taught in schools because it can't be proven and every culture has their own idea of what the "right" religion is. Science, however, is based entirely on evidence and there is no competing ideology when it comes to figuring out how to develop an HIV vaccine or put a man on the moon. At least not one that's worked.

Furthermore, while teaching the Bible might make Christians who have had to sit through the science classes they don't believe in feel better, what about the Muslim students who don't believe in either science or Christianity? Now they have two things being forced on them that they don't believe in. Or what about students who believe in Hinduism?

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#536 foolio_67
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Perhaps a class on the basics of a few major world religions would be a great edition to a class. It's terrible how ignorant people are about religion.

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#537 dub14
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I wish I went to a school in Texas, I would argue like hell with those religious morons.

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#538 gameguy6700
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I wish I went to a school in Texas, I would argue like hell with those religious morons.

dub14

I don't have to wish. I went to school in Georgia. I remember this one time in 10th grade world history I made a passing remark as a joke close to the start of class that "christian music is the devil's music". For the rest of the period the entire class, including the teacher, argued about whether or not this was true.

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#539 FlyingArmbar
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We'll that's emberassing...

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i'm gonna be sitting in that class wearing a black sabbath shirt :P

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Hmm... kinda confusing. The title says it's required, but the story makes it sound like it's just a subject that will be offered, as in optional. I didn't read anything in the story that says that students will actually be forced to learn the bible.
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#542 Teenaged
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Hmm... kinda confusing. The title says it's required, but the story makes it sound like it's just a subject that will be offered, as in optional. I didn't read anything in the story that says that students will actually be forced to learn the bible.JustPlainLucas
Yeah I fell in the same trap. :evil:

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#543 filiwian
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That kinda sucks.
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#544 hakanakumono
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I wouldn't mindif Texas just became it's own country.

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[QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="Saxsoon"] You do realize it is an elective right? As in optional.mindstorm
they're not requiring a 'study of the Qu'ran' elective.

...but Christianity is the most relevant for American culture.

All the more reason to offer it. Teach them about things we DON'T know.

Want to "learn" about the bible? Go to church. Because they're certainly not going to take an academic approach to the bible; that would anger many Christians.

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#546 LJS9502_basic
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This thread still going? Nothing wrong with having the option to study the bible as an elective. One can read the bible without a religious perspective. I notice Jedi became a religion but I doubt anyone would object to a school showing a Star Wars movie on religious grounds. It's all up to the individual as to the import they give something.
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#547 Saxsoon
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[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="TM_Darkside"]

Do you honestly expect it to not be taught as fact in Texas public schools? I'm just glad I finished high school before this bull**** came into play.

TM_Darkside

I was taught all about the bible, of course I went to catholic school, but the bible is a very very very, (I can't say very enough) important piece of literature. Ignoring the bible is stupid. That is ignoring the thing that single handedly formed the world throughout the the middle and recent ages. The world would be much different without the bible. I think the bible should be taught in every school nation wide. Literature classes claim to teach the most monumental pieces of literature but they pass up the bible. Well they seem to have missed the most important one.

Teaching the bible as literature rather than fact would be one thing, but every single public school in Texas will teach it as absolute fact.

You really are ignorant aren't you?I grew up in Texas, albeit west Texas and they wouldn't do that. At least in the metroplexes of El Paso, Austin, San Antonio, DFW, or Houston they wouldn't. I thought maybe I was biased growing up in El Paso which is a weird mix of fiscal liberals and social conservatives, but even then, it isn't that bad. My English teacher had to cover Calvinist doctrine because a lot of the poetry we read was written by Calvinists. Not once did he pass it off as fact. I have had a chance to live in East Texas in the Bible Belt at Texas A&M which is one of the most conservative schools in the country, and even they wouldn't teach it as fact. Most teachers anyway, even in Texas, are liberals and would teach it as literature. Even conservatives would keep it in bounds because they would realize the dangers that would come about if it was taught beyond literature. And I will say it again, it is OPTIONAL! My sister is heading back to high school this year, and this is the first I have heard about the matter.
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#548 LikeHaterade
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Holy guacamole. I'm Whitehouse, TX Alumni! We were never taught the Bible in school. Wow. That's so crazy.