Smoking should be banned in public completely ?

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] 10 feet probably wouldn't bother anyone either....BUT....the problem is that not all smokers are considerate that they are in a crowd. If they can light up in public...they do. This wouldn't be an issue if smokers policed themselves. That's why we get extreme laws passed. Because you might make sure not to bother non smokers doesn't mean other smokers are that considerate. Hence, as I said legislation.LJS9502_basic

Regarding smoking in general, I think that if the government thinks it's as evil as they claim to, then make it illegal (and do without the tremendous amountof taxes they collect on it).

Final note, I hate'rude' smokers. And thisis coming from someone who is in the process of quitting (again..... although with a kid on the way this time itHAS TO be for good).

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]Aren't there laws about where you can grill though? I mean, you can't just light a fire in the middle of a city centre, can you?jimmyjammer69

There are privately owned businesses like campgrounds, that allow grilling and campfires in my state. Unfortunately there are no privately owned businesses that can allow smoking.

even in inclosed spaces, the outback steakhouse has grills, the chillis has grills.... but nobody is allowed to smoke in either of them.

We even have barbeque joints, and barbeque joints have smokers... which if you arent the culinary expert that someone like myself is... is a device designed for producing the most amount of smoke possible... in order to use smoke to flavor the meat.

But again, smoking a cigarette is illegal in all of these places. And all these places create meats full of carcinogens... because if you didnt know... any charred or blackened food, is cancer causing food. The charred ash represented as grill lines in your steak or burger is actually a black line of cancer.

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="SoBaus"]

There are privately owned businesses like campgrounds, that allow grilling and campfires in my state. Unfortunately there are no privately owned businesses that can allow smoking.

SoBaus

even in inclosed spaces, the outback steakhouse has grills, the chillis has grills.... but nobody is allowed to smoke in either of them.

We even have barbeque joints, and barbeque joints have smokers... which if you arent the culinary expert that someone like myself is... is a device designed for producing the most amount of smoke possible... in order to use smoke to flavor the meat.

But again, smoking a cigarette is illegal in all of these places. And all these places create meats full of carcinogens... because if you didnt know... any charred or blackened food, is cancer causing food. The charred ash represented as grill lines in your steak or burger is actually a black line of cancer.

Note: Of course, the two brothers don't always follow that particular law.

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="SoBaus"]

There are privately owned businesses like campgrounds, that allow grilling and campfires in my state. Unfortunately there are no privately owned businesses that can allow smoking.

SoBaus

even in inclosed spaces, the outback steakhouse has grills, the chillis has grills.... but nobody is allowed to smoke in either of them.

We even have barbeque joints, and barbeque joints have smokers... which if you arent the culinary expert that someone like myself is... is a device designed for producing the most amount of smoke possible... in order to use smoke to flavor the meat.

But again, smoking a cigarette is illegal in all of these places. And all these places create meats full of carcinogens... because if you didnt know... any charred or blackened food, is cancer causing food. The charred ash represented as grill lines in your steak or burger is actually a black line of cancer.

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]If you can sit next to a grill or a campfire and not have an asthma attack.Overlord93

do smokers follow you around blowing smoke in your face? generally speaking both are stationary objects.SoBaus

all smoke is hot, smoke is the result of combustion. Whether its a burning cigarette or a burning log on the fireplace... smoke goes up. Otherwise, it wouldnt be smoke.

Yes smokers have legs, are you saying you are being trailed an harassed by smokers? Seems odd, but i could see why people might target you.

No.

I like to use GTA:SA wherever I can and relate it to real life. This is a commercial from the radio in the great world of GTA that I agree 100%.

--Proposition 421-- (Kill all smokers)    Woman: If only the world was less like this...    Man: I could use a smoke (sound of lighter)    Woman 2: Hey!  Put that out!    Woman: ...and more like this...    Man: I could use a smoke (sound of lighter)    Woman 2: You murderer!  I might have children one day!  (sound of gunshot)    Woman: Smoking kills.  Unless you kill first.  If you're around a smoker, you -will- die.  
Smokers may look like they're relaxed and having fun, but don't believe it.  Vote "yes" 
on Proposition 421.  Let's outlaw smoking everywhere- even in people's homes, and allow 
honest citizens to legally kill anyone who smokes.  Let's live in a world without smokers!  
Prohibition works- let's prove it.  Let's move up the food chain.  It's time to smoke the 
smokers!  Vote "yes" on Proposition 421.  

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]You're talking about enclosed workplaces, I'm guessing, where the law's probably just as strict on lighting campfires and barbecues.jimmyjammer69

even in inclosed spaces, the outback steakhouse has grills, the chillis has grills.... but nobody is allowed to smoke in either of them.

We even have barbeque joints, and barbeque joints have smokers... which if you arent the culinary expert that someone like myself is... is a device designed for producing the most amount of smoke possible... in order to use smoke to flavor the meat.

But again, smoking a cigarette is illegal in all of these places. And all these places create meats full of carcinogens... because if you didnt know... any charred or blackened food, is cancer causing food. The charred ash represented as grill lines in your steak or burger is actually a black line of cancer.

all states, but i live in connecticut. I used to goto pennsylvania and smoke and goto bars but then they made it illegal too. Its country wide. Im not entirely sure what a tobacconist even is....

same reason i dont goto a sushi place and demand pizza... i have basic knowledge that tells me different establishments serve different purposes. So if i want to eat pizza i dont goto a sushi restaurant, and if im looking for a health and wellness program i dont goto a bar. For me this makes sense, for most... maybe not. We should legally make bars serve only brown rice and skinless chicken breast for food and only blended wheat grass as beverages... sounds good to me, amirite?

seems like a good plan, every private business should do exactly what i want regardless of what they want... and if they dont do exactly what i want, i should sue them. I should be able to walk into a best buy and order a slice of pizza, and they legally should be required to serve it to me because im an over privileged d-bag with an over-inflated ego and a massive sense of entitlement.

i think we should just kill anyone who does anything i dont like. it would make the perfect world for me, as for everyone else ****um, why would their opinions and life choices matter in my perfect world.

i think we should just kill anyone who does anything i dont like. it would make the perfect world for me, as for everyone else ****um, why would their opinions and life choices matter in my perfect world.

surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

i think we should just kill anyone who does anything i dont like. it would make the perfect world for me, as for everyone else ****um, why would their opinions and life choices matter in my perfect world.

YellowOneKinobi

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

i think we should just kill anyone who does anything i dont like. it would make the perfect world for me, as for everyone else ****um, why would their opinions and life choices matter in my perfect world.

surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="SoBaus"]

even in inclosed spaces, the outback steakhouse has grills, the chillis has grills.... but nobody is allowed to smoke in either of them.

We even have barbeque joints, and barbeque joints have smokers... which if you arent the culinary expert that someone like myself is... is a device designed for producing the most amount of smoke possible... in order to use smoke to flavor the meat.

But again, smoking a cigarette is illegal in all of these places. And all these places create meats full of carcinogens... because if you didnt know... any charred or blackened food, is cancer causing food. The charred ash represented as grill lines in your steak or burger is actually a black line of cancer.

SoBaus

all states, but i live in connecticut. I used to goto pennsylvania and smoke and goto bars but then they made it illegal too. Its country wide. Im not entirely sure what a tobacconist even is....

same reason i dont goto a sushi place and demand pizza... i have basic knowledge that tells me different establishments serve different purposes. So if i want to eat pizza i dont goto a sushi restaurant, and if im looking for a health and wellness program i dont goto a bar. For me this makes sense, for most... maybe not. We should legally make bars serve only brown rice and skinless chicken breast for food and only blended wheat grass as beverages... sounds good to me, amirite?

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

i think we should just kill anyone who does anything i dont like. it would make the perfect world for me, as for everyone else ****um, why would their opinions and life choices matter in my perfect world.

surrealnumber5

what the hell is a no work utopia? what country does that happen in?

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"]If you kill them, how can you tax them? Estate tax maybe?

SoBaus

what the hell is a no work utopia? what country does that happen in?

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"]If you kill them, how can you tax them? Estate tax maybe?

SoBaus

what the hell is a no work utopia? what country does that happen in?

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]I imagine restaurants are subject to different regulations on open flames and fumes than typical businesses, in the same way that most states make smoking exemptions for places such as tobacconists, where smoking is pretty much the sole purpose of the establishment. Which state are we talking about, btw?jimmyjammer69

all states, but i live in connecticut. I used to goto pennsylvania and smoke and goto bars but then they made it illegal too. Its country wide. Im not entirely sure what a tobacconist even is....

same reason i dont goto a sushi place and demand pizza... i have basic knowledge that tells me different establishments serve different purposes. So if i want to eat pizza i dont goto a sushi restaurant, and if im looking for a health and wellness program i dont goto a bar. For me this makes sense, for most... maybe not. We should legally make bars serve only brown rice and skinless chicken breast for food and only blended wheat grass as beverages... sounds good to me, amirite?

the alternative, is that the owner sets regulations.

If you dont like cigarette smoke, heres an idea.... dont apply for a job at an establishment that permits smoking. Alot of bars have gone under due to smoking restrictions. Im guessing a bankrupt bar owner would give you a less positive review as his home is being forclosed on.

There were non smoking establishments waaaay before the smoking ban.

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] what makes you think my "perfect world" is any more reasonable than the rest of the BS free stuff no work utopias people here like to espouse?

jimmyjammer69

what the hell is a no work utopia? what country does that happen in?

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] what makes you think my "perfect world" is any more reasonable than the rest of the BS free stuff no work utopias people here like to espouse?

surrealnumber5

what the hell is a no work utopia? what country does that happen in?

its serious, which country never works but somehow maintains a positive gdp?

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="SoBaus"]

what the hell is a no work utopia? what country does that happen in?

surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

what the hell is a no work utopia? what country does that happen in?

SoBaus

its serious, which country never works but somehow maintains a positive gdp?

all smoke is hot, smoke is the result of combustion. Whether its a burning cigarette or a burning log on the fireplace... smoke goes up. Otherwise, it wouldnt be smoke.SoBaus

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]It doesn't; he's just trying to put anyone with views he disagrees in under one umbrella, whereas stuff like the utopia of a nation founded on nothing but personal responsibility and belief in the same rights that suit him are to be considered the patriotic duty of every American.jimmyjammer69

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]all smoke is hot, smoke is the result of combustion. Whether its a burning cigarette or a burning log on the fireplace... smoke goes up. Otherwise, it wouldnt be smoke.Overlord93

well i dont know apparently you can inhale a gasoline soaked log for days on end, but someone smoking a cigarette triggers your asthma.

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] i would give you $100 vie paypal if you can find a single post of mine where i express sentiments of "patriotic duty"

surrealnumber5

I guess it comes down to one person's right to smoke in public and othe people's right to not be subjected to cigarette smoke. There are some public ordinances against creating disturbances. I can't take an air horn and blast it at every person I see in public. That ordinace infringes on my right to use air horns as I see fit, but you can see why it exists. The trouble is that we don't live in a vacuum. I'm sure you can make a convincing argument for either side based on rights, but I just tend to land on the side of the nonsmokers. I guess it's because I don't smoke and don't like to be around it. I'm sure if I was a smoker than I'd feel that my freedom to smoke is more important than someone else's freedom to not have smoke in their face.

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] i would give you $100 vie paypal if you can find a single post of mine where i express sentiments of "patriotic duty"

surrealnumber5

personal freedoms and economic issues have nothing in common. Tax rates apply to every citizen.... crap like smoking and gun rights are targeted bigotry.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]I'm making exactly that point, that you consistently try to lump everyone together under your stereotype of the average American liberal on pretty much every issue; I'm just doing the same for an outlandish idea of conservatism.jimmyjammer69

I guess it comes down to one person's right to smoke in public and othe people's right to not be subjected to cigarette smoke. There are some public ordinances against creating disturbances. I can't take an air horn and blast it at every person I see in public. That ordinace infringes on my right to use air horns as I see fit, but you can see why it exists. The trouble is that we don't live in a vacuum. I'm sure you can make a convincing argument for either side based on rights, but I just tend to land on the side of the nonsmokers. I guess it's because I don't smoke and don't like to be around it. I'm sure if I was a smoker than I'd feel that my freedom to smoke is more important than someone else's freedom to not have smoke in their face.

sonicare

EDIT: you can move 5 feet and completely avoid a smoker, can you move 5 feet and completely avoid an air horn? Does this seem like a good comparison?

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] only i dont do that, the only time i equate anything to retardedly liberal stance is when topic X is one that would dictate what most would see as a choice, asking the government to step in and tell the whole of society to change their behavior because an extremely small interest group feels they have been wronged by a choice someone else made in their completely separate life that has nothing to do with the group call for the action. unless the topic is abortion, then i blame "bible thumpers." any way since you know me so well and are not trying to paint aentierlyinaccurate picture of me, i will wait for you to find a post of mine out side of this thread talking about "patriotic duty".

surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]Fine, since you seem intent on missing the point, I'll wait for you to post something from this thread where someone mentioned expecting to live in a work-free utopia.

jimmyjammer69

whos the stupid? if im the stupid im sure i know more about tobacco stastistics and studies than probably everyone else here. Or are you eluding to the fact that he made a completely unrelated topic into something with a conservative slant?

[QUOTE="Overlord93"]

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]all smoke is hot, smoke is the result of combustion. Whether its a burning cigarette or a burning log on the fireplace... smoke goes up. Otherwise, it wouldnt be smoke.SoBaus

well i dont know apparently you can inhale a gasoline soaked log for days on end, but someone smoking a cigarette triggers your asthma.

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] the point is you asserted i post anything along the lines of "patriotic duty" and i offered you $100 to find anywhere within my posting history where i mention such a thing. you are not trying to cop out by trying to make me back a claim i never made, that being that someone in this thread that is about ordinance espoused communistic theores about governance, again i never made such a claim, i did state that such forms of governance are backed here at gamespot with much fever, but not in this thread. so are you going to continue to try to paint me what i am not or are you going to present evidence and win your $100 prize?

SoBaus

whos the stupid? if im the stupid im sure i know more about tobacco stastistics and studies than probably everyone else here. Or are you eluding to the fact that he made a completely unrelated topic into something with a conservative slant?

Yes, that was basically what I was trying to say - that the purpose of all these political stereotypes is to assist the stupid to make up their minds based on totally unrelated opinions.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]Fine, since you seem intent on missing the point, I'll wait for you to post something from this thread where someone mentioned expecting to live in a work-free utopia.

jimmyjammer69

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] the point is you asserted i post anything along the lines of "patriotic duty" and i offered you $100 to find anywhere within my posting history where i mention such a thing. you are not trying to cop out by trying to make me back a claim i never made, that being that someone in this thread that is about ordinance espoused communistic theores about governance, again i never made such a claim, i did state that such forms of governance are backed here at gamespot with much fever, but not in this thread. so are you going to continue to try to paint me what i am not or are you going to present evidence and win your $100 prize?

surrealnumber5

I have a GREAT idead. We should tax them and give all the money to lasseeb on Gamespot.

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

I guess it comes down to one person's right to smoke in public and othe people's right to not be subjected to cigarette smoke. There are some public ordinances against creating disturbances. I can't take an air horn and blast it at every person I see in public. That ordinace infringes on my right to use air horns as I see fit, but you can see why it exists. The trouble is that we don't live in a vacuum. I'm sure you can make a convincing argument for either side based on rights, but I just tend to land on the side of the nonsmokers. I guess it's because I don't smoke and don't like to be around it. I'm sure if I was a smoker than I'd feel that my freedom to smoke is more important than someone else's freedom to not have smoke in their face.

EDIT: you can move 5 feet and completely avoid a smoker, can you move 5 feet and completely avoid an air horn? Does this seem like a good comparison?

businesses should be able to ban it. and maybe certain government buildings as well. but universally? I think that's unfair.

I think only cool people should be allowed to smoke in public, since it makes them even cooler and makes us feel better about our lives. For example, Tyler Durden, Solid Snake, John Marston etc. People like those guys are allowed to smoke, because they are cool.

Of course I don't smoke so either way it doesn't affect me, but I do think that if marijuana is illegal and alcohol is less legal, then smoking should be a bit stricter considering the higher health risks (though alcohol is incredibly dangerous too, don't get me wrong).

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

I guess it comes down to one person's right to smoke in public and othe people's right to not be subjected to cigarette smoke. There are some public ordinances against creating disturbances. I can't take an air horn and blast it at every person I see in public. That ordinace infringes on my right to use air horns as I see fit, but you can see why it exists. The trouble is that we don't live in a vacuum. I'm sure you can make a convincing argument for either side based on rights, but I just tend to land on the side of the nonsmokers. I guess it's because I don't smoke and don't like to be around it. I'm sure if I was a smoker than I'd feel that my freedom to smoke is more important than someone else's freedom to not have smoke in their face.

sonicare

EDIT: you can move 5 feet and completely avoid a smoker, can you move 5 feet and completely avoid an air horn? Does this seem like a good comparison?

i was merely escalating your escalation. Back when i played paintball, we used airhorns to signal the start of the game.... lighting a cigarette would not have worked.

But you think it would.... because you are unbiased an reasonable.

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="SoBaus"] exactly and saying i cant go around stabbing people in the face with a knife is infringing on my right to stab people in the face with a knife. Good logical and equitable positions happening here. Oh my! this slope is slippery.

EDIT: you can move 5 feet and completely avoid a smoker, can you move 5 feet and completely avoid an air horn? Does this seem like a good comparison?

i was merely escalating your escalation. Back when i played paintball, we used airhorns to signal the start of the game.... lighting a cigarette would not have worked.

But you think it would.... because you are unbiased an reasonable.

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"] Actually, 5 feet does not remove you from the effects of cigarette smoke. My comparison is equitable. Loud noise is considered a noxious stimulus. So is cigarette smoke. Both are irritants. Stabbing someone with a knife is not an equivalent position. You're the one making the bizarre comparisons, not me. Sorry.sonicare

i was merely escalating your escalation. Back when i played paintball, we used airhorns to signal the start of the game.... lighting a cigarette would not have worked.

But you think it would.... because you are unbiased an reasonable.

In a public setting a crying baby is harder to get away from than a smoker. Lets make babies illegal, amirite? A smoker is the easiest of all public nuisances to avoid.

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="SoBaus"]

i was merely escalating your escalation. Back when i played paintball, we used airhorns to signal the start of the game.... lighting a cigarette would not have worked.

But you think it would.... because you are unbiased an reasonable.

In a public setting a crying baby is harder to get away from than a smoker. Lets make babies illegal, amirite? A smoker is the easiest of all public nuisances to avoid.

[QUOTE="CoolSkAGuy"]Why don't they just shoot smokers on the spot Nibroc420

Agreed.

Second hand smoke = Cancer
Cancer = severe injury or death.

Smokers should be charged with Assault with a deadly weapon, or attemped murder.

You have to be around alot of second hand smoke though. Not half as bad as smoking yourself. Obviously dont try to stay in smoking areas long but still. I know alot of elderly people that smoke and are still alive. Not that you should smoke or anything.

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"] I was making a statement about things that interfere with people's ability to enjoy public settings. Loid noises, noxious smoke, etc. If you want to start a discussion about the best way to signal the start to a paintball game, we could try that in a different thread.sonicare

In a public setting a crying baby is harder to get away from than a smoker. Lets make babies illegal, amirite? A smoker is the easiest of all public nuisances to avoid.

99% of smokers are more respectful than people could imagine, its the non smokers that are indignant and intolerant d-bags.

Smokers try to keep to themselves, similiar to someone listening to their ipod with earbuds, but these narcissistic self-righteous a-holes always comes up and say crap like "you know thats bad for your health" or pretend to cough... and you just want to crush their skull.... so badly. But unlike them us smokers are actually decent people so we freaking apologize and try to move away from these d-bags.

99% of smokers are more respectful than people could imagine, its the non smokers that are indignant and intolerant d-bags.

Smokers try to keep to themselves, similiar to someone listening to their ipod with earbuds, but these narcissistic self-righteous a-holes always comes up and say crap like "you know thats bad for your health" or pretend to cough... and you just want to crush their skull.... so badly. But unlike them us smokers are actually decent people so we freaking apologize and try to move away from these d-bags.

SoBaus

Do people really do that? Like you can emediatly quit smoking. I Dont smoke but I have some family members who use tobaco products and they know they are bad. Many of them have tryed to stop but have failed, But they defenantly try to limit expsosure to people by smoking out side or away from people ETC...

Not if they're smoking pipes