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Yeah. I got that part. Where does WWII fit in to that?[QUOTE="BranKetra"]
[QUOTE="topsemag55"]
Nope, men would be stay-at-home-dads, working either part-time or full-time homemaker.
topsemag55
In both cases, men were gone from the workforce - one was a war, now it's doing the home bit.
Obviously, these are different situations. There was a world war going on and women were working in factories to produce military armaments. Basically, they had to. I don't think that's a good comparison.hah. good one :POf course they have more degrees, its usually hotter in the kitchen.*
*Joke, please don't kill me.
tenaka2
[QUOTE="redstorm72"]Arts > Science.Meh, many of the degree's women are getting are typical liberal art/ social science degrees, so it's really not that big a deal. Men still dominate the important fields (engineering, medicine, financial, etc).
SolidSnake35
LOL what? I'm an art student and I love it, but to get a degree in physics would be my dream. Science gets us somewhere unlike arts.
wow this thread is surprisingly full of facepalm.
Especially with the whole art vs science debate going on. Intelligent people know the answer to this question already.
Seems to me like people on here limit themselves to only have one perspective on things. Thats a clear weakness.
Those require talent... or in the case of the media industry a large marketing budget. A degree dosn't create talent it just gives you a certificate. You can have a degree in music and be able to identify all the technical qualities but the only part that really matters is the quality of music you create.I will conceed some points to you. Currently, the job market favors people with more technical backgrounds such as math and science. However, there is still good value in a liberal arts education - our societies need it for culture and such. Historians, musicians, artists, philosophers, etc.
sonicare
No reasonably intelligent person could make the statement that Arts > Science and be serious.clayronWhen talking about education, I think it is reasonable. Many people who take science degrees have nothing special to offer humanity. They just hide behind the little facts they learned and offer them to the job market, crying.. ooh pick me, pick me.. I can become your little drone. Psh. Anyone can be moulded for these kinds of purposes, including arts students.
[QUOTE="sonicare"]Those require talent... or in the case of the media industry a large marketing budget. A degree dosn't create talent it just gives you a certificate. You can have a degree in music and be able to identify all the technical qualities but the only part that really matters is the quality of music you create. You dont always need talent. There are many bad writers out there that sell tons of books. Look at the Twilight series.I will conceed some points to you. Currently, the job market favors people with more technical backgrounds such as math and science. However, there is still good value in a liberal arts education - our societies need it for culture and such. Historians, musicians, artists, philosophers, etc.
markop2003
[QUOTE="clayron"] No reasonably intelligent person could make the statement that Arts > Science and be serious.SolidSnake35When talking about education, I think it is reasonable. Many people who take science degrees have nothing special to offer humanity. They just hide behind the little facts they learned and offer them to the job market, crying.. ooh pick me, pick me.. I can become your little drone. Psh. Anyone can be moulded for these kinds of purposes, including arts students. Your right, doctors don't help people in the slightest.
[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="clayron"] No reasonably intelligent person could make the statement that Arts > Science and be serious.tenaka2When talking about education, I think it is reasonable. Many people who take science degrees have nothing special to offer humanity. They just hide behind the little facts they learned and offer them to the job market, crying.. ooh pick me, pick me.. I can become your little drone. Psh. Anyone can be moulded for these kinds of purposes, including arts students. Your right, doctors don't help people in the slightest. I said that, didn't I?
[QUOTE="clayron"] No reasonably intelligent person could make the statement that Arts > Science and be serious.SolidSnake35When talking about education, I think it is reasonable. Many people who take science degrees have nothing special to offer humanity. They just hide behind the little facts they learned and offer them to the job market, crying.. ooh pick me, pick me.. I can become your little drone. Psh. Anyone can be moulded for these kinds of purposes, including arts students. Are you saying that black holes and the theory of relativity would have been eventually found out, just because everyone was doing it? You might be right, but there are geniuses in many fields. If it weren't for them, we might still be waiting for CDs to come out.
[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="clayron"] No reasonably intelligent person could make the statement that Arts > Science and be serious.thegergWhen talking about education, I think it is reasonable. Many people who take science degrees have nothing special to offer humanity. They just hide behind the little facts they learned and offer them to the job market, crying.. ooh pick me, pick me.. I can become your little drone. Psh. Anyone can be moulded for these kinds of purposes, including arts students. It's not reasonable if the logic you use to justify your statement can be as easily said about arts students. Arts students typically don't claim to be superior.
[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="clayron"] No reasonably intelligent person could make the statement that Arts > Science and be serious.BranKetraWhen talking about education, I think it is reasonable. Many people who take science degrees have nothing special to offer humanity. They just hide behind the little facts they learned and offer them to the job market, crying.. ooh pick me, pick me.. I can become your little drone. Psh. Anyone can be moulded for these kinds of purposes, including arts students. Are you saying that black holes and the theory of relativity would have been eventually found out, just because everyone was doing it? You might be right, but there are geniuses in many fields. If it weren't for them, we might still be waiting for CDs to come out. Yes, there are. And the geniuses in science are the greatest of all geniuses. But I don't credit that to the "learning" of science, so to speak... I credit the person. Most people who study science are replaceable by those who study the arts. So having a science degree is not inherently better than having an arts degree.
[QUOTE="mems_1224"]good. that raises the chances that i get a girl who makes tons of money so i can stay home and be a house husbandFusionmix
And there, ladies and gents, is the reason we go out and get jobs: To avoid useless a-holes like you. This increases your desire to stay home and avoid evil b****es like us.
Win/win situation, especially the part where we kick you out ;)
yeah but when women were the stay at home moms we men were out working then would go out and spend hard earned money and would be with other women and spend money on them not you.[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="BranKetra"] Are you saying that black holes and the theory of relativity would have been eventually found out, just because everyone was doing it? You might be right, but there are geniuses in many fields. If it weren't for them, we might still be waiting for CDs to come out.thegergYes, there are. And the geniuses in science are the greatest of all geniuses. But I don't credit that to the "learning" of science, so to speak... I credit the person. Most people who study science are replaceable by those who study the arts. So having a science degree is not inherently better than having an arts degree. Most who study arts are replacable by those that study sciences. None of what you are saying supports your arts>sciences claim. You are right... but I give the edge to those that study the arts because they dared to study what they were interested in. Again, I don't doubt that some people love science but... I see too many people who choose their degrees because "it's just the thing to do".
[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="BranKetra"]I think I get it. It all comes down to what each person wants to do. Voluntarily armies are better, right?thegergYeah.. and I find it very frustrating when people will tsk at my degree despite having little to no interest in what they actually study. How many people really do that, though? A lot... especially international students, I have found. They think philosophy is funny... but they study something like finance and they can't tell me why they chose it or why anyone should care about such things.
[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="thegerg"] Most who study arts are replacable by those that study sciences. None of what you are saying supports your arts>sciences claim.thegergYou are right... but I give the edge to those that study the arts because they dared to study what they were interested in. Again, I don't doubt that some people love science but... I see too many people who choose their degrees because "it's just the thing to do". That doesn't support your claim either, it just demonstrates your prejudices. It does support my claim. Science is good and all, but a science degree is only as good as the person studying it. Maybe you should defend the opposite claim, that science is superior to arts.
this science vs art argument really needs to stop.
An person who claims to be intelligent would pick science
An person who claims to be creative would pick art
An wise person would take both. you cant divide human thoughtinto pieces and then claim one piece is more important then the other.
Science has done alot for mankind. But god knows how many of those theories and principles would actually be developed if it wasent for creative thinking.
It takes some imagination to think outside the box. Imagine if Einstein, Da Vinci, Nicola tesla or Archimedes thought the same as everyone else at their time, istead of comeing up with new ideas.
It does support my claim. Science is good and all, but a science degree is only as good as the person studying it. Maybe you should defend the opposite claim, that science is superior to arts.No, it doesn't support your claim that arts>science. An arts degree is only as gtood as the person studying it too, in no way does it make arts better than sciences.[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="thegerg"] That doesn't support your claim either, it just demonstrates your prejudices.thegerg
Why should I defend the claim that sciences are better than arts? It's not true. One of them is not better than the other. Suchclaims are ridiculous and ignorant.
Hmm. Well, I believe I started out by saying Arts > Science in response to Science > Arts... just to stoke the fire.It does support my claim. Science is good and all, but a science degree is only as good as the person studying it. Maybe you should defend the opposite claim, that science is superior to arts.No, it doesn't support your claim that arts>science. An arts degree is only as gtood as the person studying it too, in no way does it make arts better than sciences.[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="thegerg"] That doesn't support your claim either, it just demonstrates your prejudices.thegerg
Why should I defend the claim that sciences are better than arts? It's not true. One of them is not better than the other. Suchclaims are ridiculous and ignorant.
to SolidSnake35 defence, this only started because of some comment about science being more important then art
EDIT; im slow :P
Hmm. Well, I believe I started out by saying Arts > Science in response to Science > Arts... just to stoke the fire. Once agin, that doesn't support your claim either. Simply because someone else is as wrong as you doesn't make you right. I have learned never to make claims I cannot support again.[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="thegerg"]No, it doesn't support your claim that arts>science. An arts degree is only as gtood as the person studying it too, in no way does it make arts better than sciences.
Why should I defend the claim that sciences are better than arts? It's not true. One of them is not better than the other. Suchclaims are ridiculous and ignorant.
thegerg
[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] Yes, there are. And the geniuses in science are the greatest of all geniuses. But I don't credit that to the "learning" of science, so to speak... I credit the person. Most people who study science are replaceable by those who study the arts. So having a science degree is not inherently better than having an arts degree.SolidSnake35Most who study arts are replacable by those that study sciences. None of what you are saying supports your arts>sciences claim. You are right... but I give the edge to those that study the arts because they dared to study what they were interested in. Again, I don't doubt that some people love science but... I see too many people who choose their degrees because "it's just the thing to do". and i would give the edge to those that study science because they could actually cut it doing a science degree
[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"][QUOTE="thegerg"] Most who study arts are replacable by those that study sciences. None of what you are saying supports your arts>sciences claim.RichymisiakYou are right... but I give the edge to those that study the arts because they dared to study what they were interested in. Again, I don't doubt that some people love science but... I see too many people who choose their degrees because "it's just the thing to do". and i would give the edge to those that study science because they could actually cut it doing a science degree
What are you talking about? Getting an average science degree is in absolutely, not a single way, not even SLIGHTLY harder than getting an average arts degree, assuming you are interested in whatever you're studying.
Someone who loves movies, but studies biochemistry because he wants to be rich isn't going to have an easy time, just like someone who's a genius at math, but studies music because he wants to "be cool" isn't going to have an easy time either.
[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="SolidSnake35"] Yeah.. and I find it very frustrating when people will tsk at my degree despite having little to no interest in what they actually study.SolidSnake35How many people really do that, though? A lot... especially international students, I have found. They think philosophy is funny... but they study something like finance and they can't tell me why they chose it or why anyone should care about such things. What are you going to do with a philosophy degree though? It has little meaning aside from pretty decoration. Studying what you're interested in is great, but what practical use does a philosophy degree have, unless you plan to teach philosophy?
[QUOTE="DJjoey"][QUOTE="Richymisiak"] and i would give the edge to those that study science because they could actually cut it doing a science degreeRichymisiakWhat are you talking about? Taking a getting an average science degree is in absolutely, not a single way, not even SLIGHTLY harder than getting an average arts degree, assuming you are interested in whatever you're studying. Someone who loves movies, but studies biochemistry because he wants to be rich isn't going to have an easy time, just like someone who's a genius at math, but studies music because he wants to "be cool" isn't going to have an easy time either. i was combating a completely narrow minded and flwaed argument with an equally narrow mined and flawed one
But that is what SolidSnake35 was doing. If you guys keep combating "completely narrow minded and flawed arguments" with intentionally "equally narrow minded and flawed" ones, what do you expect to come out of this argument? I just don't understand this tactic.
i was combating a completely narrow minded and flwaed argument with an equally narrow mined and flawed one[QUOTE="Richymisiak"][QUOTE="DJjoey"] What are you talking about? Taking a getting an average science degree is in absolutely, not a single way, not even SLIGHTLY harder than getting an average arts degree, assuming you are interested in whatever you're studying. Someone who loves movies, but studies biochemistry because he wants to be rich isn't going to have an easy time, just like someone who's a genius at math, but studies music because he wants to "be cool" isn't going to have an easy time either.CammiTac
But that is what SolidSnake35 was doing. If you guys keep combating "completely narrow minded and flawed arguments" with intentionally "equally narrow minded and flawed" ones, what do you expect to come out of this argument? I just don't understand this tactic.
It's troll logic. Make the argument as simple and flawed until the other side forfeits from either anger, or not being able to combat such a simple and flawed argument.Please Log In to post.
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