Metal or Punk?

Metal sucks. So does Punk. I prefer all things Rock.generic_brand

:|You realize how stupid and contradictory that comment is?

Punk ROCK. Metal is a genre of rock.

[QUOTE="zh666"]

[QUOTE="crucifine"]
Death did not start death metal. It was mostly by two seperate bands who ended up with a similar formula, Possessed, and Cryptic Slaughter. There are a few other bands who aren't as well known, but these two were essentially the first. Death elaborated on Possessed's formula, and Carcass (and others) elaborated on Cryptic Slaughter's formula.

And Luca Turilli is just an Italian Herman Li. Speed != complexity.crucifine

Cryptic Slaughter's first demo (the most death metal-y stuff they did) was released in 85, which is a little late... their importance is mostly felt on Thrash, Grindcore and Crossover rather than Death anyways...

I would say Hellhammer was the first Death Metal band and Repulsion is probably the first full on grind band.. Cryptic Slaughter is more of a crossover band like D.R.I.... Siege, Deep Wound, and a bunch of others are very important to grind, but I would say Repulsion is the first...  

I'll consult my Windows Media Player Library for this one.

Punk: 6.7 hours, consisting of 9 albums from Green Day, Blink-182, and The Offspring

Metal: 27.5 hours, consisting of  27 albums from Death, Disturbed, Tool, Metallica, Pantera, Iron Maiden, In Flames, System of a Down, Dragonforce, and several others.

Besides, metal requires much more technical skill on your instrument than punk (though not always more musical talent). 

I'll consult my Windows Media Player Library for this one.

Punk: 6.7 hours, consisting of 9 albums from Green Day, Blink-182, and The Offspring

Metal: 27.5 hours, consisting of  27 albums from Death, Disturbed, Tool, Metallica, Pantera, Iron Maiden, In Flames, System of a Down, Dragonforce, and several others.

Besides, metal requires much more technical skill on your instrument than punk (though not always more musical talent). 

the_bi99man

Umm, Blink-182 and Green Day and the Offspring arn't really punk you know. Punk is the Misfits, Sex Pistols, The Clash and Buzzcocks. Well thats what my friend told me anyways.

[QUOTE="crucifine"][QUOTE="zh666"]

[QUOTE="crucifine"]
Death did not start death metal. It was mostly by two seperate bands who ended up with a similar formula, Possessed, and Cryptic Slaughter. There are a few other bands who aren't as well known, but these two were essentially the first. Death elaborated on Possessed's formula, and Carcass (and others) elaborated on Cryptic Slaughter's formula.

And Luca Turilli is just an Italian Herman Li. Speed != complexity.zh666

Cryptic Slaughter's first demo (the most death metal-y stuff they did) was released in 85, which is a little late... their importance is mostly felt on Thrash, Grindcore and Crossover rather than Death anyways...

 You seem to have been involved in that scene since it's culmination, which I haven't.  I'm just going on what I know, which for someone without a couple decades of exposure, is certainly not omnipotence.  Cryptic Slaughter is just the earliest band in my library to have a Grind tinge, and Possessed is the earliest in my library to have a Death tinge.

I would say Hellhammer was the first Death Metal band and Repulsion is probably the first full on grind band.. Cryptic Slaughter is more of a crossover band like D.R.I.... Siege, Deep Wound, and a bunch of others are very important to grind, but I would say Repulsion is the first...

[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

I'll consult my Windows Media Player Library for this one.

Punk: 6.7 hours, consisting of 9 albums from Green Day, Blink-182, and The Offspring

Metal: 27.5 hours, consisting of 27 albums from Death, Disturbed, Tool, Metallica, Pantera, Iron Maiden, In Flames, System of a Down, Dragonforce, and several others.

Besides, metal requires much more technical skill on your instrument than punk (though not always more musical talent).

tzar3

Umm, Blink-182 and Green Day and the Offspring arn't really punk you know. Punk is the Misfits, Sex Pistols, The Clash and Buzzcocks. Well thats what my friend told me anyways.

 
they're punk, atleast their early albums.. deal with it

Umm, Blink-182 and Green Day and the Offspring arn't really punk you know. Punk is the Misfits, Sex Pistols, The Clash and Buzzcocks. Well thats what my friend told me anyways.

tzar3

Eh. They show up as punk in my library. And if they're not, than I guess I don't punk at all, because that's about as punk as I can go before being thouroughly annoyed.

Anyways, just for the sake of contributing to the metal/metal sub-genre argument: I love metal. Just about all things metal (save for a little bit, like modern gore metal-cannibal corpse, for example, who are, imo, ranking in the worst bands ever to grace a stage). But it's all metal in my book. In my music library, there is metal. And that incorporates everything that could be called any kind of metal, from In Flames to Death, Shadows Fall to Avenged Sevenfold, Metallica to Tool, it's all metal in my book. I hate all the sub-genre labels because they make things way too confusing. And really, just about every metal band out there (every GOOD one) are so different from each other that they could all have their genre if you really want to be anal about it.

And since everyone seems to be referencing bands and songs, I'll reference a few from my library that I would say showcase metal at it's finest.

Tool - Right in Two - 10,000 Days (listen to it with "Intension" before, as an intro, for a freaking adventure)

Avenged Sevenfold - Sidewinder - City of Evil

Death - Flesh and the Power it Holds - Sound of Perserverance

In Flames - Man Made God - Colony

Iron Maiden - Fear of the Dark - Fear of the Dark

Metallica - Master of Puppets - Master of Puppets

Pantera - Mouth for War - Vulgar Display of Power

Shadows Fall - The Light that Blinds - The War Within

System of a Down - Chop Suey! - Toxicity

That list would have been a lot longer, but I chose not to list multiple songs from the same band. 

You seem to have been involved in that scene since it's culmination, which I haven't. I'm just going on what I know, which for someone without a couple decades of exposure, is certainly not omnipotence. Cryptic Slaughter is just the earliest band in my library to have a Grind tinge, and Possessed is the earliest in my library to have a Death tinge.crucifine

If you dig Cryptic Slaughter check out these bands:

Aggression: http://www.myspace.com/aggressionmetal (check out: By the Reaping Hook, blast beats from 86!)
Wehrmacht: http://www.myspace.com/unitedshoebrothers (same drummer as CS!)
Ludichrist: http://www.myspace.com/mostpeoplearedicks (another Crossover band that blasted like CS)
Soothsayer: http://www.myspace.com/troopsofhate (pretty good Crossover Thrash like the Accused)
Angkor Wat: http://www.myspace.com/angkorwatmusic (great Crossover with members of Nine Inch Nails and Skrew)
Dead Brain Cells: http://www.myspace.com/dbcdeadbraincells (underrated Canadian Crossover)
Deep Wound: http://www.myspace.com/deepwoundhc (important Hardcore band that probably influenced CS, features J. from Dinosaur Jr.)
Neon Christ: http://www.myspace.com/neonchristfartknocker (fast Hardcore punk with a few blasting moments, not the best song examples though)
Siege: http://www.myspace.com/siegehardcore (important early grind influence)

also check out the first two Corrosion of Conformity, The Accused, D.R.I., S.O.D. of course...

[QUOTE="crucifine"]You seem to have been involved in that scene since it's culmination, which I haven't. I'm just going on what I know, which for someone without a couple decades of exposure, is certainly not omnipotence. Cryptic Slaughter is just the earliest band in my library to have a Grind tinge, and Possessed is the earliest in my library to have a Death tinge.zh666

If you dig Cryptic Slaughter check out these bands:

Aggression: http://www.myspace.com/aggressionmetal (check out: By the Reaping Hook, blast beats from 86!)
Wehrmacht: http://www.myspace.com/unitedshoebrothers (same drummer as CS!)
Ludichrist: http://www.myspace.com/mostpeoplearedicks (another Crossover band that blasted like CS)
Soothsayer: http://www.myspace.com/troopsofhate (pretty good Crossover Thrash like the Accused)
Angkor Wat: http://www.myspace.com/angkorwatmusic (great Crossover with members of Nine Inch Nails and Skrew)
Dead Brain Cells: http://www.myspace.com/dbcdeadbraincells (underrated Canadian Crossover)
Deep Wound: http://www.myspace.com/deepwoundhc (important Hardcore band that probably influenced CS, features J. from Dinosaur Jr.)
Neon Christ: http://www.myspace.com/neonchristfartknocker (fast Hardcore punk with a few blasting moments, not the best song examples though)
Siege: http://www.myspace.com/siegehardcore (important early grind influence)

also check out the first two Corrosion of Conformity, The Accused, D.R.I., S.O.D. of course...

thanks will do.  bookmarked this page so i don't forget it. 

[QUOTE="generic_brand"]Metal sucks. So does Punk. I prefer all things Rock.MrPenguinKing

:|You realize how stupid and contradictory that comment is?

Punk ROCK. Metal is a genre of rock.

yeah, i just noticed that. I was leaving in a hurry and wanted to get my level up a little bit before I left to go somewhere.

I prefer everything mainstream rock. No loud screaming crap, no emo, no punk. Just good stuff like Led Zepplin, AC-DC, and Aerosmith.

[QUOTE="MrPenguinKing"]

[QUOTE="generic_brand"]Metal sucks. So does Punk. I prefer all things Rock.generic_brand

:|You realize how stupid and contradictory that comment is?

Punk ROCK. Metal is a genre of rock.

yeah, i just noticed that. I was leaving in a hurry and wanted to get my level up a little bit before I left to go somewhere.

I prefer everything mainstream rock. No loud screaming crap, no emo, no punk. Just good stuff like Led Zepplin, AC-DC, and Aerosmith.

Aerosmith has screaming... 

[QUOTE="generic_brand"][QUOTE="MrPenguinKing"]

[QUOTE="generic_brand"]Metal sucks. So does Punk. I prefer all things Rock.blackslim3000

:|You realize how stupid and contradictory that comment is?

Punk ROCK. Metal is a genre of rock.

yeah, i just noticed that. I was leaving in a hurry and wanted to get my level up a little bit before I left to go somewhere.

I prefer everything mainstream rock. No loud screaming crap, no emo, no punk. Just good stuff like Led Zepplin, AC-DC, and Aerosmith.

Aerosmith has screaming...

yes, and so does a lot of mainstream rock. Metal has way more though. Screaming is not music. Screaming is.... well.... screaming.

[QUOTE="blackslim3000"][QUOTE="generic_brand"][QUOTE="MrPenguinKing"]

[QUOTE="generic_brand"]Metal sucks. So does Punk. I prefer all things Rock.generic_brand

:|You realize how stupid and contradictory that comment is?

Punk ROCK. Metal is a genre of rock.

yeah, i just noticed that. I was leaving in a hurry and wanted to get my level up a little bit before I left to go somewhere.

I prefer everything mainstream rock. No loud screaming crap, no emo, no punk. Just good stuff like Led Zepplin, AC-DC, and Aerosmith.

Aerosmith has screaming...

yes, and so does a lot of mainstream rock. Metal has way more though. Screaming is not music. Screaming is.... well.... screaming.

Ok, but not all punk has screaming, neither is it emo. I'm assuming that by punk you're thinking about mainstream punk bands, because there are a lot of other non-mainstream bands that are great 

[QUOTE="blackslim3000"][QUOTE="generic_brand"][QUOTE="MrPenguinKing"]

[QUOTE="generic_brand"]Metal sucks. So does Punk. I prefer all things Rock.generic_brand

:|You realize how stupid and contradictory that comment is?

Punk ROCK. Metal is a genre of rock.

yeah, i just noticed that. I was leaving in a hurry and wanted to get my level up a little bit before I left to go somewhere.

I prefer everything mainstream rock. No loud screaming crap, no emo, no punk. Just good stuff like Led Zepplin, AC-DC, and Aerosmith.

Aerosmith has screaming...

yes, and so does a lot of mainstream rock. Metal has way more though. Screaming is not music. Screaming is.... well.... screaming.

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

Yeah, not all sub-genres deserve their existence (Funeral metal WTF) but those ones I gave examples of all deserve their sub-genre status.

Berzz

Why shouldn't it deserve existence? Wait, have you ever heard any Funeral Doom Metal before in the first place?

I just don't see the point in separating it from doom metal. I really don't see the difference..... 

Metal

Especially power metal and melodeath

[QUOTE="generic_brand"][QUOTE="blackslim3000"][QUOTE="generic_brand"][QUOTE="MrPenguinKing"]

[QUOTE="generic_brand"]Metal sucks. So does Punk. I prefer all things Rock.needled24-7

:|You realize how stupid and contradictory that comment is?

Punk ROCK. Metal is a genre of rock.

yeah, i just noticed that. I was leaving in a hurry and wanted to get my level up a little bit before I left to go somewhere.

I prefer everything mainstream rock. No loud screaming crap, no emo, no punk. Just good stuff like Led Zepplin, AC-DC, and Aerosmith.

Aerosmith has screaming...

yes, and so does a lot of mainstream rock. Metal has way more though. Screaming is not music. Screaming is.... well.... screaming.

[QUOTE="needled24-7"][QUOTE="generic_brand"][QUOTE="blackslim3000"][QUOTE="generic_brand"][QUOTE="MrPenguinKing"]

[QUOTE="generic_brand"]Metal sucks. So does Punk. I prefer all things Rock.generic_brand

:|You realize how stupid and contradictory that comment is?

Punk ROCK. Metal is a genre of rock.

yeah, i just noticed that. I was leaving in a hurry and wanted to get my level up a little bit before I left to go somewhere.

I prefer everything mainstream rock. No loud screaming crap, no emo, no punk. Just good stuff like Led Zepplin, AC-DC, and Aerosmith.

Aerosmith has screaming...

yes, and so does a lot of mainstream rock. Metal has way more though. Screaming is not music. Screaming is.... well.... screaming.

well, you should't be criticizing something you obviously know little of 

I don't like Punk so I have to say Metal...:Pdouble_decker

its hard for me because i like bolth of them a lot like linkin park and all other metal bands they bolth are goood so its hard for me to tellXvX_Fear_XvX

[QUOTE="XvX_Fear_XvX"]its hard for me because i like bolth of them a lot like linkin park and all other metal bands they bolth are goood so its hard for me to tellslayer3039

It's Nu metal, therefore it is metal 

[QUOTE="slayer3039"][QUOTE="XvX_Fear_XvX"]its hard for me because i like bolth of them a lot like linkin park and all other metal bands they bolth are goood so its hard for me to tellblackslim3000

It's Nu metal, therefore it is metal 

[QUOTE="blackslim3000"]

[QUOTE="slayer3039"][QUOTE="XvX_Fear_XvX"]its hard for me because i like bolth of them a lot like linkin park and all other metal bands they bolth are goood so its hard for me to tellslayer3039

It's Nu metal, therefore it is metal

it's a subgenre of metal whether you like the band or not...

Just like simple plan, no matter how much I dislike the band, is pop/punk, which is a subgenre of punk.