Metal or Punk?

[QUOTE="CHAOSWEAV3R"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="CHAOSWEAV3R"] You're opinion.LJS9502_basic

No...it's the foundation of the music. That is not opinion.:roll:

FYI...I'm not an opinion. I think you meant the possessive your.;)

Whatever indeed....it's not my fault you don't understand what you're listening to dude.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="CHAOSWEAV3R"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="CHAOSWEAV3R"] You're opinion.CHAOSWEAV3R

No...it's the foundation of the music. That is not opinion.:roll:

FYI...I'm not an opinion. I think you meant the possessive your.;)

Whatever indeed....it's not my fault you don't understand what you're listening to dude.

I laugh at the people saying metal lacks diversity and skill and is lousy music. It really is one of the dumbest things I have heard.

Here is some stuff you all need to check out:

Opeth-Bleak

In Flames-Dead Alone

Megadeth-Hangar 18

Killswitch Engage-The End of Heartache  

Chimaira-Ressurection

The Dillinger Escape Plan-Sunshine the Werewolf

Daylight Dies-Lies That Bind  

Drowning Pool-Tear Away  

I laugh at the people saying metal lacks diversity and skill and is lousy music. It really is one of the dumbest things I have heard.

Here is some stuff you all need to check out:

Opeth-Bleak

In Flames-Dead Alone

Megadeth-Hangar 18

Killswitch Engage-The End of Heartache

Chimaira-Ressurection

The Dillinger Escape Plan-Sunshine the Werewolf

Daylight Dies-Lies That Bind

Drowning Pool-Tear Away

LostProphetFLCL

Punk is still better 

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

I laugh at the people saying metal lacks diversity and skill and is lousy music. It really is one of the dumbest things I have heard.

Here is some stuff you all need to check out:

Opeth-Bleak

In Flames-Dead Alone

Megadeth-Hangar 18

Killswitch Engage-The End of Heartache

Chimaira-Ressurection

The Dillinger Escape Plan-Sunshine the Werewolf

Daylight Dies-Lies That Bind

Drowning Pool-Tear Away

blackslim3000

Punk is still better

In your opinion. 

I laugh at the people saying metal lacks diversity and skill and is lousy music. It really is one of the dumbest things I have heard.

Here is some stuff you all need to check out:

Opeth-Bleak

In Flames-Dead Alone

Megadeth-Hangar 18

Killswitch Engage-The End of Heartache  

Chimaira-Ressurection

The Dillinger Escape Plan-Sunshine the Werewolf

Daylight Dies-Lies That Bind  

Drowning Pool-Tear Away  

LostProphetFLCL

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

I laugh at the people saying metal lacks diversity and skill and is lousy music. It really is one of the dumbest things I have heard.

Here is some stuff you all need to check out:

Opeth-Bleak

In Flames-Dead Alone

Megadeth-Hangar 18

Killswitch Engage-The End of Heartache

Chimaira-Ressurection

The Dillinger Escape Plan-Sunshine the Werewolf

Daylight Dies-Lies That Bind

Drowning Pool-Tear Away

EboyLOL

Then I must say you have absolutely no knowlege in music then, as there are 7 different subgenres in there, granted two of the subgenres are very similar.

Then I must say you have absolutely no knowlege in music then, as there are 7 different subgenres in there, granted two of the subgenres are very similar.

LostProphetFLCL

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

Then I must say you have absolutely no knowlege in music then, as there are 7 different subgenres in there, granted two of the subgenres are very similar.

EboyLOL

To listen to 7 different subgenres of music and then say they sound like they were all done by the same band, except for one song, is a sign of a lack of knowlege in music.

Yeah, not all sub-genres deserve their existence (Funeral metal WTF) but those ones I gave examples of all deserve their sub-genre status.

Try listening again and you will notice how different they are, albeit the death and melodeath ones are similar.

[QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

Then I must say you have absolutely no knowlege in music then, as there are 7 different subgenres in there, granted two of the subgenres are very similar.

LostProphetFLCL

To listen to 7 different subgenres of music and then say they sound like they were all done by the same band, except for one song, is a sign of a lack of knowlege in music.

Yeah, not all sub-genres deserve their existence (Funeral metal WTF) but those ones I gave examples of all deserve their sub-genre status.

Try listening again and you will notice how different they are, albeit the death and melodeath ones are similar.

The only differences I've noticed in all the different genres of metal are the vocals. Other than that, a lot of it sounds the same 

To listen to 7 different subgenres of music and then say they sound like they were all done by the same band, except for one song, is a sign of a lack of knowlege in music.

Yeah, not all sub-genres deserve their existence (Funeral metal WTF) but those ones I gave examples of all deserve their sub-genre status.

Try listening again and you will notice how different they are, albeit the death and melodeath ones are similar.

LostProphetFLCL

The only differences I've noticed in all the different genres of metal are the vocals. Other than that, a lot of it sounds the same blackslim3000

Wasn't the original question 'what do you like more?'  Who the hell brought up skill level and variety?  And again, the metalheads disappoint me.  They pick horrible examples to showcase their points, and bring up the same point over and over again.  Let it die, you're not always right, you can't convince everybody. 


I may have picked metal (only because I've found more metal bands that I like than punk bands that I like), but I'm siding with LSJ and theEraser on this.  Your views of music are cyclopean, and supposed knowledge of 'skill it takes to play this or that' is lacking.  I'm fairly positive that the music major isn't very far along, if he thinks Dragonforce is the epitome of complex musical theory.

Some people, like LSJ, simply do not enjoy harsh music.  Music is like philosophy, it's all subjective.  Nothing is better than anything else as a rule, because then there wouldn't be any point to making something new or listening to something that isn't the best.

And BTW, LSJ, Robert Smith is working with Ashlee Simpson on her next album.  He's crossed over!  :P 

Some people, like LSJ, simply do not enjoy harsh music.  Music is like philosophy, it's all subjective.  Nothing is better than anything else as a rule, because then there wouldn't be any point to making something new or listening to something that isn't the best.

 

And BTW, LSJ, Robert Smith is working with Ashlee Simpson on her next album.  He's crossed over!  :P 

crucifine

Ah....I didn't say one can't enjoy metal....I said basically the subgenres are very similiar.  I did use to listen to "harsh" music..I've moved on.  And that is a rumor that her dad started....so far, according to the band's website...it hasn't been confirmed and I've seen posts from fans  yuck...that say he denied it.  So we shall see.

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]To listen to 7 different subgenres of music and then say they sound like they were all done by the same band, except for one song, is a sign of a lack of knowlege in music.

Yeah, not all sub-genres deserve their existence (Funeral metal WTF) but those ones I gave examples of all deserve their sub-genre status.

Try listening again and you will notice how different they are, albeit the death and melodeath ones are similar.

EboyLOL

I guess that is possible. I have listened to lots of metal so it is failry easy for me to point out the differences between the genres when I listen.

And LJ, I normally am not so uptight about labels, but people in the thread were saying metal lacked diversity, which couldn't be farther from the truth.

In all honesty, even with personal bias aside, metal is probably the most diverse of the popular genres of music.

Believe me, there are at least a few more relevant sub-genres that I didn't bother to get into. The one that I didn't mention that I actually enjoy is industrial metal, which includes bands like Static-X and Fear Factory.

[QUOTE="crucifine"] Some people, like LSJ, simply do not enjoy harsh music. Music is like philosophy, it's all subjective. Nothing is better than anything else as a rule, because then there wouldn't be any point to making something new or listening to something that isn't the best.

 

And BTW, LSJ, Robert Smith is working with Ashlee Simpson on her next album. He's crossed over! :P

LJS9502_basic

Ah....I didn't say one can't enjoy metal....I said basically the subgenres are very similiar. I did use to listen to "harsh" music..I've moved on. And that is a rumor that her dad started....so far, according to the band's website...it hasn't been confirmed and I've seen posts from fans yuck...that say he denied it. So we shall see.

No, but there are plenty of people who simply do not want to listen to grunts, screams, yells, double bass drums, heavily distorted guitars, and orchestrated cheesery. 

What would happen if it were true, though???  Would Ashlee dye her hair black again and get back her old nose and lips?  

And LJ, I normally am not so uptight about labels, but people in the thread were saying metal lacked diversity, which couldn't be farther from the truth.

In all honesty, even with personal bias aside, metal is probably the most diverse of the popular genres of music.

LostProphetFLCL

However, most of those genres are simply offshoots of each other.  Death metal is actually an offshoot of punk, as is grind (Cryptic Slaughter).  Metalcore, deathcore, grindcore, etc., are all drawing off of hardcore, which also originated in punk.  Black metal is a blend of shock rock and hair metal (Alice Cooper and Venom).  Viking and folk metal draw from melodeath, which draws from death.  Essentially, all of it goes back to hair metal, punk, and hardcore.

metal will always be superior to punk.skullkrusher13

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

And LJ, I normally am not so uptight about labels, but people in the thread were saying metal lacked diversity, which couldn't be farther from the truth.

In all honesty, even with personal bias aside, metal is probably the most diverse of the popular genres of music.

crucifine

However, most of those genres are simply offshoots of each other.  Death metal is actually an offshoot of punk, as is grind (Cryptic Slaughter).  Metalcore, deathcore, grindcore, etc., are all drawing off of hardcore, which also originated in punk.  Black metal is a blend of shock rock and hair metal (Alice Cooper and Venom).  Viking and folk metal draw from melodeath, which draws from death.  Essentially, all of it goes back to hair metal, punk, and hardcore.

death metal is quite possibly the most musically complex and intricate genres of contemporary music, to compare it to punk is laughable

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

And LJ, I normally am not so uptight about labels, but people in the thread were saying metal lacked diversity, which couldn't be farther from the truth.

In all honesty, even with personal bias aside, metal is probably the most diverse of the popular genres of music.

crucifine

However, most of those genres are simply offshoots of each other. Death metal is actually an offshoot of punk, as is grind (Cryptic Slaughter). Metalcore, deathcore, grindcore, etc., are all drawing off of hardcore, which also originated in punk. Black metal is a blend of shock rock and hair metal (Alice Cooper and Venom). Viking and folk metal draw from melodeath, which draws from death. Essentially, all of it goes back to hair metal, punk, and hardcore.

The thing is that the genres are all very unique in themselves and the majority of subgenres earn their labels.

I like death metal and melodeth, but I don't like black metal.

I can get into some doom metal, but I don't listen to funeral metal.

There is enough difference in the majority of the sub-genres to attract or put-off listeners. 

?! no

death metal is quite possibly the most musically complex and intricate genres of contemporary music, to compare it to punk is laughable

MronoC

The earliest death metal bands basically played hardcore punk music with blast beats and speed runs.  Cryptic Slaughter especially.  

[QUOTE="MronoC"]

?! no

death metal is quite possibly the most musically complex and intricate genres of contemporary music, to compare it to punk is laughable

crucifine

The earliest death metal bands basically played hardcore punk music with blast beats and speed runs.  Cryptic Slaughter especially.  

oh, well that's a bit different.  I thought you were referring to more simplistic punk rock like The Ramones or Sex Pistols, or stuff along the lines off modern pop-ish punk. nevermind then.

[QUOTE="crucifine"][QUOTE="MronoC"]

?! no

death metal is quite possibly the most musically complex and intricate genres of contemporary music, to compare it to punk is laughable

MronoC

The earliest death metal bands basically played hardcore punk music with blast beats and speed runs. Cryptic Slaughter especially.

oh, well that's a bit different. I thought you were referring to more simplistic punk rock like The Ramones or Sex Pistols, or stuff along the lines off modern pop-ish punk. nevermind then.

The Stooges were apparently very influential on early metal 

If anyone doubts the similarities between hardcore punk and metal, check out this vid:

Sick of It All-Take The Night off

This song is the missing link between hardcore punk and metal I swear to God. 

[QUOTE="MronoC"][QUOTE="crucifine"][QUOTE="MronoC"]

?! no

death metal is quite possibly the most musically complex and intricate genres of contemporary music, to compare it to punk is laughable

blackslim3000

The earliest death metal bands basically played hardcore punk music with blast beats and speed runs. Cryptic Slaughter especially.

oh, well that's a bit different. I thought you were referring to more simplistic punk rock like The Ramones or Sex Pistols, or stuff along the lines off modern pop-ish punk. nevermind then.

The Stooges were apparently very influential on early metal 

[QUOTE="blackslim3000"][QUOTE="MronoC"][QUOTE="crucifine"][QUOTE="MronoC"]

?! no

death metal is quite possibly the most musically complex and intricate genres of contemporary music, to compare it to punk is laughable

MronoC

The earliest death metal bands basically played hardcore punk music with blast beats and speed runs. Cryptic Slaughter especially.

oh, well that's a bit different. I thought you were referring to more simplistic punk rock like The Ramones or Sex Pistols, or stuff along the lines off modern pop-ish punk. nevermind then.

The Stooges were apparently very influential on early metal

True... and its proto-punk btw... 

If anyone doubts the similarities between hardcore punk and metal, check out this vid:

Sick of It All-Take The Night off

This song is the missing link between hardcore punk and metal I swear to God.

LostProphetFLCL

Yeah, not all sub-genres deserve their existence (Funeral metal WTF) but those ones I gave examples of all deserve their sub-genre status.

LostProphetFLCL

bullcrap

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AliDwNIvuVA Evoken
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBqspw3NcpE Skepticism

I may have picked metal (only because I've found more metal bands that I like than punk bands that I like), but I'm siding with LSJ and theEraser on this.  Your views of music are cyclopean, and supposed knowledge of 'skill it takes to play this or that' is lacking.  I'm fairly positive that the music major isn't very far along, if he thinks Dragonforce is the epitome of complex musical theory.

crucifine

If i wanted to showcase complexity more on the theory side of things, i would've been more likely to show the playing of somebody like Luca Turilli.

As for Death Metal, the genre was poioneered by the band Death, hence the name. Death essentially took thrash metal and took it to an extreme.makingmusic476

Hellhammer was on a compilation called "Death Metal"
Possessed wrote a song called "Death Metal"
Mantas (Death) released a demo called "Death by Metal"
and Onslaught had a song called "Death Metal" aswell...

giving Death all the credit for "Death Metal" is a bit overstretching it 

As for Death Metal, the genre was poioneered by the band Death, hence the name.  Death essentially took thrash metal and took it to an extreme.  Thrash was pioneered by bands such as Exodus, and was made popular by Metallica and Megadeth.  Exodus and the other early thrash bands developed their sound by combining the elements of punk rock with the heaviness, aggression, etc. of the New Wave of British Heavy Metal bands like Black Sabbath and, of course, taking it to the next level in terms of speed, etc.makingmusic476

I enjoy Metal more, but I have to respect Punk for pretty much inventing Metal in the first place.postulio14

Yeah, not all sub-genres deserve their existence (Funeral metal WTF) but those ones I gave examples of all deserve their sub-genre status.

LostProphetFLCL

Why shouldn't it deserve existence? Wait, have you ever heard any Funeral Doom Metal before in the first place?

Death did not start death metal. It was mostly by two seperate bands who ended up with a similar formula, Possessed, and Cryptic Slaughter. There are a few other bands who aren't as well known, but these two were essentially the first. Death elaborated on Possessed's formula, and Carcass (and others) elaborated on Cryptic Slaughter's formula.

And Luca Turilli is just an Italian Herman Li. Speed != complexity.crucifine

Cryptic Slaughter's first demo (the most death metal-y stuff they did) was released in 85, which is a little late... their importance is mostly felt on Thrash, Grindcore and Crossover rather than Death anyways...

[QUOTE="crucifine"]
Death did not start death metal. It was mostly by two seperate bands who ended up with a similar formula, Possessed, and Cryptic Slaughter. There are a few other bands who aren't as well known, but these two were essentially the first. Death elaborated on Possessed's formula, and Carcass (and others) elaborated on Cryptic Slaughter's formula.

And Luca Turilli is just an Italian Herman Li. Speed != complexity.zh666

Cryptic Slaughter's first demo (the most death metal-y stuff they did) was released in 85, which is a little late... their importance is mostly felt on Thrash, Grindcore and Crossover rather than Death anyways...

i like both genres, so i'll compare them this way...

metal at its best > punk at its best

crap metal > crap punk

metal wins.