Metal or Punk?

[QUOTE="makingmusic476"]

I mean, at least metal actually takes some skill to play. ;)

LJS9502_basic

So does other genres including punk....:|

[QUOTE="makingmusic476"]

[QUOTE="TheEraser"]Punk. I hate metal, with a passion. Punk was great (as of now... I'm not so sure...), and it has a greater influence over music than metal has.TheEraser

Is it not as influential....yes, but that doesn't make it bad in anyway.

I mean, at least metal actually takes some skill to play. ;)

I mean, unless you're into that mainstream punk. :wink:

I hate metal because I find it tedious, and, quite frankly, having a huge lack of variety. People have tried to reccomend me metal bands to hear, but I've never really been impressed, but seriously, punk can impress me.

Here's just a SMALL list of subgenres....

Power Metal (my favorite, bands like Iced Earth, Blind Guardian)
Thrash Metal (Metallica, Megadeth)
Death Metal (Shadows Fall)
Black Metal (Immortal)
Folk Metal (Finnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnntroll! lol)
New Wave of British Heavy Metal (Ozzy, Iron Maiden)
Nu-Metal (System of a Down, Distrubed)
Harcore/Metalcore (Hatebreed)

All of which can be broken into even further subgenres:

Symphonic Power Metal (Rhapsody, Nightwish)
Extreme Power Metal  (Children of Bodom, though they are sometimes also considered melodeath)
Groove MEtal (Pantera, White/Rob Zombie)
Melodeath (Soilwork, Dark Tranquility, short for Melodic Death Metal)
Viking Metal (Amon Amarth, Ensiferum)

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="makingmusic476"]

I mean, at least metal actually takes some skill to play. ;)

CHAOSWEAV3R

So does other genres including punk....:|

Metal doesn't really require that much.....play fast and know a few tricks....repeat ad nauseum.:|

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="makingmusic476"]

I mean, at least metal actually takes some skill to play. ;)

CHAOSWEAV3R

So does other genres including punk....:|

I can do that. It's not hard. If you can move your fingers fast on a computer keyboard, how is a wooden platform any different? I've been playing cello for five years, and those strings are thick as hell (not to mention, double bass strings are even bigger), so I can't say that the strings would get in my way. I'm used to that.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="makingmusic476"]

I mean, at least metal actually takes some skill to play. ;)

CHAOSWEAV3R

So does other genres including punk....:|

Haha, anybody who thinks any genre can even touch metal, just check out this DragonForce music video.

FOcus on the solo near the middle.

Make note of two things: 1. They cut two minutes off of the song, including the beginning of the solo, to make the song only 5 minutes and mtv worthy, and 2. the solo is INSANE! 

I can't wait until i can play that fast (slowly getting there).

[QUOTE="TheEraser"][QUOTE="makingmusic476"]

[QUOTE="TheEraser"]Punk. I hate metal, with a passion. Punk was great (as of now... I'm not so sure...), and it has a greater influence over music than metal has.makingmusic476

Is it not as influential....yes, but that doesn't make it bad in anyway.

I mean, at least metal actually takes some skill to play. ;)

I mean, unless you're into that mainstream punk. :wink:

I hate metal because I find it tedious, and, quite frankly, having a huge lack of variety. People have tried to reccomend me metal bands to hear, but I've never really been impressed, but seriously, punk can impress me.

Here's just a SMALL list of subgenres....

Power Metal (my favorite, bands like Iced Earth, Blind Guardian)
Thrash Metal (Metallica, Megadeth)
Death Metal (Shadows Fall)
Black Metal (Immortal)
Folk Metal (Finnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnntroll! lol)
New Wave of British Heavy Metal (Ozzy, Iron Maiden)
Nu-Metal (System of a Down, Distrubed)
Harcore/Metalcore (Hatebreed)

All of which can be broken into even further subgenres:

Symphonic Power Metal (Rhapsody, Nightwish)
Extreme Power Metal (Children of Bodom, though they are sometimes also considered melodeath)
Groove MEtal (Pantera, White/Rob Zombie)
Melodeath (Soilwork, Dark Tranquility, short for Melodic Death Metal)
Viking Metal (Amon Amarth, Ensiferum)

What I truly despise, though, is the fact that you guys have this weird idea that punk takes no skill.  

[QUOTE="CHAOSWEAV3R"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="makingmusic476"]

I mean, at least metal actually takes some skill to play. ;)

TheEraser

So does other genres including punk....:|

I can do that. It's not hard. If you can move your fingers fast on a computer keyboard, how is a wooden platform any different? I've been playing cello for five years, and those strings are thick as hell (not to mention, double bass strings are even bigger), so I can't say that the strings would get in my way. I'm used to that.

[QUOTE="CHAOSWEAV3R"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="makingmusic476"]

I mean, at least metal actually takes some skill to play. ;)

makingmusic476

So does other genres including punk....:|

Haha, anybody who thinks any genre can even touch metal, just check out DragonForce music video.

FOcus on the solo near the middle.

Make note of two things: 1. They cut two minutes off of the song, including the beginning of the solo, to make the song only 5 minutes and mtv worthy, and 2. the solo is INSANE!

I can't wait until i can play that fast (slowly getting there).

I used to be a metalhead like you. I wouldn't listen to anything else but metal. And I've argued with metalheads for my whole life. I could care less about the variety of metal, it's fact, that metal is never different. I understand it's not all grunting, but either way, it don't like it.

What I truly despise, though, is the fact that you guys have this weird idea that punk takes no skill.  

TheEraser

They probably haven't listened to anything but metal.  I used to listen to it as well....and found it...well boring after a time.  Thankfully, I've moved on to much more interesting music.

[QUOTE="makingmusic476"][QUOTE="TheEraser"][QUOTE="makingmusic476"]

[QUOTE="TheEraser"]Punk. I hate metal, with a passion. Punk was great (as of now... I'm not so sure...), and it has a greater influence over music than metal has.TheEraser

Is it not as influential....yes, but that doesn't make it bad in anyway.

I mean, at least metal actually takes some skill to play. ;)

I mean, unless you're into that mainstream punk. :wink:

I hate metal because I find it tedious, and, quite frankly, having a huge lack of variety. People have tried to reccomend me metal bands to hear, but I've never really been impressed, but seriously, punk can impress me.

Here's just a SMALL list of subgenres....

Power Metal (my favorite, bands like Iced Earth, Blind Guardian)
Thrash Metal (Metallica, Megadeth)
Death Metal (Shadows Fall)
Black Metal (Immortal)
Folk Metal (Finnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnntroll! lol)
New Wave of British Heavy Metal (Ozzy, Iron Maiden)
Nu-Metal (System of a Down, Distrubed)
Harcore/Metalcore (Hatebreed)

All of which can be broken into even further subgenres:

Symphonic Power Metal (Rhapsody, Nightwish)
Extreme Power Metal (Children of Bodom, though they are sometimes also considered melodeath)
Groove MEtal (Pantera, White/Rob Zombie)
Melodeath (Soilwork, Dark Tranquility, short for Melodic Death Metal)
Viking Metal (Amon Amarth, Ensiferum)

What I truly despise, though, is the fact that you guys have this weird idea that punk takes no skill.  

[QUOTE="TheEraser"][QUOTE="CHAOSWEAV3R"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="makingmusic476"]

I mean, at least metal actually takes some skill to play. ;)

makingmusic476

So does other genres including punk....:|

I can do that. It's not hard. If you can move your fingers fast on a computer keyboard, how is a wooden platform any different? I've been playing cello for five years, and those strings are thick as hell (not to mention, double bass strings are even bigger), so I can't say that the strings would get in my way. I'm used to that.

[QUOTE="TheEraser"]I used to be a metalhead like you. I wouldn't listen to anything else but metal. And I've argued with metalheads for my whole life. I could care less about the variety of metal, it's fact, that metal is never different. I understand it's not all grunting, but either way, it don't like it.

What I truly despise, though, is the fact that you guys have this weird idea that punk takes no skill.  

LJS9502_basic

They probably haven't listened to anything but metal.  I used to listen to it as well....and found it...well boring after a time.  Thankfully, I've moved on to much more interesting music.

[QUOTE="makingmusic476"][QUOTE="TheEraser"][QUOTE="CHAOSWEAV3R"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="makingmusic476"]

I mean, at least metal actually takes some skill to play. ;)

TheEraser

So does other genres including punk....:|

I can do that. It's not hard. If you can move your fingers fast on a computer keyboard, how is a wooden platform any different? I've been playing cello for five years, and those strings are thick as hell (not to mention, double bass strings are even bigger), so I can't say that the strings would get in my way. I'm used to that.

You can't just play random sh!t fast and call it good.  That's not metal.

[QUOTE="makingmusic476"][QUOTE="CHAOSWEAV3R"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="makingmusic476"]

I mean, at least metal actually takes some skill to play. ;)

TheEraser

So does other genres including punk....:|

Haha, anybody who thinks any genre can even touch metal, just check out DragonForce music video.

FOcus on the solo near the middle.

Make note of two things: 1. They cut two minutes off of the song, including the beginning of the solo, to make the song only 5 minutes and mtv worthy, and 2. the solo is INSANE!

I can't wait until i can play that fast (slowly getting there).

I've heard Nightwish....nothing special.LJS9502_basic

Here, check out this video on youtube with it.

[QUOTE="TheEraser"][QUOTE="makingmusic476"][QUOTE="TheEraser"][QUOTE="CHAOSWEAV3R"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="makingmusic476"]

I mean, at least metal actually takes some skill to play. ;)

makingmusic476

So does other genres including punk....:|

I can do that. It's not hard. If you can move your fingers fast on a computer keyboard, how is a wooden platform any different? I've been playing cello for five years, and those strings are thick as hell (not to mention, double bass strings are even bigger), so I can't say that the strings would get in my way. I'm used to that.

You can't just play random **** fast and call it good. That's not metal.

What I truly despise, though, is the fact that you guys have this weird idea that punk takes no skill.  TheEraser

Ghost Love Score=a metal song with an orchestra. I don't want a song like that. I'm talking about creatively combining the two, not just having a metal song with an orchestral background. It's also cheesy, I just can't imagine not trying to hurt myself listening to this music.TheEraser

[QUOTE="makingmusic476"][QUOTE="TheEraser"][QUOTE="makingmusic476"][QUOTE="TheEraser"][QUOTE="CHAOSWEAV3R"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="makingmusic476"]

I mean, at least metal actually takes some skill to play. ;)

TheEraser

So does other genres including punk....:|

I can do that. It's not hard. If you can move your fingers fast on a computer keyboard, how is a wooden platform any different? I've been playing cello for five years, and those strings are thick as hell (not to mention, double bass strings are even bigger), so I can't say that the strings would get in my way. I'm used to that.

You can't just play random **** fast and call it good. That's not metal.

 However, i do find it kind of funny how you mock metal for having no variety, but when the variety is pointed out for you, you say you just don't like the variety.  Just because you don't like it doesn't mean its not there.

Also, check out some Finntroll for some more variety.  Crazy folk/viking metal bad.  Great drinking songs imo, haha.

Okay, let me rephrase my complaint with metal...

Much as you like to not believe it dude.....stripped down to basics...all metal is similiar. LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Much as you like to not believe it dude.....stripped down to basics...all metal is similiar. CHAOSWEAV3R

His argument stated otherwise.....I corrected that.  Your point?  I'm not arguing other genres here.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Much as you like to not believe it dude.....stripped down to basics...all metal is similiar. CHAOSWEAV3R

[QUOTE="CHAOSWEAV3R"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Much as you like to not believe it dude.....stripped down to basics...all metal is similiar. LJS9502_basic

His argument stated otherwise.....I corrected that. Your point? I'm not arguing other genres here.

[QUOTE="CHAOSWEAV3R"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Much as you like to not believe it dude.....stripped down to basics...all metal is similiar. TheEraser

[QUOTE="TheEraser"]What I truly despise, though, is the fact that you guys have this weird idea that punk takes no skill. EboyLOL

The Clash were better than lots other punk bands, but they weren't that great. There have been several punk guitarists, like Wayne Kramer and Robert Quine for example, who were much more skilled than the clash

 Saying all metal is similar is like saying all punk is similar. To you, maybe. To me, there's tons of variations.CHAOSWEAV3R

You stated all genres were the same.....however, in the alternative genre there exists several subgenres that are not the same at all.  Metal is basically the same.  That's what makes it metal and not another genre.:roll:

[QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="TheEraser"]What I truly despise, though, is the fact that you guys have this weird idea that punk takes no skill. blackslim3000

The Clash were better than lots other punk bands, but they weren't that great. There have been several punk guitarists, like Wayne Kramer and Robert Quine for example, who were much more skilled than the clash

Don't diss The Clash.....

The Clash were better than lots other punk bands, but they weren't that great. There have been several punk guitarists, like Wayne Kramer and Robert Quine for example, who were much more skilled than the clash

blackslim3000

Which bands did those guitarists belong to (out of curiosity)?  And I don't listen to the Clash for their guitarwork exclusively... many of their songs are excellent compositions.

[QUOTE="blackslim3000"]

[QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="TheEraser"]What I truly despise, though, is the fact that you guys have this weird idea that punk takes no skill. LJS9502_basic

The Clash were better than lots other punk bands, but they weren't that great. There have been several punk guitarists, like Wayne Kramer and Robert Quine for example, who were much more skilled than the clash

Don't diss The Clash.....

I'm not. I'm just saying they weren't the most skilled punk band. They were still good band though 

[QUOTE="blackslim3000"]

The Clash were better than lots other punk bands, but they weren't that great. There have been several punk guitarists, like Wayne Kramer and Robert Quine for example, who were much more skilled than the clash

EboyLOL

Which bands did those guitarists belong to (out of curiosity)? And I don't listen to the Clash for their guitarwork exclusively... many of their songs are excellent compositions.

Wayne Kramer played for the Mc5, and Robert Quine for the Voidoids 

[QUOTE="CHAOSWEAV3R"] Saying all metal is similar is like saying all punk is similar. To you, maybe. To me, there's tons of variations.LJS9502_basic

You stated all genres were the same.....however, in the alternative genre there exists several subgenres that are not the same at all. Metal is basically the same. That's what makes it metal and not another genre.:roll:

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="CHAOSWEAV3R"] Saying all metal is similar is like saying all punk is similar. To you, maybe. To me, there's tons of variations.CHAOSWEAV3R

You stated all genres were the same.....however, in the alternative genre there exists several subgenres that are not the same at all. Metal is basically the same. That's what makes it metal and not another genre.:roll:

At the basic level.....it is.

[QUOTE="CHAOSWEAV3R"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="CHAOSWEAV3R"] Saying all metal is similar is like saying all punk is similar. To you, maybe. To me, there's tons of variations.LJS9502_basic

You stated all genres were the same.....however, in the alternative genre there exists several subgenres that are not the same at all. Metal is basically the same. That's what makes it metal and not another genre.:roll:

At the basic level.....it is.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="CHAOSWEAV3R"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="CHAOSWEAV3R"] Saying all metal is similar is like saying all punk is similar. To you, maybe. To me, there's tons of variations.CHAOSWEAV3R

You stated all genres were the same.....however, in the alternative genre there exists several subgenres that are not the same at all. Metal is basically the same. That's what makes it metal and not another genre.:roll:

At the basic level.....it is.

On a serious plane, though, metal is essentially a loud, concussion-inducing riff. No matter how many orchestras you can cram in there (because that's about how far outside the metal genre I've seen bands go. Fact. Not opinion.). 

 You're opinion.CHAOSWEAV3R

No...it's the foundation of the music.  That is not opinion.:roll:

FYI...I'm not an opinion.  I think you meant the possessive your.;)

[QUOTE="CHAOSWEAV3R"] You're opinion.LJS9502_basic

No...it's the foundation of the music. That is not opinion.:roll:

FYI...I'm not an opinion. I think you meant the possessive your.;)

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="CHAOSWEAV3R"] You're opinion.CHAOSWEAV3R

No...it's the foundation of the music. That is not opinion.:roll:

FYI...I'm not an opinion. I think you meant the possessive your.;)

[QUOTE="CHAOSWEAV3R"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="CHAOSWEAV3R"] You're opinion.TheEraser

No...it's the foundation of the music. That is not opinion.:roll:

FYI...I'm not an opinion. I think you meant the possessive your.;)

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="CHAOSWEAV3R"] You're opinion.CHAOSWEAV3R

No...it's the foundation of the music. That is not opinion.:roll:

FYI...I'm not an opinion. I think you meant the possessive your.;)

I'm surprised at how many people don't know the difference between "your" and "you're" 

[QUOTE="CHAOSWEAV3R"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="CHAOSWEAV3R"] You're opinion.blackslim3000

No...it's the foundation of the music. That is not opinion.:roll:

FYI...I'm not an opinion. I think you meant the possessive your.;)

I'm surprised at how many people don't know the difference between "your" and "you're"

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="CHAOSWEAV3R"] You're opinion.CHAOSWEAV3R

No...it's the foundation of the music. That is not opinion.:roll:

FYI...I'm not an opinion. I think you meant the possessive your.;)

Whatever indeed....it's not my fault you don't understand what you're listening to dude.

[QUOTE="blackslim3000"][QUOTE="CHAOSWEAV3R"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="CHAOSWEAV3R"] You're opinion.CHAOSWEAV3R

No...it's the foundation of the music. That is not opinion.:roll:

FYI...I'm not an opinion. I think you meant the possessive your.;)

I'm surprised at how many people don't know the difference between "your" and "you're"

You're not the only one I've seen do it wrong