While according to that list I would probably be classified as a rape supporter a good 50-60% of the items listed are far from outrageous.
This topic is locked from further discussion.
While according to that list I would probably be classified as a rape supporter a good 50-60% of the items listed are far from outrageous.
I only say that because I know a few woman that were raped (we went to college together) and they said it is not as bad as people make it out to be. It shatters their trust in humanity as a whole for a long time, and they feel outcast, but they ultimately said the same thing: a horrible experience they dont remember that well, that they were able to get over.I imagine living through a bad car crash, getting jumped and beaten for wearing a Giant's shirt, and seeing your best friend die in front of you are equally as traumatizing But, those were isolated incidents, I am sure it is different for everyone so I take back what I said.mrbojangles25Having sex while drunk and not being capable of giving consent due to impaired judgement is ENTIRELY different than being victimised by a predator who feeds on the fear he instills in his victims by maintaining absolute control over their entire existence. Rape has nothing to do with sex. It is about control and power. It is the predation of vulnerability and weakness. It is the most psychologically damaging thing anyone can ever experience. Painting all rape with a single brush is downright ignorant. Every single case is different, and each victim requires unique help to overcome it. If they can't get it, they will forever be a victim and never live in a sense of security of self again.
She's a porn/sex negative feminist who very likely identifies with one of the subgroups of feminism who see their primary goal as eliminating sexual repression(which includes rape, sexual objectification, pornography, prostitution, sexist) through deconstructive means(which would also include rather hostile measures). Visiting a strip club is a form of objectification for certain. However, much like most forms of entertainment, one should be able to tell fantasy from reality. Strip clubs are physical interactive forms of fantasy. So long as you understood that and didn't carry over into objectifying women in the real world, I don't thin there's a single issue with going to a strip club, and I say this as a feminist(for whatever that's worth to anyone).So Let Me See If i got this right...I support Raping Women Just Because I went To a Strip Club...:|
mlbslugger86
I miss that guy. :( But hey all men are evil and all women are saints.carefull you might end up like Big red *looks at allicrombie*
parkurtommo
[QUOTE="mlbslugger86"]She's a porn/sex negative feminist who very likely identifies with one of the subgroups of feminism who see their primary goal as eliminating sexual repression(which includes rape, sexual objectification, pornography, prostitution, sexist) through deconstructive means(which would also include rather hostile measures). Visiting a strip club is a form of objectification for certain. However, much like most forms of entertainment, one should be able to tell fantasy from reality. Strip clubs are physical interactive forms of fantasy. So long as you understood that and didn't carry over into objectifying women in the real world, I don't thin there's a single issue with going to a strip club, and I say this as a feminist(for whatever that's worth to anyone).So Let Me See If i got this right...I support Raping Women Just Because I went To a Strip Club...:|
Lockedge
Thank For That, I Seriously Think There Something Quite Not Right With her, This Blog Gives Feminists A Bad Name
[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]I only say that because I know a few woman that were raped (we went to college together) and they said it is not as bad as people make it out to be. It shatters their trust in humanity as a whole for a long time, and they feel outcast, but they ultimately said the same thing: a horrible experience they dont remember that well, that they were able to get over.I imagine living through a bad car crash, getting jumped and beaten for wearing a Giant's shirt, and seeing your best friend die in front of you are equally as traumatizing But, those were isolated incidents, I am sure it is different for everyone so I take back what I said.foxhound_foxHaving sex while drunk and not being capable of giving consent due to impaired judgement is ENTIRELY different than being victimised by a predator who feeds on the fear he instills in his victims by maintaining absolute control over their entire existence. Rape has nothing to do with sex. It is about control and power. It is the predation of vulnerability and weakness. It is the most psychologically damaging thing anyone can ever experience. Painting all rape with a single brush is downright ignorant. Every single case is different, and each victim requires unique help to overcome it. If they can't get it, they will forever be a victim and never live in a sense of security of self again.I'm not in this. But the bolded part is something I disagree...I'm sure there is worse out there. I'm sure rape is one of the most psychologically damaging thing. But the most...I doubt it...
She's a porn/sex negative feminist who very likely identifies with one of the subgroups of feminism who see their primary goal as eliminating sexual repression(which includes rape, sexual objectification, pornography, prostitution, sexist) through deconstructive means(which would also include rather hostile measures). Visiting a strip club is a form of objectification for certain. However, much like most forms of entertainment, one should be able to tell fantasy from reality. Strip clubs are physical interactive forms of fantasy. So long as you understood that and didn't carry over into objectifying women in the real world, I don't thin there's a single issue with going to a strip club, and I say this as a feminist(for whatever that's worth to anyone).[QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="mlbslugger86"]
So Let Me See If i got this right...I support Raping Women Just Because I went To a Strip Club...:|
mlbslugger86
Thank For That, I Seriously Think There Something Quite Not Right With her, This Blog Gives Feminists A Bad Name
I think what some people fail to realize is that feminism is like politics. There's a spectrum of stances much like there is a Leftist/Rightist spectrum, and there's spectrums similar to socialist/capitalist. Feminists fall all over this grid. It means something different to each feminist out there, and that tends to cause misunderstandings. The opinion of one feminist doesn't speak for all, much like the opinion of one politican doesn't speak for all. I mean, the "porn negative" feminists, when some inner debate went on and they found they weren't having success with their goals, they reached out to popular news barons like FOX News to promote a more porn/sex negative platform, and to slam the door on sex-positive feminists. Of course, this backfired for them and the backlash affected all feminists, and it's a large reason why feminism is such a dirty word today. I mean, I'm a feminist. I look at making attainable, short term goals. My University campus doesn't have any services on campus for any sexual abuse victims. The measures the university took to help prevent rape discriminate against wheelchair bound individuals who can't reach the emergency button in the "safe" locations. These are easy to fix and just require some lobbying and some word of mouth. Eventually, enough pressure will force the changes. A policemen in a nearby city made a statement that women should dress like sluts if they don't want to get raped. I'm involved in groups who have been talking with local police departments to push some training seminars to at the least make police aware that it isn't acceptable to blame the victim. At the most, it could change their perspective and help police response to sexual assault situations, and all of the following proceedings which often minimize the experiences and statements of the victim.I think her outlook is that if you do anything that could possibly lead to the objectification of women, that because objectification of women leads to attitudes the promote rape, which potentially increase the odds of rape, that you support rape.So because I'm a guy I'm a rape supporter?
Good to know.
knightseason
Kind of like how one would say "You didn't buy eggs from farms that are free-range, so you're supporting cruelty to chickens" or "You bought chocolate, you support child labour". Or heck, "you endorse the idea of the Easter Bunny, which has you giving your kids chocolate eggs. This cycle of parents having kids eat chocolate eggs keeps cocoa bean companies in business, which allows them to continue to keep children slaves in their fields over in the Ivory Coast, which ultimately promotes capitalism, classism, slavery, poverty, etc., which means everyone who participates in the Easter Bunny Easter stuff promotes these ideals."
Some of her statements are absolute stretches, very vague, and many of them unrelated to rape(and only holding some relation throughh a "six degrees of kevin bacon" kind of way).
That said, while I disagree with her list and much of her comments, I do think that she has some fragments of a point that are reasonable. I just think that her reasoning is rather poor and too far-reaching.
While a few points on the list I would agree with as being and indicator of a person supporting rape to some degree or another. Most of what is on their are things that are related in such a miniscule and backwards way to rape it's ridiculous they be included.
Also if you need to only meet one of those criterias to be a supporter of rape, I personally do not know a single person, man or woman, gay or straight, that is not supporter of rape by her logic.
[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]I only say that because I know a few woman that were raped (we went to college together) and they said it is not as bad as people make it out to be. It shatters their trust in humanity as a whole for a long time, and they feel outcast, but they ultimately said the same thing: a horrible experience they dont remember that well, that they were able to get over.I imagine living through a bad car crash, getting jumped and beaten for wearing a Giant's shirt, and seeing your best friend die in front of you are equally as traumatizing But, those were isolated incidents, I am sure it is different for everyone so I take back what I said.foxhound_foxHaving sex while drunk and not being capable of giving consent due to impaired judgement is ENTIRELY different than being victimised by a predator who feeds on the fear he instills in his victims by maintaining absolute control over their entire existence. Rape has nothing to do with sex. It is about control and power. It is the predation of vulnerability and weakness. It is the most psychologically damaging thing anyone can ever experience. Painting all rape with a single brush is downright ignorant. Every single case is different, and each victim requires unique help to overcome it. If they can't get it, they will forever be a victim and never live in a sense of security of self again. I do not mean to devalue that rape is an extremely damaging experience, but unless you've been raped, then you do not know that. I do agree with you that there is differences in what and how it happens, along with unique help being needed in each unique case. I will end however on my first point however. It can and unfortunately does get worse. Pain if relative. Experience enough waves and you come to that conclusion. Which, hell, that helps getting over stuff in of itself.
I think her outlook is that if you do anything that could possibly lead to the objectification of women, that because objectification of women leads to attitudes the promote rape, which potentially increase the odds of rape, that you support rape.[QUOTE="knightseason"]
So because I'm a guy I'm a rape supporter?
Good to know.
Lockedge
So because I'm a guy I support rape? :P
I think her outlook is that if you do anything that could possibly lead to the objectification of women, that because objectification of women leads to attitudes the promote rape, which potentially increase the odds of rape, that you support rape.[QUOTE="Lockedge"]
[QUOTE="knightseason"]
So because I'm a guy I'm a rape supporter?
Good to know.
knightseason
So because I'm a guy I support rape? :P
By her count, most likely, due to her vague wording and immense far reaching ideals. However, there's one male individual I know who doesn't meet any of the things on her list, so I suppose not all men support rape. He, however, is 6 years old. :P Again, I think the word "support" is problematic in the way that people could(and have) taken this in a rather aggressive, defensive way, which is likely contrary to her goals. This is her list afterall, not universal. I will say that there's about 1/3 of the things on her list where, if people in the world stopped holding such views or whatnot, the world would be a better place. I think the thing to take out of this unfortunate mess of a list is that there's definitely a long way to go to reduce sexual assault and rape, and that there are still gains to be made on individual levels that everyone can do, with the right mindsets.:lol: i support rape if i have been to a strip club or watched pr0n?
Even her first point is absurd: I support rape if i have sex with a drunk girl?
she would probably be right, IF she meant "a man that qualifies for allof these conditions is a rape supporter" but she obviously doesn't mean that. i can't tell if she actually agrees with what she wrote or not, but if she does, then there's something wrong with her. maybe she got raped really hard or something.
What a bunch of BS
Feminists are the second worst kind of extremeist, right behind religious nutcases....
heysharpshooter
I couldn't agree more.
[QUOTE="dracula_16"]
[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]
What a bunch of BS
Feminists are the second worst kind of extremeist, right behind religious nutcases....
Fundai
I couldn't agree more.
your sig is awesome. Great suttle way to push a great message!
Aww, thanks! :)
Your sig; my reaction.It's official: I support rape! Oh wow, Ican't believe I didn't realize that before. If you excuse me, I'm going to go stare at my own reflection for a while in complete disgust, wishing I were a woman.
Avian005
*Slams head on desk*
I don't condone rape. I also don't condone abortion. I don't condone porn of any kind but still think it should remain legal because we have free speech. I guess that makes me a hypocrite then? :P
I'd rub cake on her and make her change her views. :oops:
Seriously, there's nothing much to say. Her arguments depict her intellectual level. Waste of brain cells to argue since it's pointless to debate against her. Her IQ could be high, but also misinformed. Very radical and extreme in views indeed, total bias. Logical? Sometimes, but many of her arguments were fallacies. COnvincing? Nope. Not at all. She just went against all men. All I can say, she was mostly talking rubbish.
Random thoughts, (though not well formed)
Found her banner quite eccentric. Tells alot about the person. "Eve bit first and Adam got the pit." Feminist much I guess.
Ironic, in my elective for Christian studies, I found out that Eve was made part from the flesh of Adam. Man took the wrong for woman in a sense. Oh well.
I think the first point is meant to reflect people's willingness to bypass consent to have sex. At least, that's the only reasonable way I could possibly spin it. The first point is all about individuals avoiding legal consent. Personally, I agree with the first point to a degree, although it's certainly far too vague and generalizing for me to be able to defend it at all XD.:lol: i support rape if i have been to a strip club or watched pr0n?
Even her first point is absurd: I support rape if i have sex with a drunk girl?
smashed_pinata
[QUOTE="smashed_pinata"]I think the first point is meant to reflect people's willingness to bypass consent to have sex. At least, that's the only reasonable way I could possibly spin it. The first point is all about individuals avoiding legal consent. Personally, I agree with the first point to a degree, although it's certainly far too vague and generalizing for me to be able to defend it at all XD. This. Sex by coercion in all its different was is wrong.:lol: i support rape if i have been to a strip club or watched pr0n?
Even her first point is absurd: I support rape if i have sex with a drunk girl?
Lockedge
I disagree with people who say they hate feminists and/or call this woman a feminist. I've known alot of feminists and many are good close friends of mine that actual fit more of this criteria than I do. I've even known a few "man-hating" feminists, and they wouldn't agree with this woman either.
Also, I am not suprised at men being very upset about this. Her choice of words are very poor. And largely because she states this is a list for which she is telling other women to judge men by, and stay away from any that meet any of the criteria. The funny thing is that it leaves them with no men too choose from, and the list rules out any woman I've evern known aswell (if I am to make the assumption that the author believes women should be held to the same standard she thinks men should be).
Touche.What a bunch of BS
Feminists are the second worst kind of extremeist, right behind religious nutcases....
heysharpshooter
She just tried to rape my mind with knowledge. So I guess that makes us even.Wilfred_Owen
Mind rape. :o
I like how the article ends with this sentence:
So, let's see how many women reading this know at least one male over the age of 18 who does not fit this list. Anybody?
She admits herself that every man ever will in one way or another fall under this (rather twisted) definition of the concept. If this classification can be applied so universally, then what is the use of the classification anyway? To somehow prove that women are better than men? Ok, if that makes her sleep at night.
Now move along, nothing to see here.
Here's a thought; a man is a rape supporter if he.... - Rapes women - Openly supports rapeNude_Dude
Simply that.
Please Log In to post.
Log in to comment