Do You Believe Jesus Christ Rose From The Dead? (Poll)

No I do not. I'm iffy on if Jesus Christ was a real person, though I tend to believe he was. Raising from the dead is a part I do not believe. If one looks into ancient Egyptian texts they will find a God, a 1000 years or so older than Jesus Christ, who was born a virgin birth, had many of the same life story lines, then rose from the dead, which was witnessed by his mother & another female follower. Food for thought.btaylor2404

Please provide your source linking to the original religious texts with the details, not the fictional zeitgeist movie.

I don't know.

[QUOTE="tycoonmike"] You are proselytising God's "Word," thus you are, by extension, condemning people. Is that not God's job?

So then that makes Jesus both flawed and unflawed? Crushmaster

But whose criteria are the right ones? Yours? Mine? Martin Luther's? St. Paul's?

And don't go hiding behind others, I want to know what YOU believe. Is Jesus both flawed and not flawed?

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="bogaty"]

Jesus never existed as anything other than a work of fiction.

chessmaster1989

In order for one not to believe that Jesus is God, that He was raised from the dead, which therefore proves that God exists, they would have to deny the truth of the empty tomb and the Resurrection. In addition, they would have to deny the fulfillment of hundreds of prophecies in Christ. .

They would have to believe that the Apostles and early Christians made up the resurrection account. This would require a rational explanation for why the Apostles and early Christians would willingly endure persecution and death for something they knew was a lie? The Apostles and early Christians were stoned, beheaded, boiled in oil, imprisoned, crucified, scourged, fed to lions, clothed in animal skins and then torn apart by wild beasts, tarred and lit on fire, disemboweled, burnt at the stake, etc., rather than recant their faith.

A rational explanation would be required as to why the Jewish Priests and Roman authorities that wanted so much to stamp out early Christianity, as evidenced by their persecution of Christians, chose not to display Jesus' body to disprove the claims of the followers of Christ that he had arose from the dead.

A rational explanation would be required for the dramatic change in the Apostles' behavior. They scattered and even denied knowing Jesus when He was arrested. After His death, they were crushed, in hiding, their Messiah put to death like a common criminal. Suddenly, after Jesus appeared to them there was a dramatic change. They began to openly preach the Gospel in the Temple in Jerusalem, the very city where Jesus was crucified. The very city where there were living eyewitnesses to the events that would have refuted them if they were lying. They were told to stop but defied the authorities. The endured persecution and ultimately death rather than recant their faith because they believed they saw, touched, and fellowshipped with the resurrected Jesus.

Also needing rational explanation would be why the Apostles were bold enough to preach the resurrection in Jerusalem, the very city where Christ was crucified, to crowds that lived during those events and could have easily disputed the resurrection claims publicly. If they were spreading a lie, why did they not go to some remote area where there were no eyewitnesses to the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ that could disputed their claims if they were lying?

Finally, one would need to explain why the early Church grew so quickly in a pagan world, especially when it was under intense persecution. Even today, in countries like North Korea and China, where Christians are under the most intense persecution, the Church is growing faster than in areas with less persecution.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that you are not entitled to your beliefs, far be it to impose on your free will, but personally, when one rationally considers the evidence, the reasonable and rational belief is in the truth of Christianity.

Yes, and in order to believe in the resurrection, one has to rationally believe that people can rise from the dead.

Jesus is God. You cannot compare the abilities of God to the abilities of humans.

I think more people need to look at that picture I posted.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that you are not entitled to your beliefs, far be it to impose on your free will, but personally, when one rationally considers the evidence, the reasonable and rational belief is in the truth of Christianity.

blackregiment

And everyone else will tell you everything else. Far be it on them to say that you're entitled to your belief, but don't try to force it on you by making such loaded comments like "when one rationally considers the evidence."

Yes, and in order to believe in the resurrection, one has to rationally believe that people can rise from the dead.

chessmaster1989

[QUOTE="DarkSmokeNinja"]

1. I don't really know. I'd speculate that matter or energy, in some form, has always existed.

2. We just die. There is nothing after. I'd predict it's something like a dreamless sleep from which you never wake up.

3. No.

[QUOTE="DarkSmokeNinja"]

1. How did you think the Earth and everthing else was made?

I dunno.

2. Where do you think you go when you die?

Nowhere.

3. Do you ever get a strange feeling that there is a higher and greater being?

Nope.

What do I win?

I think more people need to look at that picture I posted.

Rikardur

[QUOTE="DarkSmokeNinja"]

Okay, I have questions to ask you and any other Atheist on this thread.

1. How did you think the Earth and everthing else was made?

2. Where do you think you go when you die?

3. Do you ever get a strange feeling that there is a higher and greater being?

First of all, I am not an athiest. I believe in the theology of Abraham combined with the philosophy of Lao-Tsu.

As such, I will answer your questions:

1. I believe God created the heavens and the earth, but allowed life to spread instead of going poof and having all the animals appear at once. This is thiestic evolution.

2. I don't know. It is the job of the Almighty to judge me worthy or unworthy of moving on, so I cannot answer this question accurately.

3. Every moment of my life, yes.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Yes, and in order to believe in the resurrection, one has to rationally believe that people can rise from the dead.

Crushmaster

But whose criteria are the right ones? Yours? Mine? Martin Luther's? St. Paul's?

And don't go hiding behind others, I want to know what YOU believe. Is Jesus both flawed and not flawed?

tycoonmike

i got a quick question, does it really matter whether you a catholic, christian, or lutheran? as far as im concerned, they all believe that jesus dies for our sins, all the christian religions worship the same thing.

Neo-ganon

One must place their total trust in the finished work of Christ on the cross for their salvation, not in man-made traditions of the Church which are works.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

In order for one not to believe that Jesus is God, that He was raised from the dead, which therefore proves that God exists, they would have to deny the truth of the empty tomb and the Resurrection. In addition, they would have to deny the fulfillment of hundreds of prophecies in Christ. .

They would have to believe that the Apostles and early Christians made up the resurrection account. This would require a rational explanation for why the Apostles and early Christians would willingly endure persecution and death for something they knew was a lie? The Apostles and early Christians were stoned, beheaded, boiled in oil, imprisoned, crucified, scourged, fed to lions, clothed in animal skins and then torn apart by wild beasts, tarred and lit on fire, disemboweled, burnt at the stake, etc., rather than recant their faith.

A rational explanation would be required as to why the Jewish Priests and Roman authorities that wanted so much to stamp out early Christianity, as evidenced by their persecution of Christians, chose not to display Jesus' body to disprove the claims of the followers of Christ that he had arose from the dead.

A rational explanation would be required for the dramatic change in the Apostles' behavior. They scattered and even denied knowing Jesus when He was arrested. After His death, they were crushed, in hiding, their Messiah put to death like a common criminal. Suddenly, after Jesus appeared to them there was a dramatic change. They began to openly preach the Gospel in the Temple in Jerusalem, the very city where Jesus was crucified. The very city where there were living eyewitnesses to the events that would have refuted them if they were lying. They were told to stop but defied the authorities. The endured persecution and ultimately death rather than recant their faith because they believed they saw, touched, and fellowshipped with the resurrected Jesus.

Also needing rational explanation would be why the Apostles were bold enough to preach the resurrection in Jerusalem, the very city where Christ was crucified, to crowds that lived during those events and could have easily disputed the resurrection claims publicly. If they were spreading a lie, why did they not go to some remote area where there were no eyewitnesses to the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ that could disputed their claims if they were lying?

Finally, one would need to explain why the early Church grew so quickly in a pagan world, especially when it was under intense persecution. Even today, in countries like North Korea and China, where Christians are under the most intense persecution, the Church is growing faster than in areas with less persecution.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that you are not entitled to your beliefs, far be it to impose on your free will, but personally, when one rationally considers the evidence, the reasonable and rational belief is in the truth of Christianity.

blackregiment

Yes, and in order to believe in the resurrection, one has to rationally believe that people can rise from the dead.

Jesus is God. You cannot compare the abilities of God to the abilities of humans.

And, to add on to that, to believe in the resurrection, you also have to belief in a supernatural being that has not been proven to exist, and for whose existence there is no evidence.

And you tell me that "the reasonable and rational belief is...Christianity"? :lol:

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]

[QUOTE="swazidoughman"]

Anyone ever think that the fantastical events in the bible are metaphors or something like that ?

swazidoughman

You know?

please give me proof.

[QUOTE="judog1"]That's pretty much the whole catholic religion right there.Crushmaster

[QUOTE="btaylor2404"]No I do not. I'm iffy on if Jesus Christ was a real person, though I tend to believe he was. Raising from the dead is a part I do not believe. If one looks into ancient Egyptian texts they will find a God, a 1000 years or so older than Jesus Christ, who was born a virgin birth, had many of the same life story lines, then rose from the dead, which was witnessed by his mother & another female follower. Food for thought.blackregiment

Please provide your source linking to the original religious texts with the details, not the fictional zeitgeist movie.

[QUOTE="tycoonmike"] But whose criteria are the right ones? Yours? Mine? Martin Luther's? St. Paul's?

And don't go hiding behind others, I want to know what YOU believe. Is Jesus both flawed and not flawed?

Crushmaster

So then how could Jesus be both human and divine? To be human means to be flawed, thus sinful.

And Frodo managed to stop Sauron (who did exist) by tossing the one ring into Mt. Doom (which he did).

Rikardur

He didnot die, according to Islam.

MFaraz_Hayat

[QUOTE="Rikardur"]And Frodo managed to stop Sauron (who did exist) by tossing the one ring into Mt. Doom (which he did).

Crushmaster

Proof?

[QUOTE="Rikardur"]And Frodo managed to stop Sauron (who did exist) by tossing the one ring into Mt. Doom (which he did).

Crushmaster

and thousands of people see UFOs each year

[QUOTE="Rikardur"]And Frodo managed to stop Sauron (who did exist) by tossing the one ring into Mt. Doom (which he did).

Crushmaster

the fact that you are a "conservative", think catholics aren't christian, and only quote from the KJVmeans yougotta be an independent baptist...

To answer the topic, no i do not believe jesus christ rose from the dead, because as you get older its normal to stop believing myths, i thought i'd never be the same when it was broke down to me that santa didnt exist........on second thought i was a very rational kid, i liked the thought of santa but i never actualy believed em, i always knew it was my parents buying me the presents and putting quarters under my pillow and not the tooth fairy & santa

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]

[QUOTE="Rikardur"]And Frodo managed to stop Sauron (who did exist) by tossing the one ring into Mt. Doom (which he did).

Ingenemployee

and thousands of people see UFOs each year

They would have to believe that the Apostles and early Christians made up the resurrection account. This would require a rational explanation for why the Apostles and early Christians would willingly endure persecution and death for something they knew was a lie? The Apostles and early Christians were stoned, beheaded, boiled in oil, imprisoned, crucified, scourged, fed to lions, clothed in animal skins and then torn apart by wild beasts, tarred and lit on fire, disemboweled, burnt at the stake, etc., rather than recant their faith.

blackregiment

Even if these storys wernt exaggerated or completely fictional, Muslim martyers die everyday for their prophet and there is no difference what so ever, people die for what they believe in every day, it doesnt matter whether what they believe is true or not.

[QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"]

He didnot die, according to Islam.

hydralisk86

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

They would have to believe that the Apostles and early Christians made up the resurrection account. This would require a rational explanation for why the Apostles and early Christians would willingly endure persecution and death for something they knew was a lie? The Apostles and early Christians were stoned, beheaded, boiled in oil, imprisoned, crucified, scourged, fed to lions, clothed in animal skins and then torn apart by wild beasts, tarred and lit on fire, disemboweled, burnt at the stake, etc., rather than recant their faith.

Even if these storys wernt exaggerated or completely fictional, Muslim martyers die everyday for their prophet and there is no difference what so ever, people die for what they believe in every day, it doesnt matter whether what they believe is true or not.

Yes.

So then how could Jesus be both human and divine? To be human means to be flawed, thus sinful. tycoonmike

[QUOTE="hydralisk86"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"]

He didnot die, according to Islam.

ganon92

[QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]
Mount Doom and Frodo do not exist. They were invented in the mind of J.R.R. Tolkien.

Jesus Christ's existenceis confirmed in the Bible, and even in secular historian's writings. He existed, and over five hundred people saw Him after He was resurrected.

LJS9502_basic

and thousands of people see UFOs each year

Considering I think it's something like 30% of Americans believe that aliens have visited Earth, I think you could easily find 500 people who say they have been abducted by aliens.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]

and thousands of people see UFOs each year

chessmaster1989

Considering I think it's something like 30% of Americans believe that aliens have visited Earth, I think you could easily find 500 people who say they have been abducted by aliens.

I am afraid this is going to have to do, as I have to go and eat supper. If you wish to know more, please look at the link from www.carm.org Igave you.
So, to all, good night, and God bless.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]UFO's are unidenfied flying objects so it's quite possible people see things in the sky they can't identify.;)

LJS9502_basic

Considering I think it's something like 30% of Americans believe that aliens have visited Earth, I think you could easily find 500 people who say they have been abducted by aliens.

I don't believe he died in the first place.Famiking

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Considering I think it's something like 30% of Americans believe that aliens have visited Earth, I think you could easily find 500 people who say they have been abducted by aliens.

chessmaster1989

woah- the 10 commandments just came on ABC as I was posting on this topic... heh

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Ah but he said UFO and that is not necessarily alien related. It's a classification...

LJS9502_basic

Hmmmm... what?

[QUOTE="Famiking"]I don't believe he died in the first place.hydralisk86

Jesus was brought to earth by Emperor Palpatine via a UFO where he abducted 500 people.

[QUOTE="Power_47"]

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

They would have to believe that the Apostles and early Christians made up the resurrection account. This would require a rational explanation for why the Apostles and early Christians would willingly endure persecution and death for something they knew was a lie? The Apostles and early Christians were stoned, beheaded, boiled in oil, imprisoned, crucified, scourged, fed to lions, clothed in animal skins and then torn apart by wild beasts, tarred and lit on fire, disemboweled, burnt at the stake, etc., rather than recant their faith.

Scoob64

Even if these storys wernt exaggerated or completely fictional, Muslim martyers die everyday for their prophet and there is no difference what so ever, people die for what they believe in every day, it doesnt matter whether what they believe is true or not.

Yeah but muslims didnt tie innocent women to poles and burn them alive in fear of them being witches either ;)

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] I know. I was just trying to present a better example of what he was trying to point out ;).

chessmaster1989

Hmmmm... what?

[QUOTE="ganon92"][QUOTE="hydralisk86"] How is that even possible? he was crucified...Do you have proof that he didn't die? hydralisk86

Nope, I don't believe in such things.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Well then I guess the proof is up to you to prove those 500 people wrong then...;)

LJS9502_basic

Hmmmm... what?

Err...

...that's not what I'm saying :?.

I'm just trying to point out that there are other things that you can easily find 500 people claiming to believe/have seen that I doubt Crush/BR believe.