Do You Believe Jesus Christ Rose From The Dead? (Poll)

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#101 tycoonmike
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[QUOTE="swazidoughman"]

[QUOTE="DarkSmokeNinja"]Oh, I read the bible

DarkSmokeNinja

What makes you think it's a credible source?

Think?,Naw, I'm 100% sure that the Bible is true

How do you justify your belief?

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#102 -Sun_Tzu-
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No, it's not derived from Him. It is a cult-religion from Satan himself.

Yes, they do profess a belief in the teachings of Christ. But a profession does not save you. Grace, through faith in Christ is what saves you.

Crushmaster

Well Catholicism is derived from the teachings of Jesus Christ, because, like you have admitted, Catholics do profess a belief in the teachings of Christ. That is what makes them Catholic. Regardless if they will be saved or not, they are by definition Christian.

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#103 IndigoSunrise
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[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]Your morality? Really? Have you ever lied, lusted, stolen, had evil thoughts? foxhound_fox


I can't lie, it makes me sick to my stomach. I don't lust, beyond the natural bounds of human sexuality. I don't steal, if I don't earn it, I am not entitled to it. I do not have "evil thoughts" because I treat other humans with respect and am of a healthy mind.

I find it amazing how you are so easily able to pass judgement on me and call me "evil." I find that to be very un-Christian of you. Jesus must be spinning in his grave.

Your signature image filled me with sinfull thoughts. How dare you! I had not lusted or violated ANY of God's commandments before you posted. In the few seconds following your post. I murdered a man slept with his wife AND stole a candy bar from a 7/11. I am so going to hell now.

Thanks alot for damning me to hell Foxhound Fox. Crushmaster? Looks like you bettersign me up for some of that Jebus. :P

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#104 Ingenemployee
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[QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

'kay, for the record, the Greek gods are much cooler than the Egyptian gods :P.

All hail almighty Zeus!

chessmaster1989

Thats BS

Anubis> Zeus

No way! Zeus would own Anubis in a fight any day 8).

/puts on thick glasses and uses nerd voice/ absolutely not, Anubis does +9000 damage and automatically sends level 70 + enemies to the Underworld

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#105 swazidoughman
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Euroshinobi"] neither of you are, personaly i believe the egyptian gods to be the true gods :P, thats old school right there, jesus is new school, just a carbon copy of the old school, and stolen holidays

Euroshinobi

'kay, for the record, the Greek gods are much cooler than the Egyptian gods :P.

All hail almighty Zeus!

Japanese gods > Greek gods

i win

Also a Cyborg

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#106 Funky_Llama
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A special Egg Day-themed CWU thread :o
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#107 legend26
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[QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

'kay, for the record, the Greek gods are much cooler than the Egyptian gods :P.

All hail almighty Zeus!

chessmaster1989

Thats BS

Anubis> Zeus

No way! Zeus would own Anubis in a fight any day 8).

your both wrong

Quetzalcoatl FTW!

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#108 swazidoughman
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[QUOTE="swazidoughman"]

[QUOTE="DarkSmokeNinja"]Oh, I read the bible

DarkSmokeNinja

What makes you think it's a credible source?

Think?,Naw, I'm 100% sure that the Bible is true

How do you know it's true?

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#109 chessmaster1989
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]

Thats BS

Anubis> Zeus

Ingenemployee

No way! Zeus would own Anubis in a fight any day 8).

/puts on thick glasses and uses nerd voice/ absolutely not, Anubis does +9000 damage and automatically sends level 70 + enemies to the Underworld

*adopts nerdy voice*

Dude, no way, Zeu's power level is over 9000! He has the thunderbolt attack, which has a +25% damage bonus on Egyptian gods.

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#110 foxhound_fox
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Your signature image filled me with sinfull thoughts. How dare you! I had not lusted or violated ANY of God's commandments before you posted.

Thanks alot for damning me to hell Foxhound Fox.Crushmaster. Sign me up for some of that Jebus. :P

IndigoSunrise


That is Astaroth, the ancient Middle Eastern goddess of fertility, love, sex and war. She is an analogue to Ishtar, Inanna and Astarte.

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#111 martialbullet
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Japanese gods > Greek Gods *pic of Raiden*Euroshinobi
Raiden isn't a Japanese God, he's an Asian inspired (near that of Chinese) God :|
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#112 DarkSmokeNinja
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[QUOTE="DarkSmokeNinja"]

[QUOTE="swazidoughman"]

What makes you think it's a credible source?

tycoonmike

Think?,Naw, I'm 100% sure that the Bible is true

How do you justify your belief?

I just have faith in God, and believe that Jesus was crusified and rose again

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#113 super_mario_128
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I don't know, is my answer. Probably not, but I wasn't alive two millennia ago.
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#114 Crushmaster
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Of course he has. Of course I have. We all have done evil in life, whether we want to admit to it or not. Including, despite your holier-than-thou attitude, yourself. You have no right to pass theological judgement on a human being, much as I have no right to pass theological judgement on a human being because you ARE human. You are flawed, just as I am, just as Jesus was, just as the authors of the Bible were, and just as every single human prophet, Christian or otherwise, was.

tycoonmike


What do you mean, "holier-than-thou"? Here:I'm flawed, like every other human being. I've lied, stolen, lusted, and done many evil deeds. I am evil, like every other human being. I am quite sure I said I was evil a couple of posts before while talking to Foxhound_Fox.

No, Jesus was not flawed. If He was, then the entire Christian religion is false. He was perfect, and never sinned!

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#115 LJS9502_basic
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Is it imperative that we argue religion every day? Nonetheless, to answer the question....I'm Christian so do the math.

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#116 DarkSmokeNinja
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[QUOTE="DarkSmokeNinja"]

[QUOTE="swazidoughman"]

What makes you think it's a credible source?

swazidoughman

Think?,Naw, I'm 100% sure that the Bible is true

How do you know it's true?

because I have faith in God.

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#117 IndigoSunrise
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]

Thats BS

Anubis> Zeus

legend26

No way! Zeus would own Anubis in a fight any day 8).

your both wrong

Quetzalcoatl FTW!

YOUR ALL WRONG! ALL HAIL XENU!

File:South Park Xenu.jpg

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#118 TM_Darkside
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[QUOTE="tycoonmike"]

[QUOTE="DarkSmokeNinja"]Think?,Naw, I'm 100% sure that the Bible is true

DarkSmokeNinja

How do you justify your belief?

I just have faith in God, and believe that Jesus was crusified and rose again

Anyone that is "100% sure that the Bible is true" is a lost cause. It's okay to be religious, but do you honestly have zero doubt that some of the Bible is a bit far-fetched, to say the least?

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#119 Funky_Llama
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[QUOTE="tycoonmike"]

[QUOTE="DarkSmokeNinja"]Think?,Naw, I'm 100% sure that the Bible is true

DarkSmokeNinja

How do you justify your belief?

I just have faith in God, and believe that Jesus was crusified and rose again

Just because have faith doesn't mean you can be sure that your faith is accurate.
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#120 tycoonmike
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[QUOTE="tycoonmike"] Of course he has. Of course I have. We all have done evil in life, whether we want to admit to it or not. Including, despite your holier-than-thou attitude, yourself. You have no right to pass theological judgement on a human being, much as I have no right to pass theological judgement on a human being because you ARE human. You are flawed, just as I am, just as Jesus was, just as the authors of the Bible were, and just as every single human prophet, Christian or otherwise, was.

Crushmaster


What do you mean, "holier-than-thou"? Here:I'm flawed, like every other human being. I've lied, stolen, lusted, and done many evil deeds. I am evil, like every other human being. I am quite sure I said I was evil a couple of posts before while talking to Foxhound_Fox.

No, Jesus was not flawed. If He was, then the entire Christian religion is false. He was perfect, and never sinned!

Then you have absolutely no right to condemn anyone for believeing differently from you.

Was Jesus human?

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#121 Rikardur
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I've been reading through this thread and I felt I should post this:

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#122 Euroshinobi
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[QUOTE="Euroshinobi"] Japanese gods > Greek Gods *pic of Raiden*martialbullet
Raiden isn't a Japanese God, he's an Asian inspired (near that of Chinese) God :|

Raiden Aka Raijin in japanese, was a japanese god, when they had a religion "shinto", he was a god of thunder who always carried around a Thunder beast named Raiju honestly where do you think all these pokemon came from ? they are mostly mocks of the old religion in japan, Raiden is a mock of Raijin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raijin

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#123 tycoonmike
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[QUOTE="tycoonmike"]

[QUOTE="DarkSmokeNinja"]Think?,Naw, I'm 100% sure that the Bible is true

DarkSmokeNinja

How do you justify your belief?

I just have faith in God, and believe that Jesus was crusified and rose again

Then you do not know. You cannot be 100% sure that Christianity is theological truth.

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#124 Crushmaster
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[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]

No, it's not derived from Him. It is a cult-religion from Satan himself.

Yes, they do profess a belief in the teachings of Christ. But a profession does not save you. Grace, through faith in Christ is what saves you.

-Sun_Tzu-

Well Catholicism is derived from the teachings of Jesus Christ, because, like you have admitted, Catholics do profess a belief in the teachings of Christ. That is what makes them Catholic. Regardless if they will be saved or not, they are by definition Christian.


"If they will be saved are not"? A Christian is someone who IS saved! If you're not a Christian, the Lake of Fire will be your home. And you only become a Christian by placing your faith in Jesus Christ and repenting of your sins. Works + that will not save you. It is Christ alone.

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#125 lonewolf604
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I've been reading through this thread and I felt I should post this:

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Rikardur

that pretty much sums it up

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#126 DarkSmokeNinja
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[QUOTE="TM_Darkside"]

[QUOTE="DarkSmokeNinja"]

[QUOTE="tycoonmike"]

How do you justify your belief?

I just have faith in God, and believe that Jesus was crusified and rose again

Just because have faith doesn't mean you can be sure that your faith is accurate.

Just know that I believe in God and I'm a Christain, and I don't ever intend on losing faith in God.
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#127 Crushmaster
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Then you have absolutely no right to condemn anyone for believeing differently from you.
Was Jesus human?

tycoonmike


I am not condeming them. God's Word is.

And, yes to a point. Jesus was 100% human and 100% God. He was God in the flesh.

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#128 martialbullet
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[QUOTE="martialbullet"][QUOTE="Euroshinobi"] Japanese gods > Greek Gods *pic of Raiden*Euroshinobi

Raiden isn't a Japanese God, he's an Asian inspired (near that of Chinese) God :|

Raiden Aka Raijin in japanese, was a japanese god, when they had a religion "shinto", he was a god of thunder who always carried around a Thunder beast named Raiju honestly where do you think all these pokemon came from ? they are mostly mocks of the old religion in japan, Raiden is a mock of Raijin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raijin

Well wadoya know, John Tobias is more clever than I had thought. I see I have underestimated him....this time >_>
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#129 DarkSmokeNinja
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[QUOTE="DarkSmokeNinja"]

[QUOTE="tycoonmike"]

How do you justify your belief?

tycoonmike

I just have faith in God, and believe that Jesus was crusified and rose again

Then you do not know. You cannot be 100% sure that Christianity is theological truth.

Okay, I have questions to ask you and any other Atheist on this thread.

1. How did you think the Earth and everthing else was made?

2. Where do you think you go when you die?

3. Do you ever get a strange feeling that there is a higher and greater being?

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#130 tycoonmike
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[QUOTE="tycoonmike"] Then you have absolutely no right to condemn anyone for believeing differently from you.
Was Jesus human?

Crushmaster


I am not condeming them. God's Word is.

And, yes to a point. Jesus was 100% human and 100% God. He was God in the flesh.

You are proselytising God's "Word," thus you are, by extension, condemning people. Is that not God's job?

So then that makes Jesus both flawed and unflawed?

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#131 -Sun_Tzu-
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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]

No, it's not derived from Him. It is a cult-religion from Satan himself.

Yes, they do profess a belief in the teachings of Christ. But a profession does not save you. Grace, through faith in Christ is what saves you.

Crushmaster

Well Catholicism is derived from the teachings of Jesus Christ, because, like you have admitted, Catholics do profess a belief in the teachings of Christ. That is what makes them Catholic. Regardless if they will be saved or not, they are by definition Christian.


"If they will be saved are not"? A Christian is someone who IS saved! If you're not a Christian, the Lake of Fire will be your home. And you only become a Christian by placing your faith in Jesus Christ and repenting of your sins. Works + that will not save you. It is Christ alone.

No. Being saved is not a requirement for someone to be Christian. A Christian is someone who professes a belief in the teachings of Christ. That's it. Catholics are then, by definition, Christians.

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#132 TM_Darkside
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[QUOTE="tycoonmike"]

[QUOTE="DarkSmokeNinja"]I just have faith in God, and believe that Jesus was crusified and rose again

DarkSmokeNinja

Then you do not know. You cannot be 100% sure that Christianity is theological truth.

Okay, I have questions to ask you and any other Atheist on this thread.

1. How did you think the Earth and everthing else was made?

2. Where do you think you go when you die?

3. Do you ever get a strange feeling that there is a higher and greater being?

1) I am uncertain, but I'm rather sure it wasn't created by a wizard that was a carbon copy of earlier religions.

2) I become fertilizer.

3) No.

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#133 foxhound_fox
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Okay, I have questions to ask you and any other Atheist on this thread.

1. How did you think the Earth and everthing else was made?

2. Where do you think you go when you die?

3. Do you ever get a strange feeling that there is a higher and greater being?

DarkSmokeNinja


1. Earth and the universe were not made, they were formed. See the big bang theory and planetary formation on Wikipedia.
2. The ground, where every living thing goes.
3. No, which is why I'm not religious. Except when I think about my girlfriend and the considerable coincidences between me meeting her and my actions in TESIV: Oblivion. But then I am brought back down to Earth because I know that it was eHarmony that brought us together, not a fictional goddess that has no objective evidence that supports her existence.

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#134 chessmaster1989
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[QUOTE="tycoonmike"]

[QUOTE="DarkSmokeNinja"]I just have faith in God, and believe that Jesus was crusified and rose again

DarkSmokeNinja

Then you do not know. You cannot be 100% sure that Christianity is theological truth.

Okay, I have questions to ask you and any other Atheist on this thread.

1. How did you think the Earth and everthing else was made?

2. Where do you think you go when you die?

3. Do you ever get a strange feeling that there is a higher and greater being?

1. I don't really know. I'd speculate that matter or energy, in some form, has always existed.

2. We just die. There is nothing after. I'd predict it's something like a dreamless sleep from which you never wake up.

3. No.

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#135 Red-Ravens
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No. Jesus didn't exist.
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#136 RadBooley
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1. How did you think the Earth and everthing else was made?

I dunno.

2. Where do you think you go when you die?

Nowhere.

3. Do you ever get a strange feeling that there is a higher and greater being?

Nope.

DarkSmokeNinja

What do I win?

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#137 tycoonmike
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Okay, I have questions to ask you and any other Atheist on this thread.

1. How did you think the Earth and everthing else was made?

2. Where do you think you go when you die?

3. Do you ever get a strange feeling that there is a higher and greater being?

DarkSmokeNinja

First of all, I am not an athiest. I believe in the theology of Abraham combined with the philosophy of Lao-Tsu.

As such, I will answer your questions:

1. I believe God created the heavens and the earth, but allowed life to spread instead of going poof and having all the animals appear at once. This is thiestic evolution.

2. I don't know. It is the job of the Almighty to judge me worthy or unworthy of moving on, so I cannot answer this question accurately.

3. Every moment of my life, yes.

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#138 Crushmaster
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You are proselytising God's "Word," thus you are, by extension, condemning people. Is that not God's job?

So then that makes Jesus both flawed and unflawed? tycoonmike


It is to a point. We are, however, to judge according to His Word.

As to your question, look at this page: http://www.carm.org/questions/questions-about-jesus It should give you an answer better than I could.

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#139 btaylor2404
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No I do not. I'm iffy on if Jesus Christ was a real person, though I tend to believe he was. Raising from the dead is a part I do not believe. If one looks into ancient Egyptian texts they will find a God, a 1000 years or so older than Jesus Christ, who was born a virgin birth, had many of the same life story lines, then rose from the dead, which was witnessed by his mother & another female follower. Food for thought.
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#140 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Well Catholicism is derived from the teachings of Jesus Christ, because, like you have admitted, Catholics do profess a belief in the teachings of Christ. That is what makes them Catholic. Regardless if they will be saved or not, they are by definition Christian.

-Sun_Tzu-


"If they will be saved are not"? A Christian is someone who IS saved! If you're not a Christian, the Lake of Fire will be your home. And you only become a Christian by placing your faith in Jesus Christ and repenting of your sins. Works + that will not save you. It is Christ alone.

No. Being saved is not a requirement for someone to be Christian. A Christian is someone who professes a belief in the teachings of Christ. That's it. Catholics are then, by definition, Christians.

Ah that argument again. I've stated the meaning of Christian several times in these threads but some just won't admit Catholics are Christians. But you are correct.

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#141 deactivated-58df4522915cb
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i got a quick question, does it really matter whether you a catholic, christian, or lutheran? as far as im concerned, they all believe that jesus dies for our sins, all the christian religions worship the same thing.

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#142 blackregiment
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Jesus never existed as anything other than a work of fiction.

bogaty

In order for one not to believe that Jesus is God, that He was raised from the dead, which therefore proves that God exists, they would have to deny the truth of the empty tomb and the Resurrection. In addition, they would have to deny the fulfillment of hundreds of prophecies in Christ. .

They would have to believe that the Apostles and early Christians made up the resurrection account. This would require a rational explanation for why the Apostles and early Christians would willingly endure persecution and death for something they knew was a lie? The Apostles and early Christians were stoned, beheaded, boiled in oil, imprisoned, crucified, scourged, fed to lions, clothed in animal skins and then torn apart by wild beasts, tarred and lit on fire, disemboweled, burnt at the stake, etc., rather than recant their faith.

A rational explanation would be required as to why the Jewish Priests and Roman authorities that wanted so much to stamp out early Christianity, as evidenced by their persecution of Christians, chose not to display Jesus' body to disprove the claims of the followers of Christ that he had arose from the dead.

A rational explanation would be required for the dramatic change in the Apostles' behavior. They scattered and even denied knowing Jesus when He was arrested. After His death, they were crushed, in hiding, their Messiah put to death like a common criminal. Suddenly, after Jesus appeared to them there was a dramatic change. They began to openly preach the Gospel in the Temple in Jerusalem, the very city where Jesus was crucified. The very city where there were living eyewitnesses to the events that would have refuted them if they were lying. They were told to stop but defied the authorities. The endured persecution and ultimately death rather than recant their faith because they believed they saw, touched, and fellowshipped with the resurrected Jesus.

Also needing rational explanation would be why the Apostles were bold enough to preach the resurrection in Jerusalem, the very city where Christ was crucified, to crowds that lived during those events and could have easily disputed the resurrection claims publicly. If they were spreading a lie, why did they not go to some remote area where there were no eyewitnesses to the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ that could disputed their claims if they were lying?

Finally, one would need to explain why the early Church grew so quickly in a pagan world, especially when it was under intense persecution. Even today, in countries like North Korea and China, where Christians are under the most intense persecution, the Church is growing faster than in areas with less persecution.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that you are not entitled to your beliefs, far be it to impose on your free will, but personally, when one rationally considers the evidence, the reasonable and rational belief is in the truth of Christianity.

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Flaim bait aside, I find this whole lust concept being a sin so confusing. Being homosexual a supposedly a sin, do I agree with that, no, but do I understand it, yes on the flip side however lusting after a woman is also considered a sin :shock:

I guess that means that only an asexual person can be sinless, oh wait they are a controdiction to the idea of a christian family so they are evil too. Okay so how does one avoid this sinning in this senerio?

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#144 darkguy_101
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No, i dont.

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#145 pis3rch
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[QUOTE="tycoonmike"]

[QUOTE="DarkSmokeNinja"]I just have faith in God, and believe that Jesus was crusified and rose again

DarkSmokeNinja

Then you do not know. You cannot be 100% sure that Christianity is theological truth.

Okay, I have questions to ask you and any other Atheist on this thread.

1. How did you think the Earth and everthing else was made?

2. Where do you think you go when you die?

3. Do you ever get a strange feeling that there is a higher and greater being?

1. Not sure, but dont care. I'd rather base any opinion i develop on the matter through scientific studies and observations. 2. In a hole in the ground for all i care. 3. Sometimes, but I don't automatically assume that if there is something out there that is greater, then it MUST be that guy from the bible.
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I believe in Zombie Jesus.
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Flaim bait aside, I find this whole lust concept being a sin so confusing. Being homosexual a supposedly a sin, do I agree with that, no, but do I understand it, yes on the flip side however lusting after a woman is also considered a sin :shock:

I guess that means that only an asexual person can be sinless, oh wait they are a controdiction to the idea of a christian family so they are evil too. Okay so how does one avoid this sinning in this senerio?

Power_47

If you read the definition of lust it's a rather extreme case...not general desire. Being a homosexual is not a sin.

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#148 tocool340
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No. Unless I see pics or ground proof that he rose from the dead, I doubt it happen. There could have been many reasons, but him rising from the dead IMO isn't one of them.

Anyone ever think that the fantastical events in the bible are metaphors or something like that ?

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I actually do. Much like Greek mythology.....
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i got a quick question, does it really matter whether you a catholic, christian, or lutheran? as far as im concerned, they all believe that jesus dies for our sins, all the christian religions worship the same thing.

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What matters is that you are a Christian; someone who has accepted Christ as their Savior and repented of their sins.

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[QUOTE="bogaty"]

Jesus never existed as anything other than a work of fiction.

blackregiment

In order for one not to believe that Jesus is God, that He was raised from the dead, which therefore proves that God exists, they would have to deny the truth of the empty tomb and the Resurrection. In addition, they would have to deny the fulfillment of hundreds of prophecies in Christ. .

They would have to believe that the Apostles and early Christians made up the resurrection account. This would require a rational explanation for why the Apostles and early Christians would willingly endure persecution and death for something they knew was a lie? The Apostles and early Christians were stoned, beheaded, boiled in oil, imprisoned, crucified, scourged, fed to lions, clothed in animal skins and then torn apart by wild beasts, tarred and lit on fire, disemboweled, burnt at the stake, etc., rather than recant their faith.

A rational explanation would be required as to why the Jewish Priests and Roman authorities that wanted so much to stamp out early Christianity, as evidenced by their persecution of Christians, chose not to display Jesus' body to disprove the claims of the followers of Christ that he had arose from the dead.

A rational explanation would be required for the dramatic change in the Apostles' behavior. They scattered and even denied knowing Jesus when He was arrested. After His death, they were crushed, in hiding, their Messiah put to death like a common criminal. Suddenly, after Jesus appeared to them there was a dramatic change. They began to openly preach the Gospel in the Temple in Jerusalem, the very city where Jesus was crucified. The very city where there were living eyewitnesses to the events that would have refuted them if they were lying. They were told to stop but defied the authorities. The endured persecution and ultimately death rather than recant their faith because they believed they saw, touched, and fellowshipped with the resurrected Jesus.

Also needing rational explanation would be why the Apostles were bold enough to preach the resurrection in Jerusalem, the very city where Christ was crucified, to crowds that lived during those events and could have easily disputed the resurrection claims publicly. If they were spreading a lie, why did they not go to some remote area where there were no eyewitnesses to the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ that could disputed their claims if they were lying?

Finally, one would need to explain why the early Church grew so quickly in a pagan world, especially when it was under intense persecution. Even today, in countries like North Korea and China, where Christians are under the most intense persecution, the Church is growing faster than in areas with less persecution.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that you are not entitled to your beliefs, far be it to impose on your free will, but personally, when one rationally considers the evidence, the reasonable and rational belief is in the truth of Christianity.

Yes, and in order to believe in the resurrection, one has to rationally believe that people can rise from the dead.