[QUOTE="swazidoughman"]
[QUOTE="DarkSmokeNinja"]Oh, I read the bible
DarkSmokeNinja
What makes you think it's a credible source?
Think?,Naw, I'm 100% sure that the Bible is trueHow do you justify your belief?
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[QUOTE="swazidoughman"]
[QUOTE="DarkSmokeNinja"]Oh, I read the bible
DarkSmokeNinja
What makes you think it's a credible source?
Think?,Naw, I'm 100% sure that the Bible is trueHow do you justify your belief?
Well Catholicism is derived from the teachings of Jesus Christ, because, like you have admitted, Catholics do profess a belief in the teachings of Christ. That is what makes them Catholic. Regardless if they will be saved or not, they are by definition Christian.No, it's not derived from Him. It is a cult-religion from Satan himself.
Yes, they do profess a belief in the teachings of Christ. But a profession does not save you. Grace, through faith in Christ is what saves you.Crushmaster
[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]Your morality? Really? Have you ever lied, lusted, stolen, had evil thoughts? foxhound_fox
Your signature image filled me with sinfull thoughts. How dare you! I had not lusted or violated ANY of God's commandments before you posted. In the few seconds following your post. I murdered a man slept with his wife AND stole a candy bar from a 7/11. I am so going to hell now.
Thanks alot for damning me to hell Foxhound Fox. Crushmaster? Looks like you bettersign me up for some of that Jebus. :P
[QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]
[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]
'kay, for the record, the Greek gods are much cooler than the Egyptian gods :P.
All hail almighty Zeus!
chessmaster1989
Thats BS
Anubis> Zeus
No way! Zeus would own Anubis in a fight any day 8).
/puts on thick glasses and uses nerd voice/ absolutely not, Anubis does +9000 damage and automatically sends level 70 + enemies to the Underworld
[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]
[QUOTE="Euroshinobi"] neither of you are, personaly i believe the egyptian gods to be the true gods :P, thats old school right there, jesus is new school, just a carbon copy of the old school, and stolen holidays
Euroshinobi
'kay, for the record, the Greek gods are much cooler than the Egyptian gods :P.
All hail almighty Zeus!
Japanese gods > Greek gods
i win
Also a Cyborg
[QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]
[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]
'kay, for the record, the Greek gods are much cooler than the Egyptian gods :P.
All hail almighty Zeus!
chessmaster1989
Thats BS
Anubis> Zeus
No way! Zeus would own Anubis in a fight any day 8).
your both wrong
Quetzalcoatl FTW!
[QUOTE="swazidoughman"]
[QUOTE="DarkSmokeNinja"]Oh, I read the bible
DarkSmokeNinja
What makes you think it's a credible source?
Think?,Naw, I'm 100% sure that the Bible is trueHow do you know it's true?
[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]
[QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]
Thats BS
Anubis> Zeus
Ingenemployee
No way! Zeus would own Anubis in a fight any day 8).
/puts on thick glasses and uses nerd voice/ absolutely not, Anubis does +9000 damage and automatically sends level 70 + enemies to the Underworld
*adopts nerdy voice*
Dude, no way, Zeu's power level is over 9000! He has the thunderbolt attack, which has a +25% damage bonus on Egyptian gods.
Your signature image filled me with sinfull thoughts. How dare you! I had not lusted or violated ANY of God's commandments before you posted.Thanks alot for damning me to hell Foxhound Fox.Crushmaster. Sign me up for some of that Jebus. :P
IndigoSunrise
Japanese gods > Greek Gods *pic of Raiden*EuroshinobiRaiden isn't a Japanese God, he's an Asian inspired (near that of Chinese) God :|
Think?,Naw, I'm 100% sure that the Bible is true[QUOTE="DarkSmokeNinja"]
[QUOTE="swazidoughman"]
What makes you think it's a credible source?
tycoonmike
How do you justify your belief?
I just have faith in God, and believe that Jesus was crusified and rose againOf course he has. Of course I have. We all have done evil in life, whether we want to admit to it or not. Including, despite your holier-than-thou attitude, yourself. You have no right to pass theological judgement on a human being, much as I have no right to pass theological judgement on a human being because you ARE human. You are flawed, just as I am, just as Jesus was, just as the authors of the Bible were, and just as every single human prophet, Christian or otherwise, was.tycoonmike
Is it imperative that we argue religion every day? Nonetheless, to answer the question....I'm Christian so do the math.
Think?,Naw, I'm 100% sure that the Bible is true[QUOTE="DarkSmokeNinja"]
[QUOTE="swazidoughman"]
What makes you think it's a credible source?
swazidoughman
How do you know it's true?
because I have faith in God.[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]
[QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]
Thats BS
Anubis> Zeus
legend26
No way! Zeus would own Anubis in a fight any day 8).
your both wrong
Quetzalcoatl FTW!
YOUR ALL WRONG! ALL HAIL XENU!
[QUOTE="tycoonmike"]
[QUOTE="DarkSmokeNinja"]Think?,Naw, I'm 100% sure that the Bible is true
DarkSmokeNinja
How do you justify your belief?
I just have faith in God, and believe that Jesus was crusified and rose againAnyone that is "100% sure that the Bible is true" is a lost cause. It's okay to be religious, but do you honestly have zero doubt that some of the Bible is a bit far-fetched, to say the least?
[QUOTE="tycoonmike"]
[QUOTE="DarkSmokeNinja"]Think?,Naw, I'm 100% sure that the Bible is true
DarkSmokeNinja
How do you justify your belief?
I just have faith in God, and believe that Jesus was crusified and rose againJust because have faith doesn't mean you can be sure that your faith is accurate.[QUOTE="tycoonmike"] Of course he has. Of course I have. We all have done evil in life, whether we want to admit to it or not. Including, despite your holier-than-thou attitude, yourself. You have no right to pass theological judgement on a human being, much as I have no right to pass theological judgement on a human being because you ARE human. You are flawed, just as I am, just as Jesus was, just as the authors of the Bible were, and just as every single human prophet, Christian or otherwise, was.
Crushmaster
Then you have absolutely no right to condemn anyone for believeing differently from you.
Was Jesus human?
[QUOTE="Euroshinobi"] Japanese gods > Greek Gods *pic of Raiden*martialbulletRaiden isn't a Japanese God, he's an Asian inspired (near that of Chinese) God :|
Raiden Aka Raijin in japanese, was a japanese god, when they had a religion "shinto", he was a god of thunder who always carried around a Thunder beast named Raiju honestly where do you think all these pokemon came from ? they are mostly mocks of the old religion in japan, Raiden is a mock of Raijin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raijin
[QUOTE="tycoonmike"]
[QUOTE="DarkSmokeNinja"]Think?,Naw, I'm 100% sure that the Bible is true
DarkSmokeNinja
How do you justify your belief?
I just have faith in God, and believe that Jesus was crusified and rose againThen you do not know. You cannot be 100% sure that Christianity is theological truth.
Well Catholicism is derived from the teachings of Jesus Christ, because, like you have admitted, Catholics do profess a belief in the teachings of Christ. That is what makes them Catholic. Regardless if they will be saved or not, they are by definition Christian.[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]
No, it's not derived from Him. It is a cult-religion from Satan himself.
Yes, they do profess a belief in the teachings of Christ. But a profession does not save you. Grace, through faith in Christ is what saves you.-Sun_Tzu-
I've been reading through this thread and I felt I should post this:
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Rikardur
that pretty much sums it up
[QUOTE="DarkSmokeNinja"]
[QUOTE="tycoonmike"]
How do you justify your belief?
I just have faith in God, and believe that Jesus was crusified and rose againJust because have faith doesn't mean you can be sure that your faith is accurate. Just know that I believe in God and I'm a Christain, and I don't ever intend on losing faith in God.Then you have absolutely no right to condemn anyone for believeing differently from you.
Was Jesus human?tycoonmike
Raiden isn't a Japanese God, he's an Asian inspired (near that of Chinese) God :|[QUOTE="martialbullet"][QUOTE="Euroshinobi"] Japanese gods > Greek Gods *pic of Raiden*Euroshinobi
Raiden Aka Raijin in japanese, was a japanese god, when they had a religion "shinto", he was a god of thunder who always carried around a Thunder beast named Raiju honestly where do you think all these pokemon came from ? they are mostly mocks of the old religion in japan, Raiden is a mock of Raijin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raijin
Well wadoya know, John Tobias is more clever than I had thought. I see I have underestimated him....this time >_>I just have faith in God, and believe that Jesus was crusified and rose again[QUOTE="DarkSmokeNinja"]
[QUOTE="tycoonmike"]
How do you justify your belief?
tycoonmike
Then you do not know. You cannot be 100% sure that Christianity is theological truth.
Okay, I have questions to ask you and any other Atheist on this thread.1. How did you think the Earth and everthing else was made?
2. Where do you think you go when you die?
3. Do you ever get a strange feeling that there is a higher and greater being?
[QUOTE="tycoonmike"] Then you have absolutely no right to condemn anyone for believeing differently from you.
Was Jesus human?Crushmaster
You are proselytising God's "Word," thus you are, by extension, condemning people. Is that not God's job?
So then that makes Jesus both flawed and unflawed?
Well Catholicism is derived from the teachings of Jesus Christ, because, like you have admitted, Catholics do profess a belief in the teachings of Christ. That is what makes them Catholic. Regardless if they will be saved or not, they are by definition Christian.[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]
[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]
No, it's not derived from Him. It is a cult-religion from Satan himself.
Yes, they do profess a belief in the teachings of Christ. But a profession does not save you. Grace, through faith in Christ is what saves you.Crushmaster
[QUOTE="tycoonmike"]
[QUOTE="DarkSmokeNinja"]I just have faith in God, and believe that Jesus was crusified and rose again
DarkSmokeNinja
Then you do not know. You cannot be 100% sure that Christianity is theological truth.
Okay, I have questions to ask you and any other Atheist on this thread.1. How did you think the Earth and everthing else was made?
2. Where do you think you go when you die?
3. Do you ever get a strange feeling that there is a higher and greater being?
1) I am uncertain, but I'm rather sure it wasn't created by a wizard that was a carbon copy of earlier religions.
2) I become fertilizer.
3) No.
Okay, I have questions to ask you and any other Atheist on this thread.1. How did you think the Earth and everthing else was made?
2. Where do you think you go when you die?
3. Do you ever get a strange feeling that there is a higher and greater being?
DarkSmokeNinja
[QUOTE="tycoonmike"]
[QUOTE="DarkSmokeNinja"]I just have faith in God, and believe that Jesus was crusified and rose again
DarkSmokeNinja
Then you do not know. You cannot be 100% sure that Christianity is theological truth.
Okay, I have questions to ask you and any other Atheist on this thread.1. How did you think the Earth and everthing else was made?
2. Where do you think you go when you die?
3. Do you ever get a strange feeling that there is a higher and greater being?
1. I don't really know. I'd speculate that matter or energy, in some form, has always existed.
2. We just die. There is nothing after. I'd predict it's something like a dreamless sleep from which you never wake up.
3. No.
Okay, I have questions to ask you and any other Atheist on this thread.
1. How did you think the Earth and everthing else was made?
2. Where do you think you go when you die?
3. Do you ever get a strange feeling that there is a higher and greater being?
DarkSmokeNinja
First of all, I am not an athiest. I believe in the theology of Abraham combined with the philosophy of Lao-Tsu.
As such, I will answer your questions:
1. I believe God created the heavens and the earth, but allowed life to spread instead of going poof and having all the animals appear at once. This is thiestic evolution.
2. I don't know. It is the job of the Almighty to judge me worthy or unworthy of moving on, so I cannot answer this question accurately.
3. Every moment of my life, yes.
You are proselytising God's "Word," thus you are, by extension, condemning people. Is that not God's job?So then that makes Jesus both flawed and unflawed? tycoonmike
[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Well Catholicism is derived from the teachings of Jesus Christ, because, like you have admitted, Catholics do profess a belief in the teachings of Christ. That is what makes them Catholic. Regardless if they will be saved or not, they are by definition Christian.
-Sun_Tzu-
i got a quick question, does it really matter whether you a catholic, christian, or lutheran? as far as im concerned, they all believe that jesus dies for our sins, all the christian religions worship the same thing.
Jesus never existed as anything other than a work of fiction.
bogaty
In order for one not to believe that Jesus is God, that He was raised from the dead, which therefore proves that God exists, they would have to deny the truth of the empty tomb and the Resurrection. In addition, they would have to deny the fulfillment of hundreds of prophecies in Christ. .
They would have to believe that the Apostles and early Christians made up the resurrection account. This would require a rational explanation for why the Apostles and early Christians would willingly endure persecution and death for something they knew was a lie? The Apostles and early Christians were stoned, beheaded, boiled in oil, imprisoned, crucified, scourged, fed to lions, clothed in animal skins and then torn apart by wild beasts, tarred and lit on fire, disemboweled, burnt at the stake, etc., rather than recant their faith.
A rational explanation would be required as to why the Jewish Priests and Roman authorities that wanted so much to stamp out early Christianity, as evidenced by their persecution of Christians, chose not to display Jesus' body to disprove the claims of the followers of Christ that he had arose from the dead.
A rational explanation would be required for the dramatic change in the Apostles' behavior. They scattered and even denied knowing Jesus when He was arrested. After His death, they were crushed, in hiding, their Messiah put to death like a common criminal. Suddenly, after Jesus appeared to them there was a dramatic change. They began to openly preach the Gospel in the Temple in Jerusalem, the very city where Jesus was crucified. The very city where there were living eyewitnesses to the events that would have refuted them if they were lying. They were told to stop but defied the authorities. The endured persecution and ultimately death rather than recant their faith because they believed they saw, touched, and fellowshipped with the resurrected Jesus.
Also needing rational explanation would be why the Apostles were bold enough to preach the resurrection in Jerusalem, the very city where Christ was crucified, to crowds that lived during those events and could have easily disputed the resurrection claims publicly. If they were spreading a lie, why did they not go to some remote area where there were no eyewitnesses to the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ that could disputed their claims if they were lying?
Finally, one would need to explain why the early Church grew so quickly in a pagan world, especially when it was under intense persecution. Even today, in countries like North Korea and China, where Christians are under the most intense persecution, the Church is growing faster than in areas with less persecution.
Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that you are not entitled to your beliefs, far be it to impose on your free will, but personally, when one rationally considers the evidence, the reasonable and rational belief is in the truth of Christianity.
Flaim bait aside, I find this whole lust concept being a sin so confusing. Being homosexual a supposedly a sin, do I agree with that, no, but do I understand it, yes on the flip side however lusting after a woman is also considered a sin :shock:
I guess that means that only an asexual person can be sinless, oh wait they are a controdiction to the idea of a christian family so they are evil too. Okay so how does one avoid this sinning in this senerio?
[QUOTE="tycoonmike"]
[QUOTE="DarkSmokeNinja"]I just have faith in God, and believe that Jesus was crusified and rose again
DarkSmokeNinja
Then you do not know. You cannot be 100% sure that Christianity is theological truth.
Okay, I have questions to ask you and any other Atheist on this thread.1. How did you think the Earth and everthing else was made?
2. Where do you think you go when you die?
3. Do you ever get a strange feeling that there is a higher and greater being?
1. Not sure, but dont care. I'd rather base any opinion i develop on the matter through scientific studies and observations. 2. In a hole in the ground for all i care. 3. Sometimes, but I don't automatically assume that if there is something out there that is greater, then it MUST be that guy from the bible.If you read the definition of lust it's a rather extreme case...not general desire. Being a homosexual is not a sin.Flaim bait aside, I find this whole lust concept being a sin so confusing. Being homosexual a supposedly a sin, do I agree with that, no, but do I understand it, yes on the flip side however lusting after a woman is also considered a sin :shock:
I guess that means that only an asexual person can be sinless, oh wait they are a controdiction to the idea of a christian family so they are evil too. Okay so how does one avoid this sinning in this senerio?
Power_47
I actually do. Much like Greek mythology.....Anyone ever think that the fantastical events in the bible are metaphors or something like that ?
swazidoughman
i got a quick question, does it really matter whether you a catholic, christian, or lutheran? as far as im concerned, they all believe that jesus dies for our sins, all the christian religions worship the same thing.
Neo-ganon
[QUOTE="bogaty"]
Jesus never existed as anything other than a work of fiction.
blackregiment
In order for one not to believe that Jesus is God, that He was raised from the dead, which therefore proves that God exists, they would have to deny the truth of the empty tomb and the Resurrection. In addition, they would have to deny the fulfillment of hundreds of prophecies in Christ. .
They would have to believe that the Apostles and early Christians made up the resurrection account. This would require a rational explanation for why the Apostles and early Christians would willingly endure persecution and death for something they knew was a lie? The Apostles and early Christians were stoned, beheaded, boiled in oil, imprisoned, crucified, scourged, fed to lions, clothed in animal skins and then torn apart by wild beasts, tarred and lit on fire, disemboweled, burnt at the stake, etc., rather than recant their faith.
A rational explanation would be required as to why the Jewish Priests and Roman authorities that wanted so much to stamp out early Christianity, as evidenced by their persecution of Christians, chose not to display Jesus' body to disprove the claims of the followers of Christ that he had arose from the dead.
A rational explanation would be required for the dramatic change in the Apostles' behavior. They scattered and even denied knowing Jesus when He was arrested. After His death, they were crushed, in hiding, their Messiah put to death like a common criminal. Suddenly, after Jesus appeared to them there was a dramatic change. They began to openly preach the Gospel in the Temple in Jerusalem, the very city where Jesus was crucified. The very city where there were living eyewitnesses to the events that would have refuted them if they were lying. They were told to stop but defied the authorities. The endured persecution and ultimately death rather than recant their faith because they believed they saw, touched, and fellowshipped with the resurrected Jesus.
Also needing rational explanation would be why the Apostles were bold enough to preach the resurrection in Jerusalem, the very city where Christ was crucified, to crowds that lived during those events and could have easily disputed the resurrection claims publicly. If they were spreading a lie, why did they not go to some remote area where there were no eyewitnesses to the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ that could disputed their claims if they were lying?
Finally, one would need to explain why the early Church grew so quickly in a pagan world, especially when it was under intense persecution. Even today, in countries like North Korea and China, where Christians are under the most intense persecution, the Church is growing faster than in areas with less persecution.
Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that you are not entitled to your beliefs, far be it to impose on your free will, but personally, when one rationally considers the evidence, the reasonable and rational belief is in the truth of Christianity.
Yes, and in order to believe in the resurrection, one has to rationally believe that people can rise from the dead.
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