Did Jesus Christ Sin? (Poll)

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]Watch 'The Lost Tomb of Jesus' on youtube. Apparently his family plot has been found. Mary Magdallen is one of the tombs in the plot. She was not a member of his immediate family. Therefor she must have been his wife. They also had a son together that was withheld from the Romans and the scripture so as to protect him. Crushmaster

[QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"] Ok, I want to say that I am a Christian and I say yes. In the New Testament, people like to glorify Jesus as God, as god himself, the perfect savior, but what people like to ignore is his human/mortal nature. In the New testament, there are passages where Jesus's human nature is reflected with his action, such as him not being aware of whos around him, or when he left his parents for 3 days to the holy temple. His parents were pissed. He was scold for those things. So yes because though he is the son of god in flesh form, he is human too and most people disregard that and I don't knoe why :roll: These are examples of how people misunderstand the testement and like to sugar coat it as their own. Basically they are not happy if its not what they want to hearCrushmaster

But its written right there in the New Testament. I am only acknowledging that he had a human side to him. His humanity was also mentioned from his actions. He is the son of god delivering the scriptures from god to mortal man, but he himself has mortal attributes to him. He may not committed direct sin, but remember, he did run away from his parents for three days :lol: tell me that that is not punishable

That has also been totally discredited. Still waiting for your historical evidence....

blackregiment

I voted "I don't know" because I'm not convinced he existed. If he did, he certainly sinned by the Bible's definition.btaylor2404

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

I don't accept that premise. There are over 4000 Old Testament manuscripts or fragments. 25,000 New Testament manuscripts or fragments, thousands of lectionaries, numerous early Bible versions, and thousands of writings from the early Church leaders, that support the text we have today. In fact, the entire New Testament can be reconstructed, minus about a dozen verses from the writing of the early Church leaders, alone. This evidence supports the text we have today to an over 95% accuracy. The differences are mainly in punctuation and spelling and none of the differences affect any important Christian doctrine.

Here is some more information.

http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-corrupted.html

blackregiment

Reread my post. The Bible we have today is the inerrant, inspired Word of God.

[QUOTE="Eddie5vs1"] I disagree. As you stated in your OP, your goal is evangelism, which isn't a discussion at all. Crushmaster

If Jesus really was the son of god, then he shouldn't of sinned. If he was really just a regular guy though, then sure, everybody makes mistakes and errors.

Discredited by whom may I ask? Believers? 'biblical evidence'? BumFluff122

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"] Discredited by whom may I ask? Believers? 'biblical evidence'? Crushmaster

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]Watch 'The Lost Tomb of Jesus' on youtube. Apparently his family plot has been found. Mary Magdallen is one of the tombs in the plot. She was not a member of his immediate family. Therefor she must have been his wife. They also had a son together that was withheld from the Romans and the scripture so as to protect him. Crushmaster

That's right. Here is some more information on it.

http://www.whyfaith.com/jesus-tomb/

But its written right there in the New Testament. I am only acknowledging that he had a human side to him. His humanity was also mentioned from his actions. He is the son of god delivering the scriptures from god to mortal man, but he himself has mortal attributes to him. He may not committed direct sin, but remember, he did run away from his parents for three days :lol: tell me that that is not punishable Kamekazi_69

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]

Watch 'The Lost Tomb of Jesus' on youtube. Apparently his family plot has been found. Mary Magdallen is one of the tombs in the plot. She was not a member of his immediate family. Therefor she must have been his wife. They also had a son together that was withheld from the Romans and the scripture so as to protect him. BumFluff122

That's right. Here is some more information on it.

http://www.whyfaith.com/jesus-tomb/

No he didn't sin, and I believe that beyond reasonable doubt. Jesus did take on flesh, and he did get tempted, and he never fell to any of those temptations because he had the Holy Spirit in him. He had God in him and he's also man. Jesus is a God man, and that's one of the most fundamental aspects of Christ.hiphops_savior

Amen to that. Jesus was fully God and fully man. One in person, two in essence.

like who? And why do they consider it a hoax? Yoiu'll need quite a lot more information and evidence as to why it should be considered a hoax rather than your thoughts and beliefs and the beliefs of others who have not seen the tomb or studied the find it great detail. BumFluff122

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]Watch 'The Lost Tomb of Jesus' on youtube. Apparently his family plot has been found. Mary Magdallen is one of the tombs in the plot. She was not a member of his immediate family. Therefor she must have been his wife. They also had a son together that was withheld from the Romans and the scripture so as to protect him. blackregiment

That's right. Here is some more information on it.

http://www.whyfaith.com/jesus-tomb/

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]like who? And why do they consider it a hoax? Yoiu'll need quite a lot more information and evidence as to why it should be considered a hoax rather than your thoughts and beliefs and the beliefs of others who have not seen the tomb or studied the find it great detail. Crushmaster

Besides, Crush, what is the actual point of this thread?chessmaster1989

I have a question, how come original sin isn't applicable to Jesus?-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"] But its written right there in the New Testament. I am only acknowledging that he had a human side to him. His humanity was also mentioned from his actions. He is the son of god delivering the scriptures from god to mortal man, but he himself has mortal attributes to him. He may not committed direct sin, but remember, he did run away from his parents for three days :lol: tell me that that is not punishable Crushmaster

Because Jesus embraced himself as the son of God? Correct, but that doesnt answer punishment. Think about it, when his mother and father found Jesus in the temple. I do not think it was like "Oh son, We have weeped for you, where thou you have been?", its more like "Jesus! Where Were YOU! we were worried sick!!". Don't let me add that when Jesus said "wist ye not that I must be about my fathers business?" his dad was raising his hand in anger while his mother held him back. He was embraced the son of god, but his parents did not know that

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]Besides, Crush, what is the actual point of this thread?Locke562

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]
If that is the same tomb of Jesus thing I am thinking of, even secular archaeologists and such believed it to be a major hoax...

Eddie5vs1

That's right. Here is some more information on it.

http://www.whyfaith.com/jesus-tomb/

Here is some more information.

http://www.garyhabermas.com/articles/The_Lost_Tomb_of_Jesus/losttombofjesus_response.htm

That's laughable. First you post a website who's main purpose is to evagelise. Second everything mentioned in the article was stated clearly in the video itself in depth as well as the reasoning behind each one. BumFluff122

I have a question, how come original sin isn't applicable to Jesus?-Sun_Tzu-

Because Jesus is God manifested in the flesh. God is without sin.

[QUOTE="Eddie5vs1"][QUOTE="blackregiment"]

That's right. Here is some more information on it.

http://www.whyfaith.com/jesus-tomb/

blackregiment

Here is some more information.

http://www.garyhabermas.com/articles/The_Lost_Tomb_of_Jesus/losttombofjesus_response.htm

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]I have a question, how come original sin isn't applicable to Jesus?blackregiment

Because Jesus is God manifested in the flesh. God is without sin.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]I have a question, how come original sin isn't applicable to Jesus?Locke562

Thirded. I can't see how Jesus could avoid that one.

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"] That's laughable. First you post a website who's main purpose is to evagelise. Second everything mentioned in the article was stated clearly in the video itself in depth as well as the reasoning behind each one. Crushmaster

[QUOTE="Eddie5vs1"][QUOTE="blackregiment"]

That's right. Here is some more information on it.

http://www.whyfaith.com/jesus-tomb/

Here is some more information.

http://www.garyhabermas.com/articles/The_Lost_Tomb_of_Jesus/losttombofjesus_response.htm

I have a question, how come original sin isn't applicable to Jesus?-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]like who? And why do they consider it a hoax? Yoiu'll need quite a lot more information and evidence as to why it should be considered a hoax rather than your thoughts and beliefs and the beliefs of others who have not seen the tomb or studied the find it great detail. Eddie5vs1

That's pretty ironic. You don't seem to think that the producers of the documentary were biased, trying to disprove that Jesus rose from the dead, yet anyone refuting it is biased. That's a good one.

The only tomb that people need to concern themselves with is the empty tomb.

"Dr. Simon Greenleaf, the Royal Professor of Law at Harvard University and author of A Treatise on the Law of Evidence, believed the Resurrection of Jesus Christ was a hoax. He was determined, once and for all, to expose the "myth" of the Resurrection. He examined the value of the historical evidence for the resurrection of Jesus Christ to ascertain the truth. He applied the principles contained in his three-volume treatise on evidence. His findings were recorded in his book, An Examination of the Testimony of the Four Evangelists by the Rules of Evidence Administered in the Courts of Justice. He came to the conclusion that, according to the laws of legal evidence used in courts of law, there is more evidence for the historical fact of the resurrection of Jesus Christ than for just about any other event in ancient history.

Dr. Greenleaf was so convinced by the overwhelming evidence; he committed his life to Jesus Christ!" source: Evidence that Demands a Verdict

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="Eddie5vs1"] :roll: I'm not saying the tomb is real, but can I have a less biased source (like one with science behind it and not an agenda)?Eddie5vs1

Here is some more information.

http://www.garyhabermas.com/articles/The_Lost_Tomb_of_Jesus/losttombofjesus_response.htm

have you even watched the video? I actually have it on DVD. It lasts about an hour and a half. BumFluff122

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] I have a question, how come original sin isn't applicable to Jesus?Crushmaster

Fourth commandment:

4.- Honor your father and mother.

Jesus ran away from his parents to go to a church. Don't you think that they were dishonored, not only by people that lived near him but by people on the church he was? What is that child doing here without his parents? Those parents are bad, they let their kid go run away!

Since we are discussing tombs, here is a article that discusses the real tomb that matters, the empty tomb of Jesus Christ and it impact it had and will have.

"There are "many infallible proofs" of the bodily resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ, but the testimony of the empty tomb is the most conclusive of all. Jesus had been buried, with the tomb sealed and guarded by a watch of Roman soldiers. Yet on the third day of His burial, on the morning of the first day of the week, the body was no longer there, and the empty tomb still stands today as an unanswerable proof that the Lord Jesus rose from the dead.

There are other proofs, of course. The ten or more recorded appearances of the resurrected Christ to His disciples, the amazing change of demeanor of the disciples from that of fearful hideaways to fearless evangelists, the worldwide spread of the Christian faith as founded on the resurrection, and so on. But the impact of the empty tomb was the foundation and bulwark of all the rest. As we consider its impact on the world, and on us today, it is instructively fascinating to consider first its impact on those who first encountered it."

I encourage you to read the entire article here...

http://www.icr.org/home/resources/resources_tracts_impactoftheemptytomb/

Because Jesus embraced himself as the son of God? Correct, but that doesnt answer punishment. Think about it, when his mother and father found Jesus in the temple. I do not think it was like "Oh son, We have weeped for you, where thou you have been?", its more like "Jesus! Where Were YOU! we were worried sick!!". Don't let me add that when Jesus said "wist ye not that I must be about my fathers business?" his dad was raising his hand in anger while his mother held him back. He was embraced the son of god, but his parents did not know that Kamekazi_69

That's pretty ironic. You don't seem to think that the producers of the documentary were biased, trying to disprove that Jesus rose from the dead, yet anyone refuting it is biased. That's a good one.

The only tomb that people need to concern themselves with is the empty tomb.

"Dr. Simon Greenleaf, the Royal Professor of Law at Harvard University and author of A Treatise on the Law of Evidence, believed the Resurrection of Jesus Christ was a hoax. He was determined, once and for all, to expose the "myth" of the Resurrection. He examined the value of the historical evidence for the resurrection of Jesus Christ to ascertain the truth. He applied the principles contained in his three-volume treatise on evidence. His findings were recorded in his book, An Examination of the Testimony of the Four Evangelists by the Rules of Evidence Administered in the Courts of Justice. He came to the conclusion that, according to the laws of legal evidence used in courts of law, there is more evidence for the historical fact of the resurrection of Jesus Christ than for just about any other event in ancient history.

Dr. Greenleaf was so convinced by the overwhelming evidence; he committed his life to Jesus Christ!" source: Evidence that Demands a Verdict

blackregiment

I never said the documentary was true, and I think those who provided that as evidence also need to provide unbiased evidence of its authenticity. In regard to the empty tomb comment, that's your opinion. I would like to see all sides of an argument and all evidence before making a decision.

Also, I never said Dr. Greenleaf wasn't a bad man, I said he was biased. He has strong convictions that the Bible is accurate (I'm not saying it isn't), but that conviction doesn't allow him to be neutral in terms of evidence.

edit~ Lastly, just because I'm refuting your evidence doesn't mean you need to demean by thoughts and opinions. Honestly though, when someone is running out of "proof" or evidence is a debate, the first thing they will do is often attack the other speaker. I'm not arguing with your asertions, I'm simply asking for unbiased evidence.

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"] have you even watched the video? I actually have it on DVD. It lasts about an hour and a half. Crushmaster

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] I have a question, how come original sin isn't applicable to Jesus?-Sun_Tzu-

Fourth commandment:4.- Honor your father and mother.

Jesus ran away from his parents to go to a church. Don't you think that they were dishonored, not only by people that lived near him but by people on the church he was? What is that child doing here without his parents? Those parents are bad, they let their kid go run away!

darkguy_101

anyways I am off to play Sims 3. I believe God would want you to buy this game :P

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

That's pretty ironic. You don't seem to think that the producers of the documentary were biased, trying to disprove that Jesus rose from the dead, yet anyone refuting it is biased. That's a good one.

The only tomb that people need to concern themselves with is the empty tomb.

"Dr. Simon Greenleaf, the Royal Professor of Law at Harvard University and author of A Treatise on the Law of Evidence, believed the Resurrection of Jesus Christ was a hoax. He was determined, once and for all, to expose the "myth" of the Resurrection. He examined the value of the historical evidence for the resurrection of Jesus Christ to ascertain the truth. He applied the principles contained in his three-volume treatise on evidence. His findings were recorded in his book, An Examination of the Testimony of the Four Evangelists by the Rules of Evidence Administered in the Courts of Justice. He came to the conclusion that, according to the laws of legal evidence used in courts of law, there is more evidence for the historical fact of the resurrection of Jesus Christ than for just about any other event in ancient history.

Dr. Greenleaf was so convinced by the overwhelming evidence; he committed his life to Jesus Christ!" source: Evidence that Demands a Verdict

Eddie5vs1

I provided two sources that refute the biased claims of the producers of the documentary. If that is not sufficient, then I suggest you do your own research. There is a wealth of information available but I do not feel burdened to be a research assistant. If you want more information, I suggest you research the matter yourself.

its funny how when crushmaster makes a thread, br also swoops in. its like they PM each other "hey, BR I'm about to post a thread in OT, come help me out bro"lonewolf604