Conservative Kansas Group Claims Teaching Science is Unconstitutional

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#1 Makhaidos
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http://www.kansascity.com/2013/09/26/4510659/lawsuit-filed-in-kan-to-block.html

The suit further argues that state would be "indoctrinating" impressionable students in violation of the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution's protections for religious freedom.

See, America, this is why we can't have nice things.

Link to actual suit.

 

 

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I feel fvcking bad for their children.

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I'll never understand crazy people... They're just too confusing.
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lol Kansas
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The only issue for debate I can see is if the school tries to pass a theory as a fact, for example gravity.
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#6 mahlasor
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  Well global warming shouldnt be taught as fact when there is plenty of arguements against it.  Same as Evolution, it really is not an science, it is more of an hypothesis.  

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Crazies gonna craze.

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#8 WickedChainy
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  Well global warming shouldnt be taught as fact when there is plenty of arguements against it.  Same as Evolution, it really is not an science, it is more of an hypothesis.  

mahlasor
I don't think you understand Science...
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#9 Makhaidos
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  Well global warming shouldnt be taught as fact when there is plenty of arguements against it.  Same as Evolution, it really is not an science, it is more of an hypothesis.  

mahlasor
The only arguments against both are "nuh-uh" and "teh Bible."
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#10 deactivated-5e9044657a310
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  Well global warming shouldnt be taught as fact when there is plenty of arguements against it.  Same as Evolution, it really is not an science, it is more of an hypothesis.  

mahlasor
:Facepalm: Sure teaching Science is Indoctrination, yet forcing kids to say the Pledge every day that includes the phrase "Under God" is not..... Conservatives :Shakes my head:
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Crazies gonna craze.

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#12 lostrib
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  Well global warming shouldnt be taught as fact when there is plenty of arguements against it.  Same as Evolution, it really is not an science, it is more of an hypothesis.  

mahlasor

are you serious?

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#13 lostrib
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The only issue for debate I can see is if the school tries to pass a theory as a fact, for example gravity.Fightingfan

a scientific theory is very different from the common usage of the word "theory"

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I wish I could be surprised by this.
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The only issue for debate I can see is if the school tries to pass a theory as a fact, for example gravity.Fightingfan
Are you really saying schools shouldn't teach about gravity as fact? :lol:

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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]The only issue for debate I can see is if the school tries to pass a theory as a fact, for example gravity.Pirate700

Are you really saying schools shouldn't teach about gravity as fact? :lol:

I took his statement as sarcasm
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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]The only issue for debate I can see is if the school tries to pass a theory as a fact, for example gravity.Pirate700

Are you really saying schools shouldn't teach about gravity as fact? :lol:

Gravity sounds like pseudo-scientific BS to me.
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#18 Pirate700
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]The only issue for debate I can see is if the school tries to pass a theory as a fact, for example gravity.chessmaster1989

Are you really saying schools shouldn't teach about gravity as fact? :lol:

Gravity sounds like pseudo-scientific BS to me.

True. *starts floating*

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#19 mahlasor
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[QUOTE="mahlasor"]

  Well global warming shouldnt be taught as fact when there is plenty of arguements against it.  Same as Evolution, it really is not an science, it is more of an hypothesis.  

Nuck81

:Facepalm: Sure teaching Science is Indoctrination, yet forcing kids to say the Pledge every day that includes the phrase "Under God" is not..... Conservatives :Shakes my head:

  We already got a bible that you can read on your own, we got the internet, public schools are pointless.  

edit: so what I am sayying is...  Do we really need public schools teaching stuff that we can learn on our own?

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#20 br0kenrabbit
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  Well global warming shouldnt be taught as fact when there is plenty of arguements against it.  Same as Evolution, it really is not an science, it is more of an hypothesis.  

mahlasor

Are you from Kansas?

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#21 mahlasor
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[QUOTE="mahlasor"]

  Well global warming shouldnt be taught as fact when there is plenty of arguements against it.  Same as Evolution, it really is not an science, it is more of an hypothesis.  

WickedChainy

I don't think you understand Science...

  Uhhh..  Jumping to conclusions are you?

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[QUOTE="WickedChainy"][QUOTE="mahlasor"]

  Well global warming shouldnt be taught as fact when there is plenty of arguements against it.  Same as Evolution, it really is not an science, it is more of an hypothesis.  

mahlasor

I don't think you understand Science...

  Uhhh..  Jumping to conclusions are you?

you called Evolution a hypothesis

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  Well global warming shouldnt be taught as fact when there is plenty of arguements against it.  Same as Evolution, it really is not an science, it is more of an hypothesis.  

mahlasor

No valid arguments against the theory of evolution have ever been uttered, it's pretty much the most well substantiated field of all of science. A scientific theory is a well substantiated description for an empirically observed fact (a law). It is not a simple idea. And pretty much the same goes for climate change, it's just no where near as well understood.

'An' is only used infront of words with vowels, as you may (or may not) know 's' and 'h' are 'not vowels'.

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  Well global warming shouldnt be taught as fact when there is plenty of arguements against it.  Same as Evolution, it really is not an science, it is more of an hypothesis.  

mahlasor

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#25 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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LOL Republicans

edit: oh wow, they're not officially republicans. in that case, LOL social cons

 

 

 

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#27 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

LOL Republicans

edit: oh wow, they're not officially republicans. in that case, LOL social cons

 

 

 

Pirate700

This isn't a republican thing, but ok...

Wouldn't surprise me if it was considering how crazy they are now.

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#28 Shadow4020
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They can teach their kids that if they want, but don't dumb down the public school system; find a private school or something.

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#29 worlock77
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  Well global warming shouldnt be taught as fact when there is plenty of arguements against it.  Same as Evolution, it really is not an science, it is more of an hypothesis.  

mahlasor

You're kind of dumb, you know that?

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#30 lostrib
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

LOL Republicans

edit: oh wow, they're not officially republicans. in that case, LOL social cons

 

 

 

Aljosa23

This isn't a republican thing, but ok...

Wouldn't surprise me if it was considering how crazy they are now.

liberals are equally crazy.  There are a lot of people that over do it when it comes to social issues

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'An' is only used infront of words with vowels, as you may (or may not) know 's' and 'h' are 'not vowels'.

Inconsistancy

The English language is full of exceptions. A word with a silent h such as in honest is one such exception.

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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]This isn't a republican thing, but ok...

lostrib

Wouldn't surprise me if it was considering how crazy they are now.

liberals are equally crazy.

At least not mainstream political groups. Quit trying to seem like an unbiased third party.

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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

LOL Republicans

edit: oh wow, they're not officially republicans. in that case, LOL social cons

 

 

 

Aljosa23

This isn't a republican thing, but ok...

Wouldn't surprise me if it was considering how crazy they are now.

The lunacy of hardcore social conservatism knows no one party.

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#34 mahlasor
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[QUOTE="mahlasor"]

  Well global warming shouldnt be taught as fact when there is plenty of arguements against it.  Same as Evolution, it really is not an science, it is more of an hypothesis.  

Inconsistancy

No valid arguments against the theory of evolution have ever been uttered, it's pretty much the most well substantiated field of all of science. A scientific theory is a well substantiated description for an empirically observed fact (a law). It is not a simple idea. And pretty much the same goes for climate change, it's just no where near as well understood.

'An' is only used infront of words with vowels, as you may (or may not) know 's' and 'h' are 'not vowels'.

  What makes Global Warming true?  Ice cap melting, well they also grow, its called fluctuating, so I just uttered a refutation, but you probably already knew that.  What you got is confimation bias.  I had this conversation that five cups of coffee cant be healthy every day, but my mom refuses to believe that.  I could show her an article that states it, but she refuses to listen because she has been so used to her thinking.  She doesnt want to change her mind, because she has to admit she has been wrong for a long time.

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#35 mahlasor
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[QUOTE="mahlasor"]

  Well global warming shouldnt be taught as fact when there is plenty of arguements against it.  Same as Evolution, it really is not an science, it is more of an hypothesis.  

worlock77

You're kind of dumb, you know that?

  No I do not, how so?  Because I said something you did not like?  You know what fallacy that is?

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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="mahlasor"]

  Well global warming shouldnt be taught as fact when there is plenty of arguements against it.  Same as Evolution, it really is not an science, it is more of an hypothesis.  

mahlasor

You're kind of dumb, you know that?

  No I do not, how so?  Because I said something you did not like?  You know what fallacy that is?

Nice ninja edit... :P

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[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="mahlasor"]

Well global warming shouldnt be taught as fact when there is plenty of arguements against it. Same as Evolution, it really is not an science, it is more of an hypothesis.

mahlasor

:Facepalm: Sure teaching Science is Indoctrination, yet forcing kids to say the Pledge every day that includes the phrase "Under God" is not..... Conservatives :Shakes my head:

We already got a bible that you can read on your own, we got the internet, public schools are pointless.

edit: so what I am sayying is... Do we really need public schools teaching stuff that we can learn on our own?

Not everyone has internet you moron.

And no, evolution is not a hypothesis.

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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]This isn't a republican thing, but ok...

Pirate700

Wouldn't surprise me if it was considering how crazy they are now.

The lunacy of hardcore social conservatism knows no one party.

LOL keep telling yourself that, man.

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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="mahlasor"]

  Well global warming shouldnt be taught as fact when there is plenty of arguements against it.  Same as Evolution, it really is not an science, it is more of an hypothesis.  

mahlasor

You're kind of dumb, you know that?

  No I do not, how so?  Because I said something you did not like?  You know what fallacy that is?

No, because you make shit tons of flat out dumb posts. Your posts in this thread are simply a case-in-point. You're trying to speak about science while demonstrating that you don't really have any understand of basic concepts like the difference between a hypothesis and a theory.

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#40 Pirate700
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]Wouldn't surprise me if it was considering how crazy they are now.

Aljosa23

The lunacy of hardcore social conservatism knows no one party.

LOL keep telling yourself that, man.

I'm not sure you know how many democrats in this country are extremely religious and socially Conservative.

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  Well global warming shouldnt be taught as fact when there is plenty of arguements against it.  Same as Evolution, it really is not an science, it is more of an hypothesis.  

mahlasor

Kids, stay in school.

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#42 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]The lunacy of hardcore social conservatism knows no one party.

Pirate700

LOL keep telling yourself that, man.

I'm not sure you know how many democrats in this country are extremely religious and socially Conservative.

Okay.

And how many of them are in control of the party?

 

 

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#43 Pirate700
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]LOL keep telling yourself that, man.

Aljosa23

I'm not sure you know how many democrats in this country are extremely religious and socially Conservative.

Okay.

And how many of them are in control of the party?

 

 

Hard to say who actually believes what in either party. Politicians typically have to follow their parties cookie cutter mold in the public eye.

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  Well global warming shouldnt be taught as fact when there is plenty of arguements against it.  Same as Evolution, it really is not an science, it is more of an hypothesis.  

mahlasor
Troll.
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#45 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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Hard to say who actually believes what in either party. Politicians typically have to follow their parties cookie cutter mold in the public eye.

Pirate700

That doesn't really answer the question. :P

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#46 Pirate700
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

Hard to say who actually believes what in either party. Politicians typically have to follow their parties cookie cutter mold in the public eye.

Aljosa23

That doesn't really answer the question. :P

That's because I can't since I don't know them personally. :P

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[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="mahlasor"]

  Well global warming shouldnt be taught as fact when there is plenty of arguements against it.  Same as Evolution, it really is not an science, it is more of an hypothesis.  

mahlasor

:Facepalm: Sure teaching Science is Indoctrination, yet forcing kids to say the Pledge every day that includes the phrase "Under God" is not..... Conservatives :Shakes my head:

  We already got a bible that you can read on your own, we got the internet, public schools are pointless.  

edit: so what I am sayying is...  Do we really need public schools teaching stuff that we can learn on our own?

Yes, yes we do.

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#48 Wolf-Man2006
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How is teaching Evolution promoting Atheism?. These guys are probably the same ones that make a big deal about Creationism not being taught in schools

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#49 Serraph105
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:lol: idiots.

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  Well global warming shouldnt be taught as fact when there is plenty of arguements against it.  Same as Evolution, it really is not an science, it is more of an hypothesis.  

mahlasor

oh you.

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"One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If weve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. Were no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. Its simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that weve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back."