SNES vs Sega Genesis/Mega Drive [poll added]

Then... why is it called Sonic the Hedgehog? I know it is not the same exact game, but then again, it does not deserve to be so closely related to the real deal. Of course it will not have the same levels, the Master System does not have blast processing!:D I think my comparison is still valid, it doesnt have to be literally the same exact game, but that makes it even worst! To call a game by the same name but have very different design.

mahlasor

the first 8 bit sonic game is a good game, but it's definatly the weakest of the 8 bit sonic games, with sonic 2, chaos and triple trouble the series returns to it's high speed platforming.

are they as good as the genesis sonic games? probably not, doesn't stop them from still being good games in their own right

also, it's not like mario hasn't had games with different designs. Super Mario land is very different from every other mario game, but it's still a good game

I justed edited my message, but I wonder, was the Master System as successful if not more longer lasting than the NES? Even Streets of Rage 2 is on the Master System.

I justed edited my message, but I wonder, was the Master System as successful if not more longer lasting than the NES? Even Streets of Rage 2 is on the Master System.

mahlasor

edit: So was the Master System more popular than I know? Did it sell so much and continue longer than the NES?

mahlasor

don't know, sega never kept track of it's console sales, this goes for the Genesis as well, no one knows how much the genesis really sold, not even Sega

[QUOTE="mahlasor"]

I justed edited my message, but I wonder, was the Master System as successful if not more longer lasting than the NES? Even Streets of Rage 2 is on the Master System.

rilpas

SEga produces it? The knockoffs don't count imo.

I do think it is underrated, and I think that part of the reason is because it wasn't that huge in the US--it didn't have the "super mario" game that grabbed the attention of the media.

master system was very big in europe(and south america). in uk, spain, italy and portugal you'd be hard pressed to find any nintendo item other than gameboy. in netherlands nes sold well initially but when megadrive came around master system started to sell very well as well and I knew no one who even had a snes here. it was all sega. that's different from the us but it explains why we even got mortla kombat for the masyer system. it simply sold a lot as master system stayd a live for a long time. until 1995 here you could find games for it in toyshops quite easily. same for megadrive until 1998

unfortunately sega never took track of it's console sales although it is widely known master system is the 2nd best selling system sega ever made after the genesis/megadrive

[QUOTE="rilpas"][QUOTE="mahlasor"]

I justed edited my message, but I wonder, was the Master System as successful if not more longer lasting than the NES? Even Streets of Rage 2 is on the Master System.

Heirren

SEga produces it? The knockoffs don't count imo.

yes and no

in Brazil, tectoy holds the right to all of sega's products, they actually built their own master system and megadrives in brazil and they still do

so it really depends on your definition of knock off as technically it's an official sega product

Those are all basically Genesis game ports, Ninja Gaiden is too hard to enjoy.

mahlasor

yeah the master system is better for fighting games as there are none on the NES, but really, with the exception of masters of combat you can find ever other master system fighter on the Genesis or SNES

as for beat'em ups, I can't think of any exclusive master system beat'em up with the exception of the unifinished battletoads

I will admit that renegade is better on the master system though

rilpas

I wouldn't say the Ninja Gaidnen on Master System is better. It may have been a little easier on the eyes, but the NES version has fantastic gameplay and incredible music to match.

Emerald_Warrior

Well, technically all systems are still being produced, may I introduce to you, the retron 3

You know that is interesting that the Sega never kept track of system sells, then why the heck was I lead to believe that the SNES sold x ammount over the Sega Genesis?

Then... why is it called Sonic the Hedgehog? I know it is not the same exact game, but then again, it does not deserve to be so closely related to the real deal. Of course it will not have the same levels, the Master System does not have blast processing!:D I think my comparison is still valid, it doesnt have to be literally the same exact game, but that makes it even worst! To call a game by the same name but have very different design.

edit: So was the Master System more popular than I know? Did it sell so much and continue longer than the NES?

mahlasor

Well, technically all systems are still being produced, may I introduce to you, the retron 3

mahlasor

yes, but that is not manufactured by a sega manufacturer, hell usually most of those aren't even legal

I'm talking about a company that owns the exclusive rights to Sega's consoles and has owned them since the early 80's

You know that is interesting that the Sega never kept track of system sells, then why the heck was I lead to believe that the SNES sold x ammount over the Sega Genesis?

mahlasor

because none of Sega's sales estimates surpass the SNES' sales

[QUOTE="mahlasor"]You know that is interesting that the Sega never kept track of system sells, then why the heck was I lead to believe that the SNES sold x ammount over the Sega Genesis?

rilpas

because none of Sega's sales estimates surpass the SNES' sales

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="mahlasor"]You know that is interesting that the Sega never kept track of system sells, then why the heck was I lead to believe that the SNES sold x ammount over the Sega Genesis?

Jag85

because none of Sega's sales estimates surpass the SNES' sales

yes, but the japanese lead is enough to offset even the best of Genesis' estimates, hence why i said it

[QUOTE="mahlasor"]

Well, technically all systems are still being produced, may I introduce to you, the retron 3

rilpas

yes, but that is not manufactured by a sega manufacturer, hell usually most of those aren't even legal

I'm talking about a company that owns the exclusive rights to Sega's consoles and has owned them since the early 80's

You know that is interesting that the Sega never kept track of system sells, then why the heck was I lead to believe that the SNES sold x ammount over the Sega Genesis?

mahlasor

because none of Sega's sales estimates surpass the SNES' sales

They are legal. The patents have run their course, I believe. The only reason for the SEga endorsement, even though it costs money, is to establish X knockoff as THE knockoff. This Genesis/Mega Drive portable has the "sega approval" but it is nothing more than a name.

They are legal. The patents have run their course, I believe. The only reason for the SEga endorsement, even though it costs money, is to establish X knockoff as THE knockoff. This Genesis/Mega Drive portable has the "sega approval" but it is nothing more than a name.

Heirren

this is what I mean though:

it's even called a master system, the master system 3 and it looks almost exactly like sega's master system 2

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

They are legal. The patents have run their course, I believe. The only reason for the SEga endorsement, even though it costs money, is to establish X knockoff as THE knockoff. This Genesis/Mega Drive portable has the "sega approval" but it is nothing more than a name.

rilpas

this is what I mean though:

it's even called a master system, the master system 3 and it looks almost exactly like sega's master system 2

Is it manufactured by sega? If not, it is still the same deal.

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

They are legal. The patents have run their course, I believe. The only reason for the SEga endorsement, even though it costs money, is to establish X knockoff as THE knockoff. This Genesis/Mega Drive portable has the "sega approval" but it is nothing more than a name.

Heirren

this is what I mean though:

it's even called a master system, the master system 3 and it looks almost exactly like sega's master system 2

Is it manufactured by sega? If not, it is still the same deal.

again, it depends on what you consider sega, the company who manufactures it, was the same company who owned the south american production sega factories

[QUOTE="mahlasor"] Wonder Boy held it up for a little bit. [QUOTE="Heirren"]

[QUOTE="rilpas"][QUOTE="mahlasor"]

I justed edited my message, but I wonder, was the Master System as successful if not more longer lasting than the NES? Even Streets of Rage 2 is on the Master System.

Jag85

SEga produces it? The knockoffs don't count imo.

I do think it is underrated, and I think that part of the reason is because it wasn't that huge in the US--it didn't have the "super mario" game that grabbed the attention of the media.

Not really comparable though, the NES was advertised completely differently from most other systems at the time. If SMB was on the SMS for example and SMB didn't exist on the NES but it still had Metroid, Zelda and still the third part support the gap would still be bigger because of how the NES was advertised.

Another48hours

You either are not making sense, or attempting to disagree yet elaborate on what I had said all at the same time.

Meh, at first I could not understand what 48hour is talking about, but if you ponder the words, you can understand what he is sayying. I agree if Super Mario Brothers was on the SMS, it probably would not have sold as well. Nintendo just was that good at advertising. It makes sense, despite me being a super Genesis fan, I didnt even know what a SMS was back in my childhood.

Anyways, woot! I got Thunderforce IV!

Meh, at first I could not understand what 48hour is talking about, but if you ponder the words, you can understand what he is sayying. I agree if Super Mario Brothers was on the SMS, it probably would not have sold as well. Nintendo just was that good at advertising. It makes sense, despite me being a super Genesis fan, I didnt even know what a SMS was back in my childhood.

Anyways, woot! I got Thunderforce IV!

mahlasor

Oh yeah, they did not advertise it as a console because they were trying to get away fromt he console crash. That is why the NES looked so different too.

I think I now understand why it is Lightening force, not thunderforce IV. The game kicked my @ss! I am so used to Musha were there is always hope.

Oh yeah, they did not advertise it as a console because they were trying to get away fromt he console crash. That is why the NES looked so different too.

I think I now understand why it is Lightening force, not thunderforce IV. The game kicked my @ss! I am so used to Musha were there is always hope.

mahlasor

Yeah, it's waaay harder than M.U.S.H.A, but is still a badass game. I love it.

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

They are legal. The patents have run their course, I believe. The only reason for the SEga endorsement, even though it costs money, is to establish X knockoff as THE knockoff. This Genesis/Mega Drive portable has the "sega approval" but it is nothing more than a name.

Heirren

this is what I mean though:

it's even called a master system, the master system 3 and it looks almost exactly like sega's master system 2

Is it manufactured by sega? If not, it is still the same deal.

lol, as if you make the rules here. you're nintendo sheep. you really exposed yourself the last few weeks/months

[QUOTE="mahlasor"]

Meh, at first I could not understand what 48hour is talking about, but if you ponder the words, you can understand what he is sayying. I agree if Super Mario Brothers was on the SMS, it probably would not have sold as well. Nintendo just was that good at advertising. It makes sense, despite me being a super Genesis fan, I didnt even know what a SMS was back in my childhood.

Anyways, woot! I got Thunderforce IV!

Another48hours

exactly in the 80s in usa it was common to not even call gaming. you simply said let's go nintendo or let's play nintendo, basically any computer was called a nintendo in the consumers mind. sega had no chance in the usa with the master system, sega sold the publishing rights to tonka and it got even far worse. sega had horrible distribution and no advertising in the usa. in europe the story was totally different except nintendo also had lots of commercials but nobody cared, especially when sonic and the megadrive were released, other than france btw, which was a nintendo stronghold

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

this is what I mean though:

it's even called a master system, the master system 3 and it looks almost exactly like sega's master system 2

bultje112

Is it manufactured by sega? If not, it is still the same deal.

lol, as if you make the rules here. you're nintendo sheep. you really exposed yourself the last few weeks/months

Please don't make such wild claims with no backing reason. Give me another reason, other than sales(what I pointed out), that a company would seek out a Sega endorsement.

Hardly a wild claim, we kind of know.

Hardly a wild claim, we kind of know.

mahlasor

I always give my reasons, though. Go ahead and point out another reason why X company would want the sega logo on their genesis/md box and get back to me.

We know your reasons, also Sega is awesome obviously. :)

edit: for a thread that has more SNES votes.. You would think they would be around more. Instead it seems this thread is dominated by Sega fans, maybe we just have more to say?

We know your reasons, also Sega is awesome obviously. :)

edit: for a thread that has more SNES votes.. You would think they would be around more. Instead it seems this thread is dominated by Sega fans, maybe we just have more to say?

mahlasor

Depending on what is being talked about, I've been called a Sony fanboy, Nintendo fanboy, and Halo fanboy. btw, I never really dissed the genesis, I just don't understand why you would make baseless accusations.

[QUOTE="Another48hours"][QUOTE="mahlasor"]

Meh, at first I could not understand what 48hour is talking about, but if you ponder the words, you can understand what he is sayying. I agree if Super Mario Brothers was on the SMS, it probably would not have sold as well. Nintendo just was that good at advertising. It makes sense, despite me being a super Genesis fan, I didnt even know what a SMS was back in my childhood.

Anyways, woot! I got Thunderforce IV!

bultje112

exactly in the 80s in usa it was common to not even call gaming. you simply said let's go nintendo or let's play nintendo, basically any computer was called a nintendo in the consumers mind. sega had no chance in the usa with the master system, sega sold the publishing rights to tonka and it got even far worse. sega had horrible distribution and no advertising in the usa. in europe the story was totally different except nintendo also had lots of commercials but nobody cared, especially when sonic and the megadrive were released, other than france btw, which was a nintendo stronghold

[QUOTE="mahlasor"]

We know your reasons, also Sega is awesome obviously. :)

edit: for a thread that has more SNES votes.. You would think they would be around more. Instead it seems this thread is dominated by Sega fans, maybe we just have more to say?

Heirren

Depending on what is being talked about, I've been called a Sony fanboy, Nintendo fanboy, and Halo fanboy. btw, I never really dissed the genesis, I just don't understand why you would make baseless accusations.

Halo ftw. Well, you did support that one guy named Vulknuts.. So you leave the impression that you are Nintendo sheep. Maybe you have multifanboy personality disorder? Where one momment you are like "this company is the $%#*," then the next you are rooting for the exact opposite?

So this thread has cost me 57.82 cents. Genesis stuff, I just can not think of any SNES games that does not have that odd sound pitch that is prevalent on the SNES.

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

[QUOTE="mahlasor"]

We know your reasons, also Sega is awesome obviously. :)

edit: for a thread that has more SNES votes.. You would think they would be around more. Instead it seems this thread is dominated by Sega fans, maybe we just have more to say?

mahlasor

Depending on what is being talked about, I've been called a Sony fanboy, Nintendo fanboy, and Halo fanboy. btw, I never really dissed the genesis, I just don't understand why you would make baseless accusations.

Halo ftw. Well, you did support that one guy named Vulknuts.. So you leave the impression that you are Nintendo sheep. Maybe you have multifanboy personality disorder? Where one momment you are like "this company is the $%#*," then the next you are rooting for the exact opposite?

Or maybe he doesn't have a narrow-minded fanboy mindet that only one brand can be good. Maybe he's more open-minded when it comes to gaming. I'm the same way. Each console has it's own feel and game library, and it's almost like it's own little world of gaming. It's great to explore those.

exactly in the 80s in usa it was common to not even call gaming. you simply said let's go nintendo or let's play nintendo, basically any computer was called a nintendo in the consumers mind. sega had no chance in the usa with the master system, sega sold the publishing rights to tonka and it got even far worse. sega had horrible distribution and no advertising in the usa. in europe the story was totally different except nintendo also had lots of commercials but nobody cared, especially when sonic and the megadrive were released, other than france btw, which was a nintendo stronghold

bultje112

Also, it should be noted that the SMS was the first console to gain mainstream popularity in Europe. In contrast to America and Japan, home video gaming (in contrast to arcade gaming) didn't really take off in Europe until after the North American crash, around the time of the home computer boom, so the Atari 2600 wasn't a household name there like it was in America. As a result, the European home video game market was dominated by computers (like the Commodore 64 and ZX Spectrum) in the mid-80s. A lot of the popular computer games in Europe were usually (almost always inferior) arcade ports, especially Sega games like Out Run. Considering how popular Sega arcade games were in Europe, and how the SMS was the best at arcade ports back then, this might explain why the SMS was more successful than the NES in Europe.

Or maybe he doesn't have a narrow-minded fanboy mindet that only one brand can be good. Maybe he's more open-minded when it comes to gaming. I'm the same way. Each console has it's own feel and game library, and it's almost like it's own little world of gaming. It's great to explore those.

Emerald_Warrior

Emerald_Warrior

naaa, that sounds boring, I am going with MFPD. Thanks for telling em $&%t I already know.:) It is fun messing with him, because he tends to argue about things that are little of importance. Like how he is argueing about the logo on the Master System 3. How is it not a Master System? It is only not a true Master System if it is a crappy version of the Master System, like does not display as good of an image, lesser sound quality, but if it is the exact same quality, then it is a Master System.

edit: here is the evidence that he is Nintendo sheep.

He's got a point. In fact, if that is true that means there are more snes youtube vids, which is very saying of its staying power and popularity. My cousin had a genesis as a child, and these days he'll say the snes was the better console. When people get old enough they drop the nostalgic factor and just tell it like it is. SNES is the better system. A lot of the games have yet to be topped, and likely never will because that form of game design has been taken over by what hits shelves today.

Heirren

Well, if anyone has been following, we can kind of tell this is such a sheepish statement to make. My whole point in following this thread is to prove a statement like this is prejudiced. It really is hard to say one is the better console, because well.. Like I have displayed over and over again, they are both so dang different, that is a matter of preference. I think we can all agree that the SNES is designed around children, while the Genesis caters to adults. Genesis does what Nintendon't. What is that Nintendorks? That is right, you Nintendont want to mess with the Genesis, it will blast you away with its processing.

Btw, for people more familiar with the library of the SNES, can you find me games that are excellent that do not have the sound pitch I dislike?

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

mahlasor

naaa, that sounds boring, I am going with MFPD. Thanks for telling em $&%t I already know.:) It is fun messing with him, because he tends to argue about things that are little of importance. Like how he is argueing about the logo on the Master System 3. How is it not a Master System? It is only not a true Master System if it is a crappy version of the Master System, like does not display as good of an image, lesser sound quality, but if it is the exact same quality, then it is a Master System.

edit: here is the evidence that he is Nintendo sheep.

He's got a point. In fact, if that is true that means there are more snes youtube vids, which is very saying of its staying power and popularity. My cousin had a genesis as a child, and these days he'll say the snes was the better console. When people get old enough they drop the nostalgic factor and just tell it like it is. SNES is the better system. A lot of the games have yet to be topped, and likely never will because that form of game design has been taken over by what hits shelves today.

Heirren

Well, if anyone has been following, we can kind of tell this is such a sheepish statement to make. My whole point in following this thread is to prove a statement like this is prejudiced. It really is hard to say one is the better console, because well.. Like I have displayed over and over again, they are both so dang different, that is a matter of preference. I think we can all agree that the SNES is designed around children, while the Genesis caters to adults. Genesis does what Nintendon't. What is that Nintendorks? That is right, you Nintendont want to mess with the Genesis, it will blast you away with its processing.

Btw, for people more familiar with the library of the SNES, can you find me games that are excellent that do not have the sound pitch I dislike?

Edited on Mar 21, 2012 2:58 pm GMT Edited 7 total times.

First, lol@editing a derogatory post, seven times.:roll:

Second, genesis and snes are very comparable in terms of library. They both have adventure games, they both have fighters, they both have rpgs, etc. However, last I checked genesis does not do "mode 7". So it really seems like that statement is backwards.

Third, the poster using the "youtube" example was simply trying to find a scientific way of expressing that snes is the more popular system, today. When you couple that with Nintendo still producing consoles AND repeatedly selling these old games and making profit? In reality, the argument does actually hold some weight.

[QUOTE="Emerald_Warrior"]

mahlasor

naaa, that sounds boring, I am going with MFPD. Thanks for telling em $&%t I already know.:) It is fun messing with him, because he tends to argue about things that are little of importance. Like how he is argueing about the logo on the Master System 3. How is it not a Master System? It is only not a true Master System if it is a crappy version of the Master System, like does not display as good of an image, lesser sound quality, but if it is the exact same quality, then it is a Master System.

edit: here is the evidence that he is Nintendo sheep.

He's got a point. In fact, if that is true that means there are more snes youtube vids, which is very saying of its staying power and popularity. My cousin had a genesis as a child, and these days he'll say the snes was the better console. When people get old enough they drop the nostalgic factor and just tell it like it is. SNES is the better system. A lot of the games have yet to be topped, and likely never will because that form of game design has been taken over by what hits shelves today.

Heirren

Well, if anyone has been following, we can kind of tell this is such a sheepish statement to make. My whole point in following this thread is to prove a statement like this is prejudiced. It really is hard to say one is the better console, because well.. Like I have displayed over and over again, they are both so dang different, that is a matter of preference. I think we can all agree that the SNES is designed around children, while the Genesis caters to adults. Genesis does what Nintendon't. What is that Nintendorks? That is right, you Nintendont want to mess with the Genesis, it will blast you away with its processing.

Btw, for people more familiar with the library of the SNES, can you find me games that are excellent that do not have the sound pitch I dislike?

Sorry, I felt like using system war terms just for the lulz, I am not loling at his super serious response. So do not take me too serious please kthxbai.

edit: I tend to edit a lot to revise my statements, and well I was getting a quote.

edit 2: So I get this new Sega Genesis game, Adventures of Batman and Robin and it actually crashed in game.... 0: I have never seen a old console game crash during the action. All I know is this game is 3D uses a lot of special software that was not used for most of the Genesis life.. I just cant believe it crashed like a pc game.

SNES sucks!

edit: I havent even lurked on this board in a long time, and the topic happens to come back today... Its that time of year!

why did you dig up this old thread? rilpas

why did you dig up this old thread? rilpas

because he's quit clearly a fanboy. and my plastic snes is decolored quit badly. wish it was black so it wouldn't/

[QUOTE="rilpas"]why did you dig up this old thread? Heirren

[QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="rilpas"]why did you dig up this old thread? rilpas

[QUOTE="rilpas"][QUOTE="Heirren"] Bored of the "war" thread. Nameless derails all threads with bits, bytes, and processor bllsht. In fact, 90% of legacy discussions end in Nameless talking about a systems potential graphical output with Darkman, who in turn brings up sega Saturn. :DHeirren

[QUOTE="rilpas"][QUOTE="Heirren"] Bored of the "war" thread. Nameless derails all threads with bits, bytes, and processor bllsht. In fact, 90% of legacy discussions end in Nameless talking about a systems potential graphical output with Darkman, who in turn brings up sega Saturn. :DHeirren

they changed it because it was cheaper. same reason for all new models of systems

[QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="rilpas"] heh, I think disagree on your point though, the genesis had the better plastic, as in, the genesis wouldn't turn yellow after a few years :Pbultje112

they changed it because it was cheaper. same reason for all new models of systems