i'm 32 and have been a Nintendo fan since i was a kid, not sure what your beef is but imho the Nintendo WiiU is perhaps the last of the truly great consoles, one of the main reasons i love it is because it focuses mainly on the sp experience rather than allowing online multicrap to sh!t on everything, Nintendo understands that some of us just want to sit down and have an enjoyable gaming experience WITHOUT online mp being forced in our faces every time we sit down to play a game, and so long as they keep this up and continue to not sell out to the online multidiot community they will always have my respect.
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@turtlethetaffer said:
@shangtsung7 said:
@cooolio said:
@Jacanuk said:
@turtlethetaffer said:
@Jacanuk said:
@turtlethetaffer said:
I'm not terribly certain what more they could do as far as expanding the gameplay goes. AC was pretty much the ultimate realization of what Rocksteady set out to do.
What a crazy and sad statement to come with.
No game is so perfect it can't be improved, and what a sad gaming world we would have if people in the industry actually ran around thinking that. Infact if you ever sit down and think anything is perfect you might as well be dead. And AC certainly wasn't that perfect, in fact it was broken in not so few places and for people who play games for the story, it was a weak halfdone story that was just lacking a lot of what made AA so great. Particular the boss battles in AA was a area where it was better than AC´s
My point was that it improved so much on AA that it's very difficult to see where they cam vastly improve the next game. I did not say the game was perfect because I'm not a moron who thinks that things made by humans an be perfect. Obviously there's room for improvement in small places, but my point is that AC blew AA away in terms of gameplay; it smoothed out combat, gave Batman a lot more tools and improved the AA formula with its side quests and more open environment. Didn't people widely pan Origins simply because it wasn't a big improvement over AC? Sure there were story and balance issues but the biggest criticism I have seen about Origins is that it didn't change or improve much over City.
There's no need for the condescending tone, either :/
Neither story in the games were that great, and the boss battles in AA really were not that good to begin with. Honestly, the bosses in AA and AC are basically on the same level for different reasons. Sure, AA was a tad more focused, but the fact is that there's not that much to do in the game world outside the story and the combat is clunky as hell when compared to AC.
I'm not saying either game is perfect. Yes, there's room for improvement in AC. My point is that it likely won't be as well received because the enxt Arkham game likely won't be a huge step up from AC unless they go for something completely and totally different.
Again i can only disagree, AC was for me a step back and where i got into AA pretty quick, i had to force myself to play AC to the end, it was just terrible and the miniature open world was bad imo.
But its also about the age old debate "gameplay vs story" and i play games for the story, so there are plenty of areas that could be improved in a future game
I played Arkham CIty and saw a walkthrough of Asylum. I have to disagree on AC being terrible. Asylum set up was unique, but the whole thing with Joker wanting an army of monsters was a plot was not done in a way that really differentiated itself from other villainous plots of the same concept. Arkham City's story also benefited from the side missions and extra stories unlocked in the menu by riddles. I can see how Asylum would be more focused compared to City which had 3 villain with master plans as opposed to one, but that is all subjective.
not to mention AC actually had an open world to explore as opposed to just a hospital you got in AA, and while the sandbox in AC was rather small at least it was something, the side missions helped a lot too although i hated how they could not be completed without further progressing the main story. also AA was stupidly short! so short that it felt more like a dlc than a complete game, of course AO was even shorter but that was due to an online mode being added, AA had NO excuse for being so short.
Glad to see that some folks agree with me. AC is pretty much objectively better than AA in terms of mechanics, at the very least. And sure AA was more focused in its story, but that was basically the only advantage it has over City. The combat in AA is clunky, the bosses are meh and there isn't very much to do once you beat the game aside from the Riddler challenges and challenge maps. In City, there were plenty of side quests and expanded challenges and actual enemies on the map. In Asylum, there are literally NO enemies on the map once you beat the game. It was pathetic, really. AC was a gigantic step up from Asylum in most ways.
AC was better than AA in literally every single way possible, better combat, better moves, better bat gadgets, better upgrades, an actual sandbox to explore, a new game plus mode "which AA desperately needed if nothing else" hell you could literally FLY in AC ffs!!! especially once you got the upgraded grapple there was NOTHING to force you down after that! anybody who honestly thinks AA is better than AC is just... weird.. i could only awkwardly stare at someone who believes that cause it blows my mind how someone could come to that conclusion, i'm a respecter of opinions but seriously thats like saying Morrowind is better than Skyrim.. lol
@cooolio said:
@Jacanuk said:
@turtlethetaffer said:
@Jacanuk said:
@turtlethetaffer said:
I'm not terribly certain what more they could do as far as expanding the gameplay goes. AC was pretty much the ultimate realization of what Rocksteady set out to do.
What a crazy and sad statement to come with.
No game is so perfect it can't be improved, and what a sad gaming world we would have if people in the industry actually ran around thinking that. Infact if you ever sit down and think anything is perfect you might as well be dead. And AC certainly wasn't that perfect, in fact it was broken in not so few places and for people who play games for the story, it was a weak halfdone story that was just lacking a lot of what made AA so great. Particular the boss battles in AA was a area where it was better than AC´s
My point was that it improved so much on AA that it's very difficult to see where they cam vastly improve the next game. I did not say the game was perfect because I'm not a moron who thinks that things made by humans an be perfect. Obviously there's room for improvement in small places, but my point is that AC blew AA away in terms of gameplay; it smoothed out combat, gave Batman a lot more tools and improved the AA formula with its side quests and more open environment. Didn't people widely pan Origins simply because it wasn't a big improvement over AC? Sure there were story and balance issues but the biggest criticism I have seen about Origins is that it didn't change or improve much over City.
There's no need for the condescending tone, either :/
Neither story in the games were that great, and the boss battles in AA really were not that good to begin with. Honestly, the bosses in AA and AC are basically on the same level for different reasons. Sure, AA was a tad more focused, but the fact is that there's not that much to do in the game world outside the story and the combat is clunky as hell when compared to AC.
I'm not saying either game is perfect. Yes, there's room for improvement in AC. My point is that it likely won't be as well received because the enxt Arkham game likely won't be a huge step up from AC unless they go for something completely and totally different.
Again i can only disagree, AC was for me a step back and where i got into AA pretty quick, i had to force myself to play AC to the end, it was just terrible and the miniature open world was bad imo.
But its also about the age old debate "gameplay vs story" and i play games for the story, so there are plenty of areas that could be improved in a future game
I played Arkham CIty and saw a walkthrough of Asylum. I have to disagree on AC being terrible. Asylum set up was unique, but the whole thing with Joker wanting an army of monsters was a plot was not done in a way that really differentiated itself from other villainous plots of the same concept. Arkham City's story also benefited from the side missions and extra stories unlocked in the menu by riddles. I can see how Asylum would be more focused compared to City which had 3 villain with master plans as opposed to one, but that is all subjective.
not to mention AC actually had an open world to explore as opposed to just a hospital you got in AA, and while the sandbox in AC was rather small at least it was something, the side missions helped a lot too although i hated how they could not be completed without further progressing the main story. also AA was stupidly short! so short that it felt more like a dlc than a complete game, of course AO was even shorter but that was due to an online mode being added, AA had NO excuse for being so short.
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@shangtsung7 said:
@bowchicka07 said:
It was a good game 7.5/10 but just some easy fixes could have made it a perfect 10 IMO.
Stealth mechanics were severely rough around the edges, no double playthroughs, game kind of forcing you to stealth when most people want to kill here and there for some fun.
I also didn't like all the abilities on just one hand. Didn't feel immersed by the story and characters one bit. No meaningful dialogue, characters or plot at all.
Game play did make up for the latter though.
you do realize that you don't HAVE to play stealthy right? in fact crawling around like a mouse and avoiding every enemy makes for a very boring play through, i've beaten the game and dlc dozens of times by purposely alerting everyone, walking right up on groups like a boss, and slaughtering everything that moves! imo THATS how you play this game if you wanna fully enjoy the experience. ;)
I completely disagree. I played it that way and I really had a bad experience...maybe this was even the reason why I disliked it so much. Either way, I may give it another go...somewhere down the line.
But stealth is the way to go.
you and i are polar opposites on that opinion bro, i find stealth incredibly boring and will never understand you guys who obsess over it..
playing a game in a manner where you avoid everything interesting makes no sense, renders all weapon upgrades pointless, and its like drinking a cup of coffee without creme or sugar.. why would you do that? lol
@bowchicka07 said:
It was a good game 7.5/10 but just some easy fixes could have made it a perfect 10 IMO.
Stealth mechanics were severely rough around the edges, no double playthroughs, game kind of forcing you to stealth when most people want to kill here and there for some fun.
I also didn't like all the abilities on just one hand. Didn't feel immersed by the story and characters one bit. No meaningful dialogue, characters or plot at all.
Game play did make up for the latter though.
you do realize that you don't HAVE to play stealthy right? in fact crawling around like a mouse and avoiding every enemy makes for a very boring play through, i've beaten the game and dlc dozens of times by purposely alerting everyone, walking right up on groups like a boss, and slaughtering everything that moves! imo THATS how you play this game if you wanna fully enjoy the experience. ;)
@crispytigers said:
@shangtsung7: Okay, fine. Why do they want me to sympathize and connect with an evil dickhead???
uhh.. they don't. its just a "video game" bro, you're not supposed to "connect" with him, he's an evil sob, he's DRACULA ffs! and you're supposed to realize this and use that as a means to make sense of the story, you're basically playing a "villain" therefor not every cut scene nor the decisions he makes in them are necessarily gonna warm your heart m8. if this game makes you this uncomfortable you would really hate the God of War series.. lol
game is a freakin MASTERPIECE imo.. and for anyone thats interested i got a starter save at the beginning of the first mission with ALL powers fully upgraded except blink, 99 runes and 999 ammo for the gun and ALL crossbow bolts! all you need is a usb and a device to swap over your save id's.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/znrbjwdz3n4av4u/Dishonored4
also got one past the later mission where you lose your equipment, let me know if you want that one and i'll link it too. ;)
@cooolio said:
Dracula is not PURE EVIL!!!! It is easy to see him as a monster, but ask yourself what you would do if all the things that you did to help humanity resulted in you not only losing everything that you care about, but also your own humanity. He is an example of someone who the world condemned. Everyone possesses some since of evil within them some just have come to embrace it.
i prefer the old hammer movie series of Dracula with Christopher Lee, most probably have no clue what i'm talking about.. lol that story is by far the best depiction of the Dracula character i've seen and in that story you can both sympathize with him and hate him as he was certainly dealt a bad hand but you can easily argue that the way he went about dealing with it simply made him a monster, if you're a fan of the character as i am you owe it to yourself to check out these old films. ;)
@Jacanuk said:
Wait you actually liked Batman Origins?
But if Rocksteady are back in charge of batman i am truly excited and cant wait to see what they will do next, just hope they will tone down on the AC open-world a bit and do more AA and focus on a great story, i never got into AC like i did with AA:
wait you actually DIDN'T like the open world in Batman AC? lol
see, i'm with you but in a complete opposite fashion. i'm hoping like hell rocksteady returns for the next Arkham game "cause Origins sucked balls!" and i'm wanting them to INCREASE on the sandbox to give us a greater world to explore, don't get me wrong the sandbox in AC was great and i loved it but it did leave a bit to be desired and it certainly wouldn't hurt to expand on it a little.
perhaps it just isn't for you bro, i personally LOVE me some Dishonored!! strait killing, strait sp, NO online mp to ruin it = GOOD STUFF! ;)
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