Remember, we do not know the performance impact of running RT on AMD hardware so stop using performance hit on Nvidia you mug.

Will you go away.... I was using 40 CU's just as an example to show CU count and how it could be affected by using dedicated RT logic.......I was not claiming they'll have 40 CU's and use the full fat die.

So bug off!

1. Consoles have always been able to extra better performance out of weaker hardware........... That is common knowledge.... and your lack of intelligence of grasping the meaning of a sentence is woefully apparent here.

2. Until Navi is released and benchmarked you are simply grasping at straws and chatting shit.

3. It has still improved, making those charts you posted completely irrelevant for your argument.

4. Lmao...typical reply from a clown who knows they lost........ I'm not assuming any metrics and never implied anything.

Turn down your bull shittery and turn up your common sense.

You are beaten again.....

That's how Microsoft DXR works so I imagine that's how AMD have implemented it......... after all Microsoft did develop DXR to run as a compute work load on purpose to allow it to work on hundreds of GPU's as any GPU that's capable of GPGPU can run DXR code. Although whether they have the performance for it or not is another matter altogether.......

Nvidia RTX at driver level just intercepts the DXR compute commands and converts them in to instructions the RT cores can work with.

It's going to be the hardware T 'n' L era all over again....but with RT :D

I don't remember inviting you to the conversation but I'll entertain you.

1. Consoles may offer better RT performance from being closed box systems or they might not.

2. The performance impact on Nvidia hardware is completely irrelevant as consoles are using AMD.

3. RT performance in games has improved with patches.

4. You know nothing (John snow) about the next generation machines to be able to comment on respective performance impacts let alone attempt to compare with hardware from a completely different vendor.

Now...moving on....

Yep...bang on!! Custom hardware is exciting...... but is costly to develop and reduces the amount of porting options to other platforms which reduces the money developers can recoup...... which is bad for everyone!

In a sense it would be be affected by RT......but the overall raw performance of the die wouldn't be.

Say Microsoft start with a 40 CU Navi GPU and have to sacrifice 10 CU's for RT...... that'll be a 25% reduction in raw GPU performance but with this set-up running RT won't affect the utilisation of those remaining 30 CU's........ but turning off RT won't give more raw performance....But as long as the RT cores are fast enough to make up for the reduction in CU's it could actually work in their favour.

What's interesting is how much compute performance is going to be required for RT via shaders to match what will be possible via dedicated hardware.

If for example a next generation COD game ships with RT enabled via hardware acceleration on Scarlett it will still have 30 CU's worth of GPU performance to handle the rest of the graphics.

Now...... what if this same COD game ships on PS5 ?? There could be several scenario's......

1- They ditch RT completely and have inferior lighting/shadows/reflections (But still not ugly looking) but use all 40 CU's to push the visuals in other area's

2- They dedicate CU's to do RT via shaders.....but..... what if this requires 15 CU's to achieve parity with Scarletts dedicated hardware? That'll leave 25 CU's left for the rest of the graphics.....less then Scarlett!!!

If Scarlett and crucially AMD's implementation of hardware acceleration of RT is robust and performs well Scarlett may very well be the faster console in the real world.

Or has Sony or Cerny made custom tweaks to the core logic to enable better RT performance on PS5??

It's all very interesting and will be good to see how it all unfolds.

Price won't be a problem if what they're offering for said price is good value.

Consoles had to go that way......... With diminishing returns now on new hardware and the cost of designing a GPU/CPU logic circuit being simply too high now to be worth while.

The generation after next (So PS6) will potentially be an even smaller jump as hardware performance jumps are very small.

The golden era of 10x (or higher) the power increase between generations is long gone.

I know RT improves things....but as per my comment "I'm more then happy with the quality of reflections and lighting we currently have"

At least doing RT via shaders there's the option to just turn it off and use the power for everything...... an option not available with hardware acceleration.

I would of liked to of seen a voxel approach used next generation as opposed to RT as it's less resource heavy and would still give a nice improvement over current techniques...... it also would of been the perfect stop gap in the work up to RT.

But it will ultimately depend on how good the consoles are at RT....... if they have the performance to run it well then maybe...just maybe.....it'll be OK.