looking to pick up some older games i previously played to mess around with. i can't decide though. i figure ill pick up a game in the bargain bin. Either GTA IV, Oblivion, or FAllout 3. I've been playing mafia and going back and have been in the mood to play GTA IV again but i also wouldnt mind messing around in FAllout? When i played fallout 3 i was on standard def and my monitor was being repaired and it sucked. Now i have a nice HD TV. What do you think? GTA IV or Fallout or even Obvlivion?

nevermind i've messed around with the demo's on both. the pass defense is broken in both and both games are horrible.

Now that Madden is out for those of you who have played both, no fanboys, which one do you like better?

Just wondering what gamers are using these days for gaming in general.

wouldnt it just be cheaper to get this

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/HP+-+Pavilion+Desktop+/+AMD+Athlon%26%23153%3B+II+Processor+/+4GB+Memory+/+750GB+Hard+Drive/9964106.p?id=1218202473164&skuId=9964106

or this

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883241028

and just change the powersupply adding a graphics card etc...... I'm assuming putting a different power supply on a system like that isn't going to damage it IE the motherboard etc. Will it void my warranty etc?

edit:sry that first link won't hyperlink correctly for some reason.

i don't have windows 7 that's the thing. i forgot about that. I have vista on this pc. I hear you. I used to do that. I'm just not sure if it is worth the headache and if i really would be saving much money at all.

I agree though id be able to choose exactly what i want.

i'm growing lazy i know it sucks. But the security and ease of just buying it from a store or even newegg or tiger direct. Having a warrenty and not having to fuss with anything sounds good to me.

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[QUOTE="Sparticus247"]

As a media center machine and playing old games yeah, it's not bad, but I wouldn't try playing anything current with that thing. the HD 4350 will hold that back quite a lot.

Sparticus247

I'm going to put a different graphics card in either one thats the thing. I'm looking for a cheap prebuilt PC that will last me a while and i can play games on well if I add a nice graphics card.

It seems like in my price range, there is a tradeoff either way though. I'm either sacrificing the l3 cache or DD2 vs DD3 etc..... Unless i go higher end. Which i'm not spending close to a $1000 here. I want a pc for around $500 and enough money to get a pretty nice graphics card for gaming.

Perfectly understandable. Also yeah, forgot about the part of you throwing in 100-150 for a new gpu.

Or I can just get this. I don't know anythign about this brand ZT infinity? $650 and this looks like it has everything. Compared to that HP i first posted I'm not sure. I don't know what each one has as far as ports and what not. It's a smaller HD but who cares i can just pop another in later on.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883241028

Edit: I don't know for now. Sry was just doing my researching online. I'm split for now on the 1st machine i posted and putting a graphics card in it or this. There is give and take either way. The first pc I'm noticing has built in wifi and a bunch of other stuff as far as ports. And it's HP so you know the support sucks and what you get lol. ZT infinity i have no idea about but i'm getting a better processor and graphics card although i get to choose my graphics in the other one for the same price.

Either way it looks like i should be able to get something pretty sweet for under $700. Thanks for the help. You answered my original question at least. I think i'm definately going to get a quad core AMD chip either the athlon or something nicer.

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acutally i just found this system. For the price this looks pretty good. I'm not realy going to build it i dont think. id have to buy drives and everything and it's not really worth it to me.

This looks nice for the price no?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883241023

edit:I'm noticing it's DDR2 though where the other pc is DDR3 though. There is a trade off either way?

Sparticus247

As a media center machine and playing old games yeah, it's not bad, but I wouldn't try playing anything current with that thing. the HD 4350 will hold that back quite a lot.

I'm going to put a different graphics card in either one thats the thing. I'm looking for a cheap prebuilt PC that will last me a while and i can play games on well if I add a nice graphics card.

It seems like in my price range, there is a tradeoff either way though. I'm either sacrificing the l3 cache or DD2 vs DD3 etc..... Unless i go higher end. Which i'm not spending close to a $1000 here. I want a pc for around $500 and enough money to get a pretty nice graphics card for gaming.

acutally i just found this system. For the price this looks pretty good. I'm not realy going to build it i dont think. id have to buy drives and everything and it's not really worth it to me.

This looks nice for the price no?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883241023

edit:I'm noticing it's DDR2 where the other pc is DDR3 though. There is a trade off either way?

how does the 635 run as a game machine though? Does it run everything pretty well? It's obviously not a gaming rig like your other system, but would i be pleased with it if i use it for games adn throw a nice graphics card in it?