[QUOTE="favre4thewin"][QUOTE="maheo30"][QUOTE="favre4thewin"][QUOTE="maheo30"]

[QUOTE="CommanderShiro"]:| ...... That was my facial expression when I turned onto ESPN. Yep I won't be watching ESPN anymore for awhile, College Football Live is the only thing I'll tune into for now. maheo30

My sentiments exactly. Although i will turn ESPN back on when T-Jackson takes back the starting spot by the end of the year. I think Farve will be that bad.

Do you have Korskov's syndrome? T. Jack got beat out by Gus Ferrotte last year. If you are going to claim someone else taking the starting spot at least make it Sage Rosenfal or John David Booty. In the end there still is a reason that Favre is in MN, its bc/ those QB's are terrible. Childress probably figures his job is on the line this year as it is and most likely get fired if Favre is or isn't his QB.

What I don't get is you guys all claim to be sick of hearing about Favre, but yet you continue to talk about him. I didn't even know he came back until this week. Though I don't watch TV, so that might be why.

T. Jack has the ability to run, that is the only thing that he can beat the other QB's on the roster at. Lets say Favre didn't show up to camp, I would assume that Sage would be the starter. I'll be honest here, outside of Madden, I don't think the ability to run fast is an ability that coaches should care about (sparing the any option offense).

T. Jack isn't the worst QB on a roster in the NFL, but by no means will he be a starter. He isn't developing fast enough, and Childress would have been out of a job this year if he hadn't switched to Gus.

Can Favre carry the Vikes, no. Does Favre have to carry the Vikes, no. AP will still carry the purple ppl, but I think Favre can help a little. 15-20 passes a game maybe. I think he can be a circa 2000 Trent Dilfer next year. In the end we'll see if the shoulder can hold up. I think if he is smart and the Vikes make the playoffs, he should sit 1-2 games and come in fresh.

With or without Favre, I still think Childress is one of the coaches who are on the hot seat. I think Reid probably is too. Reid got a lot of new toys this year. There is no excuse for the Eags to not be a top team.

I am still going to stick with my boys for next season. I think Capers is going to band aide the GB def enough and Rodgers out plays all the other QB's in the NFC North.

Actually T-Jackson was playing better than Sage from what I have watched. Sage is nothing more than a journeyman back-up. T-Jackson has shown flashes of being really good. Although I agree about the QB's running the ball thing. It is way overvalued in the NFL. Brady, Manning, Palmer, Brees, or Ryan don't exactly run around much and they are the best in the league.

I think Childress will be out of a job anyway unless T-Jackson suddenly develops into a quality starter which isn't likely to happen. I just think he is there only hope. I'm not trying to dump on your guy (I assume you are a Farve fan) I just think his body has finally had it. Although him winning a SB then retiring woul be a good story.

I wish GB good luck and hope your team has a great year. Just not as good a year as my Titans. :D

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Favre used to be my guy, now he's Childress's guy.  I def agree that  its a do or die season for Childress regardless who's under center.  T-Jack played ok at the end of the year, excluding playoffs.  I am just not big on him.  As far as scrambling goes, you are talking to a guy who told an Falcons scout at practice that they traded the best QB on their team to Houston (about 3 years ago know, way back when I worked in 1-aa).

I think the Pack will squeak into the playoffs.  I still think Rodgers is going to be the best QB in the NFC North.  If Favre is smart and serious about winning, he'll sit when he needs too this year.  If he doesn't do that and he needs a game off it is his own fault.  If you wanted to pick the QB of the future for MN I would say JD Booty, or possibly someone from this years draft...who knows, once Childress is fired it could be anyone.

I know it is still a bit too early, but early in the preseason, what stand as your regular season predictions. These aren't my final predictions, but right now, this is what I think:

AFC East
New England 14-2 -They were an 11-5 non-playoff team without Brady. He'll put up huge numbers here with Moss returning to 2007 form and Welker putting up numbers.
Miami 8-8 - Good team, but schedule is brutal
Buffalo 7-9 - If T.O puts up big numbers, and Evans isn't covered as much, they may reach the playoffs.
NY Jets 5-11 - Sanchez may be a future pro bowler, but not this year.

AFC South
Indianapolis 13-3 - Dungy's departure won't hurt this team at all.
Houston 10-6 - Deadly offence, but if Schaub goes down, they'll rely on a QB who stepped at the back of an endzone. If Schaub is healthy, they'll put points up on the board
Tennessee 7-9 - While Chris Johnson is a future star, the loss of Haynesworth will hurt a lot.
Jacksonville 6-10 - Could be better, but I don't see it.

AFC North
Pittsburgh 12-4 - Defending Super Bowl champions have a target on their back, but they'll handle it.
Baltimore 11-5 - Recieving is iffy, but Flacco and the defence are good enough to win games.
Cincinnati 5-11 - Palmer will miss T.J, and won't be top 5 form. Maybe top 10.
Cleveland 3-13 - QB is full of question marks, running game is horrible, recieving is weaker than before, and defence has concerns too.

AFC West- Worst division I can recall in years.
San Diego 12-4- They'll be healthy and have the division locked up by mid-October. They can win more games than the rest of the division combined.
Kansas City 5-11- They did see the light near the end of last year, and will show promise this year.
Oakland 4-12- They've been a bad team for years and their draft was horrible. Thats not good at all. So long as Al Davis is in charge, they will be a punching bag for years.
Denver 3-13- McDaniels has driven out Cutler, upset the Bronco fans, and now has to help out a horrible defence. Good luck.

NFC East
Philadelphia 11-5- Defence is deadly, and offence has weapons. The Vick-McNabb thing may cause problems, though.
NY Giants 9-7- Osi will help, but offence will miss Ward, Burress and Toomer.
Dallas 8-8- Romo will choke and Phillips will leave.
Washington 6-10- Haynesworth signing was a bit risky and overspent.

NFC South
Atlanta 12-4- Ryan was remarkable as a rookie, and Turner and Roddy White had breakout seasons. They could be headed to Miami.
New Orleans 11-5- Offence is in the top three in the league, and the defence is improved.
Carolina 8-8- Schedule is deadly, and they're up and down all the time.
Tampa Bay 3-13- With the immobile QB who takes too long to throw, another QB who has little experince and doesn't make downfield throws enough, and another who's a mere rookie, along with a terrible defence, they're gonna suck.

NFC North
Chicago 11-5- Cutler doesn't have the weapons he did in Denver, but Matt Forte is a great young star, and the defence is elite.
Green Bay 10-6- Last year was an off year, and they were still very close in many of their games. Rodgers will make everyone not miss Favre.
Minnesota 8-8- One QB can't make reads, the other chokes leads that no one else can. If they can resolve the QB situation and they're even the Trent Dilfer type (the QB can be mediocre, which Jackson is even worse than), this is a Super Bowl capable team.
Detroit 3-13- Stafford will get to know the ground well, and Culpepper is another QB on that team behind a terrible offensive line. They may get luckly and win a few games, but don't expect a massive improvement from next year. They'll need to be extremely lucky to finish anything near .500. But hey, Millen's gone.

NFC West
Arizona 11-5- People still look down on them. I don't see why. Their QB defies age when healthy, they have the best recievers and arguably the best secondary, and their running game got a whole lot better with the selection of Wells. The old Cards, these are not.
Seattle 8-8- I'm skeptial of last year and health, but if Hasselbeck is healthy and makes great use of T.J, they could be better.
San Francisco 6-10- The Crabtree controversy already doesn't help an already weak team.
St. Louis 4-12- Still a year or two left in the rebuilding formula.

I just realized that while there are great teams in the NFC, no one really stands out, which gave me trouble with them in the playoffs. In the AFC, you have New England, Indy and Pittsburgh, while there is no one in the NFC like that.

1st Round: San Diego over Houston, Pittsburgh over Baltimore, Arizona over Green Bay, New Orleans over Chicago
2nd Round: New Engand over Pittsburgh, San Diego over Indianapolis, Atlanta over New Orleans, Arizona over Philadelphia
Conference: New England over San Diego, Atlanta over Arizona
Super Bowl: New England over Atlanta

Its kind of odd, but as the NFC goes, I don't really see anyone in the same league as the Pats, Colts, Steelers or even Chargers. Even I don't like choosing Atlanta in the Super Bowl. I'd be shocked if the Super Bowl winner came from the NFC.

Goliath_unit

The only two discrepencies I see with your predictions is the AFC East and the Chicago Bears.  Although it is possible that the Pats could go 14-2, the Phins 8-8 and the Bills  7-9, it is higly unlikely that all three will happen.  If the Bills and Phins are .500 teams one of them should take a game from the Pats.  I think 12-4 or 11-5 is more realistic for the Patriots.  They still are the division favorites, but I see it being a much harder road than 2 years ago.

Jay Cutler is talented, but I don't forsee him clinching the NFC North Crown.  I don't even think he is the best QB in the division. I know I am biased, I am a Packers fan and am going to pick Rodgers to one up him.  QB's aside, Chicago has holes up front in the offensive line and there defense was suspect at times last year.  They could use help in both trenches.  Please do not mention Orlando Pace; he has not finished a season in 4 years.  Chris Williams had injury concerns coming into the draft. Maybe the O-line will hold up, and maybe Cutler can turn the Chicago WR's into pro bowlers.

I favor MN in the north, not because of Favre, but because of there solid play in the trenches on both sides of the ball.  The Williams', Jarred Allen, Hutchinson (the best Guard in football right now), are all pro bowl caliber players.  If #4 realizes that all he has to do is give the ball to AP most of the game and just convert 3rd downs every now and then, they should be tough to beat.

I still think GB will be a playoff team and that Rodgers makes the pro bowl.  The later is more probable then first aformentioned task.  If Capers band aids the defense, GB is at least a wildcard team.

I won't predict teams, but I will show what I think the playoff slots will look like:

NFC East: 1 Team: the division is too competitive and they will beat on each other all year

NFC West: 1 Team: the division isn't very good, and winning non-division games will be challenging

NFC North: 2 Teams: Chi, GB, and MN have similar levels of talent.  It will be a tight race, but DET's poor play should make it a little easier for 2 north teams to sneak into the playoffs.

NFC South: 2 Teams: I don't know which 2 teams it will be.  If history tells us anything, the team that wins it should be the team that finished last this past season.  If a gun was held to my head I would say CAR and ATL, but that is conditional on a lot of things.  Although I like Brees and the Saints, it is hard to see the defense showing up, and its hard to envision Reggie Bush living up to his collegiate reputation.

AFC East: 2 Teams: This division will be more competitive than most people think.  I expect the Pats to gravitate back towards the top, but I do think the Phins and Bills are catching up.  NYJ should be a team that picks in the top 10 of the draft, but you never know.  I have lots of respect for Rex Ryan, I could see him beating the Pats atleast once.  He almost got them during the perfect season.

AFC West: 1 Team:  This one is really simple, if the Chargers don't win the division hands down Turner should be fired. Oakland has been terrible since 2002, KC is getting better, but isn't talented enough on the defensive side of the ball to contend, and Denver...well, I don't even know what to say about them.  They will probably be my new Madden Franchise team.  I like to take the worst team on the game, fire the coach and rebuild it from the ground up.

AFC South: 1 Team: This division will be highly competitive.  You have Indy, Tennessee at the top, then Jax and Hou at the bottom.  If Hou and Jax played in a different division you could probably make them playoff contenders.   

AFC North: 2 Teams: CLe will be horrible, and Cin wion't be too much better.  I expect Marvin Lewis to leave town this year.  Bal and Pitt should duke it out again.  I see both making it back to the playoffs. 

[QUOTE="favre4thewin"][QUOTE="maheo30"]

[QUOTE="CommanderShiro"]:| ...... That was my facial expression when I turned onto ESPN. Yep I won't be watching ESPN anymore for awhile, College Football Live is the only thing I'll tune into for now. maheo30

My sentiments exactly. Although i will turn ESPN back on when T-Jackson takes back the starting spot by the end of the year. I think Farve will be that bad.

Do you have Korskov's syndrome? T. Jack got beat out by Gus Ferrotte last year. If you are going to claim someone else taking the starting spot at least make it Sage Rosenfal or John David Booty. In the end there still is a reason that Favre is in MN, its bc/ those QB's are terrible. Childress probably figures his job is on the line this year as it is and most likely get fired if Favre is or isn't his QB.

What I don't get is you guys all claim to be sick of hearing about Favre, but yet you continue to talk about him. I didn't even know he came back until this week. Though I don't watch TV, so that might be why.

T. Jack has the ability to run, that is the only thing that he can beat the other QB's on the roster at.  Lets say Favre didn't show up to camp, I would assume that Sage would be the starter.  I'll be honest here, outside of Madden, I don't think the ability to run fast is an ability that coaches should care about (sparing the any option offense).

T. Jack isn't the worst QB on a roster in the NFL, but by no means will he be a starter.  He isn't developing fast enough, and Childress would have been out of a job this year if he hadn't switched to Gus. 

Can Favre carry the Vikes, no.  Does Favre have to carry the Vikes, no.  AP will still carry the purple ppl, but I think Favre can help a little.  15-20 passes a game maybe.  I think he can be a circa 2000 Trent Dilfer next year.  In the end we'll see if the shoulder can hold up.  I think if he is smart and the Vikes make the playoffs, he should sit 1-2 games and come in fresh.  

With or without Favre, I still think Childress is one of the coaches who are on the hot seat.  I think Reid probably is too.  Reid got a lot of new toys this year.  There is no excuse for the Eags to not be a top team.

I am still going to stick with my boys for next season.  I think Capers is going to band aide the GB def enough and Rodgers out plays all the other QB's in the NFC North. 

[QUOTE="CommanderShiro"]:| ...... That was my facial expression when I turned onto ESPN. Yep I won't be watching ESPN anymore for awhile, College Football Live is the only thing I'll tune into for now. maheo30

My sentiments exactly. Although i will turn ESPN back on when T-Jackson takes back the starting spot by the end of the year. I think Farve will be that bad.

Do you have Korskov's syndrome?  T. Jack got beat out by Gus Ferrotte last year.  If you are going to claim someone else taking the starting spot at least make it Sage Rosenfal or John David Booty.  In the end there still is a reason that Favre is in MN, its bc/ those QB's are terrible.  Childress probably figures his job is on the line this year as it is and most likely get fired if Favre is or isn't his QB.

What I don't get is you guys all claim to be sick of hearing about Favre, but yet you continue to talk about him.  I didn't even know he came back until this week.  Though I don't watch TV, so that might be why. 

[QUOTE="Espurs117"]

[QUOTE="StreetBallerlol"]BTW I lick sacksStreetBallerlol

Dude.

Spfx: I'm sorry about getting pissy, we'll just have to see what vick does.

Sit on the bench, get McNabb some water.  Talk with Kolb.  Hold a clipboard, hold a marker board for a coach.  Give McNabb a high five when he comes off the field after he throws a touchdown.  He maybe will ask McNabb what is the difference between cover 2, cover 3, man and how to read a blitz.  Will prob be on the field for single wing. 

This is all assuming he beats out Koy Detmer, which he prob will, Koy is far from his glory days as a back up and Vick is more athletic than him. 

[QUOTE="StreetBallerlol"][QUOTE="Espurs117"][QUOTE="StreetBallerlol"][QUOTE="spfx30"]

Well, this waste signing sure makes me feel proud to be a fan. :roll:

Espurs117

What's so waste about it? You only think it's bad because of the dogfighting, pu$$y.

Yes! Dogfighting is a macho man sport!

Not even bro. *DMX Bark* 

I will admit I am a dog lover, but my main problems with Vick are his insufficient abilities, over zealous marketing (yes  I know this one isn't his fault), gambling (Paul Horning got a worst punishment), and him dipping into his employees pension.

Nonetheless, he has a job for now.  We'll see if he can beat out Kolb.  Odds are in his favor to become the 3rd string QB.  He probably is still athletic, so Reid can use him to run the WILDCAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Is anyone else sick of that term?  Why don't we just call it what it is, single wing. 

mike..vick..is...a..waste..egal.now..wtf.. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4397938J4y_CNX

Whats new?  Vick always was a waste.  He could barely read coverages when he was playing with the falcons, and I doubt he got better in jail.  We'll see if he can beat out Kolb.  I doubt he can do that. 

Sitting out makes him virtually useless for the first half of the season.  At this point the SF might as well take their sweet time to sign him.  He can be a rookie next year.  I say threaten him to let him go back in the draft.  He is not going to get drafted higher. He might even become a 2nd round pick.

 LoL @ him for letting his cousin be his agent.  Dumb, dumb, dumb. 

Who wants to pay $90 for a plain pizza?  Well if you want one at a Cowboys game that's what you'll pay.

Link

geaux321

Holy Balls Batman!!!  Still, its not as bad as going to the movies.  When did diner and a movie become a $100 date?  This is why I sneak food in. 

[QUOTE="Ryder004"][QUOTE="thetombradyhate"][QUOTE="Ryder004"]

[QUOTE="Espurs117"]Doorbell Rings*
Ryder answers doorbell*
Person at the door response* "im here for the gangbang"
thetombradyhate

perfect example of an epic fail

Not as much of an epic fail as you saying Griese owned the Pack 

bucs owned the pack. there u happy?

Well just thought its kind of self ownage when your QB owned a team just cause you won, sure you beat us, but Griese definitely didn't own us and its not like it was a blowout

As a Packers fan and a realist, I will say that the offensive line had a bad case of the sucks for the Buc game.  It would have been nice if Rodgers could have stayed upright, healthy, and finished the game.