[QUOTE="Goliath_unit"]

What do you guys think of Collins being benched for Vince Young?

Personally, I think that it's a good move. The Titans season is over, so it is best to give Young a shot to see if he can regain his rookie form in which he won games for the Titans (he has an 18-11 starting record), while Collins is more of a game manager. It'll also show the Titans organization whether Young is worth keeping or just another bust, and since he's due for $11.75 million next year, this is huge for him. He'll be cut if he doesn't perform.

As for the Jags game, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Vince Young doesn't take a Titans squad losing late in the 4th Quarter, successfully does the two minute drill, and leads the Titans to a comeback win. 23-20 Titans. They're terrible, but it seems impossible that they won't win at least one game all year, and why not that first win come in a game at home against a divisional rival (their weakest one) who stomped them earlier in the year?

garey017

I agree. At this point, it's obvious their chances of a succesful season are gone. Might as well mix things up, bring in some backups, try plays you don't normally try, whatever. If it doesn't work, oh well it can't make them much worse. If something works out, it may help them rebound next year.

I also think the Titans will likely pull off a win tomorrow. If they don't it will really be rock bottom for them. Actually, I take that back, they play the Rams late in the season, that loss would be rock bottom. But if they lose tomorrow, especially if it's a bad loss, I don't see them winning more than 1 game all season (the Rams), and they may not even pull that off. If they do manage a win tomorrow, it's possible they could turn things around somewhat and get a few wins this year.

At this point they might as well Play VY.  The titans are having a terrible year, and they are not gong to make the playoffs.  There is no pressure on VY, they might as well see if he is the QB of the future.  

 The Titans need to find a formula that works on the offense, not run trick plays.   

[QUOTE="wallymartin"][QUOTE="spfx30"]

Larry was such a cool guy at Penn State; I don't get what happened to him. :(

God help the Eagles. :cry:

kalabo10688

Lol, Penn State runningbacks.

Its debatable, but I doubt Carter would have turned out to do anything.  He was drafted by the 1990's Bengals.  Does anyone need to say more than that? 

I'm not quite sure to tell you who the most underrated team in the NFL, but I am pretty sure the most overrated team is the Chicago Bears.  That team def did their homework before trading Orton away for Cutler.:roll:

its early but i would definately love to see a saints colts superbowlchAzN93

Peyton Manning isn't exactly Mr. January.  Yeah, he won it once, and could do it again, but the Def and ground game will need to be superb.  

Still too early to tell who will get in.  The Jets and Skins looked like they would have a chance last year and look what happened.  All the 6-0 teams still need another 4-6 weeks of winning to clinch. 

Really thought Green Bay would return to dominance as well.

Not it seems like they need to improve that O-Line otherwise Rodgers will be on the ground almost every single play.

mvphalo8

This is an understatement.  The Packers O-Line is dog sh*t.  The only way Rodgers could be on the ground any quicker is if he lied down then they snapped the ball to him.  I mentioned this during my draft talk, not many GB fans thought we needed OT's.  Fricken Jaguars, draft Monroe right ahead of us, then have the foresight to draft Britton in the 2nd (no offense to Clay Matthews, he did make some great plays on MNF).  Moral of the story is, you can't go into season expecting to milk another year out of 2 over 30 tackles who both have had major surgeries in their careers. 

[QUOTE="Goliath_unit"][QUOTE="themyrmidon"]What I want to know is will he be SF's #1, or just another #2themyrmidon

#2, who do you work for. Lol.  Don't hold your breath SF fans.  It is highly unlikely that Crabby will do anything significant this year.  I am betting on him getting hurt.  He's sat out so long, and almost always when someone sits out this long they get injured.   

The top HS talent has all ways came from Cali, FL, and TX.  That is nothing new.  NJ has had some great players in recent years.  Why would someone choose the Big 10 over some of the other schools, because its still a lot better than being at UCF, or UTEP.  Prior was a big name recruit.  It goes in cycles, Miami & FSU used to get more talent than they do know.  Eventually USC, LSU, and UF will drop some and someone else will take up some of the slack.

 I still think this is terrible for Crabtree.  It adds a huge question mark for who drafts him next year.  I can even see teams passing on him in the 2nd round.  Its just dumb, SF is in a weak division, and I think Singletary is going to be a good coach.  I haven't seen enough of their games to comment on his X's and O's, but he has the right attitude.  When he came in, SF had a losing attitude, and he started cleaning house.  If this is Crabtree's attitude, then let him sit.  Millions of $'s to play a kids game is a priveledge.  SF isn't even that bad of a place to be, it could be Buffalo, or Cleveland.  The way the NFL is, he only has to be there 9 months out of the year.  That isn't that bad. 

[QUOTE="favre4thewin"][QUOTE="rawsavon"]

Here are my top 5 College coaches (in no particular order)

1. Urban Meyer Florida...does it all...recruits and wins
2. Mike Leach Texas Tech...made program out of nothing...top graduation rate in Big 12 (#8 in the country)...does most with least
3. Chris Peterson Boise State...most wins in last several years behind only OU...from the small time
4. Gary Patterson TCU...see below
5. Utah head coach (name escapes me at the moment)...all of these last 3 guys accomplish a ton in crappy conferences, get no respect and just win

rawsavon

You might want to squeeze in Jim Tressel and Pete Carrol somewhere in that list.  Yes, USC is talented, but Carrol made them that way.  They were dog Sh** before he was there. 

IMO Pete is not a good COACH...maybe best recruiter though.
He basically fields an NFL team every week and has only won it all twice.
-3 NFL QB's...another in the freshman probably
-almost every starter off their defense goes pro
-RB's always go
-only WR's really don't make it in the NFL

As for the Big 10, I think it is the most overrated conference in the country.
Ohio ST and Oklahoma (Big 12) have the same results every year...win, then get killed in the big game.
The Big 10 is in trouble.
No one wants to go play in the cold...now that you can play on TV anywhere and live in a nice place (TX, Calif, Florida)

Being a good recruiter is a large part of being a college coach.  It doesn't matter how good you are, if your fielding D2 talent at the D1 level, your going to lose.  Shame on Carrol for ONLY winning it all twice.  Miami was just as talented in the 90's and how many times did they win it?  The fact is that Carrol has USC in a position to win it every year.  Though I don't like Tressel, I give him credit for building OSU's program.  He did get an impressive win with a less talented team vs Miami.  

 Who wants to play in the cold?  Its not cold in big 10 country, not if your born there.  The Big 10 might not be the best conference in the country, but it is certainly not a push over.  The Big 12 has 2 elite teams, Texas and Oklahoma.  The Big 10 can match that.  The Big 12 has some ok teams, but by no means are TT, KST, CO, NEB, and anyone else an elite program in that conference.  TT can't even match Wisc in terms of sucess in the past decade.

Enough of getting off topic.  This is still an incredibly dumb move by crabtree.  I think he ends up being a bust, or at best a pre-madona like TO. 

Here are my top 5 College coaches (in no particular order)

1. Urban Meyer Florida...does it all...recruits and wins
2. Mike Leach Texas Tech...made program out of nothing...top graduation rate in Big 12 (#8 in the country)...does most with least
3. Chris Peterson Boise State...most wins in last several years behind only OU...from the small time
4. Gary Patterson TCU...see below
5. Utah head coach (name escapes me at the moment)...all of these last 3 guys accomplish a ton in crappy conferences, get no respect and just win

rawsavon

You might want to squeeze in Jim Tressel and Pete Carrol somewhere in that list.  Yes, USC is talented, but Carrol made them that way.  They were dog Sh** before he was there. 

[QUOTE="Espurs117"][QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="Espurs117"][QUOTE="rawsavon"]

[QUOTE="Espurs117"]Eli is a lil b**** for that move. He told them don't pick me im too good for you, way worse than what Crabtree is doing.rawsavon

I hate Eli (not for that though)...but do you also hate on Elway (did the exact same thing)
I don't blame players for using their one chance at leverage

It was a b**** move yes. By both of them. I don't hate him for that, I just think hes a punk for it.

I just think we let the huge contracts cloud our thoughts on this.
Would we feel the same about a 30,000 a year teacher refusing to go to Alaska and wanting tio stay in Texas.
Or a Business Major refusing to go to a company in Nebraska while hoping a company in California offers him a job for less money...

This is the same as the draft:
go as a top pick = big $$$
or refuse, get drafted lower, take less $$$

The NFL is a privelege. Why should Eli and Elway be special? Hundreds of kids come out of college and are grateful when they get drafted period. Im leaving the money out of this. When you tell an NFL team hey don't take me Im too good for your city, im sorry but your a douche and I would not want you on my team.

But my point is:

How is that different than turning down job offers coming out of college.
Getting a good job and playing in the NFL are both privileges.
Just like in the NFL, the best and brightest can turn down jobs and take the ones they want.
The 7th round pick...aka 2.0 GPA guy...is just happy to get an offer.

But in the real world, you can quit and take a new job if yours sucks and you are in demand.
After the draft, players have 0 power. With the franchise tag, there is no real free agency.

Have you seen the job market lately? No one is turning down jobs if they need them.  A few months ago I was fighting with ppl with 10 years experience for entry level work.  Its the NFL, its a multi-million dollar job that isn't based on experience.  He has the right to sit out, but its not going to help his cause.  Didn't Andre Ware do the same thing?  I know heath Shuler did and that obvisouly went well. I would be happy with a 7 figure salary, and San Fran is a cool place to live.  He should be estatic, he gets to move out of Texas;)

 Its not like playing for a bad team is a new concept for him, he choose to go to TT?!  Its not like he went to USC, OSU or at the very least UT.