[QUOTE="DanielDust"][QUOTE="biggest_loser"]
San Andreas is one of the most over-hyped games ever made. I was just saying to someone, just because you have a lot of stuff to do in a game doesn't mean that any of it is actually good. People harp on about the variety when they are just basic mini games that blind people from how tedious the game actually is. There are long, long stretches in that game where you will have to travel to a mission...to start it. If you fail, you go all the way back. Add in some terrible controls and pointless missions and its a tough slog.
IV on the other hand is the GTA game I've always wanted to play. Jaw-dropping city, brimming with incredible details. Almost every mission is well thought out and refined. There are game changing touches, like the mobile phone and situations I've never seen before. One of the favourites of the generation.
Ben-Buja
Been a while since I fully agreed with everything you said, R* always takes everything to the next level in terms of immersion and detail, GTA IV might be smaller in size compared to SA, but as with every game R* releases, it has overall way more detail, making IV highly compressed, filled with details, with unique things to explore around every single corner and as you mentioned, integrating certain uses for the phone and other things that you take for granted in real life that lack from most if not all games, things that contribute a lot to the atmosphere, like a GPS (I randomly heard some background noise when I first started to play GTA IV, then I kept hearing it on various cars, after about 5 hours I noticed...what the...a friggin GPS, that's so common, how come more games don't add these things), I personally consider that R*s trademark, extremely small details that make a believable environment and fantastic atmosphere and of course, the overall details, making hundreds if not thousands of unique textures and building models, they're the only ones so far that work hard enough to pretty much completely eliminate the copy paste effect.Same detail goes into the pedestrian models too, there are hundreds of them with many variations; hats, glasses, different clothes that are randomized, making the pedestrian never seem quite the same.
It's also insane how much lines they recorded for IV, every pedestrian has hundreds of lines and even after playing the game for four years I still hear ones I never noticed before.
Then there's also the physics; The dynamic deformation of the vehicle models for example, which is just incredible for an open world sandbox game, most racing games don't even have this. Euphoria ragdoll engine is also far ahead of anything out there, it's not quite perfect in IV, they tweaked it for RDR and Max Payne 3, but it's definitely ahead of anything in the genre.
I just want to mention one thing that you guise all forgot. GTA IV was released after 4 years of GTA SA. So R* is able to completely change the game engine and the result was tremendous. So you can't logically compare the look of those two game. New game always have better look and better atmosphere but you have to admit that the old version still is a competition of the new version and that's why I still think GTA SA is much more appealing than GTA IV by its own way
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