[QUOTE="darthkirmy"][QUOTE="RPG-explorer"] Well it's become obvious to me that i could be talking to a very disgruntled teenager who just couldn't get mom and Dad to pop for a MAC on his last birthday so now he's stuck with his old " cheap" PC for another year. Sad...by the way Apples stock has gone up to $300.00 a share and has surpassed the double digit share of the marketplace a long time ago, so i would venture to say it's not a "crap-in-the box" as you put it. It is however making PC hardware looking like it will be soon selling under a big Windows sign in junkyards around the world in the near future.

RPG-explorer

I feel bad for you, i really do, you'll never know the joy of owning the REAL best computer in the world, which has been and always be MAC's, regardless of what size the marketshare is, thats simply a case of the blind leading the blind. No PC boy's will ever get it, and no one can explain it, A PC is like some uptight 50's business man that can't handle complexity in anyway, and a MAC is like a laid back 60's cool hippy that let's everything roll off the shoulders and gets things done at it's own pace. Even when i was waiting in line a couple years back at my local mall in front of the apple store waiting for OS-X Leopard to come out, people would walk by and ask us what all the people were online for and we told them apples new operating system. They just chuckled and walked away, and right then we knew they were PC users, because they just don't get it, none of them ever lined up for anything that had to do with a PC, but us MAC users are a special group and we always will be. Like i said you, like them will never get it, and if years pass and you somehow end up in an apple store or using someone's MAC for a few hours, then you might see the light, but i doubt it.

I have no idea how to prove to you that i am typing this on a Mac. I know that Macs are fun to use. They are sexy, the software is nice, and theyre decent computers. But as I said in all my other posts Mac will never challenge the PC, conversely it will never challenge Microsoft.

PS- If you want proof shoot me a message. Ill give you a screenshot.

Maybe you are right. Maybe I'm an idiot and not smart enough to keep my PC from crashing. I'm sorry that not everyone can be as elitist as you. But again, I am the majority whether you like it or not. and if that is the case, why is it that the PC, a product that was essentially supposed to make our lives so much easier, only works if everyone is devoted to do a ton of extra learning and work to work properly? Seems to me that is backwards logic.

RPG-explorer

You are missing my point completely. I am the majority in the sense that I am not a computer expert. I don't play games on my computer, I don't have a ton of software, I don't obsess over specs, etc, etc, etc. That is what I mean by saying I am the majority. The majority of people with a computer in their house are like me...they aren't experts or techheads or hermits.

The fact of the matter is that if you believe the majority of PC owners/users are hardware techheads, coders, programmers, etc, then you are sadly mistaken.

[QUOTE="SkyZ00"]

[QUOTE="RPG-explorer"]

First of all calling all MAC users idiots is a good way to get yourself banned from this forum, and secondly why don't you read the response directly posted beneath yours, and then tell me again how much better PC's are then MAC's.

In fact i should never bash PC users, there turning out to be Apples biggest customers, because anyone who has spent years with a PC, is sick and tired of all the system crashes, updates, freeze ups, programs not working or quitting unexpectedly...All of the above.

Know what i think, alot of PC users have just been using PC's for so long they just might blindly think that nothing else can do what they can do. Well not only can MAC's do everything they can do, but they can do it better, and MAC's can also run Windows O.S.'s as smooth as there own O.S.-X and no PC can do that.

RPG-explorer

1) Only people with minimal computer knowledge will switch from PC to Mac. In fact I think the global market share for apple hasn't even passed 5%. So much for PC's switchin right? hah.

2) Again, crashes are subjective while viruses, spywares are on ALL platform. It is just more dominant on the PC because PC has 90% of the marketshare. Why would you write and exploit that targets 10 people when you can write one that hits 1,000,000?

3) Apple's simplicity comes with a price. And that is not being able to do what some things the PC can. And OSX running windows is through virtualization. It is not 100% windows and you will see slow downs. In fact I can do the same thing you can do with Windows with virtual box :|

4) When Apple's marketshare gets past the single digits, maybe then we can have a debate haha. 'til then apple's products are literal crap-in-a-box.

[QUOTE="Brownesque"]

[QUOTE="RPG-explorer"]

First of all calling all MAC users idiots is a good way to get yourself banned from this forum, and secondly why don't you read the response directly posted beneath yours, and then tell me again how much better PC's are then MAC's.

In fact i should never bash PC users, there turning out to be Apples biggest customers, because anyone who has spent years with a PC, is sick and tired of all the system crashes, updates, freeze ups, programs not working or quitting unexpectedly...All of the above.

Know what i think, alot of PC users have just been using PC's for so long they just might blindly think that nothing else can do what they can do. Well not only can MAC's do everything they can do, but they can do it better, and MAC's can also run Windows O.S.'s as smooth as there own O.S.-X and no PC can do that.

RPG-explorer

This brings me to my second point. PC's cannot run OSX because Apple like's proprietary crap that only they're allowed to use. Guess what company makes Macs? That's right, one, Apple. Guess what company is authorized to distribute a computer running OSX? That's right, one, Apple. It's not like other companies don't try, and the funny thing is....they end up distributing the exact same computers with the exact same hardware and the exact same operating system....for around half the price. Seriously, you think Microsoft licensing fees are bad? Try buying a Mac. Go see Psystar.....they were distributing OSX-based computers, essentially illegally....and the prices on these things were minute. When you buy a Mac, just be aware that the profit margins are huge. Why waste your money?

RPG-explorer

[QUOTE="Hakkai007"]

Well maybe your PC was crashing all the time because you are not intelligent enough to operate one.

I have been using computers since the late 1980s and I have been using Windows computers since the mid 1990s and never had a problem with them at all.

To me the Mac died in the 1990s.

Also yes Macs are much more expensive than a PC. Not just the hardware but the software is immensely expensive.

Show me a mac and I will show you a much stronger and better PC for the same price or near it.

ZIMdoom

Maybe you are right. Maybe I'm an idiot and not smart enough to keep my PC from crashing. I'm sorry that not everyone can be as elitist as you. But again, I am the majority whether you like it or not. and if that is the case, why is it that the PC, a product that was essentially supposed to make our lives so much easier, only works if everyone is devoted to do a ton of extra learning and work to work properly? Seems to me that is backwards logic.

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

[QUOTE="SkyZ00"]

Only because no one really bothers to upgrade from IE when they first buy their system. I mean to the tech savvy person they wouldn't even get caught browsing with IE7 but to your normal consumer who has never heard of chrome, safari or firefox, they don't really care.

And I really feel sorry for anyone who believe Apple's propaganda. Apple products are ridiculously overpriced, and they don't break because your so restricted by the OS. You can't tweak your system to the degree that you can with other OS.

That and Apple really needs to stop bundling their crappy software together. If I want to install iTunes please don't make me install quicktime and safari first before I can install iTunes.

SkyZ00

I recently switched to a Mac. Why? Because as someone who only uses the PC for downloading music, watching tv/movies, and doing basic e-mail, writing, etc, I didn't want to deal with all the crap that I've had to deal with on my PC for the last decade or more that I've used PC. I was sick of it always crashing. I was tired of programs not working, freezing, virus's, spyware, etc. In fact, the reason I needed a new computer was because despite having anti-spyware and anti-virus and anti-whatever, I STILL got a virus that completely crashed my system. And once I got it fixed and cleaned up, it was slower than everand nothing I did seemed to speed it up.

It's your computer so more power to you. I mean as you said you only use it for basic email, writing, watching such and such. However you could've saved yourself a lot, and I MEAN a lot of money by just switching the OS from a Windows-based OS with Ubuntu. I mean its the same thing anyways. Your PC probably had better hardware than the mac and it seemed like your problems all stem from software. And I can't really say anything about viruses since I used a pirated copy of XP before with no firewalls, AV and Anti-Spyware and was in the DMZ of my router, and I was ok for years due to safe browsing.

Yes, the Mac is more expensive. But I shopped around and managed to get a model that was only very slightly more than what I would have had to pay for a new PC. And yes, I mean going to a local PC store and buying a PC, monitor, etc. And if I wanted to keep using Office, I was going to have to BUY IT which means it would have been equal or MORE money than what I paid for my Mac anyway.

Again, more power to you that you got such a deal about it, but its tiring hearing all these Mac fanboys touting that their system is the most advanced piece of equipment ever, when really all apple does is lock down their system to the point where its nigh impossible to screw something up just because how closed the system is.

I was worried abou the usual stereotypes people here talk about. Is it too much JUST for looks. But now, the fact is it isn't. And I assume I am the majority of PC owners out there. The people who BUY (not build from scratch) their PC. The people who don't obsess over hardware and tweak every little thing. This is just a FACT of life that hermits here have to deal with. The majority of PC users are not them. They are more like me. They want something that is quick and easy and that works.

Apple is just for looks outside of your "casual" for the lack of a better word, usage. Yea, a mac is great for browsing and such even with the crappy safari browser, but once you want to do more, sadly a Mac just can't keep up.

I think once more people start to see past the BS that not all Macs are more money than PC (although the apple laptops are insanely expensive), and that they CAN use them normally, more people will continue making the switch. I know I made the switch because my buddy did and I was able to see and hear about his experiences. I was able to see first hand that it isn't a big deal moving from PC to Apple. And I know that people like my parents, and other relatives, who I've shown the Mac to have all been very impressed that it is not only cost-effective, but that they can do all the same things they normally do only more intuitively and without less hassle.

Mac is software and hardware just like the PC. They will also need routine maintenance and optimizing. Anyone who thinks that a Mac is the holy grail of computing needs to smarten up, open their eyes, and wake up to reality. I seriously do not see what hassle you guys are talking about.

Microsoft stole the whole GUI thing from Apple so its the same point at the icon click it and pictures will pop up concept on both platforms. I just don't see how its such a hassle.

Anyway, people can say what they will. I just wanted to add my two cents to this issue which CONSTANTLY seems to pop up in nerdy forums like this but doesn't actually represent reality. I buy a PC to make my life easier...not because I want to spend hours maintaining it, tweaking, optimizing, virus scanning, etc. Yes, for people who are interesting in more control and doing all that stuff, there is way more benefits to owning a PC, but they are the minority.

Like you, I also have a wish. That people will see that owning a PC does not mean your gonna spend hours of tweaking, optimizing and virus scanning on it. Seriously in the 8 years i've owned a PC I've yet to spend even an hour trying to "optimize" my PC.

When people finally stop the misconception that a PC is nothing more than a virus ridden, disease infested, plague bearing piece of equipment like your corner street whore, is when people will finally stop with their holier than thou apple attitude. And what a world that would be.