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#1 Velocitas8
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Can someone explain why 30 seconds of recorded game in fraps at 30fp/s is like 5GB?DevilMightCry

Because it's only minimally compressed and optimized to be low-latency so that you can record real-time.

If HDD space is an issue, Dxtory+Lagarith YV12 (same quality as FRAPS) will only be ~20% that size when recording at 1080p. However, Lagarith needs a better processor than the FRAPS codec for high-res recording (like an older Quad Core or better; it's multi-threaded.)

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Actually yes dead space 1 on the recording was around 30 fps it dipped no lower than 25 at only one part.RyviusARC

Look closer. If you really don't notice the constantly-dropped frames in that YouTube clip, then I really don't know what to say. There is constant disruption of motion fluidity.. it keeps from going smooth->not-->smooth-->etc.. basically what this means that your HDD is too slow to be recording at those settings. The in-game frame counter will still read out whatever speed the game is rendering at.. the dropped frames are happening at the encoder, not in-game.

And no, it's definitely not my system.

Dxtory ran at 9 fps no matter what the codec even when using the dxtroy codec on low settings.RyviusARC

Hmm.. did you check the "compress" box? If it's staying at a constant framerate regardless of your settings, then your HDD is too slow. How did your HDD(s) benchmark in Dxtory? You need a minimum of 70MB/s (560 Mbps) for good quality footage using the Dxtory Video Codec(that's for like "Medium" setting, which is identical to FRAPS.)

If your HDD isn't fast enough, you'll need to use a more efficient video codec like Lagarith. Lagarith YV12 only requires like 40MB/s for 1080p @30fps..which is far lower than FRAPS or Dxtory Video Codec.

I haven't seen a Dxtory youtube video with that good in quality.RyviusARC

Quality? Apparently you don't understand the term "lossless." (Which FRAPS isn't, by the way, unless you check "RGB.")

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#3 Velocitas8
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Probably just poorly configured. What resolution? Framerate? Colorspace? Dxtory won't run well on the average machine at default settings.

Unlike FRAPS, Dxtory defaults to true lossless recording, which basically requires a SSD or multi-HDD setup if you're recording at something like 1080p 60 fps. Even at 30 fps, 1920x1080 requires a bitrate output if ~1,500 Mbps, or almost 190 Megabytes per SECOND.

If it recorded slowly "regardless of your codec" then you were probably using settings that your HDD is too slow for. I would first try using a lower colorspace like the FRAPS codec (which is YV12.) Dxtory should perform at least as well as FRAPS given similar settings, and in general it should perform better.

This is what I get from FRAPS when uploaded to youtube. Watch in "Original" resolution for best quality. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MawhvHBpcMARyviusARC

Umm.. you know that's not even recording at 30 fps, right? You get pretty constant dropped frames. It's slight, so you could probably get totally smooth recording with Dxtory.

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Ived tryed...its a very poor made recording sofware...It is used mosly by people who dosent play intensive games...it is used on CS or Starcraft...

The quality is also doubtful...u need to find the perfect combo of codecs when useing dxtory...

When the quality of the video(talking about dxtory here) is on par with Fraps quality...the frame rates are half of what u get with fraps...

So in conclusion...Fraps is the only way to go...rhazzy

Wrong.

I'm pretty sure the Dxtory codec is better than the FRAPS codec, actually.. but there are even better options if you're using Dxtory. Lagarith Lossless, for example. There is NO better DirectX/OpenGL recording solution out there if you have a Quad Core.. Dxtory+Lagarith is literally your *only* option if you want the best possible performance and lossless compression with something like 1080p footage @30fps.

A properly configured Dxtory destroys FRAPS. Not only with better performance, but also in the area of features.. FRAPS is very limited compared to Dxtory.

The performance bottleneck for high-quality lossless recording is most often the harddrive. Dxtory addresses this with RawCap (pseudo-RAID), and FRAPS has nothing to compare.

FRAPS is more simplistic and fine for most uses, but Dxtory is the better-performing and more powerful program overall. I own licenses for both (I used to use FRAPS), but Dxtory is straight-up a better buy in my opinion, even at the slightly higher price.

EDIT: Actually, changing Dxtory's recording codec over to x264vfw lossless might be a good alternative to Lagarith Lossless, though the colorspace for H264 is limited to YV12 (still looks very good.) I need to do some efficiency testing on that. EDIT2: tl;dr comparison - x264vfw lossless is slightly more efficient than Lagarith YV12 but also has higher encoding complexity (needs more processing power.) Lagarith seems better overall.

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#5 Velocitas8
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Probably "Church" by Kettel.

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#6 Velocitas8
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[QUOTE="PS2_ROCKS"]Foobar2000. Really simple media player with a ton of functionality. You can convert FLAC to a variety of other formats. I use it to convert FLAC to MP3 for my iPod. And to anyone doubting, you can't tell the difference between a 320kpbs MP3 and a FLAC file. Not to mention the space saved with the MP3 format.TheShadowLord07

i think i need some sort of command line encorder. do you know where I can find one

For Foobar2000? Yes, you need the command-line encoder for whatever format you're converting to.

Here. You can just get the zip (flac-1.2.1-win.zip) and extract it somewhere (like C:\FLAC). Foobar2000 will ask for the location of the encoder when you go to convert for the first time.. it's in the \bin\ subdirectory.

Foobar2000 really is the best front-end for music transcoding, by the way.

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MyDefrag (formerly JkDefrag) is quite nice.

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#8 Velocitas8
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You could try enabling 'Microphone Boost'

This probably affects sound quality, though (most commonly it creates a lot of background noise.) Down the road, you may want to consider investing in a higher-end microphone if you aren't happy with how everything sounds. For example, the USB version of the Audio-Technica AT2020 is one that's common for "Let's Plays", I think. There's probably cheaper options out there for good quality.

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#9 Velocitas8
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No problem, good to hear that you got it straightened out. Good luck with your Let's Plays! Feel free to PM me if you have any other recording questions.. I've spent a good bit of time playing around with this stuff.

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#10 Velocitas8
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What does the "device" drop-down box show for you? Can't you select another device for the second audio stream?

I think the problem is that you're trying to record from both "Microphone" and "Stereo Mix." These are both INPUTS on the same device. You should only be recording one "input" per device.. that being your microphone, in this case. The other should be set to something like "Speakers" ..which is an OUTPUT device.

If you can't get this to work, I think you can get "Stereo Mix" to monitor both your speakers and microphone, meaning you'd only have to record from one device (Stereo Mix.) I don't have Windows XP, so I can't walk you through that (works a bit differently on Windows 7) ..but there's a lot of videos on it. Personally, I think it's better to record two separate audio streams from an editing standpoint.. but doing the Stereo Mix thing is simpler.

Also, you'll probably want to set your recording to Stereo PCM 16-bit 44100Hz.