Yea its true that you get outdated gear. As for them getting destroyed in BG is kind of unfair. General assumption is that geared players are skilled and casual dont know how to play well. I would consider myself casual player. I have a busy life, I dont play WoW 24/7. I would play a month, take a break, come back when Im bored, etc However, I knew how my spells worked and I had the instinct in battle to make the right desicion. Sure, most of the time geared>nongeared, but what can you do. Unless you have no life, you shouldnt focus so much on fake things.

Joining a casual guild will help. Getting into dungeons shouldnt be a problem if you stay reasonable and wont act all bad and try to join a high end raid with your blues or w/e.

Im not saying running lowies is JUST/ONLY for good feeling. Please reread the statement. I never cared for exploring every corner, that was just a suggestion seeing as some people do like finding secret/cool spots.

I'm a warlock. I was one in WoW original beta. I was a lock when the game began. I know that shadowbolts are used the most since they are the biggest DPS provider, but to just spam one spell is silly. As for the video. You showed me a boss. What else are you gonna use? It's only one target, and your mission is to inflict damage.

"So don't try to talk to me about other things to do in World of Warcraft. I've tried them all." I was just giving suggestions. I wont try and list every possible reason to play WoW.

I find your last line a lie. You tried everything in WoW, you tried them all, you know so much/a lot about it, and yet you've only played the game a little. You even bolded the 'a lot' part.

The main point is -- if you're making yourself grind or play the game when you're bored, its only your fault. You shouldnt log in to your account unless you know what your going to do.Begemott

There is no such thing as "skill" in World of Warcraft. Anyone who tries to say otherwise simply does not know what they're talking about. Below you will find plenty of credibility:

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Lightninghoof&n=Turtlemilk

Your response has degraded me to the point where I am almost too demoralized to respond. I can tell that you are a very casual player - and as such - you have no idea what you are talking about. Instead of arguing or debating with you, I would instead be explaining things to you. I don't want to have to do that.

I'll go ahead and show you an example just so you see what I mean.

Now, I've seen a lot of statements and excuses in the past, but the one you wrote here may surpass them all, "It was just a boss!" Why would the developers of a game make the fights that matter - the fights that give actual loot - be the most mindless, whilst making the fights that involve trash mobs more complex and exciting? Do you know why they are called trash mobs in the first place? Logic alone should have answered your question before you felt the need to type it.

As much as I wish it were otherwise, a Warlock in end-game raiding does little more than spam Shadowbolts. The worst part is that this mindless degree of repetition doesn't apply to just the Warlock.

I suppose you are ultimately correct when you state that a person who forces themself to grind even when they don't want to has no one to blame but themselves. Sure, you don't have to grind and worry about mathematical power - but grind and mathematical power is the very definition of MMORPGs in the first place.

LOL. You see, arena gear is a bonus. YOU dont have to grind. YOU dont have to stay near your computer 24/7.

Find out whats fun, and do it. Obviously its silly to make yourself work in MMO. Its a game, have fun.

Run some lowbies, it will give a nice feeling. Explore zones. Play BG -- for FUN. And as for spamming shadowbolts in dungeons. Well, then half the team is carrying you for you not to pay attention and just spam spells.

Begemott

You are correct. Players are not required to grind in an MMORPG. The problem is that, if they don't, their characters will become quickly outdated. I know a lot about World of Warcraft - I can completely vouch for this. Casual players have casual gear. They will have a very difficult time getting into dungeons, they will (in many cases) be shunned by a server's elitists, and they will be absolutely destroyed in Arenas/Battlegrounds when they want to play them simply for "fun".

I actually started to feel bad for the casual players. They were horrible - their attempts to kill my character were completely laughable. Casual players are the most useless pieces of crap in an MMORPG. I could never see myself playing an MMORPG casually whilst having any fun.

Other than that, you are basically saying that running lowbies through dungeons isn't all that entertaining, but that I should do it anyways for a nice feeling. Secondly, it is impossible to "explore zones" once your character reaches the maximum level. The zones are empty; no reason to see them. As such, the vast majority of the gameworld is completley ignored, and any content that actually "matters" takes place in small, instanced areas (Arenas, Battlegrounds and Dungeons). That's why I didn't really understand people when they praise World of Warcraft for its large, seamless world. What exactly is the point of having such a world if no one plays in it? If they all just stand around a goblin in a tuxedo or by a meeting stone?

Lastly, that is what raiding in World of Warcraft is. It is spamming buttons. Watch this video from a Warlock PoV:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSNxDeyXmlo&eurl=http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=sunwell+warlock+pov&sitesearch=

I haven't seen it, but I know for a fact that all the Warlock will be doing the majority of the time is spamming Shadowbolts.

So don't try to talk to me about other things to do in World of Warcraft. I've tried them all. I even made a guild called Polymock and ran around constantly ganking on the Isle of Quel'danas in a desperate attempt just to have fun.

You know what the worst part about all of it is? I didn't even play the game that much.

Before MMORPGs were released, games were played solely for the fun factor. In MMORPGs, although the fun factor may be the ideal objective, it is not always the reality.

In countless cases, players do things in MMORPGs even when they don't want to - even if they find them boring - simply because of the mathematical power they will gain.

Although the players may find it boring, they quest to level and grind for points. Although the players may find it boring, they mindlessly farm for resources to raise money and improve their tradeskills. When they are burned out or don't necessarily feel like it, players will log on and raid with their guild simply to aid them with progression. They work.

In World of Warcraft, for example, my Orc Warlock received the Gladiator title on the Lightninghoof server. After I received it, I started looking back, and I realized that I didn't have too much fun obtaining it. I could not honestly say to myself that I enjoyed and had lots of fun grinding over 100,000 Honor in Alterac Valley. I could not honestly say to myself that I enjoyed playing game after game in the Arena, gaining ~5 points when victorious and losing ~25 when defeated. I could not honestly say that I enjoyed constantly spamming Shadowbolts in Karazhan, Zul'Aman and various other Heroic Dungeons to farm for Badges of Justice.

As each "season" was released in World of Warcraft, the game became less and less fun. Each season basically said, "Congratulations on your full set of gear. Now we're going to make it outdated. Enjoy grinding yet another 100,000 Honor, enjoy getting additional Enchanting materials, Gems, and enjoy getting additional Badges of Justice. To make it even more entertaining, you are going to have to get your points and materials in the exact same manner as before. You are going to have to repeat yourself constantly. You just spammed Battlegrounds for 100,000 Honor? Okay - do it again! Enjoy."

I had this friend who once said to me, "Man, grinding for Honor is so boring." I said to him, "Then don't do it." His response was, "Well, I have to for my Vindicator's." Is that what a game is supposed to be? Why do people constantly play a game that they find boring?

After playing an uncountable amount MMORPGs, including Age of Conan, I finally came to such a realization. The simple fact of the matter is that 'playing' an MMORPG is not fun. Obtaining the mathematical power is what is fun. The only real exception is that it is not in all cases - it might be some or many - but I believe that it is too much regardless. I loved running around and performing fatalities on various enemies in Age of Conan, but that doesn't mean I enjoyed grinding when there were no quests around. As I was about to grind, I simply thought, "Hell no. I am not going to do something that I find boring in a game simply because of what my character gains."

It makes me wonder how successful the most popular of MMORPGs would be if they no longer rewarded its players with mathematical power. How many players would still play the genre solely for the fun factor? Something tells me: not that many.

After doing this "Font Fix", my FPS in Gothic 3 during the big fight scene in the beginning went from ~3 to ~45. I have no idea how that accomplished my dilemma - but it did!

You, sir, are an awesome amazing person. Thank you very much for that suggestion.

My opinion about Gothic 3 has changed once again. Now I say it's awesome!

It is very unpolished, has lots of bugs and does run slow.zeus_gb

I don't know why it's running THIS SLOW. I'm thinking that there has to be something somewhere that's causing the game to be... confused. Some sort of option somewhere.

I looked everywhere, though, and couldn't find anything.

When I first got the game, I had a pretty old PC. I was able to play the game if I turned the settings down pretty far, and everything about the game (excluding the game's severe need of polishing) was awesome.

With this new PC I got, I'm able to play Bioshock, Mass Effect, Company of Heroes and World in Conflict with everything set to maximum with absolutely no performance issues. I can run Crysis with everything set to "High" fairly well.

Here's my dilemma:

Gothic 3, with everything set to the bare minimum, runs far slower than Crysis with everything set to the full maximum. When playing Crysis with everything maxed out, I get about 5 fps. When playing Gothic 3 with everything as low as possible, I get about 3 fps.

What the !@#$.

It's a real shame. Cause honestly, Gothic 3 could have been one of the greatest single-player RPGs ever created. But because the game was so unpolished when it was released, causing it to be extremely glitchy and broken, it became almost completely dismissed as crap.

So, because of this experience here, my opinion on Gothic 3 has ultimately changed. It is pure fail.

Pyros in Team Fortress 2.

Or maybe Demos.

Eh, probably Pyros.

Naw... Demos.

Blech, both.

In a free-for-all using medieval weapons, which person do you think would end up the victor?