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@indzman: Brock Lesner is also a WWF athlete/personality. The fact that he also does MMA does not change that.
Changes everything. He is MMA also a WWF , gives him much advantage in the fight, if he were a just WWF i'dve agreed.
He is not "a WWF."
Anyway, the fact that he trains in multiple disciplines does not mean that he isn't also a professional wrestling athlete/performer.
Bit off topic : Tell me a simple question why is your user ID is 'the gerg' but on your sig it says 'thegreg' ?
I can tell you an answer, or I can ask you a question. Which do you want?
give me the answer
Because that's how I typed it.
Now, you really should look up guys like the Gracie family. They are MMA fighters, and they've defeated countless martial artists from multiple disciplines. Another good example is Josh Koscheck. He's an MMA fighter, and he's also one of the best wrestlers in the country. On that note, Brock Lesner was an outstanding amateur wrestler too, beating the best in the world at that martial art. Shit, on that note let's look at Kurt Angle. He's a WWF athlete/performer who won multiple gold medals at international competitions as a martial artist. Simply because a martial artist competes in MMA does not mean that he isn't a top-level martial artist.
I don't think a MMA can defeat a martial arts grandmaster (Champion) , hell and heaven difference in rank and tier. But i get what you are trying to say is a goodMMA can defeat other pure but basic martial artists which i agree.
"I don't think a MMA can defeat a martial arts grandmaster (Champion)"
What I take this to mean is "I don't think an MMA fighter can defeat a martial arts grandmaster (champion)."
If that's what you think then you're wrong. Again, look up the Gracie family. They are the founders of MMA. They've spent generations winning fights against masters and champions of multiple martial arts.
Fedor Emelianeko is another good example. He has defeated some of the top Sambo and Judo martial artists in the world, he's also one of the most successful MMA fighters in history.
What is it, exactly, that makes you think that people who compete in MMA can't beat their peers who don't?
1.can you provide me link to the article where it states " Fedor Emelianeko is another good example. He has defeated some of the top Sambo and Judo martial artists in the world, he's also one of the most successful MMA fighters in history "
2.next also provide me link where a WWF or a Boxer beats a MMA or a Black Belt ( My original Question )
1. No. I never said that an article says that. However, you're more than free to look into it yourself. He has held MMA championships in WAMMA, RINGS, and PRIDE. He's won gold in the World Combat Sambo Championships (and numerous other Sambo competitions), and has 2 medals in the Russian Judo championships.
2-That's not your original question. Your original question was "Can a WWF or a Boxer win against a black belt ?"
Anyway...
Kevin Rosier- Boxer with a win against Zane Frazier, a 4th degree blackbelt.
Brock Lesnar- WWF/WWE athlete/entertainer, multiple wins including one againt Frank Mir, who holds 2 black belts.
Do your own research.
Read into:
1. Yeah , Fedor Emelianeko MMA defeated Judo Champions. Thanks for the information , glad to know something new.
2.Kevin Rosier and Zane Frazier both MMA
3.Brock Lesnar and Frank Mir both MMA
4.Still no information on a pure WWF or Boxer ( No former martial arts ranks of any order ) defeating any pure martial artists :)
2- Right, and Rosier was a boxer who beat the blackbelt Frazier. You asked for an example of that, and you got it. You keep getting the answers to your questions, but blowing them off.
3-Right, and Lesnar was a WWF/WWE athlete/entertainer who beat the blackbelt Mir. You asked for an example of that, and you got it. You keep getting the answers to your questions, but blowing them off.
4-Boxers beat other boxers all the time. Those fights are examples of boxers beating martial artists.
Those are all MMA also WWF/WWE if you read thier profiles beating MMA's ...
Kevin Rosier (born January 6, 1962) is an American former kickboxer, boxer and mixed martial artist. Zane Frazier (born July 16, 1966) is an American former karateka, kickboxer and mixed martial artist who competed in the heavyweight division.
Just read what WIKI says, both same man . also ...
Fedor Emelianeko is a Russian politician and retired heavyweightmixed martial artist, sambist, and judoka. He already mastered Judo , Samba and defeated Judo , Samba .
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Youa re not getting me ,
Let me give a example:
I'm saying say Michael Gerard "Mike" Tyson (born June 30, 1966) is an American retired professional boxer defeats Yip Man (1 October 1893 – 2 December 1972), also spelled as Ip Man,[2] and also known as Yip Kai-man, was a Chinese martial artist. One is a pure boxer , another is a pure martial artist.
Give me example of these fights
"Those are all MMA also WWF/WWE if you read thier profiles... Judo , Samba and defeated Judo , Samba ."
And? That has no bearing on what I've posted.
You asked for examples of boxers beating martial artists, and I gave you an example.
You asked for examples of boxers beating black belts, and I gave you an example.
You asked for examples of a "WWF" beating an "MMA", and I gave you an example.
You asked for examples of a "WWF" beating a black belt, and I gave you an example.
You asked for examples of a "WWF" beating martial artists, and I gave you an example.
etc...etc...etc...
Why can't you just be satisfied with the examples that you already have?
"Youa re not getting me ,
Let me give a example:... martial artist.
Give me example of these fights"
Look at the rest of Mike Tyson's career. It's filled with examples of him beating other boxers. Those are examples of a boxer beating other martial artists.
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