Some say the human eye can't see -30fps VS 60FPS-

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#1 Edited by tymeservesfate (2230 posts) -

http://30vs60.com/bf4-running.html

"Some say the human eye can't see above 30fps. See for yourself.

If the videos are off sync simply reload the page (F5). If the videos are stuttering close background programs.

> Stare at the left 30fps clip for a a few loops then look at the 60fps clip on the right. <"

-the link shows 5 different games as well. with videos of each game running at 30fps and 60fps...they are in a way better quality than the gifs i posted here too. the site challenges people to see a major difference. and i wonder...do you guys? do you see a major difference between 60fps in comparison to 30fps? for me, what i see anything its slight...THE 30 fps GIF IS ON TOP...60fps GIF, ON BOTTOM.

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#2 Posted by blue_hazy_basic (30128 posts) -

Can you stop re posting this please?

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#3 Posted by Heil68 (56335 posts) -

so everyone should look at buying a PS4 instead of Xbone? Bloody brilliant mate!

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#4 Edited by freedomfreak (48792 posts) -

I sure can. The difference is very obvious to me.

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#5 Edited by hehe101 (728 posts) -

Well considering the PS4 down scales it's fps so much that its barely at 60fps anyway. Not to mention the fact those two gif's aren't even that much different I showed them to two people and they said they look the same, It's so sad what sony fans cling on to.

Microsoft hasn't even used the full potential of the xbox yet and can look identical. Let it go people.

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#6 Posted by stizzal13 (609 posts) -

I think there is a noticeable difference, but I will say you notice it the most when you are actually playing the game. GIF comparisons are not that effective IMO.

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#7 Edited by MlauTheDaft (5189 posts) -

The human eye does'nt see fps at all.

Edit:

But those gifs are'nt really a good example. I can't tell a difference between them, yet I find it VERY noticable in actual games.

Good motion blur does a lot to mask the choppiness of 30 fps ofc.

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#8 Edited by ZombeGoast (437 posts) -

@Heil68 said:

so everyone should look at buying a PS4 instead of Xbone? Bloody brilliant mate!

More like the Wii U.

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#9 Edited by blamix99 (2685 posts) -

exactly the same thing they said with the PS4 and X1 comparison, but you can realize the PS4 is much more crispier than the X1. and its gonna be that way til the end

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#10 Edited by Ribstaylor1 (2186 posts) -

... I didn't even bother looking at the gifs. Zero reason too, I know there is a major difference between 30-60fps especially when playing in a competitive game. Anyone saying other wise has horrible eyes.

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#11 Edited by deactivated-583e460ca986b (7240 posts) -

I guess I don't have human eyes then.

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#13 Posted by PinkieWinkie (1454 posts) -

How can you not see the difference in the gifs is the question....

Dat thread backfire.

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#14 Edited by StormyJoe (7462 posts) -

There is a difference (admittedly, I really can't see a difference in those gifs, though). I don't think that when someone is in a fast paced game, he/she doesn't have time to notice the subtle difference between 720p and 1080p, though.

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#15 Edited by hoosier7 (4166 posts) -

Who cares about seeing the difference? I can't see much of difference in the two but can sure as hell feel it in anything with high sensitivity input. M&K in an FPS at 30fps is very noticeable.

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#16 Edited by Ribstaylor1 (2186 posts) -

@StormyJoe: When on my ps3 or even my computer playing on a 60inch plasma tv, I can notice a difference between 720 and 1080p. I must have amazing eyes, since so many people can't seem to see with clarity. 720 on any game on my 60inch is a blurry jagged mess unless I crank the aliasing up or do super sampling. 1080p is far better clearing up the image and making it far more crisp. I can even take it a step higher on my 1440p monitor, and get an even clearer and crisper image. Even on it I can notice a change sitting back a few feet between the three resolutions. There is a difference and noticeable one for both resolution and frame rate. There is no real debate on this just people on forums who don't know too much about anything or have horrible eyes talking out their asses about resolutions and frame rates.

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#17 Posted by StormyJoe (7462 posts) -

@ribstaylor1 said:

@StormyJoe: When on my ps3 or even my computer playing on a 60inch plasma tv, I can notice a difference between 720 and 1080p. I must have amazing eyes, since so many people can't seem to see with clarity. 720 on any game on my 60inch is a blurry jagged mess unless I crank the aliasing up or do super sampling. 1080p is far better clearing up the image and making it far more crisp. I can even take it a step higher on my 1440p monitor, and get an even clearer and crisper image. Even on it I can notice a change sitting back a few feet between the three resolutions. There is a difference and noticeable one for both resolution and frame rate. There is no real debate on this just people on forums who don't know too much about anything or have horrible eyes talking out their asses about resolutions and frame rates.

Interestingly enough, the only people who talk about 1080p being such an incredible difference, are cows.

Look, I am a technophile - I have thousands and thousands of dollars tied to my home theater, and I can admit there isn't a big difference. I am not saying there is "no difference", but it's negligible. You people talk as though it is a difference between VHS and Blu Ray. So yes, your eyes defy medical science - perhaps you are an X-Man and don't know it.

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#18 Posted by StrongBlackVine (13164 posts) -

@hehe101: Butthurt lemming damage control.

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#19 Posted by jun_aka_pekto (20089 posts) -

Using animated GIFs to compare framerates? Am I the only one who finds it quite silly?

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#20 Edited by Animal-Mother (27334 posts) -

The 60 FPS gif loads faster.

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#21 Edited by hehe101 (728 posts) -

@StrongBlackVine said:

@hehe101: Butthurt lemming damage control.

Nope just honest. People couldn't tell the difference. You're just mad because your whole 60fps argument is pretty irrelevant in reality =(

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#22 Posted by MBirdy88 (11089 posts) -

@ribstaylor1 said:

... I didn't even bother looking at the gifs. Zero reason too, I know there is a major difference between 30-60fps especially when playing in a competitive game. Anyone saying other wise has horrible eyes.

This.... some people are just blind to the differences... hell my nan can't tell the difference between sky and sky hd. my girlfreind can't tell the difference between her crappy laptop playing FFXIV and the PS4 version ... despite there being a massive difference.

Hell, she tried playing Tomb raider on our TV from her laptop.... I picked up the controller ... and Lara was taking ages to move... (well, chopping, desynced from controller movement.) yet she didn't realise.... she jsut thought lara was meant to be delayed like that.

I don't know the purpose of this thread... to push down the differences in FPS to make the X1 look ok? well you failed....

Its not just about what eyes perceive.... its the response to input... is infact a much bigger deal than the sight bit. a game at 60 FPS is far more responsive. god you can see that with games like Dark Souls PC version... over Dark Souls console version.

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#23 Posted by StrongBlackVine (13164 posts) -

@hehe101: 60fps makes a huge difference. 30fps is fine for most games, but it is not optimal.

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#24 Posted by Cobra_nVidia (2922 posts) -

If either of those gifs are showing actual 60 fps and 30 fps gameplay, that has to be the worst animated game ever made.

30 fps? maybe. I wouldn't be surprised if they are even worse.

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#25 Edited by Wasdie (52431 posts) -

Those GIFs are both at lower than 30fps on my PC and I'll bet on most others.You can and always will be able to see the difference between 30fps and 60fps. Denying that there is little or no difference is just staying ignorant at this point.

It's sad that in 2014 there are still people denying there is a difference all because of console fanboyism.

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#26 Posted by MBirdy88 (11089 posts) -

Another fantastic example.

Play Smash Bros BRAWL on a Wii.

Then play it on an emulator capped at 60 FPS... and tell me there is no difference....

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#27 Edited by donalbane (16383 posts) -

You feel the difference as much as you see it. When I got a 120HZ monitor and fired up Skyrim, which would run at 120FPS, I noticed a much higher feedback loop of my actions and the on-screen response. It's not something that can easily be demonstrated in an online format. The closest I've seen to highlighting the improvements was when they released the Ground Zeroes comparison video and showed snake running in slow motion. If you look at that video and claim not to see a difference, then you have cognitive or visual problems.

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#28 Posted by deactivated-583e460ca986b (7240 posts) -

@MBirdy88 said:

@ribstaylor1 said:

... I didn't even bother looking at the gifs. Zero reason too, I know there is a major difference between 30-60fps especially when playing in a competitive game. Anyone saying other wise has horrible eyes.

This.... some people are just blind to the differences... hell my nan can't tell the difference between sky and sky hd. my girlfreind can't tell the difference between her crappy laptop playing FFXIV and the PS4 version ... despite there being a massive difference.

Hell, she tried playing Tomb raider on our TV from her laptop.... I picked up the controller ... and Lara was taking ages to move... (well, chopping, desynced from controller movement.) yet she didn't realise.... she jsut thought lara was meant to be delayed like that.

I don't know the purpose of this thread... to push down the differences in FPS to make the X1 look ok? well you failed....

Its not just about what eyes perceive.... its the response to input... is infact a much bigger deal than the sight bit. a game at 60 FPS is far more responsive. god you can see that with games like Dark Souls PC version... over Dark Souls console version.

My wife and I played through TLOU together and she didn't know what I meant when I would say things like "Man this frame rate is kinda shitty." She also doesn't see the huge difference between Titanfall on PC and Xbox One. Trained eyes can tell the difference. Hell, I got in a huge fight on an Infamous Twitch channel because the streamer and the dozens of fanboys swore up and down that the game was running at 60 fps. And of course you can't post links in Twitch channels without getting in trouble with mods. I ended up having to prove I owned the game and a PS4 and talked a few of them into google searching the truth.

Infamous is a great example though of how great a game can look if you drop the frame rate from 60fps to 30fps. I'm sure 30fps will be the norm this gen. And lets see if 1080p sticks or not. Sony fanboys kinda shot themselves in the foot with all that "1080p and 60fps is the standard" hype.

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#29 Edited by tymeservesfate (2230 posts) -

@blue_hazy_basic said:

Can you stop re posting this please?

i was re-editing it. i'm not sure what the big deal is. how was it disturbing anything? this board gets around 3 new posts a day...its not like i'm disturbing the flow of it lol.

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#30 Edited by ghostwarrior786 (5811 posts) -

lol at the dc. playing a game at 60fps compared to 30fps is night and day, 60fps feels a lot more fluid

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#32 Edited by tymeservesfate (2230 posts) -

@PinkieWinkie said:

How can you not see the difference in the gifs is the question....

Dat thread backfire.

how can the thread backfire...neither console was mentioned. this is a thread about frames per, and i'm just asking a general question. can people legitimately see the difference here. not everything is fanboy wars buddy.

@Wasdie said:

Those GIFs are both at lower than 30fps on my PC and I'll bet on most others.You can and always will be able to see the difference between 30fps and 60fps. Denying that there is little or no difference is just staying ignorant at this point.

It's sad that in 2014 there are still people denying there is a difference all because of console fanboyism.

again, neither console was mentioned. you're the one making it fanboy wars, not me. it was just a general question to the community.

i myself said i can see a difference, be it slight. so i'm not sure how this thread is being called lem damage control, or DC at any level by me. just a topic for people to discuss...try relaxing.

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#33 Edited by pelvist (6186 posts) -

Those GIFs look like they are at the same frame rate. In games the difference between 30 and 60 is easily noticeable most games just feel so much better to play.

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#34 Posted by clr84651 (5627 posts) -

I could see that the 60 fps was running faster than the 30 fps.

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#35 Edited by foxhound_fox (95242 posts) -

If the human eye can see the difference between 15 fps and 30 fps, it can see the difference between 30 fps and 60 fps.

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#36 Posted by deactivated-58270bc086e0d (2317 posts) -

I can see that 60fps is smoother but it isn't so profound that I would choose one platform over another just for it.

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#37 Edited by Gue1 (12171 posts) -

higher framerate make the games feel responsive.

higher framerate reduces judder.

higher framerate make the games look cleaner.

higher framerate has more benefits than a resolution increment. Which is why I don't and will never understand why game devs focus so much in 1080p. Although framerate is not something you can see on promotional screens or trailers since most of them we watch them through youtube's crap video player. Youtube fucking sucks, especially when we have much superior and FREE options like Vimeo.

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#38 Posted by blue_hazy_basic (30128 posts) -

@tymeservesfate said:

@blue_hazy_basic said:

Can you stop re posting this please?

i was re-editing it. i'm not sure what the big deal is. how was it disturbing anything? this board gets around 3 new posts a day...its not like i'm disturbing the flow of it lol.

You posted this thread 3 times.

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#39 Edited by Sollet (8015 posts) -

I'll just leave this here:

http://www.gamespot.com/videos/reality-check-do-we-need-60-fps-on-ps4-and-xbox-on/2300-6415658/

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#40 Posted by tymeservesfate (2230 posts) -

@blue_hazy_basic: i did...? i didnt realize. sorry about that...i had browser problems. i guess it made the thread repost a few times. i'll delete the others, or u could if you want.

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#41 Posted by Krelian-co (13274 posts) -

it is very obvious when you are playing the game, not watching compressed gifs.

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#42 Posted by Couth_ (10369 posts) -

LOL at "60fps" gifs.... Try this with webm next time and it won't be a fail. The difference is pissening

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#43 Edited by CanYouDiglt (7884 posts) -

I could tell no difference.

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#44 Edited by shellcase86 (2820 posts) -

For the type of titles I prefer, it's not really important. I don't do MP and only do racers once in a while. However, there's definitely a difference in those type of games.

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#45 Edited by lostrib (49999 posts) -

I can't tell from the gifs in the thread, but I can tell just fine on the original website

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#46 Posted by gameofthering (10945 posts) -

The higher the FPS the better. I wish I could run all my games at 120FPS.

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#47 Edited by happyduds77 (1688 posts) -

I can, but it's not a big difference like people say.

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#48 Edited by blue_hazy_basic (30128 posts) -

@tymeservesfate said:

@blue_hazy_basic: i did...? i didnt realize. sorry about that...i had browser problems. i guess it made the thread repost a few times. i'll delete the others, or u could if you want.

No probs, I locked the other ones ;)

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#49 Posted by robokill (1392 posts) -

for some people sure, for me it's a huge difference. When the framerate drops below 30 for a second it ruins the game for me, at 60fps I feel more immersed and can handle small dips but at 30fps I usually feel nauseated and often can't finish or play games with low framerates because it's just not fun and I feel sick.

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#50 Posted by Cloud_imperium (14069 posts) -

60fps makes the game more immersive , improves controls' responsiveness and makes animations more fluid . A lot better experience than 22-28fps (so called 30fps) .