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#1 Juice_24
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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="VendettaRed07"]

They have to. I can't believe that they aren't. Do they think nobody notices these game delays? They can't even give us real Mario/DK games, we get stuck with low budget 2D games. Its been 8 months since it launched and there has been nothing to play since launch, and anything interesting isn't coming till next year at the very least. Im so disappointed in Nintendo. They have completely and utterly squandered their year head start because of their complete inability to make anything in good time.

They should have bought platinum already. They should be buying more studios. They need games, and need them desperately. Third parties aren't going to put in the effort of making something interesting if Nintendo isn't going to bother. They need to lead by example and get ambitious. But their laziness is going to really hurt them.

VendettaRed07

You're making a lot of blatant assumptions here. I don't get how a sequel to DKCR which is a game that was released to critical acclaim, sold like 6 million copies and was a fan favourite platformer for the generation is now not a real DK game and is low budget. They even got back David Wise who composed the original DKC trilogy which for the record was 3 games in a single 5 year long generation. I also don't get how 3D World is a low budget game. A) its not 2D and B) if you watch the Nintendo developer directs you can tell that they've wanted to make this type of game for some time. Even then I don't get this idea of "real" mario. The hell does that mean? Do you mean "game I would have prefered"?

Also, have you ever thought that platinum doesn't want to be bought? I think you have a wildly optimistic idea of what third parties are willing to do. They don't give a shit about the WiiU because not only is it basically a generation behind in power, its also selling like shit. It makes 0 sense for Nintendo to go out and try and release "ambitious" unproven tripe in the hope that someone will be like "oooooh, nintendo is doing an experiment, maybe we should start on one that won't be out for at least 2 years and the gaming landscape is again different!!1!!!" That's just stupid tbh, releasing games is just as much about oppurtunity and appeal as it is about quality. Nintendo can be accused as being lazy in a lot of ways but I doubt when their games get into the hands of players that will be the case unless all you judge a game on is visuals.

3D land is the bare minimum of what we could have possibly expected when Nintendo said "3D Mario". The pitch of the game is that its multiplayer based, but surprise surprise, no online multiplayer. Its just them being lazy again. Ok maybe lowbudget its harsh but its certainly overly safe they are clearly lacking ambition. Same with the new Dk.

Im not saying these are going to be bad games, but this was not the time to release these. They should have focused on what they could make to showcase their new system, take their characters into new directions that was not possible on the original Wii... So far wiiu is seriously lacking in anything that makes games feel like this is a new generation. Its frustrating. Sure 3D land will be good, but what are the odds that itll be better than the Galaxy games or better than what a fully explorable 3D mario game could have been? Highly unlikely. A new DK would be good, but will it be better than what Metriod Prime 4 could be? The ceiling for these types of games is not as high as what taking other series to a new level would have been.

Yeah, the wiiu isn't doing well, so giving people what you've already gave them MULTIPLE times in the last 5 years isn't going to improve the situation. We JUST got DK, on the Wii and again on the 3DS, do something new first!..

3D land isn't going to sell people a wiiu who haven't bought one already. Same goes for the new DK. That isn't a system seller type title. They need to get ambitous, or else who's gonna buy this thing?.. DO something new and interesting. Im not judging on visuals Im going by what has been explored before and what has not been. They have done 3D land, they have done DK, and several other types of games they plan on releasing soon as well over and over. They aren't taking these series to a new level which new hardware allows you to do. Nintendo has taken advantage of hardware to make new gameplay types that were not possible on the system that came before it except now. I mean they have online finally, and they aren't even using it.

X looks amazing, and much better than anything else on the system. Smash Bros. looks awesome as usual. But other than that everything looks disappointly typical.

You say Im making assumptions, well its dumb to assume that Nintendo experimenting with their franchises, or taking them in a new direction, is somehow a bad idea. Ocarina of Time, Metroid Prime, Super Mario 64, etc. I could go on, all took their established franchises and took them into completely new directions with the new techology available with them. Thats what they need to do. This rinse and repeat formula is getting old.. Nintendo got to where they are by experimenting with new ideas not playing it safe

And as far as platinum, fine if they don't want to be bought then w/e but its incredibly obvious that they need help and they need more studios because these delays are insane, and they just need more software because as it stands Nintendo doesn't look like they have enough in them to adequately support an HD console and a 3D handheld.

 

LOL becasue Microsoft, SONY,activition and EA, are the cornerstones of game innovation. How many dreary earth toned shooters did we see at E3?! and you want to complain about nintendo rehashing things? The bottom line to me is that lokig forward beyond the wiiU Nintendo needs enough studios, and enough development managment to get

A. Games out in a timely manner

B. A Diversity of games. NSMBU, SM3d, Donkey kong, rayman,+ are just way to many platformers in too short of a time. The system needs an exclusive shooter, a epic RPG, an action title.

C. Games that are quality. No more metroid other M or namco screwing up starfox.

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#2 Juice_24
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[QUOTE="conkertheking1"]

[QUOTE="Audacitron"]

Do Nintendo have any Western devs besides Retro?  Frankly I think they still haven't filled the hole left by Rare.

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Retro's getting there, slowly but surely.

David Wise on Tropical Freeze

Retro doesn't even compare honestly. Theyll never get there or be able to mimmick how rare carried Nintendo and gave them hit titles exactly when they needed it. They gave them 2-3 games a year, and not just any low ambition type games, blockbuster awesome titles. I think on IGN during the span of the N64 they gave the n64 7AAAEs, and 5AAes. Thats insanity. Nobody does that today. Not even in the media overhyped 9GN era

The style of their games also perfectly contrasted Nintendos own games to give the systems software much needed variety. Retro doesn't do this. Its no coincedence that ever since retro left there has been a severe lack of "edge" in any first party Nintendo titles. They make nothing like Conker, Perfect Dark, Goldeneye, or even games with subtle maturity like Banjo. I don't see Retro doing that either. Having that sort of first party variety with quality mature titles is so important because people who want titles like that would have to buy a wiiu to play them, and the odds of mature third party titles doing well on nintendos current platform if internally there was more variety, would be a lot higher.. Instead of how it is now where people who are interested in those sorts of games don't buy Nintendo consoles, so games like COD, AC, Watch Dogs, or even NMH or any other type of third party support they are given is sent to die.

Nintendo has never been the same since they let them and I don't think that they ever will be.

 

This, and Im upset , but i wouldnt go as far as saying there is NOthing to play on the system. You cant complain about the machine not gettign multiplats but then ignore RE:R, Monster hunter, Lego cities NFS, BLOPS2, ACIII, and other multiplat games. I bought the consoles for monster hunter and AAA exclusives any way.

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#3 Juice_24
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[QUOTE="locopatho"]DS and 3DS get good 3rd party. Wii was too weak to get games and they didn't sell anyway.

Give me a 3DS top million seller thats actually deserved to sell a million.
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#4 Juice_24
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3rd parties dont care about the Nintendo install base. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=594001 Nintendo News Nintendo 3DS Was the Best-Selling Video Game Platform in May Nintendo 3DS continued its strong year with another first: The platform was the best-selling video game hardware platform in the United States in May. The launch of Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D on May 23 and another strong month for Luigis Mansion: Dark Moon helped Nintendo 3DS software sales in stores increase by more than 60 percent over the same time last year. Nintendo 3DS also had two of the top three best-selling software SKUs for the month, with Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D at No. 2 and Luigis Mansion: Dark Moon at No. 3. So lets put things in perspective 1. WII sold like gangbusters, and it got shoddy 3rd party support. 2. 3DS is a top sellign system, and it gets paltry 3rd party support. 3. DS was one of the highest selling systems of all times and was ignored 4. WIIu has bad sales? Nintendo please forget 3rd parties, you have the money BUY namco/bandai, and sega. Buy a western FPS house! CRAP saints row just went up for sale buy that! Buy a studio can can make an NFL or NBA game.
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#5 Juice_24
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This is a 2 edged sword

On 1 handyou have the undisputed king of family games, and parents will have a safe bet.

On the other hand the system is already within a year over saturated with platform games. consider.

1. Rayman

2.mario 3D

3. new super mario

4. Sonic

5. Donkeykong

6. Yoshis yarn

 

The Wiiu needs more games like X bayonetta, metroid zelda ect.

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#8 Juice_24
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj7jSWEOdIk

CANT CANT W WE. Wait any Longer.. Must win E3

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#9 Juice_24
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I just got this from Kotaku! And I am so hyped for NINTENDO! Its shameful to be a 37 year old man with this kinds of love for a developer!

SHEEP LETS USE THIS IN OUR GIFS AS TEH NEW WAR CRY!

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#10 Juice_24
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By gragix do youy mean better looking dogs? 2486504-3514110690-dtkdm.gif

Did we forget that quickly How much the XBONe as a system will suck balls? Is halo and forza worth you perma renging the game? becasue youll never own it!

And to be honest the graphixs arnt even really that big of a leap