Jacanuk's forum posts

#1 Posted by Jacanuk (3461 posts) -

@dujubear said:

If so, what do you own?

I own the Art of Blizzard, and Art of Mass Effect. Pre-ordered Art of Naughty Dog, and Dragon Age Inquisition.

Oh and I own some artbooks thats free on Collector's Editions, like Diablo 3, SC2, WarCraft 3.

Hmm, depends , would never buy a standalone but in a sense i do buy the art books when its included in the collectors or deluxe edition.

#2 Posted by Jacanuk (3461 posts) -

@philp37 said:

Like GTA4 Rockstar Walk away from Billions w/ late release of DLC in GTA5. As an investor who has been run aground over and over again by this company's inability to turn it's franchises popularity into financial success the last 8 years. I feel this is warrant of some discussion here in the grass roots community.

Best example may be RDR.

Nice try but i think you might have better luck with this fishing in System Wars.

People up here tend to be more level headed.

#3 Posted by Jacanuk (3461 posts) -

@Jacanuk said:

@turtlethetaffer said:

@Jacanuk said:

@turtlethetaffer said:

@Jacanuk said:

@turtlethetaffer said:

I sure as hell am. I recently played the first game and it's just awesome in every way. I can't wait to see what gets done with the multiple characters aspect and what they do with the story.

What do you want to see? I personally would like to see masks make a return... The way they're doing it in this game I think is having each character have a set of abilities and weapons... Not sure if masks will still be a thing or not. Also, since there are multiple characters, how about some co op? That'd be awesome.

Also, level editor? Hell fucking yes. Who else can't wait for Hotline Miami 2?

Not here , didn't play the first and have no intention of playing it, don't like developers behind it or the 2d 80´s graphics.

What? Why the hell not?

The graphics and gameplay doesn't appeal to me.

Don't you love the Hitman games? Hotline Miami is stealth action too. Although more focus on the action part and arcade type gameplay.

Yes, i love the Hitman games but as a story gamer , i play games for the story and the games without a story has to have something else like good graphics, great gameplay or like Papers Please had choices that still long after lingers in the back.

Hotline Miami has terrible top-down graphics, bad gameplay and horrible controls imo so simply it doesnt appeal and hotline 2 is the same.

Your trolling is weak. If you haven't played the game what makes you think the controls are bad?

Tried a game and played a game is not the same thing.

And i didn´t say i hadn't tried it or didn't own it afterall its not like it hasn't been in a few bundles right......

#4 Edited by Jacanuk (3461 posts) -

@turtlethetaffer said:

@Jacanuk said:

@turtlethetaffer said:

@Jacanuk said:

@turtlethetaffer said:

I sure as hell am. I recently played the first game and it's just awesome in every way. I can't wait to see what gets done with the multiple characters aspect and what they do with the story.

What do you want to see? I personally would like to see masks make a return... The way they're doing it in this game I think is having each character have a set of abilities and weapons... Not sure if masks will still be a thing or not. Also, since there are multiple characters, how about some co op? That'd be awesome.

Also, level editor? Hell fucking yes. Who else can't wait for Hotline Miami 2?

Not here , didn't play the first and have no intention of playing it, don't like developers behind it or the 2d 80´s graphics.

What? Why the hell not?

The graphics and gameplay doesn't appeal to me.

Don't you love the Hitman games? Hotline Miami is stealth action too. Although more focus on the action part and arcade type gameplay.

Yes, i love the Hitman games but as a story gamer , i play games for the story and the games without a story has to have something else like good graphics, great gameplay or like Papers Please had choices that still long after lingers in the back.

Hotline Miami has terrible top-down graphics, bad gameplay and horrible controls imo so simply it doesnt appeal and hotline 2 is the same.

#5 Posted by Jacanuk (3461 posts) -

@notorious1234na said:

Hard core gamer vs casual gamer technically there is no real definition. False its definition changes with the times and each study on this matter categorizes gamers into subsets. Bottom line is majority of women don't play violent games according to some statistics. Naturally, the developers create games and cater to the demographic they feel they have the strongest connection with. It really is as simple as that. If you want to see more female playable characters in violent video games, play Asian games lulz they got a ton. Fine serious answer is we need more female developers.

Now as for your examples, you need to look up:

  1. Titillate
  2. Tomb Raider flopped according to parent company (a good campaign wont sell games need online multiplayer or some lvl or replay value it had neither)

Moreover, the discussion should strictly be about AAA games which to no surprise typically are violent and male dominated. Anything else is irrelevant as far as this "debate" goes. Many people like to use broad generic so called facts in order to back up specific issues. No that's improper shady discourse.

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Female representation idc, just give me a good game.

Shady discourse? No that is what you two are doing here. Look at the title of the thread and then look through the actual article posted. Where does it say a word about AAA games? It doesn't.... You are adding that little stipulation to the debate because your entire argument hinges on it. So you're doing that to try to shape the debate, which is a pretty dishonest tactic. This article and poll are not solely about AAA games. Its about gaming.

And ALL (not some, ALL) of the evidence we have available shows that almost half of GAMERS are female.

"Bottom line is majority of women don't play violent games according to some statistics."

Show me those statistics. I have shown you all of mine and you guys haven't provided a single verifiable statistic for ANYTHING yet. You just throw out all of these unsupported claims and expect us to believe them. Actually many companies make games that will appeal to the broadest audience because that is just smart business. And its you guys who are getting mad anytime a developer decides to include strong female characters, non-white races, LGBT, etc... If you really think that companies should be able to make the games they want then why get mad when they make games that include these types of characters? You guys need to start following your own advice.

Tomb Raider flopped? No, it broke the franchise record...

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/03/30/tomb-raider-sets-franchise-sales-goals.aspx

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/tomb-raider-for-ps4-xbox-one-sales-are-favorable/1100-6419539/

And they already have a sequel planned so it clearly did pretty well. Try again. I don't know where you guys get most of your information but you're almost always wrong about everything.

@Jacanuk said:

Well, since you are the one using the numbers as an argument its common courtesy in a debate to also be the one backing them up.

But i think you have the problem that there isn't any credible statistics out there that can accurately show how big a part of gamers are actually female, but some interesting numbers you could ponder is that in a game like Mass Effect just 20% chose Femshep over Maleshep, thats 80% who played a male character having the choice. So does that mean that 80% is also male , of course not but it shows that once people are alone and sit down they actually prefer male characters over female.

And its not about elitism. And do you really think that there isn't a difference from Candy Crush to Planetside 2? or from Hayday or 90% of all mobile games to AAA games on pc and console? Its about getting the facts right and not inventing reasons to back up a certain argument or agenda particular when the debate about diversity is not about casual games its about AAA games, its about games like Call Of Duty, Battlefield, Assassin Creed, watch dogs, GTA etc. So why would you use data that talks about anything but those games? also why should games like that change when you clearly seem to only hit a minority and when given a choice most go for the male, and before you say that the developers did a better job, ask anyone about femshep and its widely considered to be one of the best VA´s and stories in gaming.

So no gamers are not gamers when you and your group wants to change "hardcore" gaming and not casual gaming. since why would the industry change when it only benefits a minority and it doesnt get more females to play the game anyways.

I have backed up my numbers with several different studies from several different sources. Even a freaking Neilson one. Now you, on the other hand, have made several claims about numbers and have not provided a single shred of evidence. And yes, all of my stats are quite credible because this whole thing is about female representation in GAMES, not just specific games that you personally choose. This is about gaming. And no, as fare as that is concerned there is NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CANDY CRUSH AND PLANETSIDE 2. Both are games and the people who play them are gamers.

Like I said, if you want to go down the hardcore gamer route then your entire argument falls apart because the majority of male gamers are not hardcore either. The hardcore gamer market is pretty insignificant which is why most of those AAA titles you mentioned don't cater to the hardcore players. They are made for causuals. This is exactly why your entire argument is based on a flawed premise. AAA titles are generally made for casual gamers. There are very few major titles (like Dark Souls) that are created with hardcore gamers in mind. That is just the reality of the industry today. Casuals are the majority so your argument comes down to one type of casual versus another type of casual. LOL

First no you havent backed anything up , you have continued with the same worthless ESA reports that proves absolutely nothing, since they do not publicly disclose how or what they have used to get their results. and the Nilson report is as laughable as ESA.

Their reports are as accurate and usefull as if i claimed that Bioware´s result for Masseffect 2/3 proves that 80% is male because those chose a male sheppard.

Also i am wondering if you are just a troll because to claim there isnt a difference between mobile/facebook/candycrush gaming and Pc/Console AAA/Indie gaming is kinda laughable, But the key here is not really that, its that you use those general numbers who doesnt distinguies between the 2 to justify a agenda to alter "hardcore" gaming.

Let me guess you consider yourself a hardcore gamer and most male who beat you are either cheating or just scrubs right?

#6 Posted by Jacanuk (3461 posts) -

@Jacanuk said:

@turtlethetaffer said:

I sure as hell am. I recently played the first game and it's just awesome in every way. I can't wait to see what gets done with the multiple characters aspect and what they do with the story.

What do you want to see? I personally would like to see masks make a return... The way they're doing it in this game I think is having each character have a set of abilities and weapons... Not sure if masks will still be a thing or not. Also, since there are multiple characters, how about some co op? That'd be awesome.

Also, level editor? Hell fucking yes. Who else can't wait for Hotline Miami 2?

Not here , didn't play the first and have no intention of playing it, don't like developers behind it or the 2d 80´s graphics.

What? Why the hell not?

The graphics and gameplay doesn't appeal to me.

#7 Edited by Jacanuk (3461 posts) -

Where is the choice "none, all were games that is easy to forget".

#8 Posted by Jacanuk (3461 posts) -

I sure as hell am. I recently played the first game and it's just awesome in every way. I can't wait to see what gets done with the multiple characters aspect and what they do with the story.

What do you want to see? I personally would like to see masks make a return... The way they're doing it in this game I think is having each character have a set of abilities and weapons... Not sure if masks will still be a thing or not. Also, since there are multiple characters, how about some co op? That'd be awesome.

Also, level editor? Hell fucking yes. Who else can't wait for Hotline Miami 2?

Not here , didn't play the first and have no intention of playing it, don't like developers behind it or the 2d 80´s graphics.

#9 Posted by Jacanuk (3461 posts) -

@Jacanuk said:

You sound like Fox news, and your fact checking is pretty much the same and when you do find numbers you disregard the truth and just go on and on with lies and a misrepresentation of the clear cut facts.

Also do please link to those accurate reports that shows the gaming market for "hardcore" gaming IE Consoles and PC AAA has a exceptionally growing female base. Or wait you cant can you.

When I do find numbers? You mean numbers that show that women don't make up a big percentage of gamers? What numbers? Show me your studies. You have failed to provide any evidence at all other than your own opinion. Where are you facts? Where is your evidence?

And here we go again with the elitism. So anyone who plays mobile games or indy games are not real gamers? You have to play crap like COD or BF? Oh please... Once again, if you say that people who play mobile games aren't real gamers then I'm going to tell you that I don't think most console gamers are not real gamers either because the majority of them are casuals who mostly play dumbed-down garbage like COD. I don't care if it is considered a AAA title or not, its a simplistic pile of garbage that any casual player have success on because it does not require much skill. And I would say that WoW is a casual game as well on the PC so you can toss out anyone who plays that. My definition of "hardcore gamer" would porbably exclude about 90% of the people on this forum but we're not talking about hardcore gamers, we're talking about gamers.

Most companies don't make games just for hardcore gamers because that market is pretty small compared to the massive casual market on the consoles. That is why games are being dumb-downed so much. Developers want to appeal to this broader demographic because it makes sense from a business perspective. The fact is that the majority of gamers, both male and female, are casuals these days and those are the people that companies are now catering to...

Anyway, gamers are gamers, period. If you play any kind of games, then you are a gamer. Get over your elitist nonsense.

And I have news for you. I have Candy Crush on my phone and no one I have played with or against on any FPS game would dare to say I'm not a real gamer. ;O)

Well, since you are the one using the numbers as an argument its common courtesy in a debate to also be the one backing them up.

But i think you have the problem that there isn't any credible statistics out there that can accurately show how big a part of gamers are actually female, but some interesting numbers you could ponder is that in a game like Mass Effect just 20% chose Femshep over Maleshep, thats 80% who played a male character having the choice. So does that mean that 80% is also male , of course not but it shows that once people are alone and sit down they actually prefer male characters over female.

And its not about elitism. And do you really think that there isn't a difference from Candy Crush to Planetside 2? or from Hayday or 90% of all mobile games to AAA games on pc and console? Its about getting the facts right and not inventing reasons to back up a certain argument or agenda particular when the debate about diversity is not about casual games its about AAA games, its about games like Call Of Duty, Battlefield, Assassin Creed, watch dogs, GTA etc. So why would you use data that talks about anything but those games? also why should games like that change when you clearly seem to only hit a minority and when given a choice most go for the male, and before you say that the developers did a better job, ask anyone about femshep and its widely considered to be one of the best VA´s and stories in gaming.

So no gamers are not gamers when you and your group wants to change "hardcore" gaming and not casual gaming. since why would the industry change when it only benefits a minority and it doesnt get more females to play the game anyways.

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@foxhound_fox said:

@Pedro said:

@foxhound_fox said:

The majority of gamers are males aged about 31 (link). The market should reflect it's demographics. There shouldn't be equal gender representation if the market doesn't call for it. And race? Please. There are games with protagonists of all backgrounds and colours. This whole "everything should be equal" bullshit is ruining gaming.

Gaming is an art form. If the developer writes a story about an Italian mob family being at war with a Sicilian mob family, why would they include South Africans and Pakistanis as protagonists? There is no sense to this "debate". It's all about stirring the pot and not actually getting anything accomplished.

If women and ethnic minorities want better representation in games, they need to get into the industry and make the games they want to see. It's really that simple. Developers shouldn't have to bend over backwards to every extremely loud minority.

Please save me the absolute rubbish you and your peeps continuously spew. Your arrogance is astounding and just a sad cry for attention now. NO ONE is bending over backward for anything, so stop acting like they are. This fallback that gaming is an art form and devs should write stories they want etc is nothing but drivel at the absolute best. You are the reason there are inequality problems in the everything. It doesn't matter what race your are or gender, your mentality is the problem and all that think like you. You and the others cannot be reasoned with because any complaint against your "sacred" hobby is unreasonable and uncalled for and some sort of injustice. Please.... Gaming does not represent the population just like most of the other forms of entertainment. So don't berate me with rubbish trying to argue to the contrary. The good thing is that the diversity in gaming is inevitable and you and your posy CANNOT STOP IT, you might as well just get acquainted with it. Diversity in gaming is going to happen and is happening. This is the new market with new gamers and the vast majority of gamers in the next 5 years would not be the same demographic of today. :)

I take it you are a man.

More power to you, social justice warrior!

*salutes*

I just want to address your last sentence though. I've been keeping up with the ESA facts website since the beginning of the 7th console generation. Aside from the average age of gamers and total industry revenue, little to nothing has changed since 2005. Men will continue to be the majority gamer and the market should continue to reflect that. Go ahead and believe that women are going to become majority gamers any time soon, especially in the AAA blockbuster demographic.

Watch out Pedro, he is going to break out the ever predictable "white knight" insult. Its always their last resort when they have no arguments left.

Yeah FOX, nothing except that all evidence shows the number of women has been growing exponentially during the past decade. But hey, ignore all of the studies. You think women are still a tiny percentage so it must be true. ;O)

EDIT: I have never been a big fan of political debates but I am starting to enjoy this... Its almost as easy as when I crush these types of people in actual games. LOL

You sound like Fox news, and your fact checking is pretty much the same and when you do find numbers you disregard the truth and just go on and on with lies and a misrepresentation of the clear cut facts.

Also do please link to those accurate reports that shows the gaming market for "hardcore" gaming IE Consoles and PC AAA has a exceptionally growing female base. Or wait you cant can you.