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#1 Edited by Jacanuk (4720 posts) -

@Schwah said:

Whoh man, calm down please. I honestly wasn't trying to come off as condescending, so my apologies for that.

Let me try to be clear on this point at least... I am not pro drug, and I wouldn't dream of describing drugs as something "good". As previously mentioned I'm a rehabilitation counselor and the vast majority of my clients have duel diagnoses that involves substance abuse or dependence of one sort or another be it alcohol, narcotics or prescription drugs. I see first hand how some users with little to no money spend it on drugs instead of food or clothes for their children. I have clients with a long history of prostitution, theft, and in one case even homicide all centered around drug and alcohol use. My grandmother was an alcoholic and terrorized my father when she was drinking. My best friend in high school became addicted to pain killers after a car accident and still struggles to this day. And heck, I struggled like hell for years to quit smoking cigarettes before I finally managed to kick the habit for good. I think I have a pretty good understanding of the catastrophic potential that addiction in any of it's forms can have on the individual, families, and the community. We probably agree on a lot of points.

So knowing all of this why am I against the War on Drugs? Because of the manner in which it is being waged. History has shown us time and time again that prohibition does not work, and more often that not it's people that suffer the fallout from these sometimes well meaning agendas. In ancient China a ban on tobacco is though to have resulted in the dramatic rise in opium use. In Iran its illegal for Muslim citizens to use alcohol, but they have the third highest number of alcoholics in the Muslim dominated middle eastern countries. The United States own 1920's prohibition saw the birth of organized crime. And back to Harry Aslinger for a sec... very few people used marijuana in his day but because it grew naturally in 48 states he saw the opportunity for a colossal power grab. He demonized it, publicized it, and brought in a lot of money for the first federal anti-drug program. And what was the result over the following decade? An explosion in the use of marijuana that has yet to lose any steam.

So Marijuana (in most states), cocaine, heroine, meth, and all of the rest have been illegal in the US for a long time now but they remain an issue, and let's be real... they will always be an issue, just like alcohol, tobacco and prescription drugs. So I'll raise this point again, why keep dumping money into larger prison systems and the justice system (privatized and monetized now, no less) when we could be spending that money on better drug education and rehabilitation? Why toss someone in a cell with other criminals and the faint hope they come out a more well adjusted person when we could implement rehabilitative treatments that keep mothers, fathers, sons or daughters with family and friends who might be able to support them. Drug courts are a good step in the right direction, and I was pleased to see the PRC poll showing that nearly 2/3 of Americans favor rehabilitation over incarceration, but we need more help and fewer punishments (IMO).

Oh, and yeah, you're quite right about statistics and their potential for abuse, but I'm confused about your statement. Were you saying that you think Alcohol kills fewer people than drugs?

Ok, a slight misunderstanding then. the homework comment just had that feel.

Anyways you bring up some very good points. Opposite you i dont have a professional touch with drugs, i have how ever had to sit and hold a friend down because he thought he could walk on a staircase outside the window, which of course wasn´t there since we were on the 12th floor of an apartment building. I have seen another friend get so "high" on something some joker thought was funny putting in his drink that not even 6 cops could hold him down. So i do know what drugs can do and thats not even half of what i have seen. I used to do a bit of work for a Nightclub as a bouncer and 90% of the people we had to throw out was because they were high on something.

So you might say that this proves that the war on drugs doesn't work but the key here is to see the difference between the idiots who no matter what will get those drugs and those who are unnoticed but never touch them because they are illegal. Because this is where the war on drugs work, we cannot and will never stop the sparrow from flying around someones head, but we sure as you will hear a amen in church, stop some of them from landing on the head. Also legalizing drugs any drug, even the more common marijuana is giving up, and why stop there, why not give up on fighting crime? or put people in prisons, clearly both doesn´t work since people continue to commit crime and go to jail.

But i do agree with legalizing it for medical use, if it really does help , we should use it. And no i didn´t say alcohol kills fewer people, i said that its a bit stupid to compare the two numbers when so many people use alcohol.

#2 Posted by Jacanuk (4720 posts) -

@Pedro said:

@Jacanuk said:

Are you really seriously trying to dismiss Bioware´s Dragon age Inquisition as a forefront runner with feminist ideas.

Again what are these blatantly obvious feminist ideas that you said are being pushed in the game? You are avoiding the answer to this question.

I know you are not being serious and just out to troll.

But you can take the cover for one, the trailers, and the clearly gay female characters who look more like guys the girls.

#3 Posted by Jacanuk (4720 posts) -

@Pedro said:

@Jacanuk said:

They are pretty obvious so i´ll you figure it out ;)

The smell of a bullshit argument is refreshing. :)

Are you really seriously trying to dismiss Bioware´s Dragon age Inquisition as a forefront runner with feminist ideas.

#4 Edited by Jacanuk (4720 posts) -

@Pedro said:

@Jacanuk said:

Eh? well if you were reading the forum for the first time , you would still be misunderstanding what i was referring to.

What i meant was that Bioware clearly uses feministic idea´s and all the relationship/sex to catch the gamers who live for those kinds of fantasies and the game suffers under it, just think if they had spent that time on the ending in ME3 instead. The nudity is pretty much insignificant. Thats not where Bioware goes wrong.

What are these feministic ideas?

They are pretty obvious so i´ll let you figure it out ;)

#5 Edited by Jacanuk (4720 posts) -

@Schwah said:

@Jacanuk said:

@ariabed said:

I'm thinking it is'nt. Over the years all this money being spent fighting illegal drugs, and illegal drugs are still widely and readily available. No matter what the authorities do illegal drugs always find a way round.

I'm of the mentality of if you cant beat them join them and then put them out of business. Governments should be manufacturing these drugs making them safer and cheaper so people stop using street dealers. The drug trade is a multi billion dollar industry and this money is going to criminals and potentially going to terrorist, i'd rather the government was getting that money.

Maybe for people that are more financially challenged they could perform some sort of community service for an hour or two and be rewarded with the drug of their choice lol, sounds funny but at least they would be doing a good service to support their habit instead of crime.

People that wanna do drugs are already doing drugs so i dont think that making drugs (if supplied by the government) legal is going to destroy society.

Even as i write this i can see arguments against this but i think anything that could possibly reduce crime and take money/power away from the dealers is worth pondering on.

So whats your thoughts OT?

Of course the war on drugs are worth it, can you set a price on a human life? because i sure can´t and no matter how much you debate it, you cannot hide the fact that illegal drugs are a killer and destroy lives. And yes it´s easy to just go "hey but its the persons own fault" and yes sure it is but luckily most humans are not just without empathy.

I think it's helpful for those of us on the other side of this issue to see how one might come to the conclusion that the war on drugs is worth it. However, given the values you've expressed (human life, empathy) I think you're on the wrong side of this war.

First and foremost, the statement "illegal drugs are killer and destroy lives" is a gross misrepresentation of reality, but an understandable one given the misinformation that abounds when it comes to this particular topic. Did you know that more people die and/or suffer complications from legal prescription drugs than people who use illegal drugs? Did you know that alcohol kills far more people yearly than illegal drugs? Did you know that the toxicity level of many illegal drugs would take more than any human being could ever reasonably use to cause death? (picture someone eating 20 pounds of magic mushrooms or their body weight in marijuana, lol). Did you know that drug users aren't necessarily deadbeats? They're also successful doctors, teachers, clergy, congressmen, moms and dads, people from every walk of life... and hey, let's not forget presidents. This isn't to say illegal drugs can't be dangerous or misused or that they should be available for purchase at every Walgreens. The struggling heroin addict who steals or prostitutes for drug money is also a reality after all, but we as citizens need to do a better job of understanding the issues that surround drug use, the policies that have brought us to where we are today, and the impact that these policies are REALLY having. We also need to learn that you can be against the war on drugs without being "pro-drug." Think of it as being in favor of safe and responsible alcohol consumption while simultaneously supporting programs like AA for those who have a problem AND encouraging prosecution of those drink and drive and endanger others.

If the goal of the war on drugs is to put more people in jail, to give people criminal records and make it more difficult for them to find gainful employment, or to dump massive amounts of money into punitive rather than rehabilitative responses, well, then it's doing a great job! If the goal of the war on drugs is to prevent people from using drugs or HELP people get off drugs then it's doing a miserable job. For the record I'm a rehabilitation counselor and get to see most sides of this issue on a daily basis. Putting people in jail doesn't work, and hell, most drugs are readily available in jail anyway.

Here's some fun homework if you're interested, and it really is pretty interesting. Look up the history of marijuana in the United States and see how one incredibly racist man lied his way lied his way into criminalizing marijuana for personal gain. The congressional transcripts are pretty interesting as well. His name is Harry J. Aslinger. His quotes alone make him worth checking out. Here's a sample about marijuana, lol... "How many murders, suicides, robberies, criminal assaults, holdups, burglaries and deeds of maniacal insanity it causes each year, especially among the young, can only be conjectured...No one knows, when he places a marijuana cigarette to his lips, whether he will become a joyous reveller in a musical heaven, a mad insensate, a calm philosopher, or a murderer..." lulz

And its your right to think that i am on the wrong side, but i know i am not. I am also not for the legalization of marijuana particular not knowing how big the risk is for someone will end up using it as a gateway drug and looking at how young people destroy their lives, its sad to see that some people worry more about getting their next high then what happens to their fellow man.

But i must admit i kinda admire your propaganda and your attempt to paint drug use as something "good" and something that should be up to each individual. Because talk about a gross misrepresentation of reality. And sure legal drugs kills, alcohol kills but opposite drugs, alcohol has a much lower risk of making someone a addict. But nice try and also nice use of statistics to back up your arguments, problem with statistics is that they can be misused which is what you are doing here. Considering the amount of people in touch with some form of legal drug its actually not that many compared to the % of people using drugs illegally.

And sure i know that there are what you could call successful illegal drug users, but you seem to miss the issue here. The goal isn´t to help those who can help themselves, the goal is to help those who cant. So again i can ask can you put a price on a human life? how many lives destroyed by drug use is fine as long as the lawyer or you can sit down and smoke your legal marijuana?

Homework? wtf do you think i am a kid and you are the grownup educating me in what drug use is? drop the condescending tone, i know what i am talking about and the only argument i need for supporting the war on drug use even marijuana use is that somewhere a kid might not grow up with two deadbeat parents who are stoned more than they are taking care of their kid or the teenager who says "hey no i wont smoke this, its illegal" and ends up getting a education.

And the quote you try to use to back up your side is actually pretty good because it backs me up 100%. Because the key is that you do not know what will happen when people start to smoke marijuana and the risk of someone going "hey i might try this" is exponentially greater when something is legal then when something is illegal.

#6 Posted by Jacanuk (4720 posts) -

@thegerg said:

@Jacanuk said:

@thegerg said:

@Jacanuk said:

FYI - You could stand on your head and tell me that you are santa and i would still not care what you think or say.

Of course, denying reality and ignoring those that disagree with you. The basis of any constructive debate.

Right but not listening to you is actually not denying reality, its make sure you stay in reality.

And the reality is that when you debate with someone who think binary like you do, it would be a sisyphus task to continue and not just ignore the debate. Because in the end you get no where.

Binary? You're the one who thinks one can only either support the drug war OR care about human life. Talk about binary...

See there you go again, either its binary or its invent your own meaning and then argue from something that was never said.

Its like arguing with a kid over the candy before bedtime.

And that will be my last comment in this.

#7 Posted by Jacanuk (4720 posts) -

@thegerg said:

@Jacanuk said:

FYI - You could stand on your head and tell me that you are santa and i would still not care what you think or say.

Of course, denying reality and ignoring those that disagree with you. The basis of any constructive debate.

Right but not listening to you is actually not denying reality, its make sure you stay in reality.

And the reality is that when you debate with someone who think binary like you do, it would be a sisyphus task to continue and not just ignore the debate. Because in the end you get no where.

#8 Posted by Jacanuk (4720 posts) -

Unsure if I like him, but he does Wear his convictions on his sleeve, he makes certain you have no doubt about his ceitique and where it came from.

That garners him miore respect from me, then most reviwers get. Ofcourse that also Means that I don't agree with him on everything and I know what negatives he has, that I can dismiss, since he is adament of what and why he disagrees.

Also it is a pro that he is not afraid to go against what a potential fanabase might think, and do not cater to those.

There are a few others that I like, Gerstman tends to be damn sure you know what kinds of games he likes aswell, and what he finds a positive or a negative (Although he is more in a state of flux, where he seemingly do change taste in games relatively repidly).

and I do like Van ord from this site, althrough he seems less harsh on thinks he do not like, for an industry standard (which I disagree wtih).

Ofcourse there are also freelancers WHO try to make a name, that atleast on the outset makes good sense.

I like people who say what they think when the situation calls for it, like Ramsey, Cowell and others they aren´t afraid of hurting someone elses feelings or walk on eggshells around them.

But CB/TB isent one of those, all his opinions comes from the persona he puts on, his whole channel is after all called the cynical brit and people go there to hear someone be cynical. Its like with Angry joe and many others, they build up this character and they know that if they step outside that character to much, they will lose kids interest because its no secret that a majority who go to youtube to look up these kinds of things are young kids and some young adults who are afraid to stand on their own leg and have an opinion.

Which also why you dont see them hit it big in the mainstream media, just like the swedish muppet and many other youtube they are a 2min sensation and then most have had enough and step away.

#9 Posted by Jacanuk (4720 posts) -

@thegerg said:

@Jacanuk said:

@ariabed said:

I'm thinking it is'nt. Over the years all this money being spent fighting illegal drugs, and illegal drugs are still widely and readily available. No matter what the authorities do illegal drugs always find a way round.

I'm of the mentality of if you cant beat them join them and then put them out of business. Governments should be manufacturing these drugs making them safer and cheaper so people stop using street dealers. The drug trade is a multi billion dollar industry and this money is going to criminals and potentially going to terrorist, i'd rather the government was getting that money.

Maybe for people that are more financially challenged they could perform some sort of community service for an hour or two and be rewarded with the drug of their choice lol, sounds funny but at least they would be doing a good service to support their habit instead of crime.

People that wanna do drugs are already doing drugs so i dont think that making drugs (if supplied by the government) legal is going to destroy society.

Even as i write this i can see arguments against this but i think anything that could possibly reduce crime and take money/power away from the dealers is worth pondering on.

So whats your thoughts OT?

Of course the war on drugs are worth it, can you set a price on a human life? because i sure can´t and no matter how much you debate it, you cannot hide the fact that illegal drugs are a killer and destroy lives. And yes it´s easy to just go "hey but its the persons own fault" and yes sure it is but luckily most humans are not just without empathy.

FYI, the "war on drugs" isn't stopping people from doing drugs.

FYI - You could stand on your head and tell me that you are santa and i would still not care what you think or say.

#10 Posted by Jacanuk (4720 posts) -

@ariabed said:

I'm thinking it is'nt. Over the years all this money being spent fighting illegal drugs, and illegal drugs are still widely and readily available. No matter what the authorities do illegal drugs always find a way round.

I'm of the mentality of if you cant beat them join them and then put them out of business. Governments should be manufacturing these drugs making them safer and cheaper so people stop using street dealers. The drug trade is a multi billion dollar industry and this money is going to criminals and potentially going to terrorist, i'd rather the government was getting that money.

Maybe for people that are more financially challenged they could perform some sort of community service for an hour or two and be rewarded with the drug of their choice lol, sounds funny but at least they would be doing a good service to support their habit instead of crime.

People that wanna do drugs are already doing drugs so i dont think that making drugs (if supplied by the government) legal is going to destroy society.

Even as i write this i can see arguments against this but i think anything that could possibly reduce crime and take money/power away from the dealers is worth pondering on.

So whats your thoughts OT?

Of course the war on drugs are worth it, can you set a price on a human life? because i sure can´t and no matter how much you debate it, you cannot hide the fact that illegal drugs are a killer and destroy lives. And yes it´s easy to just go "hey but its the persons own fault" and yes sure it is but luckily most humans are not just without empathy.