Dark Souls Impossible to play with a friend

So it seems that these developers have made a wonderful game, but brings it way down by implementing the stupidest idea... It's nearly impossiilble to play with a friend you know, or simply not feasible. In demons souls it was difficult but at least it could be done with hard work... It seems with Dark Souls they've made it completely impossible...

Case: Me and my demons souls buddy planned on playing dark souls together. When Start playing dark souls, finally get our stones after being punished them make an attempt to summon. I'm alive, he's dead, we are both the same level, and in an area where a boss lives. We tried every which way, the sign does not show up... They must have made random dimensions on different servers with no relation to each other, so that it's impossible to technically locate someone you know. It sucks, and they need to fix this immeadiately... It's too great of a game to be drragged down by something so fundamental.

in order to do co-op in Dark Souls you will need to do a few things. First off you will need the White Sign Soapstone, Also if you are trying to summon you must of used humanity to turn yourself human again. The second thing you will need to do in order to play multiplayer in Dark Souls is beat the Taurus Demon.

link - http://www.gamersheroes.com/how-to-play-co-op-in-dark-souls

Did you not read what I wrote? That is not the problem. I know exactly what I'm doing and how to do it... The problem is that it does not work, because they intentionally don't want it to.

in order to do co-op in Dark Souls you will need to do a few things. First off you will need the White Sign Soapstone, Also if you are trying to summon you must of used humanity to turn yourself human again. The second thing you will need to do in order to play multiplayer in Dark Souls is beat the Taurus Demon.

link - http://www.gamersheroes.com/how-to-play-co-op-in-dark-souls

JayQproductions

Why all the pre-reqs? Unless everything they mention happens right in the beginning of the game, I dont see why they'd make it a pain to play with your friends.

Did you not read what I wrote? That is not the problem. I know exactly what I'm doing and how to do it... The problem is that it does not work, because they intentionally don't want it to.

jovahutcwsu

yes, i read what you wrote, but you said nothing about beating the boss needed to play co-op, just covering all the bases. other than that, from what i read there is no co-op with people you know, only strangers because they dont want you to feel comfortable, the game is all about being difficult and making you feel helpless.

[QUOTE="JayQproductions"]

in order to do co-op in Dark Souls you will need to do a few things. First off you will need the White Sign Soapstone, Also if you are trying to summon you must of used humanity to turn yourself human again. The second thing you will need to do in order to play multiplayer in Dark Souls is beat the Taurus Demon.

link - http://www.gamersheroes.com/how-to-play-co-op-in-dark-souls

firefox59

Why all the pre-reqs? Unless everything they mention happens right in the beginning of the game, I dont see why they'd make it a pain to play with your friends.

Who cares what they want, no matter which way you look at it, it's stupid not to let friends play together.

They made it that way intentionally....it is supposed to give the feeling of wandering around as a soul and getting help from people you don't even know. The game is supposed to be a mystery....not play with your friends and already have a pre set strategy to win. Another way that they made the game difficult. If you could play with friends you would be able to choose the classes that compliment each other and in return potentially make the game easier. They are never going to fix it because like I said at the beginning of my post....they did it intentionally.

Clearly this is not the game for you then. The developers intentionally designed the game this way. It's not stupid, it's doing exactly as it is designed to do. That's like going to a restaurant and ordering a meal and then complaining that they didn't make your food the way you wanted it.

While I don't think it's stupid necessarily, I will agree that the online is worse than Demon's Souls. I'm not sure how it all work quite frankly, somewhere I read there are different lobbies and that's why it's impossible to play with a friend unless you meet up by sheer luck. So yeah, a bit disappointing, but I'm still loving the game.

@Christopher... What's wrong with complaining and having the waiter make your food the way you want it? It is my food isn't it? I did pay for it, didn't I? Don't tell me this game isn't for me, I've probably got more time put into demons souls and dark souls than all of you...

I think many people agree with me that simple multiplayer is a standard in these times, even if they did want the game to "feel" a certain way... It's simply not acceptable among the majority of users. So fix it!

[QUOTE="JayQproductions"]

in order to do co-op in Dark Souls you will need to do a few things. First off you will need the White Sign Soapstone, Also if you are trying to summon you must of used humanity to turn yourself human again. The second thing you will need to do in order to play multiplayer in Dark Souls is beat the Taurus Demon.

link - http://www.gamersheroes.com/how-to-play-co-op-in-dark-souls

firefox59

This is actually what bothers me about these games. It is just the little things like this that make it too much to deal with...

[QUOTE="firefox59"]

[QUOTE="JayQproductions"]

in order to do co-op in Dark Souls you will need to do a few things. First off you will need the White Sign Soapstone, Also if you are trying to summon you must of used humanity to turn yourself human again. The second thing you will need to do in order to play multiplayer in Dark Souls is beat the Taurus Demon.

link - http://www.gamersheroes.com/how-to-play-co-op-in-dark-souls

Blueresident87

This is actually what bothers me about these games. It is just the little things like this that make it too much to deal with...

@wolf, have you even really played the game...?

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[QUOTE="firefox59"]Why all the pre-reqs? Unless everything they mention happens right in the beginning of the game, I dont see why they'd make it a pain to play with your friends.AWolfoftheCalla

This is actually what bothers me about these games. It is just the little things like this that make it too much to deal with...

[QUOTE="Blueresident87"]

Why all the pre-reqs? Unless everything they mention happens right in the beginning of the game, I dont see why they'd make it a pain to play with your friends.firefox59

This is actually what bothers me about these games. It is just the little things like this that make it too much to deal with...

[QUOTE="AWolfoftheCalla"]

[QUOTE="Blueresident87"]

This is actually what bothers me about these games. It is just the little things like this that make it too much to deal with...

Blueresident87

90% of gamers oppose this handling of online coop n dark souls... Wolf supports it...

90% of gamers oppose this handling of online coop n dark souls... Wolf supports it...

jovahutcwsu

the choice to play with a friend > not having a choicedoubalfa

I can understand how this may pain some of you, but I also find this to be your fault. If you bought this game expecting to play with your friends and just have plain dumb fun, well too bad. That isn't that game. So stop your bickering. Direct co-op wasn't in Demon Souls, it's not going to be in Dark Souls. Don't like it, well also too bad. I personally love the co-op system. I can easily find someone to tag along with and finish a boss or I can go farm bosses by assisting others. I don't honestly expect multiplayer to have much bearing on my gameplay time though.

@zombie, I realize that. All I'm saying is, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. At least in demons souls you could play with a friend by working really hard at it. In Dark Souls it's P2P, different lobbies, so it matches randomly with somone with a close ping. You might get lucky and get your friend in once, other than that it's random...

I can understand how this may pain some of you, but I also find this to be your fault. If you bought this game expecting to play with your friends and just have plain dumb fun, well too bad. That isn't that game. So stop your bickering. Direct co-op wasn't in Demon Souls, it's not going to be in Dark Souls. Don't like it, well also too bad. I personally love the co-op system. I can easily find someone to tag along with and finish a boss or I can go farm bosses by assisting others. I don't honestly expect multiplayer to have much bearing on my gameplay time though.

mr_zombie60

@zombie, I realize that. All I'm saying is, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. At least in demons souls you could play with a friend by working really hard at it. In Dark Souls it's P2P, different lobbies, so it matches randomly with somone with a close ping. You might get lucky and get your friend in once, other than that it's random...

jovahutcwsu

[QUOTE="jovahutcwsu"] 90%? its like you and 2 other people in this thread... i see nobody else complaining rofl...

AWolfoftheCalla

@zombie, I realize that. All I'm saying is, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. At least in demons souls you could play with a friend by working really hard at it. In Dark Souls it's P2P, different lobbies, so it matches randomly with somone with a close ping. You might get lucky and get your friend in once, other than that it's random...

so forcing a user is better than giving him the option to do it? doubalfa

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[QUOTE="jovahutcwsu"] [QUOTE="AWolfoftheCalla"][QUOTE="jovahutcwsu"]

@zombie, I realize that. All I'm saying is, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. At least in demons souls you could play with a friend by working really hard at it. In Dark Souls it's P2P, different lobbies, so it matches randomly with somone with a close ping. You might get lucky and get your friend in once, other than that it's random...

firefox59

so now it is your right to play with your friends? where is this "bill of gamer rights" that has this written? i want to play word of warcraft like a first person shooter.... but i cant, because the designers want me to play it like a standard MMO. they designed it that way... sucks to be me right? if i dont like it, i dont have to play it/buy it.

the designers have said repeatedly that they dont want you to play with friends, because they dont want you to be able to coordinate with anyone, feel comfortable, or communicate with others in the game world. The people you summon are supposed to be random travelers from alternate time streams in your world.... its not like inviting a friend over to kill some undead. The game world is supposed to be hard, uncompromising, and unfriendly.

they intended for the game to have co op so why limit it?doubalfa

[QUOTE="firefox59"][QUOTE="AWolfoftheCalla"] no its not... you act like the signs on the ground are random... they arent. if there is a sign on the ground, it is because someone specifically put it there. it doesnt, however, show every sign and every hint that has ever been placed on the ground. that part IS random. it doesnt match you with a random person if you click on a sign though, that is THAT persons signs that you are selecting...AWolfoftheCalla

so now it is your right to play with your friends? where is this "bill of gamer rights" that has this written? i want to play word of warcraft like a first person shooter.... but i cant, because the designers want me to play it like a standard MMO. they designed it that way... sucks to be me right? if i dont like it, i dont have to play it/buy it.

the designers have said repeatedly that they dont want you to play with friends, because they dont want you to be able to coordinate with anyone, feel comfortable, or communicate with others in the game world. The people you summon are supposed to be random travelers from alternate time streams in your world.... its not like inviting a friend over to kill some undead. The game world is supposed to be hard, uncompromising, and unfriendly.

[QUOTE="AWolfoftheCalla"]

[QUOTE="firefox59"] I don't see how you can argue this. We have gotten over the weird requirement to co-op. But not being able to co-op with your friends? That has NOTHING to do with difficulty. Why the game would force you to work with other people is like taking rights away from the gamer. Most people don't want to co-op with complete strangers.firefox59

so now it is your right to play with your friends? where is this "bill of gamer rights" that has this written? i want to play word of warcraft like a first person shooter.... but i cant, because the designers want me to play it like a standard MMO. they designed it that way... sucks to be me right? if i dont like it, i dont have to play it/buy it.

the designers have said repeatedly that they dont want you to play with friends, because they dont want you to be able to coordinate with anyone, feel comfortable, or communicate with others in the game world. The people you summon are supposed to be random travelers from alternate time streams in your world.... its not like inviting a friend over to kill some undead. The game world is supposed to be hard, uncompromising, and unfriendly.

What..? Why must that be true? Lets put aside whatever reasons they may have for not incorporating friends into coop.. At its base Dark Souls is meant to be a single player experience (or at least can be played as if singleplayer was the complete game). How can you not at least find co-op a worthy addition to these games even if you cant play with friends? Okay, it stinks a little bit not being able to have your loyal companion at your side for any duration of the game, but the coop is still really fun! Have you actually tried the co-op in this game? It isn't as arbitrary and mundane as you make it out to be.

[QUOTE="firefox59"][QUOTE="AWolfoftheCalla"]

so now it is your right to play with your friends? where is this "bill of gamer rights" that has this written? i want to play word of warcraft like a first person shooter.... but i cant, because the designers want me to play it like a standard MMO. they designed it that way... sucks to be me right? if i dont like it, i dont have to play it/buy it.

the designers have said repeatedly that they dont want you to play with friends, because they dont want you to be able to coordinate with anyone, feel comfortable, or communicate with others in the game world. The people you summon are supposed to be random travelers from alternate time streams in your world.... its not like inviting a friend over to kill some undead. The game world is supposed to be hard, uncompromising, and unfriendly.

AWolfoftheCalla

Dude, Hyperbolic is a form of the word Hyperbole, it isn't just a geometric function. And I don't care about what the devs intended, I'm just saying included co-op is kinda pointless if you can't play with who you want. People randomly popping into and out of your world isn't realistic so why not let you co-op with your buds.

[QUOTE="doubalfa"]no matter the y way you see it one should be able to play with their friend if the game is online capable.... imagine a board discussion: - "hey what about co-op can we include that?" - "yes, but only with randoms so no one can get help from their friends" - "but what if the player does want the help, or have fun with a friend on Dark souls?" - "fun? the only fun one can get while playing this game is when they're dead! they need to bleed their eyes because that's the way I wanted it to be"AWolfoftheCalla

Pretty much agree with the Wolf. This game has multiplayeras a luxury to the player to assist in the difficulty. This is a single-player game first, do not forget this. The developers are already throwing you a bone by letting you summon a random player to assist, something they didn't have to do, so they're not going to spoil you by decreasing the difficulty even further by letting you co-op with already known players/friends. For example, I had trouble fighting the Butterfly. Could not for the life of me beat him. Summoned help, and easily overcame him through silent gesture communication and teamwork, without chat. Kind of embarassed afterwards at how easy the fight was, realized all my errors preventing me from winning in the first place.

Bottom line is: Dark Souls is a single-player game with a misery loves company co-op system. This is the way the devs designed it, you bought, live with it, adapt, and enjoy. Not a big deal really. I'm having a blast rompin through the game world solo.

For anyone unclear on the proper use of the word "hyperbole" I suggest you check any of the fine dictionary websites available on the internet. I'm not going to participate in that discussion because it's idiotic.

As for the game, I like the system they used for co-op. At its core, this is not a multiplayer game. It's a single player game with multiplayer elements. The fact that you cannot opt out of Invasions, the fact that there's no voice chat, etc make this game unique and interesting. It's all about atmosphere and immersion. Demon's Souls did it the same way and that didn't stop it from becoming an extremely popular title. This game is brutal, unforgiving and frankly stressful but the sense of accomplishment you get from it is greater as a result. I disagree that co-op is "pointless" if you can't play with friends.

Too many games today are ruined by the developer's attempt to shoe-horn a co-op mode into what otherwise might have been a decent game (Resident Evil 5 being the worst example). Making a game true co-op requires slicing and dicing a game up into chapters, mission checkpoints, skirmish modes, etc. Doing so would have ruined this game. If that's what you're looking for, then maybe this isn't the game for you. You have no sympathy from me, however, because literally every other co-op game for the 360 (Halo, GoW, Army of Two, CoD, etc, etc) is already taliored to your preference so it's not like you've been left out in the cold.

-Byshop

Just out of curiosity, how many of the people on this thread who are complaining about the multiplayer have actually played the game versus just complaining because they read somewhere that you can't play with friends?

-Byshop

The problem is developers tacking on features they don't know how to implement properly. Either do it right or don't do it at all. I'd rather deal with AI than some random kid screwing aroundistuffedsunny

I'll take that as a "No" to my question then. If you haven't played it then you don't understand how the multiplayer works. I'd explain what makes it actually pretty cool, but you seem like you've already made up your mind so I won't waste my time.

-Byshop

The problem is developers tacking on features they don't know how to implement properly. Either do it right or don't do it at all. I'd rather deal with AI than some random kid screwing aroundistuffedsunny

no, the problem is gamers like you that dont understand that the system is implemented EXACTLY the way they wanted it to be.

The developers dont want players to be playing with friends... end of story. it is YOUR PROBLEM. not theirs. play it the way they want you to, or find a different game.

The problem is developers tacking on features they don't know how to implement properly. Either do it right or don't do it at all. I'd rather deal with AI than some random kid screwing aroundistuffedsunny

The Co-op is implemented very well. You obviously have not played the game, and therefore should not be speaking about the components of it, since you have had no experience with it. I assure you, if you tried it and didn't have the mindset "ZomG CanT play wITH BFF? TEH FAIL LOLOLOL" and actually embrace the idea that the game WANTS YOU to feel alone and hopeless ( in otherwords, WITHOUT friends) then the fact that the game offers even a form of cooperative play seems like a saving grace.

This isn't Call of Duty, this isn't Gears of War. This is Dark Souls, and all you have at any given moment is yourself. Self-reliance people!

[QUOTE="firefox59"]

and misuse of the word "hyperbolic" makes you look dense... nothing in my statement was exaggerated. so... coop is only meant to be used in a videogame to play with friends.... ever? period? Are you just making this stuff up as you go or what? have you read anything about this game at all? in pretty much every press statement having to do with the multiplayer features they specifically state they dont want the players to play with friends....you are MEANT to only play with strangers, because in the world of dark souls, you are on your own and the strangers that come into your world to help you are crossing over dimensions for a brief time. how many times do we have to tell you, the game was not designed to be played with friends.... you should have done your research before buying it.AWolfoftheCalla

Dude, Hyperbolic is a form of the word Hyperbole, it isn't just a geometric function. And I don't care about what the devs intended, I'm just saying included co-op is kinda pointless if you can't play with who you want. People randomly popping into and out of your world isn't realistic so why not let you co-op with your buds.

coop has a point even if you cant play with friends.... you can still play with others, and it plays an important part in the lore and mechanics of the game. therefore it is not "pointless". and "realistic"??? what part of dark souls is... AT ALL... realistic?