Well then your wrong.firefox59
I think you mean "you're".
-Byshop
Dark Souls Impossible to play with a friend
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[QUOTE="istuffedsunny"]The problem is developers tacking on features they don't know how to implement properly. Either do it right or don't do it at all. I'd rather deal with AI than some random kid screwing aroundAWolfoftheCalla
no, the problem is gamers like you that dont understand that the system is implemented EXACTLY the way they wanted it to be.
The developers dont want players to be playing with friends... end of story. it is YOUR PROBLEM. not theirs. play it the way they want you to, or find a different game.
I don't think you've done proper research on how the developers wanted the game to be either, so you're not allowed to criticize anyone. I have done some research so that I can criticize what you're suggesting from your point of view; it's something I like doing, so sue me. http://www.next-gen.biz/features/dark-souls-preview There are direct quotes from the director himself when Dark Souls was in the making, so this would truly be his ideals. "When playing in a dark, cold, gloomy world, the one place where the player can get some rest is the brightly lit, warm beacon fire. That players can set these fires up for other adventurers playing in their own game adds to the sense of co-operation, even if it's in a remote way. This is the feeling that probably defines Dark Souls more than any other." This is a direct quote from the article. It would seem from that context that the director did not want the player to play in a completely isolated situation, he wanted the players to feel a sense of presence from other players yet not directly interacting with all of them. This suggests that he encourages a form of multi-player which is currently non-existent or near non-existent due to certain issues. He never said that friends were not meant to play together; that was the self-assured image that you projected for yourself. The lack of text and voice chat is to give a sense of warmth from having someone near you, yet being unable to communicate because the summoned images are meant to be beings from another time; so actual communication is not possible. I assume this would be what the director wanted, after reading his article and ideals it seems that this was the atmosphere or feel that he wanted to give to the players, not a sense of complete loneliness. "These kind of battles are built into the game. It ebbs and flows seamlessly between single- and multiplayer, so that those distinctions are no longer really relevant. I think we have found a delicate balance in which sometimes players must compete and sometimes they must cooperate. That tension is interesting to me." Further down the article, another quote from the director. This quote shows that he is encouraging multi-player interaction be it PVP or co-op, Again suggesting that your own personal opinion about how the game was meant to played as a single player game; completely untrue and biased towards your own opinion. Another short article: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-02-24-dark-souls-1-5x-as-big-as-demons-souls "What's more, Dark Souls will be a multi-platform game and not a PS3 exclusive. From Software also has big plans for multiple multiplayer modes, although what those are we don't yet know." Another quote from a game website: the projected image towards the general public is that Dark Souls is a game that has multi-player modes and that it isn't a single player game. This is a form of advertisement that is given to the gaming websites, and if such an image is given to gaming websites yet when the product is finalized and not sufficiently fulfilling its projected capabilities, people will be disappointed in the product. Well this seems to be long enough and probably won't be read and I'll probably get trolled because I only have 1 post, but if you took the time to read it, both the articles and my analysis of what the quotes could possibly mean, perhaps you might understand why there's so much anger over the internet about the lack of a functioning multi-player system. I've been playing for 13 hours on Dark Souls and I've only seen around 10 pools of blood. On Demon's Soul's there were much more, showing that there is a problem with their server system, since its not showing the close yet far away atmosphere that the director wanted, right now the only atmosphere I'm getting is; lonely, alone, alone, alone, alone, feels like offline game single player mode with orange notes that lie. If you don't think there's a difference or a problem with Dark Souls when compared to Demon's Souls, then you either haven't played Demon's souls or you seriously don't care that much about games; at least not enough to criticize people about their opinions.
One of the main reasons why I got this game was to play with friends and have fun... Now I am wishing I never got this game.
[QUOTE="AWolfoftheCalla"][QUOTE="istuffedsunny"]The problem is developers tacking on features they don't know how to implement properly. Either do it right or don't do it at all. I'd rather deal with AI than some random kid screwing aroundNoobverest
no, the problem is gamers like you that dont understand that the system is implemented EXACTLY the way they wanted it to be.
The developers dont want players to be playing with friends... end of story. it is YOUR PROBLEM. not theirs. play it the way they want you to, or find a different game.
I don't think you've done proper research on how the developers wanted the game to be either, so you're not allowed to criticize anyone. I have done some research so that I can criticize what you're suggesting from your point of view; it's something I like doing, so sue me. http://www.next-gen.biz/features/dark-souls-preview There are direct quotes from the director himself when Dark Souls was in the making, so this would truly be his ideals. "When playing in a dark, cold, gloomy world, the one place where the player can get some rest is the brightly lit, warm beacon fire. That players can set these fires up for other adventurers playing in their own game adds to the sense of co-operation, even if it's in a remote way. This is the feeling that probably defines Dark Souls more than any other." This is a direct quote from the article. It would seem from that context that the director did not want the player to play in a completely isolated situation, he wanted the players to feel a sense of presence from other players yet not directly interacting with all of them. This suggests that he encourages a form of multi-player which is currently non-existent or near non-existent due to certain issues. He never said that friends were not meant to play together; that was the self-assured image that you projected for yourself. The lack of text and voice chat is to give a sense of warmth from having someone near you, yet being unable to communicate because the summoned images are meant to be beings from another time; so actual communication is not possible. I assume this would be what the director wanted, after reading his article and ideals it seems that this was the atmosphere or feel that he wanted to give to the players, not a sense of complete loneliness. "These kind of battles are built into the game. It ebbs and flows seamlessly between single- and multiplayer, so that those distinctions are no longer really relevant. I think we have found a delicate balance in which sometimes players must compete and sometimes they must cooperate. That tension is interesting to me." Further down the article, another quote from the director. This quote shows that he is encouraging multi-player interaction be it PVP or co-op, Again suggesting that your own personal opinion about how the game was meant to played as a single player game; completely untrue and biased towards your own opinion. Another short article: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-02-24-dark-souls-1-5x-as-big-as-demons-souls "What's more, Dark Souls will be a multi-platform game and not a PS3 exclusive. From Software also has big plans for multiple multiplayer modes, although what those are we don't yet know." Another quote from a game website: the projected image towards the general public is that Dark Souls is a game that has multi-player modes and that it isn't a single player game. This is a form of advertisement that is given to the gaming websites, and if such an image is given to gaming websites yet when the product is finalized and not sufficiently fulfilling its projected capabilities, people will be disappointed in the product. Well this seems to be long enough and probably won't be read and I'll probably get trolled because I only have 1 post, but if you took the time to read it, both the articles and my analysis of what the quotes could possibly mean, perhaps you might understand why there's so much anger over the internet about the lack of a functioning multi-player system. I've been playing for 13 hours on Dark Souls and I've only seen around 10 pools of blood. On Demon's Soul's there were much more, showing that there is a problem with their server system, since its not showing the close yet far away atmosphere that the director wanted, right now the only atmosphere I'm getting is; lonely, alone, alone, alone, alone, feels like offline game single player mode with orange notes that lie. If you don't think there's a difference or a problem with Dark Souls when compared to Demon's Souls, then you either haven't played Demon's souls or you seriously don't care that much about games; at least not enough to criticize people about their opinions. while thinking you were "bashing" me, you were just proving my point. the developers did not want you to play with friends. end of thread.and that is your fault for not doing research on the game before buying, not the developers. perhaps next time you will be a little more diligent huh?One of the main reasons why I got this game was to play with friends and have fun... Now I am wishing I never got this game.
topcat5665
I honestly cannot stand the gamer elitists like Wolf.
I love to play a great single player game. It's why I love gaming, probably #1 reason.
I also love epic multiplayer.
What I don't get, is why a game like dark souls, which makes humanity SO scarce, as in, you can barely summon your friends as it is, would completely **** you over at finding one of your friends in co-op, ESPECIALLY WHEN DEMON'S SOULS LET YOU FIND FRIENDS!!
and that is the key point. Demon's Souls let you find friends via stone placement. Dark Souls doesn't. and that is an absolutely massive step down. In fact, it prevented my roommate from dropping 70 bucks on the game and more on an xbox live subscription to play it with me.
Additionally:
I don't want to hear "It's supposed to be lonely." because = It is SUPER HARD to get a friend into the game anyways, due to humanity being scarce and having to talk and time a soapstone. It is lonely. Almost all of the time.
Look at the Dark Souls official forum. You will see at least 15 threads about the lack of friend to friend co op, including a signature thread. People want this, because co op in this game was promised, and would be amazing. It only has to be implemented like it was in DEMON'S SOULS and not on different servers liek it is now.
[QUOTE="Byshop"]actually if you had any logical thought in your brain, you would have been able to follow the fact that the topic creator was complaining that he couldnt play with friends.... and a few of us were point out that dark souls was never meant to be played with friends. whether or not the matchmaking system is working properly from a technical standpoint is A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TOPIC. from personal experience, i would say that there is clearly something wrong with how the servers match people. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TOPIC OF THE THREAD HOWEVER. im sorry you werent able to follow the thread.Great post, Noobverest. Unfortunately the detractors in this thread are more interested in just flaming than actually discussing the pros and cons of the multiplayer in Dark Souls.
-Byshop
AWolfoftheCalla
Wolf,
I read noobverest's post (along with the entire thread) very carefully, and I'm pretty sure noobverest's post was in response to istuffedsunny's post and not yours. Both noobverest and I were arguing in favor of your position that co-op is exactly as it should be in Dark Souls. Before you accuse me of not following the thread, why don't read all of my posts and not just take my last post out of context.
The point is, I agree with you but if you're going to act like a jerk you're on your own.
-Byshop
actually if you had any logical thought in your brain, you would have been able to follow the fact that the topic creator was complaining that he couldnt play with friends.... and a few of us were point out that dark souls was never meant to be played with friends. whether or not the matchmaking system is working properly from a technical standpoint is A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TOPIC. from personal experience, i would say that there is clearly something wrong with how the servers match people. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TOPIC OF THE THREAD HOWEVER. im sorry you werent able to follow the thread.[QUOTE="AWolfoftheCalla"][QUOTE="Byshop"]
Great post, Noobverest. Unfortunately the detractors in this thread are more interested in just flaming than actually discussing the pros and cons of the multiplayer in Dark Souls.
-Byshop
Byshop
Wolf,
I read noobverest's post (along with the entire thread) very carefully, and I'm pretty sure noobverest's post was in response to istuffedsunny's post and not yours. Both noobverest and I were arguing in favor of your position that co-op is exactly as it should be in Dark Souls. Before you accuse me of not following the thread, why don't read all of my posts and not just take my last post out of context.
The point is, I agree with you but if you're going to act like a jerk you're on your own.
-Byshop
actually... if you look, he is quoting me, and telling me i am wrong.
"Noobverest wrote: I don't think you've done proper research on how the developers wanted the game to be either, so you're not allowed to criticize anyone."
when in fact... i am very RIGHT. he is arguing that the technical nature of the multiplayer is not functioning properly... which i agree. it clearly isnt working right as you almost never find people waiting to be summoned. HOWEVER, that was NOT the topic of discussion in this thread..... the thread was created to discuss why the game didnt allow you to play with friends directly.... he is arguing something completely different from the intent of the thread, and i corrected him.
i dont see how that is me being a jerk. i see that as me keeping the thread on topic...
actually... if you look, he is quoting me, and telling me i am wrong.
"Noobverest wrote: I don't think you've done proper research on how the developers wanted the game to be either, so you're not allowed to criticize anyone."
when in fact... i am very RIGHT. he is arguing that the technical nature of the multiplayer is not functioning properly... which i agree. it clearly isnt working right as you almost never find people waiting to be summoned. HOWEVER, that was NOT the topic of discussion in this thread..... the thread was created to discuss why the game didnt allow you to play with friends directly.... he is arguing something completely different from the intent of the thread, and i corrected him.
i dont see how that is me being a jerk. i see that as me keeping the thread on topic...
AWolfoftheCalla
He quoted your post, but Sunny's post was inside your quoted post and was the one that had the more contrary position. Churlish comments like "actually if you had any logical thought in your brain" and condecending remarks like "im sorry you werent able to follow the thread" are examples of you acting like a jerk. You're on your own.
-Byshop
[QUOTE="ChristopherRage"]
That's like going to a restaurant and ordering a meal and then complaining that they didn't make your food the way you wanted it.
Spikenenspikspi
LOL, sorry but I just had to login and tell you that's the stupidest f*****g analogy I've ever heard.
indeed... if my food wasnt made the way i wanted it... i would complain!well Main point being, 1. Devs never said you can't play dark souls with friends. 2. They said they improved multi-player from Demon's Souls; so it would be assumed you would have a similar but improved experience when compared to Demon's 3. The consumers have every right to complain about whatever they're not satisfied when it can be solved simply by merging or allowing players to select a given server. 4. The original poster has every right to complain about being impossible to play with friends. Blame the advertisements for Dark Souls, saying that you could.NoobverestThank you
Why are people still complaining about this? Co-op was never promised, and the way you did multi-player in Demon's Souls was obviously a circumventing of the system that the developer did not encourage. So to actually cut off that circumventing, you are now in lobbies, so you probably won't find your friend. You can't play with your friends. Period. If you were expecting to play with your friends, you should have done more research before buying the game. If you want to play with your friends, go play Gears of War 3. So either toughen up or sell the game.
I am 35 hours into Dark Souls, and am mostly done with the main story, and I have not once used my white soapstone (my choice). I am very grateful for many of the notes left for me, and I hope my notes have helped others. That's the way you play, with a vague sense of community, and gratefulness to a stranger. The game isn't the way you specifically want it, well that's too bad. Personally, I prefer it the way it is by a country mile.
Why are people still complaining about this? Co-op was never promised, and the way you did multi-player in Demon's Souls was obviously a circumventing of the system that the developer did not encourage. So to actually cut off that circumventing, you are now in lobbies, so you probably won't find your friend. You can't play with your friends. Period. If you were expecting to play with your friends, you should have done more research before buying the game. If you want to play with your friends, go play Gears of War 3. So either toughen up or sell the game. I am 35 hours into Dark Souls, and am mostly done with the main story, and I have not once used my white soapstone (my choice). I am very grateful for many of the notes left for me, and I hope my notes have helped others. That's the way you play, with a vague sense of community, and gratefulness to a stranger. The game isn't the way you specifically want it, well that's too bad. Personally, I prefer it the way it is.homegirl218035 hours? really? i know people who have been playing for 80-100 and they still arent done. you are apparently blazing through.... or not having any issues with the difficulty.
[QUOTE="homegirl2180"]Why are people still complaining about this? Co-op was never promised, and the way you did multi-player in Demon's Souls was obviously a circumventing of the system that the developer did not encourage. So to actually cut off that circumventing, you are now in lobbies, so you probably won't find your friend. You can't play with your friends. Period. If you were expecting to play with your friends, you should have done more research before buying the game. If you want to play with your friends, go play Gears of War 3. So either toughen up or sell the game. I am 35 hours into Dark Souls, and am mostly done with the main story, and I have not once used my white soapstone (my choice). I am very grateful for many of the notes left for me, and I hope my notes have helped others. That's the way you play, with a vague sense of community, and gratefulness to a stranger. The game isn't the way you specifically want it, well that's too bad. Personally, I prefer it the way it is.AWolfoftheCalla35 hours? really? i know people who have been playing for 80-100 and they still arent done. you are apparently blazing through.... or not having any issues with the difficulty. The IGN reviewer only took 50-60 hours to beat her file. I know a guy who has beaten it and told me the area progression and I'm over 60% done. I probably will stop before the final area and go and kill all the optional bosses (if I'm good enough)/explore.
After reading extensively, I am truly against the no co-op with friends idea. The elitists can enjoy their lonely experience and finish their game. What then? Move onto another game? I bought dark souls over all the new shooters rpgs racing games etc because If it were anything like demon souls, which I have put over 200 hours into, it would be the most enjoyable experience over all other decisions. The sole reason I have that many hours(this may be few compared to others) was because of the multiplayer. Not random multiplayer, but multiplayer with my mates. Goofing around, using the same weapon, pvping, you name it. Else I would have stopped after my first playthrough. If you can't cut it loose once in a while, dark souls would only be a job more than a game in my opinion. Luckily we can still share our adventures over skype, but sooner or later that won't cut it. I agree that I have not researched before buying the game, but the only research there was when I preordered 3 months ago was a few trailers. I basically crossed my fingers and prayed.
In a business standpoint, If I had bought dark souls and encouraged friends to join me, as well as other people having the idea. Not only would the community grow, the developers would get credit for creating a well made online-singleplayer game as they have for Demon Souls. This will not be the case here if this persists. If it IS broke, then go fix it. People like options, not constrictions. IF you really don't need help and like to sit in a damp corner crying, sign off the internet and play single player. If you have tried dark souls multiplayer, I won't say it's easy, but it's the same flair as demon souls. Once someone helps out, of course it will be easier. So what difference does it make if you know the guy or not?
The best way I could describe Demon Souls is that it was a remarkable experience, Dark Souls has the flavor and flair but it just lacks the passion.
So before you tell anyone to not play the game because they aren't satisfied with it, then just imagine yourself in a sinking boat filled with endangered pandas.
SOMEBODY GET SOME DARN HAMMER AND NAILS
Read my posts please and thank you, I have two detailed posts earlier on and it'll clearly show that they did; in fact promise co-op just never specified with friends or not. And at this moment in time, because you haven't chosen to drop your soul stone and enjoy a multi-player experience, there are others that do. If you bothered to try a multi-player experience it would be near impossible be it invasions or helping random strangers. There are simply too many servers for too little players, there's not enough population in a given area in the game. The main problem here isn't just that you can connect to your friends (should be allowed to choose but w.e that's not the point), its that online multi-player isn't working efficiently. I've tried multi-player yesterday and I only got summoned once in 1 hour. Plus because of the different servers, If you paid any attention to the floor when walking, there were TONS of blood pools back in Demon's Souls; since it was a dedicated server. However, in Dark Souls there's significantly less blood stains on the ground so it'd be pretty hard to see how another player died. (this point was advertised in all the trailers/reviews and the reviewers assumed that they had a small server pop due to selected individuals being allowed to participate.) According to the developer, Dark Souls was meant to be a single player rpg element with multi-player content. Your "Co-op was never promised," is a statement of personal opinion which does not project the ideals of the developers. Multi-player content meant that you would have invasions and allies to help you along the way. This bit was promised; and I have an article linked in page 3 of this thread which shows a detailed interview with the developer of the game pre-release to demons souls. Anyways, as I've said to the other people complaining about people complaining. How about you do some research yourself before criticizing other people. There were promises of a similar system to Demon's Souls which is currently not working or inefficient, and people have every right to complain about it due to false promises. You can blame the advertisements, the developers, but you're not allowed to blame the consumers, because they're only requesting for what was promised by the numerous advertising techniques; which produced an image where Dark Souls was a hardcore, single player with multi-player co-op game, which was heavily based on pvp for end game.Why are people still complaining about this? Co-op was never promised, and the way you did multi-player in Demon's Souls was obviously a circumventing of the system that the developer did not encourage. So to actually cut off that circumventing, you are now in lobbies, so you probably won't find your friend. You can't play with your friends. Period. If you were expecting to play with your friends, you should have done more research before buying the game. If you want to play with your friends, go play Gears of War 3. So either toughen up or sell the game.
I am 35 hours into Dark Souls, and am mostly done with the main story, and I have not once used my white soapstone (my choice). I am very grateful for many of the notes left for me, and I hope my notes have helped others. That's the way you play, with a vague sense of community, and gratefulness to a stranger. The game isn't the way you specifically want it, well that's too bad. Personally, I prefer it the way it is by a country mile.
homegirl2180
Thank you for being a complete arse. Please stop wasting everyone's time and don't log in anymore. My point was if you go to a restauraunt and see a cheese burger on the menu that says...hamburger, lettuce, tomato, pickles. You order it because it sounds good and then **** because they didnt use the same brand or Ameircan cheese that you buy at home. You do the research, you see what the developers intended to do and you **** because they gave you what you wanted. Maybe it wasnt the best analogy because it was 3 in the freakin morning!LOL, sorry but I just had to login and tell you that's the stupidest f*****g analogy I've ever heard.
Spikenenspikspi
In all honesty I love this game to death but this is a really big issue. Even bigger than me being cursed in the depths haha. I have like 20 friends I met on Demon's Souls who I now can't play with, and two friends in real life who I can't play with. We turn off our ps3s, log in, log out, run around into different areas, and we are always on different servers. There is no chance we are able to play together and that honestly is pretty brutal. I was looking forward to beating the bosses with him, showing him bonfires, shortcuts etc. Now we just skype and play at the same time... alone in our games.
It should also be noted that the online is flawed whether they wanted us to play with friends at all. For the last hour I've had my Soapstone down while reading about any possible solutions to this issue, and haven't been summoned once. That right there is unnacceptable, and this online is a huge step down from Demon's souls. It's a shame cause the rest of the game is absolutely outstanding.
Play something else, and possible try and be a little more respectful to other gamers that are trying to help you!
Ok - kinda late to the party......and i admit I have not played either Demon Souls or Dark Souls......
But after reading the review of Dark Souls it kinda took my interest as I had not really heard much about it....
I have seen a few posts about the online/co-op/multiplayer (call it what you will) aspect......
So could someone explain to me (in small words if possible.....lol) how the multiplayer works in this game.....
I have watched the video review so I kinda get it but it would be good to hear from people who play it....
(I am not really into on-line MP much so this game has caught my eye)
Thanks
[QUOTE="topcat5665"]and that is your fault for not doing research on the game before buying, not the developers. perhaps next time you will be a little more diligent huh? You need to chill. This may come as a surprise to you,but not everyone does "research" on a game before buying. The back of the game case says Co-op 2-4. Most people would see this and assume that they would be able to play the game with their friends. Heck,every game in my library that says "Co-op" means exactly that, my friends and I can throw the game on and play together. I had no prior knowledge of Dark Souls,or Demon Souls, going into the game store. My friend and I were looking for something we could play together and looked at the case and saw "Co-op",we thought the game looked cool so we both bought a copy only to get home and realize we could not play together. The game should say "Single player,with some Online components" or something like that. It really is false advertising. I do really like the game,but it isn't at all what I thought I was buying. My friend wont play it tho and feels jipped. It really is a great game imo,and if it did have full on co-op it would be game of the year in my book. Hopefully they're taking notes for future referance.One of the main reasons why I got this game was to play with friends and have fun... Now I am wishing I never got this game.
AWolfoftheCalla
[QUOTE="AWolfoftheCalla"][QUOTE="topcat5665"]and that is your fault for not doing research on the game before buying, not the developers. perhaps next time you will be a little more diligent huh? You need to chill. This may come as a surprise to you,but not everyone does "research" on a game before buying. The back of the game case says Co-op 2-4. Most people would see this and assume that they would be able to play the game with their friends. Heck,every game in my library that says "Co-op" means exactly that, my friends and I can throw the game on and play together. I had no prior knowledge of Dark Souls,or Demon Souls, going into the game store. My friend and I were looking for something we could play together and looked at the case and saw "Co-op",we thought the game looked cool so we both bought a copy only to get home and realize we could not play together. The game should say "Single player,with some Online components" or something like that. It really is false advertising. I do really like the game,but it isn't at all what I thought I was buying. My friend wont play it tho and feels jipped. It really is a great game imo,and if it did have full on co-op it would be game of the year in my book. Hopefully they're taking notes for future referance. oh ok.... so it is the developers fault that you didnt do research on a game before buying. so.... you have a right to complain that a game doesnt do something you want it to do even though you did ZERO research on the game before buying it. does the back of the box say 2-4 player coop WITH FRIENDS? you made an assumption, based on NOTHING. it is YOUR fault. so if you went to buy a car that was advertised to have a CD player and you buy it hoping that it has a CD changer as well, but didnt ACTUALLY check to see if it had a CD changer, you have a right to go back to the manufacturer and complain that you bought a car that doesnt do what you want it to do? you have got to be **** joking me.One of the main reasons why I got this game was to play with friends and have fun... Now I am wishing I never got this game.
DarkNerve
No game in history has put "with friends" after co-op, don't make ridiculous statements. Co-op implies certain things. Even if you wanted to blame the gamers for expecting something that defies the point of co-op, there have been plenty of quotes and links posted in this thread showing what the devs claimed the game would be and its not. You just choose to ignore them.
Thats what the waiter is for, to know how you want the food made.Willypete59Reviving a post on its one year anniversary... To say that... *slow clap*
I know, right? I mean, screw creative integrity and vision. All developers should be wholly compromising to the masses. While they're doing that, they should also make the game significantly easier because it really does push away a lot of potential buyers.Who cares what they want, no matter which way you look at it, it's stupid not to let friends play together.
jovahutcwsu
Clearly this is not the game for you then. The developers intentionally designed the game this way. It's not stupid, it's doing exactly as it is designed to do.
It being intentional doesn't keep something from being stupid. I personally found the Souls games more fun with a friend, so hopefully they acknowledge the fact that people are going to play this way anyway and implement a feature to make it easier to join each other's games in future games.
That's like going to a restaurant and ordering a meal and then complaining that they didn't make your food the way you wanted it.ChristopherRage
No it isn't.
I didn't have any trouble playing with my friend. We would just coordinate over the phone where we were going to put our summon sign and it'd show up usually within a couple minutes.
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