Without a doubt, the PS3 will beat the 360 in Japan, Europe, AND America

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#1 nogginkl
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This year, you will see insecurity being expressed by more and more 360 supporters. No doubt about it. The PS3 has basically won Japan. It's winning weekly sales in Europe, and should surpass the 360 there in life-time install base by summer or fall. In America, the value of the PS3 is being appreciated more and more. Its games are getting better as developers master the PS3's power. Its reliability is being talked about. Blu-ray is pretty much the next-gen format. And the HD DVD fanboys (basically accepting defeat) aren't trying to malign the PS3 like last year. You see, last year, the PS3 had to fight the 360 supporters AND the HD DVD supporters. Not this year and going forward. In forums like Gamespot and other sites, negativity towards the PS3 has been much down relative the last year. So, this year, with major exclusives coming, the PS3 is looking very good indeed.

Smart thinking for Microsoft would be to accept third place world Wide, fight for 2nd place in America, and leave this generation with some profits. If lemmings here hope that Microsoft will be 2nd place world wide, you'll be disappointed. The most likely scenario, to me, is that even in America, the 360 will be last. In fact, it's without a doubt.

Microsoft will chose profits over its place in the system war. They were willing to lose money to get their name in the game last gen. With the first XBOX, they lost more than 4 billion dollars (?), and with the 360 they still haven't made money overall. Last year, they made a few hundred millions, but this doesn't make up for the more than 1 billion dollars set aside for the Red Ring of Death. Also, don't forget the money they lost for selling the consoles at a loss the last two years. The XBOX brand is already well known now. So, they must care more about profitability than selling the most consoles, and using this profitability for the next round of system wars.

GOING FORWARD:

In 2008, I can see Microsoft dropping the 360 by 50 bucks with a bundled game or two. Microsoft won't do more than that. To drop $100 or more this year, would cost Microsof too much money. They wont do it. Also,the prices of the 360 and the PS3 will pretty much go down in tandem, if one goes down, the other must respond, with the PS3 continuing to cost $50 to $100 more. So, because of Blu-ray, the overall value of the PS3 will always be better than the 360. Not only that, while Microsoft was busy trying to design a more reliable console and to make the Vista operating system an excellent choice for gaming, Sony's been investing heavily in exclusive games. So going forward, expect exclusive first party games to be a lot better on the PS3. With Blu-ray becoming the next-gen movie format, expect movie enthusiasts to dip into gaming as well, buying games on the PS3.

Microsoft will not make LIVE free. The thing with LIVE is that it's a cash cow for Microsoft, though it scares the casuals like the plaque. Developers have already assumed that the 360 is a hardcore's console and have invested their money accordingly. Making LIVE free to attract casuals doesn't make sense. Because even when LIVE is free, there aren't enough games that attract the casuals--developers haven't planned for it. So Microsoft will continue to charge for LIVE and scare away the casuals in the process. Casuals and Wii owners looking to buy/upgrade their video game sytems and DVD players, will flock to the PS3-- because the PS3, not the 360, makes the best use of the HD TV; only the PS3 can do HD gaming AND HD movies.

This generation will last longer than previous generations. Developers will want to recoup their investments in this generation first before getting to the next one. Developing for the PS4 or XBOX 720 would cost too much to make the games look significantly better than those on the PS3 or the 360. Games like Ratchet and Clank already look similar to a PIXAR movie. Games on the PS4 or the 720 will need to basically match a PIXAR movie. The budget for such a game will scare away even the big publishers. So, Microsoft and Sony have no choice but to wait for developers to recoup their investments and make some easy money. By then, the price difference between the 360 and PS3 will matter less and less, and the value of the PS3 only increases relative to the 360. Also, the longer this generation lasts, the superior power of the PS3 will be more and more realized. In addition, the longer this generation lasts, the more likely current PS2 owners will upgrade to the PS3.

Finally, Microsoft will choose to make some profits this generation and accept 3rd place everywhere, Japan, Europe, and America. It then tries to be the first to bring out their XBOX 720 on 2010 or later, not before, for reasons discussed above. Sony, may bring the PS4 out at the same time or a year later. Regardless, Sony will continue to sell and support the PS3, just like the PS2, especially since the PS3 will continue to retain it's value as a Blu-ray player. Unlike Sony, Microsoft (and developers) will not be as proactive in supporting the 360 after its 720 is out, because the 360 doesn't have the world wide install base of the PS3. So, even after the 360 stops selling in the US, the PS3 will. Thus, there is no doubt that the PS3 will beat the 360 here in the US, let alone Japan and Europe.

UPDATE:

For those of you who think the 360 will beat the PS3 in America, try to determine which one will still be in the shops while the other is discontinued. Elsewhere and here in America, it's the PS3 that will be in the shops and the 360 that will be discontinued. That's because there'll be more demand for the PS3; the Blu-ray player makes it a very cheap way to get into HD movies. Also, more software will be made for the PS3 because of its higher world wide install base. In short, more demand=longer life span.

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#2 the-very-best
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In before: "dude, you could have just summed that up with 'just wait'."

Anyhoo, you brought up some good points. I agree on a few: I think Blu-ray will factor in to PS3 sales in about 2 years as it continues to become more popular. And I think when games like MGSIV, FFXIII, GT5, GTAIV have all arrived on the PS3... PS2 owners will be more willing to make the transfer.

So yeah, I can see beating the 360 in all territories eventually. This year? Depends on which games are released.

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#3 Star67
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I'll give you japan and Europe, but I dont see it happening in america.
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Europe : pretty much a tie till the end . ( In france , they hate the PS3 for some reason )

America : 360 will still outsell PS3 every month . Unless the PS3 drop to 99$

Japan : both fail miserably , but PS3 still manage to sell around 50k each month ....

Software : 360 !

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In japan gaming is just declining.
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#7 Zenfoldor
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An America prediction is a bit bold. However, your quite astute. The PS3 will "beat" the 360 in Japan and Europe eventually.
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#8 Vanadium2k8
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Because women will unite and buy blu-ray players en masse amirite?!
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Europe : pretty much a tie till the end . ( In france , they hate the PS3 for some reason )

America : 360 will still outsell PS3 every month . Unless the PS3 drop to 99$

Japan : both fail miserably , but PS3 still manage to sell around 50k each month ....

Software : 360 !

Prid3r

PS3 has already sold more in France.

America: Who knows?? Why people shop cheap is a mystery. It costs more long run, it breaks, but hey it's $50 less right now. Home of the Walmart shoppers.

Japan: PS3 is dominating X360

Software: PS3, X360 is going to end like Xbox1 a shooter console only. Losing other territories like Europe and Japan will also eventually cost them developer support in those areas as well. Also Sony has twice the inhouse development of Nintendo and Microsoft combined.

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#10 sliccc
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of course cause all the good games are gonna be on the PS3 and it can also play blu ray movies for a good price.
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#11 Prid3r
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[QUOTE="Prid3r"]

Europe : pretty much a tie till the end . ( In france , they hate the PS3 for some reason )

America : 360 will still outsell PS3 every month . Unless the PS3 drop to 99$

Japan : both fail miserably , but PS3 still manage to sell around 50k each month ....

Software : 360 !

EmperorSupreme

PS3 has already sold more in France.

America: Who knows?? Why people shop cheap is a mystery. It costs more long run, it breaks, but hey it's $50 less right now. Home of the Walmart shoppers.

Japan: PS3 is dominating X360

Software: PS3, X360 is going to end like Xbox1 a shooter console only. Losing other territories like Europe and Japan will also eventually cost them developer support in those areas as well. Also Sony has twice the inhouse development of Nintendo and Microsoft combined.

And lol at X360 is going to end as a shooter console .

RFOM2 KZ2 . Ring a bell ? 360 this year have .......... Gears of war 2 Maybe .

PS3 isn't dominating x360 . Wii is dominating PS3 . there is no such thing as X360 getting dominated in japan since even the GBA is dominating it .

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#13 Prid3r
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Does the PS2 still sell more than PS3 in Japan?

sts106mat

yup .

top last are

PSP , PS3 , GC , GBA , X360 .

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MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....................... :)) just kidding man
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Does the PS2 still sell more than PS3 in Japan?

sts106mat

Nope.

Your average Japanese sales week is like this now:

DS - 80,000
PSP - 75,000
Wii - 74,999
PS3 - 35,000
PS2 - 15,000
Xbox 360 - 3,000

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#16 EmperorSupreme
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[QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"][QUOTE="Prid3r"]

Europe : pretty much a tie till the end . ( In france , they hate the PS3 for some reason )

America : 360 will still outsell PS3 every month . Unless the PS3 drop to 99$

Japan : both fail miserably , but PS3 still manage to sell around 50k each month ....

Software : 360 !

Prid3r

PS3 has already sold more in France.

America: Who knows?? Why people shop cheap is a mystery. It costs more long run, it breaks, but hey it's $50 less right now. Home of the Walmart shoppers.

Japan: PS3 is dominating X360

Software: PS3, X360 is going to end like Xbox1 a shooter console only. Losing other territories like Europe and Japan will also eventually cost them developer support in those areas as well. Also Sony has twice the inhouse development of Nintendo and Microsoft combined.

And lol at X360 is going to end as a shooter console .

RFOM2 KZ2 . Ring a bell ? 360 this year have .......... Gears of war 2 Maybe .

PS3 isn't dominating x360 . Wii is dominating PS3 . there is no such thing as X360 getting dominated in japan since even the GBA is dominating it .

This topic isn't about the Wii.. Stay on target Luke... Yes X360 is going to lose developer support in the rest of the world if it doesn't succeed in those regions and yes Americans like shooters, so that's what you will get shooters. Happened with Xbox and it will happen with X360.

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[QUOTE="Prid3r"][QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"][QUOTE="Prid3r"]

Europe : pretty much a tie till the end . ( In france , they hate the PS3 for some reason )

America : 360 will still outsell PS3 every month . Unless the PS3 drop to 99$

Japan : both fail miserably , but PS3 still manage to sell around 50k each month ....

Software : 360 !

EmperorSupreme

PS3 has already sold more in France.

America: Who knows?? Why people shop cheap is a mystery. It costs more long run, it breaks, but hey it's $50 less right now. Home of the Walmart shoppers.

Japan: PS3 is dominating X360

Software: PS3, X360 is going to end like Xbox1 a shooter console only. Losing other territories like Europe and Japan will also eventually cost them developer support in those areas as well. Also Sony has twice the inhouse development of Nintendo and Microsoft combined.

And lol at X360 is going to end as a shooter console .

RFOM2 KZ2 . Ring a bell ? 360 this year have .......... Gears of war 2 Maybe .

PS3 isn't dominating x360 . Wii is dominating PS3 . there is no such thing as X360 getting dominated in japan since even the GBA is dominating it .

This topic isn't about the Wii.. Stay on target Luke... Yes X360 is going to lose developer support in the rest of the world if it doesn't succeed in those regions and yes Americans like shooters, so that's what you will get shooters. Happened with Xbox and it will happen with X360.

This year IS the PS3's year of SHOOTERS

lmao. Haze, Killzone 2, Resistance 2, Socom. Gimme a break. 360 has so much variety this year

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#18 Always-Honest
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stopped reading at: without a doubt.

you can not be certain. understand that.

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#19 EmperorSupreme
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[QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"][QUOTE="Prid3r"][QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"][QUOTE="Prid3r"]

Europe : pretty much a tie till the end . ( In france , they hate the PS3 for some reason )

America : 360 will still outsell PS3 every month . Unless the PS3 drop to 99$

Japan : both fail miserably , but PS3 still manage to sell around 50k each month ....

Software : 360 !

_KenKittyragi_

PS3 has already sold more in France.

America: Who knows?? Why people shop cheap is a mystery. It costs more long run, it breaks, but hey it's $50 less right now. Home of the Walmart shoppers.

Japan: PS3 is dominating X360

Software: PS3, X360 is going to end like Xbox1 a shooter console only. Losing other territories like Europe and Japan will also eventually cost them developer support in those areas as well. Also Sony has twice the inhouse development of Nintendo and Microsoft combined.

And lol at X360 is going to end as a shooter console .

RFOM2 KZ2 . Ring a bell ? 360 this year have .......... Gears of war 2 Maybe .

PS3 isn't dominating x360 . Wii is dominating PS3 . there is no such thing as X360 getting dominated in japan since even the GBA is dominating it .

This topic isn't about the Wii.. Stay on target Luke... Yes X360 is going to lose developer support in the rest of the world if it doesn't succeed in those regions and yes Americans like shooters, so that's what you will get shooters. Happened with Xbox and it will happen with X360.

This year IS the PS3's year of SHOOTERS

lmao. Haze, Killzone 2, Resistance 2, Socom. Gimme a break. 360 has so much variety this year

I guess I'm not making myself clear. Sorry. I'm talking about variety in games. I never said PS3 wouldn't have shooters. I also wasn't talking about this year because X360 still has the lead. I'm just speaking from my view of the future if the trend continues and PS3 takes the lead.

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#21 sixpmtvwatcher
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the blu ray surge is its biggest help, and that could be the only reason it beats 360, in the states especially

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#22 _KenKittyragi_
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the blu ray surge is its biggest help, and that could be the only reason it beats 360, in the states especially

sixpmtvwatcher

The time PS3 outsells the 360 in NA monthly sales, I will *** myself

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#23 dru26
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By E3 this year there will be a Blu-Ray add-on for the 360. Regardless though MS has bitten into that 120 million user base quite a bit.
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listen to the FACTS of the matter!!!!

PS2 has sold over 100 million and GROWING!!!!!!!!!

Xbox 360 even thought sales more than PS3 is not selling more if you line them up as if they started at the same time. (take away xbox360 sales for 2007 and there you go.

ALSO Xbox360 in its first 2 years has sold less than PS2 in its first 2 years by MILLIONS!!!!!!

PS3 has not sold well because

  1. there are not many games out for it now
  2. the price is still too high to go mainstream
  3. people who own wii are happy for now and have not added another console (PS3/360)
  4. PS3 has just started out and the games have not taken advantage of the hardware it will take a while for developers to learn how to program for it, and for games to change/evolve.

when the next price drop happens and more games are out WATCH how fast the PS3 sales... also the number of used games will be up and those who do not like to pay full price on games will then jump in.

How long will Xbox 360 last??? how much will it sale over its lifetime???? we will see I know it will not be as much as PS2 and if they ship early again how many people will rush to buy a Xbox 720 in 3 years (5 years total)

Sony plans to have the PS3 out for 10 years and seeing how badly the Xbox360 will sale over its life time, and how well the PS2 is still selling, they hopefully will wait the full 10 years to come up with a game console that is a lot more powerful and different (2D to 3D) than continuing on the same path of

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#25 Riverwolf007
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I'm still unclear about how the 360 eventually slipping to fourth place cehind the Pc, Wii and PS3 keeps me from enjoying all the cool games I have played over the last couple of years.

The 360 can go to 5th or 6th behind the V-smile and handheld poker that you buy at the gas station for all I care, I wanted to play good games and the 360 delivered that.

Did I lose out by owning a Genesis just because it lost a console battle?

There will without a doubt be another MS console and I will most likley buy it because I want to play them all.

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#26 Innovazero2000
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Microsoft coming in had a "Three" tier plan.

1st console: Get the name out...

2nd console: take away and gain overall market share/make profit

3rd console: push as a leader

That being said don't make quick judgements. I will guarentee you the ps3 won't beat the 360 in america. the ps3 is absolutly overall getting destroyed in the US/Canada. Even with the wii's success, still hasn't caught up to the 360 in america.

Japan, no doubt...that is a pure given.

Europe: I think sony will take it, but again I don't think it will dominate Europe. I think the 360 has already beat or matched it's install base in europe vs the first Xbox...thats enough achievement.

Australia/New Zealand... again the ps3 is getting pummeled by the wii/360.

The ps3 is gaining momentium, but it's still to premature to call a winner. Microsoft is making profit off the 360 now (last quarter for example) and won't make the same mistake as last generation.

Perhap the ps3 will pass the 360, but i guarentee you that overall it will lose quite a bit of market share vs what te ps1/ps2 enjoyed, and I guarentee you that MS will increase it's Market share vs the first xbox.

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I'm hesitant to respond to posts like these that don't include any links or sales data. Even if its vgchartz, it at least shows that you analyzed something to reach these claims rather than just pulling numbers and "trends" out of the air.

Even with that I started doing some number crunching and a good bit of what you say holds up. However, I have doubts on some of your points. There is a major difference between this site and what happens in the real world. In the real world, price is a HIGH factor. People here complain about lack of BC in the 40gig and say thats its confusing people and making them lose sales, but the 40gb version has been the highest selling model in the real world. Sony recently said that they've just now gotten the cost to be about $400... which still means they lose money on each system sold. It probably isn't too much seeing as they likely get to keep a good $300+ of that $399 price tag, but its still a loss. MS actually profits on each system now and has said it since like early-mid 2007. If anyone can afford to make a price drop, its MS, not Sony.

Blu-ray is only somewhat of a factor and i dsagree with you, but in the future I feel it will be less of a factor. The PS3 right now is the cheapest blu-ray player that can actually play the spec (they recently finalized the v1.1 spec and all players currently out there can't be upgraded to it with the exception of the PS3). So for right now, its the cheeapest and best Blu-Ray player out there. In the future will this be the case? When you can buy a Blu-Ray player for $150 or $99 or less, will the PS3 having it really influence your purchase? In 2003 you could get a DVD player for like $69.99. My house had 3 of them at that point. The PS2 and Xbox coming with DVD players was kind of a mute point. In the future as standalone blu-ray players drop in price, I think it will have less impact on people purchasing a PS3.That could be years and years down the line though. Not only that, but HD disc sales period are a joke compared to regular DVD sales. How much time will it take the market to finally switch to HD media or at least where HD media is at 50%? Price seems to be very motivating for people, but lowered price of Blu-Ray players hurts diminishes the appeal of a PS3 with built in blu-ray.

I think that will have an affect everywhere, but most notably in the US where the 360 already has a larger install base. In a a week to week, the 360 is outselling the PS3. I don't see how the PS3 can change somehow get a userbase higher than the 360 until that changes. vgchartz posted an article where they analyzed week to week with 2008 and 2007. One system had a 27% increase in sales, the other had a 1% increase. Guess which was which. The PS3 was at 1%. Even with all the added value, people are actually not only buying more 360s than PS3s, but they sales increase is higher on the 360. Whether that will change remains to be seen. We've heard no news of price drops or other things and thats what really pushes the market into setting new trends. I think the 360 is safe @ #2 in the US unless something unprecedented happens.

Japan is kinda out of the picture. Even with a price drop they've stuck with the Wii as their #1 by leaps and bounds. I don't think the PS3 is just going to suddenly take off over there. Its a different market where there is usually one winner who blows everyone else out of the water. This doesn't hurt MS that much they. Based off of what the xbox sold there, its doubtful that they planned on Japan being a hotbed market where they'd move US or Europe like numbers. It just doesn't make sense to assume that based off of the history of the brand. However, Sony was counting on Japan to be a major player. Japan is more of a market to pad the dispairty in US sales than a place to propel the system to PS2 levels.

I don't know enough about the market since its less talked about than Japan and the US, so I feel ike Europe is the mystery place that everyone is eyeing. US and Japan seemto have made up there mind on what they are going to do but i'm thinking that everyone is trying to swing europe their way. Currently the PS3 is winning, and I think its likely because of Blu-Ray. However, MS has stated that they are going to really focus on getting Europe. IPTV will be launching there first (which blows imo) and they are constantly expanding Video Marketplace. Focusing on media imo is there way of trying to counteract blu-ray movies affect on the PS3. If IPTV can catch on, it will be a major thing for MS. And will likely turn the tide or balance it enoughso that Esecially with the price difference.

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This topic isn't about the Wii.. Stay on target Luke... Yes X360 is going to lose developer support in the rest of the world if it doesn't succeed in those regions and yes Americans like shooters, so that's what you will get shooters. Happened with Xbox and it will happen with X360.

EmperorSupreme

This topic isn't about the Wii, but that is what makes it so misguided... removing context to alter the picture. It's like a discussion about the cola wars that never mentions Coke, it makes Pepsi look a lot better than it is. Fact: Wii is winning in 2 regions, 360 in 1, PS3 in 0. Spin all you want, that is not good.

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#29 CreepyBacon
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It's amusing how badly these PS3 users are clutching at straws. The 360 has been out for what 3 years now? It has 2008 covered with decent games (oh just be quiet, they -are- decent games just cause their not on your system get over it.) so that's 4 years, the average console life is 5. Sure the 360 will probably carry on past the 5 year mark but a new console will be on it's way out IMO.

So enjoy the victory, by the time they surpass the 360 and it might start having an affect, I'll be onto the next console while you'll be gloating about a shallow victory on an outdated console. XD

What you really need to realize is the PS2 had over 100million sales. It doesn't even have a quater of that now. That's what you should be thinking about, they've lost all their dominance in just a few years if it carrys on like this, just think how much worse it may get next gen? ;D Microsoft is making progress and i think that's all they care about, as long as they keep going up (which so far, while their not amazing they are improving every gen.) they've nothing to worry about.

Reality is this gen was a step forward for the 360, an improvement on the xbox. The ps3 was just a step back, they've done worse. And the wii, well that's made Nintendo very very happy no doubt.

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#30 3picuri3
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i dunno whats funnier, that the op took that much time to type it, or that he believes it :(
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#31 Ravenlore_basic
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Microsoft coming in had a "Three" tier plan.

1st console: Get the name out...

2nd console: take away and gain overall market share/make profit

3rd console: push as a leader

That being said don't make quick judgements. I will guarentee you the ps3 won't beat the 360 in america. the ps3 is absolutly overall getting destroyed in the US/Canada. Even with the wii's success, still hasn't caught up to the 360 in america.

Japan, no doubt...that is a pure given.

Europe: I think sony will take it, but again I don't think it will dominate Europe. I think the 360 has already beat or matched it's install base in europe vs the first Xbox...thats enough achievement.

Australia/New Zealand... again the ps3 is getting pummeled by the wii/360.

The ps3 is gaining momentium, but it's still to premature to call a winner. Microsoft is making profit off the 360 now (last quarter for example) and won't make the same mistake as last generation.

Perhap the ps3 will pass the 360, but i guarentee you that overall it will lose quite a bit of market share vs what te ps1/ps2 enjoyed, and I guarentee you that MS will increase it's Market share vs the first xbox.

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getting destroyed????? Fact is that Xbox360 SOLD LESS than PS2 in its first year here in the US with PS2'S bad list of games!!! Xbox 360 has sold just a little over the first Xbox and continues to sale slugishly. The year head start is all that it has going for it. Which is again not much!!! The fact that PS2 stll out sales it is proof that it is not doing so great.

And PS3 price, lack of games is what is slowing down PS3 sales but that will change this year and next!!!!!! with all the xbox fans already buying the xbox as great game have come out for it; xbox360 sales.

The PS3 will increase as developing in HD and using more of the PS3 power will shine in 3 years when the Xbox 720 comes out. the games will look better on X720 but will that matter???? I am sure the xbots will run out and get it but who elese???

At the end of this year we will better be able to see how well each system is doing (xbox360 PS3) and when PS3 hits $299.00 next year then the real sales will begin... as it is not the HC fans that will change the console wars but the mid players

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#32 Taz-Bone
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In after: "In before...." :roll: Is it just me that hates these things.

Anyway, whatever helps you sleep at night, bud.

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#33 GARRYTH
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By E3 this year there will be a Blu-Ray add-on for the 360. Regardless though MS has bitten into that 120 million user base quite a bit. dru26
lol 16 million less than xbox is cutting in the 120 million user base.
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#34 Innovazero2000
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[QUOTE="Innovazero2000"]

Microsoft coming in had a "Three" tier plan.

1st console: Get the name out...

2nd console: take away and gain overall market share/make profit

3rd console: push as a leader

That being said don't make quick judgements. I will guarentee you the ps3 won't beat the 360 in america. the ps3 is absolutly overall getting destroyed in the US/Canada. Even with the wii's success, still hasn't caught up to the 360 in america.

Japan, no doubt...that is a pure given.

Europe: I think sony will take it, but again I don't think it will dominate Europe. I think the 360 has already beat or matched it's install base in europe vs the first Xbox...thats enough achievement.

Australia/New Zealand... again the ps3 is getting pummeled by the wii/360.

The ps3 is gaining momentium, but it's still to premature to call a winner. Microsoft is making profit off the 360 now (last quarter for example) and won't make the same mistake as last generation.

Perhap the ps3 will pass the 360, but i guarentee you that overall it will lose quite a bit of market share vs what te ps1/ps2 enjoyed, and I guarentee you that MS will increase it's Market share vs the first xbox.

Ravenlore_basic

getting destroyed????? Fact is that Xbox SOLD LESS than PS2 in its first year here in the US with a bad list of games!!! Xbox 360 has soled just a little over the first Xbox and continues to sale slugishly. The year head start is all that it has going for it. The fact that PS2 stll out sales it is proof that it is not doing so great.

And PS3 price, lack of games is what is slowing down PS3 sales but that will change this year and next!!!!!! with all the xbox fans already buying the xbox as great game have come out for it its sales.

The PS3 will increase as developing in HD and using more of the PS3 power will shine in 3 years when the Xbox 720 comes out. the games will look better on X720 but will that matter???? I am sure the xbots will run out and get it but who elese???

At the end of this year we will better be able to see how well each system is doing (xbox360 PS3) and when PS3 hits 299 next year then the real sales will begin... as it is not the HC fans that will change the console wars but the mid players

Yes getting destroyed and it rightfully is in that area, don't hide behind the ps2 to justify that. and you proved my point...the 360 is closing in xbox sales shortly after it's second year, what does that mean...increased market share! Business 101...

The fact is the ps3 has dropped it's price twice now? and while it certaintly increase sales...the 360 still outsold it by almost half a million units in dec. while having a bigger increase from what november to december (something sony tried to tout about).

Lack of games? So wait, I got half the cows saying it's line up is just fine, and the other half going wait for the big five....this completely ignoring the fact that the 360 will sell whatever game will come its way (The proof being that every new IP uner MS's belt has becoming a million or multi-million selling product vs huge market titles that haven't reached a million, or is coming close...but taking forever).

Also last I checked, the 360 was outselling the ps2 in qutie a few areas...everywhere no...but lets be serious here. I don't wanna here the excuses about high pricing either, that was Sony's decision...so if the 360 is supposidly doing horrible vs the ps2...then the ps3 sales are absolut garbage next to it as well. I like how you ignore the fact that the 360 can also get cheaper.

You stated something I stated, and that is to call a winner premature. If you think MS is going ot make the same mistake with the 360 that they did with the xbox and abandon it...your mistaken, not when the 360 is finally making a profit for them. So lets not assume anything with "720".

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#35 GARRYTH
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It's amusing how badly these PS3 users are clutching at straws. The 360 has been out for what 3 years now? It has 2008 covered with decent games (oh just be quiet, they -are- decent games just cause their not on your system get over it.) so that's 4 years, the average console life is 5. Sure the 360 will probably carry on past the 5 year mark but a new console will be on it's way out IMO.

So enjoy the victory, by the time they surpass the 360 and it might start having an affect, I'll be onto the next console while you'll be gloating about a shallow victory on an outdated console. XD

What you really need to realize is the PS2 had over 100million sales. It doesn't even have a quater of that now. That's what you should be thinking about, they've lost all their dominance in just a few years if it carrys on like this, just think how much worse it may get next gen? ;D Microsoft is making progress and i think that's all they care about, as long as they keep going up (which so far, while their not amazing they are improving every gen.) they've nothing to worry about.

Reality is this gen was a step forward for the 360, an improvement on the xbox. The ps3 was just a step back, they've done worse. And the wii, well that's made Nintendo very very happy no doubt.

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you act like this gen all three systems = 100 million console sold. you act like those 100 million ps 2 userbase has already bought a next gen system. the 360 has not even surpass xbox 1 and your saying the 720 will be out next 2 years.
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#36 3picuri3
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you act like this gen all three systems = 100 million console sold. you act like those 100 million ps 2 userbase has already bought a next gen system. the 360 has not even surpass xbox 1 and your saying the 720 will be out next 2 years.

GARRYTH

y'know what Garryth. there are more people that don't have money than those that do. at some point you'll have to accept the fact that the lions share of PS2 sales were due to the incredibly cheap pricing. games were in the 20$ range midway through that gen, and the system was selling for under 200$ pretty quickly.

money talks, and this time it's talking trash for the PS3. don't expect anywhere near that many casuals to follow the Sony brand -- because they're just that.. casuals. and guess what system they're buying this time? that's right... the cheap one that's destroying PS3 and 360 in sales.

please stop thinking there are 100 million ps2 fans waiting for the right moment to jump on the PS3 boat, because that's incredibly ignorant.

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#37 Shensolidus
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HAHA, if you honestly think MS is gonna drop the price of their console once again anytime soon, think again. No, MS will not be the first console to reach $199. They just can't afford it. 360 sales are declining, and they are gonna start to feel the results of the Halo effect dying down. They just posted their first profits in their games division ever (2 quarters in a row), but they still have worldwide losses to think about.

Yes, the PS3 is getting alot of shooters, but we are also getting much more varied games. For example, Infamous. Or White Knight Chronicles. Or Tekken 6. Or LittleBigPlanet. Or Gran Turismo 5. Or Disgaea 3. The myth of the PS3 only getting shooters is just that, a myth. And while we are getting some really good looking shooters as exclusives, remember lemmings, your concerned with how the 360 does in America. If America is the biggest market for shooters, and the PS3 is getting the best shooters this year, where do the sales in NA go?

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#38 3picuri3
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HAHA, if you honestly think MS is gonna drop the price of their console once again anytime soon, think again. No, MS will not be the first console to reach $199. They just can't afford it. 360 sales are declining, and they are gonna start to feel the results of the Halo effect dying down. They just posted their first profits in their games division ever (2 quarters in a row), but they still have worldwide losses to think about.

Yes, the PS3 is getting alot of shooters, but we are also getting much more varied games. For example, Infamous. Or White Knight Chronicles. Or Tekken 6. Or LittleBigPlanet. Or Gran Turismo 5. Or Disgaea 3. The myth of the PS3 only getting shooters is just that, a myth. And while we are getting some really good looking shooters as exclusives, remember lemmings, your concerned with how the 360 does in America. If America is the biggest market for shooters, and the PS3 is getting the best shooters this year, where do the sales in NA go?

Shensolidus

there will be a price drop with GTA4, or a bundle.

how did you forget GTA4? lol. probably the best system seller of last gen, and it has exclusive episodic content on 360 :roll: and fyi all the games you listed for PS3 are NOT system sellers, except GT5, but teh delayed to 2009. this is -- waiting.

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#39 jimm895
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The PS3 will come out ahead of the 360. One reason is when used games start showing up at a lower price the PS3 games being on a Blu-Ray disc that is almost impossible to damage at lower price then there will flocks of people buying these games. But the 360 games (most that get destroyed by the bad disc drive) will be in short supply for used games. Then the fact that the PS3 is still the very best Blu-Ray player because of the latest firmware update that improved the players software and it could keep doing this as the technology grows.

The numbers between the two systems are a lot closer than people think they are already even with the fact that the PS3 hasn't even been on the market a full year worlwide yet. Then there are so many development studios that Sony owns already and there are more developers getting the hang of the PS3 hardware/software now (some are saying it's easier to develope for now than ever before.

If we think about it the PS3 sold very close to 5 million consoles without games and now is gaining in sales all the time.

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#40 Maximus808
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I wouldn't dream of buying a frail, unstable, short lived xbox 360.

I bought a PS3 which I honestly didn't think I'd like that much, but after seeing all the things it can do and after having a friend who bought an xbox 360, say that my PS3 blew his xbox 360 away, I'm very happy I made the right decision.

With my 56" plasma hd tv the graphics are awesome. Way better than anything i've seen for puter and FAR more stable.

The instability of pc games, the patching, the constant upgrades drove me to it after 20 years of pc gaming.

I wouldn't dream of going back to pc, and I have a great gaming rig.

Asus M2N32 sli wireless deluxe mobo

AMD 6000+ dual core cpu

Nvidia 8800 Ultra 780mb video card

4Gb corsair ram

320 Gb seta hd

1000 watt power supply...and so on.

Just doesn't measure up to my PS3 and it's stability. I'm definately finished with pc.

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#41 black_awpN1
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In total WW sales? Possisbly. theres a rather good chance.

But in America? eh, not so much.

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#42 _Dispair_
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You don't have any proof that the "attitude" towards the Ps3 has suddenly changed this year, you just theorized that :|

So what if the Ps3 has a bit more respect on gaming boards, do you have any idea how small we are in comparison to the gaming public? GTA isn't a system seller for either system, since it's multiplat. GT5 definitely is though.

It's possible that the ps3 could overtake the 360, but It's too early to tell.

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#43 nogginkl
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In before: "dude, you could have just summed that up with 'just wait'."

Anyhoo, you brought up some good points. I agree on a few: I think Blu-ray will factor in to PS3 sales in about 2 years as it continues to become more popular. And I think when games like MGSIV, FFXIII, GT5, GTAIV have all arrived on the PS3... PS2 owners will be more willing to make the transfer.

So yeah, I can see beating the 360 in all territories eventually. This year? Depends on which games are released.

the-very-best

I disagree. Blu-ray already is a factor. Surely, you can see that a large number of gamers looking to get into HD gaming will appreciate the added bonus of an HD player.

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#44 nogginkl
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I'll give you japan and Europe, but I dont see it happening in america.Star67

Yeah? Well, look for trends in monthly sales in America, starting this year even. I strongly believe the PS3 will cut the 360's lead in monthly sales this year, especially after a major AAA exclusive comes out--Metal Gear Solid 4? Once you see the PS3 starts to gain momentum over the 360, say over a 3 to 5 month period, there's no turning back, unless Microsofts wants to be unprofitable again this generation. Also don't forget that when prices drop for both consoles, which they will, it will help the PS3 more, because in one price drop, the PS3 becomes a cheaper HD gaming machine AND a cheaper Blu-ray player. Microsoft, can't win this generation. Anywhere.

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#45 nogginkl
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Europe : pretty much a tie till the end . ( In france , they hate the PS3 for some reason )

America : 360 will still outsell PS3 every month . Unless the PS3 drop to 99$

Japan : both fail miserably , but PS3 still manage to sell around 50k each month ....

Software : 360 !

Prid3r

Are you kidding me? You are saying this by getting your reasons out of thin air? Care to elaborate?

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#46 nogginkl
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In japan gaming is just declining. Cyber-

Declining, maybe not. But it will always remain a popular past time. Who knows, with the Wii and the Blu-ray feature in the PS3, gaming might start to rise again. Hasn't it already? Has anyone compared the last yr's sales to the year before?

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#47 nogginkl
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stopped reading at: without a doubt.

you can not be certain. understand that.

Always-Honest

You certainly have a close mind. I CAN be certain! You understand that! It's my mind, my thinking. And I actually, back with reasonings with thought-out supporting statements, too.

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#48 nogginkl
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stopped reading at: without a doubt.

you can not be certain. understand that.

Always-Honest

You certainly have a close mind. I CAN be certain! You understand that! It's my mind, my thinking. And I actually, back with reasonings with thought-out supporting statements, too.

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#49 SeanBond
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[QUOTE="Cyber-"]In japan gaming is just declining. nogginkl

Declining, maybe not. But it will always remain a popular past time. Who knows, with the Wii and the Blu-ray feature in the PS3, gaming might start to rise again. Hasn't it already? Has anyone compared the last yr's sales to the year before?

PS3 sales suck in Japan. Whether or not gaming is in a period of decline for them, the Wii is absolutely destroying the PS3 over there, so it's not so much that the PS3 is selling well in that market, it's just that it's not selling as badly as the 360. PS3 sales are better than the 360's in Europe, but not by a big enough margin to make up what the 360 gains in North America.

As to whether or not this will be PS3's year, there's nothing clear-cut about it, so I'm not sure why people keep saying it's so obvious. Yeah, the PS3 has some huge games coming out this year, but so does the 360. Besides, one or two more "AAAEs" (as people in SW are so obsessed with) aren't going to be enough to suddenly make the PS3 beat the 360 once and for all; it's still got plenty of catching up to do.

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#50 SambaLele
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i agree with you TC.

i think it's going to happen this way.

Wii first

PS3 second

360 third

and MS discontinuing the 360 before Ninty or Sony, to give people the "choice" of moving to the next-gen xbox if they want new games.