Why do pc cemtric titles now sell more on consoles?

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Posted by uninspiredcup (7992 posts) 6 months, 27 days ago

Poll: Why do pc cemtric titles now sell more on consoles? (65 votes)

Piracy 34%
High system req 11%
Casual gamings 15%
Some other reason (explain) 40%

UK chart: Thief steals top spot

The Thief series. The Shock series. The Fear Series. The Fallout Series. The Elder Scrolls Series. The Dues Ex Series. The Call Of Duty Series. The Crysis Series. The FarCry Series. The Dragon Age Series.


Really my friends, it's almost an endless list. PC originated titles, many of which considered he foundation the Holy Grail of the platform. Now, seeing 2X/3X/4X/5X/10X + the sales on consoles,. Built for consoles, for console gamers.

It's dignity being given.

Why is this the reality now? It seems odd pc gamers can dish out $500 on a graphics card but not manage to pay $40 for a game. Regardless, most games aren't that demanding to begin with.

Ignoring the shame and embarrassment, why is this happening?

#51 Posted by Kinthalis (5308 posts) -

@blamix99 said:

@Cloud_imperium said:

PC Centric games always sell better on PC itself . Even multiplatform dumbed down games sometimes sell better on PC . Alan Wake anyone .?

Portal 2 sold better on PC

Skyrim sold better on PC

Alan Wake Sold better on PC

Witcher 2 sold better on PC

Payday 2 sold better on PC

Battlefield 3 sold better on PC

Diablo 3 sold better on PC

and so on .

Saying the games doesn't sell better on PC is ignorant and childish at best . And those are just retail numbers , most of the profit comes from digital sales and companies doesn't share it .

LOL.. prove it, cause in your list only Witcher 2 and Diablo 3 leads on PC. the rest sold better on consoles

Portal 2 was confirmed by valve to have sold better on PC. Pretty sure Payday 2 sold better on PC by a lot. BAttlefield 3 sold just as well as either console - probably in between PS3 and 360, but not better. Skyrim sold a bazzillion copies on PC, it's still one fo the top 10 played games on PC - but we don't know if it did better on PC than console. It's certianly the most played version right now, but all we ever hear from the publisher is that the Pc osld like crazy - but no hard numbers.

Alan wake definitley didn't sell better on PC. No surprise there since it was on 360 for severla YEARS before it came to PC. The dev did say that they made a profit after porting costs within a day on Steam, I believe?

#52 Posted by Kinthalis (5308 posts) -

This still seems to me like such a pathetic thing to argue about. Like we play sales figures vs games or something.

And the entire premise is so misguided and such a huge strawman, used only by console warriors to try and score points. Hmmm, 2 gaming platforms COMBINED tends to beat a single gaming platform in sales... who would of thunk it!!

As I mentioned before - I don't give a crap if SKyrim did sell better on consoles - the PC version is THE version to play.

#53 Posted by GarGx1 (2537 posts) -

Digital sales are never included in these reports. Very few people buy hard copy PC games these days.

#54 Edited by Cloud_imperium (2687 posts) -

@blamix99 said:

@Cloud_imperium said:

PC Centric games always sell better on PC itself . Even multiplatform dumbed down games sometimes sell better on PC . Alan Wake anyone .?

Portal 2 sold better on PC

Skyrim sold better on PC

Alan Wake Sold better on PC

Witcher 2 sold better on PC

Payday 2 sold better on PC

Battlefield 3 sold better on PC

Diablo 3 sold better on PC

and so on .

Saying the games doesn't sell better on PC is ignorant and childish at best . And those are just retail numbers , most of the profit comes from digital sales and companies doesn't share it .

LOL.. prove it, cause in your list only Witcher 2 and Diablo 3 leads on PC. the rest sold better on consoles

PC Revenue : www.dsogaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/1cdb17dd-05bb-453b-8cdc-b1f0eb5e9dc4.jpg

Alan Wake Profitable on PC within 48 hours . The IP was saved by PC gamers , Xbox version sold only 1.4 million in 2 years (That was their target minimum target sales) : http://www.gamefront.com/alan-wake-pc-made-a-profit-within-48-hours/

Portal 2 sold better on PC : http://www.computerandvideogames.com/317160/portal-2-did-better-on-pc-than-console-newell-reveals/

Payday 2 80% Sales were from digital version . Majority of PC owners buy games digitally . Even if you consider it not outselling both console versions combined (which you always do) , it still did better than both versions separately . Same can be said about Skyrim , it broke all records on steam back in 2011 .

Then there are other console games that were huge success on PC like Mortal Kombat . Not to mention the overall profit , every penny goes straight to developers . No one takes a single penny other than developers unlike console releases . PC is so much not "profitable" that it is most popular platform among developers .

http://www.dsogaming.com/news/gdc-2014-survey-proves-that-pc-is-the-most-popular-platform/

It's so sad that corporations had been lying to gamers for so many years and people had been believing in them . This is getting old now .

#55 Edited by NoodleFighter (7003 posts) -

This was fall out as a PC centric title,

12 dollars says console gamers wouldn't even think about touching FallOut if the ones that came to console were isometric/top down games

#56 Posted by SEANMCAD (5464 posts) -

This was fall out as a PC centric title,

12 dollars says console gamers wouldn't even think about touching FallOut if the ones that came to console were isometric/top down games

there was a day when it was fairly well known by both PC gamers and consolers that FPS games dont work well on consoles.

Well thru the magic of marketing now many kids think that consoles are the place to go for FPS.

Marketing is an innovation killer but it does work

#57 Posted by WallofTruth (1574 posts) -

@SEANMCAD said:

@NoodleFighter said:

This was fall out as a PC centric title,

12 dollars says console gamers wouldn't even think about touching FallOut if the ones that came to console were isometric/top down games

there was a day when it was fairly well known by both PC gamers and consolers that FPS games dont work well on consoles.

Well thru the magic of marketing now many kids think that consoles are the place to go for FPS.

Marketing is an innovation killer but it does work

True but the tech has improved a lot nowadays. Try to play a PSX FPS game, it will be clunky and play like crap, now play the same game on PC, it will be smooth and fluid and play perfectly fine. Now play a PS4 FPS, it will play and feel pretty good, of course the same game will still play better on a PC but that's not the point, game engines and controllers have improved a lot and are now better than ever for FPS games. A good example is the Battlefield series. Try to play Battlefield MC on PS2, it's slow and clunky. Play Battlefield 2 on PC and it's like a while different experience, now try BF4 on PS4, it's a lot more playable with a controller even though the game plays very similar than the old ones.

#58 Edited by SEANMCAD (5464 posts) -

@SEANMCAD said:

@NoodleFighter said:

This was fall out as a PC centric title,

12 dollars says console gamers wouldn't even think about touching FallOut if the ones that came to console were isometric/top down games

there was a day when it was fairly well known by both PC gamers and consolers that FPS games dont work well on consoles.

Well thru the magic of marketing now many kids think that consoles are the place to go for FPS.

Marketing is an innovation killer but it does work

True but the tech has improved a lot nowadays. Try to play a PSX FPS game, it will be clunky and play like crap, now play the same game on PC, it will be smooth and fluid and play perfectly fine. Now play a PS4 FPS, it will play and feel pretty good, of course the same game will still play better on a PC but that's not the point, game engines and controllers have improved a lot and are now better than ever for FPS games. A good example is the Battlefield series. Try to play Battlefield MC on PS2, it's slow and clunky. Play Battlefield 2 on PC and it's like a while different experience, now try BF4 on PS4, it's a lot more playable with a controller even though the game plays very similar than the old ones.

the reasons for that understanding years ago was exclusively because of the controller.

The controller hasnt changed.

#59 Edited by SEANMCAD (5464 posts) -

It's so sad that corporations had been lying to gamers for so many years and people had been believing in them . This is getting old now .

I am a bit surprised at the mobile gaming numbers.

I bet its likely people playing games at work, on the bus, waiting in line etc.

#60 Edited by Jankarcop (9134 posts) -

PC centric titles sell more on PC, which is why PC has more gaming revenue than any console.

OP was lying, trolling, or is flat out wrong.

#61 Posted by Jankarcop (9134 posts) -

@blamix99 said:

@Cloud_imperium said:

PC Centric games always sell better on PC itself . Even multiplatform dumbed down games sometimes sell better on PC . Alan Wake anyone .?

Portal 2 sold better on PC

Skyrim sold better on PC

Alan Wake Sold better on PC

Witcher 2 sold better on PC

Payday 2 sold better on PC

Battlefield 3 sold better on PC

Diablo 3 sold better on PC

and so on .

Saying the games doesn't sell better on PC is ignorant and childish at best . And those are just retail numbers , most of the profit comes from digital sales and companies doesn't share it .

LOL.. prove it, cause in your list only Witcher 2 and Diablo 3 leads on PC. the rest sold better on consoles

LOL going by boxed sales = you lost.

#62 Posted by blamix99 (1715 posts) -
#63 Edited by EndlessInfinity (219 posts) -

@blamix99:

going by what?

And Valve already confirmed it a long time

#64 Posted by WitIsWisdom (3716 posts) -

other...

Community, and less cheating/hacking... well until later on in the console generation at least...

#65 Posted by 04dcarraher (19317 posts) -

@blamix99 said:

@TheFadeForever said:

@blamix99:

Valve said Portal 2 sold better on pc

maybe it did, but now.. x360 and ps3 are leading

lol guess you dont know that game sales on consoles are almost nil after the first month of release let alone years later

#66 Edited by NFJSupreme (5191 posts) -

Page 2 and no link to back up the TC's claims. Time to put this thread to bed mods.

#67 Edited by Gaming-Planet (13998 posts) -

Casuals.

#68 Posted by PonchoTaco (1991 posts) -

Why are we comparing 3 consoles to 1 PC platform? That doesn't seem very fair.

#69 Posted by wis3boi (31184 posts) -

@R4gn4r0k said:

@blue_hazy_basic said:

Its had bad reviews and while there have been tons of games released on PC lately there's been bugger all on consoles and PC gamers seem less inclined to buy @ launch, partially because they all have huge backlogs and partially because they'd rather wait for a sale.

Yup, it's been proven before that console games sell huge at launch and then sales die out

While PC games sell less at launch but continue to sell over a longer period of time

probably due to a) flavor of the month culture of the console world b) mods

#70 Posted by wis3boi (31184 posts) -
@blamix99 said:

@Cloud_imperium said:

PC Centric games always sell better on PC itself . Even multiplatform dumbed down games sometimes sell better on PC . Alan Wake anyone .?

Portal 2 sold better on PC

Skyrim sold better on PC

Alan Wake Sold better on PC

Witcher 2 sold better on PC

Payday 2 sold better on PC

Battlefield 3 sold better on PC

Diablo 3 sold better on PC

and so on .

Saying the games doesn't sell better on PC is ignorant and childish at best . And those are just retail numbers , most of the profit comes from digital sales and companies doesn't share it .

LOL.. prove it, cause in your list only Witcher 2 and Diablo 3 leads on PC. the rest sold better on consoles

you must be joking

#71 Posted by Cloud_imperium (2687 posts) -

@SEANMCAD said:

@Cloud_imperium said:

It's so sad that corporations had been lying to gamers for so many years and people had been believing in them . This is getting old now .

I am a bit surprised at the mobile gaming numbers.

I bet its likely people playing games at work, on the bus, waiting in line etc.

And in class rooms .

#72 Posted by Cloud_imperium (2687 posts) -

PC centric titles sell more on PC, which is why PC has more gaming revenue than any console.

OP was lying, trolling, or is flat out wrong.

Consoles are also not backward compatible which makes console sales extremely front loaded . On other hand PC games sell for decades . People still buy games like Elite , Baldur's Gate and Placescape Torment from GOG.com . Not to mention old console games that vanished from stores a long time ago , are kept alive by PC gamers , thanks to emulators .

"PC Gamer had been the most loyal customer" : Chris Roberts .

#73 Posted by BeardMaster (1580 posts) -

@SEANMCAD said:

@Cloud_imperium said:

It's so sad that corporations had been lying to gamers for so many years and people had been believing in them . This is getting old now .

I am a bit surprised at the mobile gaming numbers.

I bet its likely people playing games at work, on the bus, waiting in line etc.

This was a survey conducted at a game developers conference... which is mostly just a bunch of indie and amateur game developers. It doesnt mean anything. Do we really think "android microconsoles" (which i assume means ouya) get almost as much developer support as PS3 and xbox 360 combined?

#74 Posted by lostrib (35018 posts) -

@SEANMCAD said:

@Cloud_imperium said:

It's so sad that corporations had been lying to gamers for so many years and people had been believing in them . This is getting old now .

I am a bit surprised at the mobile gaming numbers.

I bet its likely people playing games at work, on the bus, waiting in line etc.

This was a survey conducted at a game developers conference... which is mostly just a bunch of indie and amateur game developers. It doesnt mean anything. Do we really think "android microconsoles" (which i assume means ouya) get almost as much developer support as PS3 and xbox 360 combined?

Well there's crossover, since it seems they could pick more than one. So i'd imagine a lot of the people who said smartphone/tablet also said android microconsole

#75 Edited by BeardMaster (1580 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@BeardMaster said:

@SEANMCAD said:

@Cloud_imperium said:

It's so sad that corporations had been lying to gamers for so many years and people had been believing in them . This is getting old now .

I am a bit surprised at the mobile gaming numbers.

I bet its likely people playing games at work, on the bus, waiting in line etc.

This was a survey conducted at a game developers conference... which is mostly just a bunch of indie and amateur game developers. It doesnt mean anything. Do we really think "android microconsoles" (which i assume means ouya) get almost as much developer support as PS3 and xbox 360 combined?

Well there's crossover, since it seems they could pick more than one. So i'd imagine a lot of the people who said smartphone/tablet also said android microconsole

Right but im saying the respondents are generally the ones making self published self developed type games. Its not like the dev teams from triple AAA studios all take time off work to goto these things. So im not sure what the importance of the chart is other than to show PC and mobile have way more crappy indie games, which everyone already knew.

#76 Posted by Cranler (8797 posts) -

Why do consoler's need to take all console numbers to compare against pc?

Why do consoler's ignore digital sales?

Why do consoler's ignore the fact that pc gaming produces more profit then console gaming?

Many of the those games suffered from the casualzation hammer

Quality,detail and uniqueness of those series went out the window when they change to many aspects to fit "the crowd".

Just because every kid and mindless drone goes out a buys the next "big hit" that's been advertized and hyped, is because that is all they know and that's why game sales plummet after the mass rush the first few weeks. They Beat em and resell them.

If you want to game on the computer there's only one choice. On console you can have as many as 5 choices. Not really fair to compare just one console to pc.

1 pc version of Battlefield 4 yet there's 4 versions to choose from on console.

Console gaming isn't monopolized like computer gaming is. If consoles were then you'd almost have the perfect apples to apples comparison. Even if consoles were monopolized theres still the gen transition where half the sales of a multiplat are on the old consoles and half on the new.

#77 Posted by Cranler (8797 posts) -

PC Centric games always sell better on PC itself . Even multiplatform dumbed down games sometimes sell better on PC . Alan Wake anyone .?

Portal 2 sold better on PC

Skyrim sold better on PC

Alan Wake Sold better on PC

Witcher 2 sold better on PC

Payday 2 sold better on PC

Battlefield 3 sold better on PC

Diablo 3 sold better on PC

and so on .

Saying the games doesn't sell better on PC is ignorant and childish at best . And those are just retail numbers , most of the profit comes from digital sales and companies doesn't share it .

That's an incredibly small list and where's the sales breakdown info for Alan Wake and Skyrim? Also remember BF 3 is completely gimped on console.

#78 Posted by R4gn4r0k (16336 posts) -

@wis3boi said:

@R4gn4r0k said:

@blue_hazy_basic said:

Its had bad reviews and while there have been tons of games released on PC lately there's been bugger all on consoles and PC gamers seem less inclined to buy @ launch, partially because they all have huge backlogs and partially because they'd rather wait for a sale.

Yup, it's been proven before that console games sell huge at launch and then sales die out

While PC games sell less at launch but continue to sell over a longer period of time

probably due to a) flavor of the month culture of the console world b) mods

Yup, and I've also found that PC games have longer lasting communities because of a)

I've bought some console games that were only 1-2 years old and the online community had already died out completely. While on PC there are many games over 5 years old that still have a really active community.

#79 Edited by stuff238 (617 posts) -

PC gaming is too much of a hassle. I just want to stick the game in and press play. The end.

My PC is never good enough to play any of the games and I have to install new hardware or find stupid drivers. The cost and time needed to enjoy a PC game is too much. Plus keyboard and mouse sucks. It breaks my left wrist.

#80 Posted by Kinthalis (5308 posts) -

@stuff238 said:

PC gaming is too much of a hassle. I just want to stick the game in and press play. The end.

My PC is never good enough to play any of the games and I have to install new hardware or find stupid drivers. The cost and time needed to enjoy a PC game is too much. Plus keyboard and mouse sucks. It breaks my left wrist.

You sir, win, the idiot troll award! Congratulations!

#81 Edited by PonchoTaco (1991 posts) -

@stuff238 said:

PC gaming is too much of a hassle. I just want to stick the game in and press play. The end.

My PC is never good enough to play any of the games and I have to install new hardware or find stupid drivers. The cost and time needed to enjoy a PC game is too much. Plus keyboard and mouse sucks. It breaks my left wrist.

It's a good thing with PC you don't even have to stick the game in! Just click it and it works! Less hassle than consoles!

#82 Posted by blue_hazy_basic (27407 posts) -

@stuff238 said:

PC gaming is too much of a hassle. I just want to stick the game in and press play. The end.

My PC is never good enough to play any of the games and I have to install new hardware or find stupid drivers. The cost and time needed to enjoy a PC game is too much. Plus keyboard and mouse sucks. It breaks my left wrist.

My 360 won't play XB1 games nor my Wii Wii U games! To make things worse my PS4 can't even play PS3 ones, wtf?!?! CONSOLE GAMING SUCKS.

#83 Posted by SEANMCAD (5464 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@BeardMaster said:

@SEANMCAD said:

@Cloud_imperium said:

It's so sad that corporations had been lying to gamers for so many years and people had been believing in them . This is getting old now .

I am a bit surprised at the mobile gaming numbers.

I bet its likely people playing games at work, on the bus, waiting in line etc.

This was a survey conducted at a game developers conference... which is mostly just a bunch of indie and amateur game developers. It doesnt mean anything. Do we really think "android microconsoles" (which i assume means ouya) get almost as much developer support as PS3 and xbox 360 combined?

Well there's crossover, since it seems they could pick more than one. So i'd imagine a lot of the people who said smartphone/tablet also said android microconsole

Right but im saying the respondents are generally the ones making self published self developed type games. Its not like the dev teams from triple AAA studios all take time off work to goto these things. So im not sure what the importance of the chart is other than to show PC and mobile have way more crappy indie games, which everyone already knew.

when we step back it actually does make sense and here is why.

1. playing games at the office, at school, waiting in line, on the bus, and on the couch waiting for the family to get ready.

2. games that do not carry the burden of controversy of extremely violence

3. some more church going moms can play without feeling like they are tickling the devils penis.

#84 Posted by Jankarcop (9134 posts) -

@Cranler said:

@Cloud_imperium said:

PC Centric games always sell better on PC itself . Even multiplatform dumbed down games sometimes sell better on PC . Alan Wake anyone .?

Portal 2 sold better on PC

Skyrim sold better on PC

Alan Wake Sold better on PC

Witcher 2 sold better on PC

Payday 2 sold better on PC

Battlefield 3 sold better on PC

Diablo 3 sold better on PC

and so on .

Saying the games doesn't sell better on PC is ignorant and childish at best . And those are just retail numbers , most of the profit comes from digital sales and companies doesn't share it .

Also remember BF 3 is completely gimped on console.

It feels this way for nearly all multiplats after playing them on PC. Going from 60 to 20 fps is harsh.

#85 Posted by aroxx_ab (9309 posts) -

Hermits wait for those $1-5 sales on steam, they cant afford buy new games at full price after spent so much money on hardware upgrades...

Piracy do lots damage too...

#86 Edited by naz99 (1248 posts) -

@aroxx_ab said:

Hermits wait for those $1-5 sales on steam, they cant afford buy new games at full price after spent so much money on hardware upgrades...

Piracy do lots damage too...

Hmm 450+ games on steam paid full price or over 200 of them...try again.

Piracy has been on the PC for 30 years (as it is with any open platform) and it never killed it, now we have digital downloads to compete with it, piracy is less of a problem than ever, but you fanboys like to drag it up because you lack any reasonable and remotely solid arguments. :(

You need new material these are already worn out.

#87 Posted by dbtbandit67 (353 posts) -

First off, none of those games you mentioned are "PC-centric"

All those games are mostly first person shooters, and a lot of people prefer to play those with a gamepad.

PC centric is where, having a keyboard and mouse is the organic experience to the game, like a game like Hearthstone or SimCity or X-Com and other strategy/simulation titles where you really need that mouse pointer and a keyboard. This applies to MMORPGs also.

The short answer to your question is: higher install base. It's easier to be a console gamer, not everyone can, or is willing to be a PC Gamer. But really, who cares. Playing games like X-Com is way better on PC, having a mouse and keyboard helps a lot to that sort of game. Being a console fanboy is just as bad as being a PC fanboy, just shutup and game.

#88 Posted by GarGx1 (2537 posts) -

@Cranler said:

@04dcarraher said:

Why do consoler's need to take all console numbers to compare against pc?

Why do consoler's ignore digital sales?

Why do consoler's ignore the fact that pc gaming produces more profit then console gaming?

Many of the those games suffered from the casualzation hammer

Quality,detail and uniqueness of those series went out the window when they change to many aspects to fit "the crowd".

Just because every kid and mindless drone goes out a buys the next "big hit" that's been advertized and hyped, is because that is all they know and that's why game sales plummet after the mass rush the first few weeks. They Beat em and resell them.

If you want to game on the computer there's only one choice. On console you can have as many as 5 choices. Not really fair to compare just one console to pc.

1 pc version of Battlefield 4 yet there's 4 versions to choose from on console.

Console gaming isn't monopolized like computer gaming is. If consoles were then you'd almost have the perfect apples to apples comparison. Even if consoles were monopolized theres still the gen transition where half the sales of a multiplat are on the old consoles and half on the new.

Consoles aren't monopolized? Are you mad?

Who owns Playstation 3 / 4 and controls everything released on it?

Who owns Xbox 360 / One and controls everything released on it?

Who owns Wii / Wii U and controls everything released on it?

The entire console market is controlled by 3 companies and each own and monopolize their own platform.

Now tell me who exactly monopolizes the PC market? Is it the developers who make far more profit per unit sold because they don't have to give a huge cut to Sony, MS or Nintendo but still manage to release games capable of running the multitude of potential hardware configurations available? Or perhaps it's AMD, Intel or Nvidia who release their reference boards to third party manufacturers for commercial development and release? Of course it could be the third party manufacturers who, as well as releasing their own versions of AMD and Nvidia's graphics cards and AMD and Intel's motherboards, design and build their own add on cards for the near infinite uses of a PC.

The only restricted choice in the commercial PC market are CPU's in which you only have Intel and AMD's offerings to choose from, though there are multiple versions from both to choose from.

#89 Posted by Cranler (8797 posts) -

@Cranler said:

@Cloud_imperium said:

PC Centric games always sell better on PC itself . Even multiplatform dumbed down games sometimes sell better on PC . Alan Wake anyone .?

Portal 2 sold better on PC

Skyrim sold better on PC

Alan Wake Sold better on PC

Witcher 2 sold better on PC

Payday 2 sold better on PC

Battlefield 3 sold better on PC

Diablo 3 sold better on PC

and so on .

Saying the games doesn't sell better on PC is ignorant and childish at best . And those are just retail numbers , most of the profit comes from digital sales and companies doesn't share it .

Also remember BF 3 is completely gimped on console.

It feels this way for nearly all multiplats after playing them on PC. Going from 60 to 20 fps is harsh.

More so with BF 3 since it's 24 players. BF 4 usually has more players on next gen consoles than pc.

#90 Posted by aroxx_ab (9309 posts) -

@naz99 said:

@aroxx_ab said:

Hermits wait for those $1-5 sales on steam, they cant afford buy new games at full price after spent so much money on hardware upgrades...

Piracy do lots damage too...

Hmm 450+ games on steam paid full price or over 200 of them...try again.

Piracy has been on the PC for 30 years (as it is with any open platform) and it never killed it, now we have digital downloads to compete with it, piracy is less of a problem than ever, but you fanboys like to drag it up because you lack any reasonable and remotely solid arguments. :(

You need new material these are already worn out.

it is the developers that bring it up so yeah it seem to be a problem and console version sells more of most multiplats. Thats why you have to wait for GTA V on pc...

#91 Posted by Cranler (8797 posts) -

@GarGx1 said:

@Cranler said:

@04dcarraher said:

Why do consoler's need to take all console numbers to compare against pc?

Why do consoler's ignore digital sales?

Why do consoler's ignore the fact that pc gaming produces more profit then console gaming?

Many of the those games suffered from the casualzation hammer

Quality,detail and uniqueness of those series went out the window when they change to many aspects to fit "the crowd".

Just because every kid and mindless drone goes out a buys the next "big hit" that's been advertized and hyped, is because that is all they know and that's why game sales plummet after the mass rush the first few weeks. They Beat em and resell them.

If you want to game on the computer there's only one choice. On console you can have as many as 5 choices. Not really fair to compare just one console to pc.

1 pc version of Battlefield 4 yet there's 4 versions to choose from on console.

Console gaming isn't monopolized like computer gaming is. If consoles were then you'd almost have the perfect apples to apples comparison. Even if consoles were monopolized theres still the gen transition where half the sales of a multiplat are on the old consoles and half on the new.

Consoles aren't monopolized? Are you mad?

Who owns Playstation 3 / 4 and controls everything released on it?

Who owns Xbox 360 / One and controls everything released on it?

Who owns Wii / Wii U and controls everything released on it?

The entire console market is controlled by 3 companies and each own and monopolize their own platform.

Now tell me who exactly monopolizes the PC market? Is it the developers who make far more profit per unit sold because they don't have to give a huge cut to Sony, MS or Nintendo but still manage to release games capable of running the multitude of potential hardware configurations available? Or perhaps it's AMD, Intel or Nvidia who release their reference boards to third party manufacturers for commercial development and release? Of course it could be the third party manufacturers who, as well as releasing their own versions of AMD and Nvidia's graphics cards and AMD and Intel's motherboards, design and build their own add on cards for the near infinite uses of a PC.

The only restricted choice in the commercial PC market are CPU's in which you only have Intel and AMD's offerings to choose from, though there are multiple versions from both to choose from.

If you want to game on consoles you have the choice between MS, Sony and Nintendo. You aren't forced into one company. Hence, not monopolized.

With computer gaming it's pc or nothing. PC is synonymous with Windows. Mac and Linux simply aren't viable options since most games support neither. MS basically has a monopoly on pc gaming since all games are designed to run on Windows.

So when people put forth the argument that comparing all consoles to pc is unfair then you could say well what if Mac and Linux were as popular as pc for gaming? Pc gaming numbers would be cut by 2/3rds if that were the case.

#92 Posted by flashn00b (2908 posts) -

I think it's because PC gamers, myself included, are spoiled by Steam's christmas sales, along with the Christmas-in-July sales, and will instead hold onto their money for those sales.

#93 Posted by dxmcat (1121 posts) -

lowest common denominator. thats why.

case in point: pop music.

/thread

#94 Edited by naz99 (1248 posts) -

@aroxx_ab said:

@naz99 said:

@aroxx_ab said:

Hermits wait for those $1-5 sales on steam, they cant afford buy new games at full price after spent so much money on hardware upgrades...

Piracy do lots damage too...

Hmm 450+ games on steam paid full price or over 200 of them...try again.

Piracy has been on the PC for 30 years (as it is with any open platform) and it never killed it, now we have digital downloads to compete with it, piracy is less of a problem than ever, but you fanboys like to drag it up because you lack any reasonable and remotely solid arguments. :(

You need new material these are already worn out.

it is the developers that bring it up so yeah it seem to be a problem and console version sells more of most multiplats. Thats why you have to wait for GTA V on pc...

A handfull of the hundreds of devs talking about it does not equal all devs....and GTA gets delayed so they can get people to double dip on the game...why have somebody buy it once when you can get them to buy it twice.

All of what you say is your own opinion and not rooted in fact.

Oh and provide proof of those multiplat sales numbers while you are at it or that too becomes another opinion.

#95 Posted by True_Gamer_ (6026 posts) -

@naz99 said:

@aroxx_ab said:

@naz99 said:

@aroxx_ab said:

Hermits wait for those $1-5 sales on steam, they cant afford buy new games at full price after spent so much money on hardware upgrades...

Piracy do lots damage too...

Hmm 450+ games on steam paid full price or over 200 of them...try again.

Piracy has been on the PC for 30 years (as it is with any open platform) and it never killed it, now we have digital downloads to compete with it, piracy is less of a problem than ever, but you fanboys like to drag it up because you lack any reasonable and remotely solid arguments. :(

You need new material these are already worn out.

it is the developers that bring it up so yeah it seem to be a problem and console version sells more of most multiplats. Thats why you have to wait for GTA V on pc...

A handfull of the hundreds of devs talking about it does not equal all devs....and GTA gets delayed so they can get people to double dip on the game...why have somebody buy it once when you can get them to buy it twice.

All of what you say is your own opinion and not rooted in fact.

The consolites still avoid the digital sales....

If they get added then:

#96 Posted by psx_warrior (1512 posts) -

@GarGx1 said:

Digital sales are never included in these reports. Very few people buy hard copy PC games these days.

That's sad too. I bought the Galactic Edition of Spore which included a lot of stuff along with the game. While I love the ease of being able to Download Skyrim from Steam at will if I uninstalled it at will for whatever reason, having a collectible hard copy like that is great.

#97 Posted by clr84651 (5390 posts) -

More people game on consoles & piracy.

#98 Edited by lostrib (35018 posts) -

@clr84651 said:

More people game on consoles & piracy.

source?

#99 Edited by clr84651 (5390 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@clr84651 said:

More people game on consoles & piracy.

source?

Shut up!

#100 Posted by lostrib (35018 posts) -

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

@clr84651 said:

More people game on consoles & piracy.

source?

Shut up!

Lol. Why do you get so upset?