Uncharted Creative Director Forced Out Of Naughty Dog

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#101 Szminsky
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Guerilla games should pick her up hehe.

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#102 donalbane
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It's strange that I'm more deeply saddened by this than the Uncharted fans... I never thought Uncharted had outstanding Gameplay, but I played all the games and really enjoyed the writing above all else.

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#104 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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@DarkLink77 said:

@JangoWuzHere said:

Is it weird that she wrote one of the best video game stories of this generation (Uncharted 2), but also one of the worst video game stories as well (Uncharted 3)?

No, mostly because the story in Uncharted 2 really isn't that good. It's a popcorn flick with nothing of value to say. That's like saying The Avengers has one of the best stories in in film in the last ten years.

I heart you DL :)

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#106 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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@GrenadeLauncher said:

"Forced out"

Remind me why we take IGN clickbaiting seriously?

More than likely she completed the writing for it and moved on to do new projects. This is what, the 4th UC game in a decade? Hopefully it's an LOK reboot next.

Without knowing the details I feel that gaming sites in general are so guilty of this constantly.

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#107 kuu2
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More people leaving the Titanic is not news, I am sure it was for a better position. Any new IPs over there at ND to be excited about.

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#108  Edited By Heil68
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When you make 2 top 5 GOAT, the bar of excellence is too much for some to handle. We all wish her well on her future endeavors and hopes she remembers to Live, Learn and Love like SONY and Naughty Gods taught her.

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#109 XboxDone74
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Seems like Uncharted, like mgs4, gonna be causing massive butthurt, in lems and herms for years to come.

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#110  Edited By Flubbbs
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Druckmann and Straley 'forcing' her out doesnt make any sense..they are broke up into two different team. they have been on TLoU for years now and havent even worked on the Uncharted series since the 2nd one.

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#111  Edited By zassimick  Moderator
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Do we understand what "forced out" means? Will we ever understand? Maybe it was the natural progression of the company? Or possibly it was Hennig's decision as Druckman and Straley were editing her work, which she felt was taking creative freedom away from her? Or maybe those two bullied her into leaving so they could have all the treasure?

I wish her the best though. Her work on Uncharted 2: Among Thieves helped make the game great with its fun narrative and well-realized characters. And Drake's Fortune and Drake's Deception aren't anything to scoff at either! If she continues working in this industry, I hope she's able to find a position where she's able to continue assisting developers realize their characters and games. A few studios come to mind when thinking about who could benefit from her talent (Guerilla Games and Bioware being a couple of them).

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#112 kuu2
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Where is all the sympathy from Sony Fan about her losing her job like we saw in an earlier layoff thread?????

Now it is nothing but 'she sucked anyway', and 'things will be better without her'.

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#113 Nengo_Flow
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@alcapello said:

A new developer up in the air!!! This could mean a new game for the lemmings!!

you are an idiot...... on person (a script writer) leaves and you think the whole developer studio has separated from SONY.

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#114  Edited By zeeshanhaider
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Wait, did I just hear cows calling Uncharted having a mediocre writing? Oh Sony drones, you never ceases to amaze me.

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#115 BattleSpectre
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Maybe change is good.

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@zeeshanhaider said:

Wait, did I just hear cows calling Uncharted having a mediocre writing? Oh Sony drones, you never ceases to amaze me.

Did you just ignore the 2 pages before your post saying how she did an amazing job writing U2 and creating likable characters?

Lems never ceases to amaze me.

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#118  Edited By kinectthedots
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Well it sounds like they played a game of the weakest link and she apparently won.

Too bad she lost her job but as a story writer what she did is nothing compared to TLOU. Her work isn't bad, it just isn't compelling or inspiring it simply "worked" and that was really the weakest part of the Uncharted package. I never really found a reason to care about the story or characters other than recognizing that everything fit and was well put togeher.

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#119 jsmoke03
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that sucks for her and shady on whoever forced her out

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#120 Sushiglutton
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I think she'll be fine. There are sooo many studios having the Naughty Dog fever, that for them to be able to hire the Queen herself will seem very tempting indeed.

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#121 speedfog
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Poor cows. But still the "Creative" director for the UC games sucked balls. They can use an other guy with a more creative mind. Instead of creating the same old shit.

I loved UC but damn there was noting creative about it.

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#122  Edited By Zethrickk382
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@Szminsky: "Guerilla games should pick her up hehe."

Brilliant! lol

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#123 Salt_The_Fries
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Funny how people deem her mediocre when this is the gal who penned Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver and its sequels.

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#124 lhughey
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People sometimes get complacent AND/OR companies needs change. It happens. I'm happy she has such an awesome body of work to be able to select from a host of opportunities. SW will fight about anything

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#125 Mr-Kutaragi
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She is talent maybe MS 1st party can hire they need all help possible. Funny lem bash her for year now begging and hoping her to fix halo story.

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#126 EducatingU_PCMR
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Ouch.

Not a good sign when your lead director/writer abandons the studio in the midst of its big next production.

RIP ND.

Sony keeps going down. U4 flop confirmed?

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#127 Alcapello
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@Nengo_Flow said:

@alcapello said:

A new developer up in the air!!! This could mean a new game for the lemmings!!

you are an idiot...... on person (a script writer) leaves and you think the whole developer studio has separated from SONY.

Anything is possible

*sipples tea

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#128 zeeshanhaider
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@Nengo_Flow said:

@zeeshanhaider said:

Wait, did I just hear cows calling Uncharted having a mediocre writing? Oh Sony drones, you never ceases to amaze me.

Did you just ignore the 2 pages before your post saying how she did an amazing job writing U2 and creating likable characters?

Lems never ceases to amaze me.

I think you are the one overlook all the comments. And I like that every time I call out Sony drones on their hypocrisy they label me a lem even though I haven't own any MS console. Funny huh? Oh and little reminder, before making some foolish comment make use of a search function about me and cows. It will save you from massive embarrassment.

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#129  Edited By Nengo_Flow
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@EducatingU_PCMR said:

Ouch.

Not a good sign when your lead director/writer abandons the studio in the midst of its big next production.

RIP ND.

Sony keeps going down. U4 flop confirmed?

Welp................. there is a difference between "forced out" and leaving.

Leaving would indicated, she had enough of the bullshit and didnt want to be there anymore so she abondon the place.

"Forced out would mean that the people in suite above her hand some plans and she was in the way/ or wasnt willing to comply, therefore they were the ones to give her the boot.

One means she doesnt give a **** and bounced, the other means she gave a **** but the other voted her out.

Anyways, we dont know what went down. You got to remember that you can never trust these cites about these matters, becuz she could have been sick and had to call it quits her self for all we know, but a website hungry for views may say that she was bullied out or she got pissed and abandon everything.

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#130 Nengo_Flow
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@zeeshanhaider said:

@Nengo_Flow said:

@zeeshanhaider said:

Wait, did I just hear cows calling Uncharted having a mediocre writing? Oh Sony drones, you never ceases to amaze me.

Did you just ignore the 2 pages before your post saying how she did an amazing job writing U2 and creating likable characters?

Lems never ceases to amaze me.

I think you are the one overlook all the comments. And I like that every time I call out Sony drones on their hypocrisy they label me a lem even though I haven't own any MS console. Funny huh? Oh and little reminder, before making some foolish comment make use of a search function about me and cows. It will save you from massive embarrassment.

why you sound so asshurt?

We call any cow obsessed SONY hater a lem.

Embrace it.

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#131 zeeshanhaider
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@Nengo_Flow said:

@zeeshanhaider said:

@Nengo_Flow said:

@zeeshanhaider said:

Wait, did I just hear cows calling Uncharted having a mediocre writing? Oh Sony drones, you never ceases to amaze me.

Did you just ignore the 2 pages before your post saying how she did an amazing job writing U2 and creating likable characters?

Lems never ceases to amaze me.

I think you are the one overlook all the comments. And I like that every time I call out Sony drones on their hypocrisy they label me a lem even though I haven't own any MS console. Funny huh? Oh and little reminder, before making some foolish comment make use of a search function about me and cows. It will save you from massive embarrassment.

why you sound so asshurt?

We call any cow obsessed SONY hater a lem.

Embrace it.

Well, I'm proud of the fact that I hate idiots (cows) but I'm not a lem. Sorry you were wrong on that front Sony drone. I'm a proud hermit. Embrace it that cows are the most hypocrites and hated faction on SW. Congratulations, you are un-bearable, Sony drones.

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#132 kingtito
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@Krelian-co said:

lol lems are really desperate for anything

Isnt' that the pot calling the kettle black.

Does price drop == bad ring any bells cow? I could also use many many many other desperate cow threads as examples.

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#133 HalcyonScarlet
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@kuu2 said:

Where is all the sympathy from Sony Fan about her losing her job like we saw in an earlier layoff thread?????

Now it is nothing but 'she sucked anyway', and 'things will be better without her'.

I know right, cows really are the worst. Can't even grant her the respect she deserves for being creative director on a series they hold with such importance, They'd rather save face and damage control and try and turn this around then give her, her dues.

It's just sad, really.

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#134  Edited By Couth_
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@Zaibach said:

@Couth_ said:

@Zaibach said:

shame, she has a talent for creating likeable characters.

Nathan Drake? He's not exactly an iconic character, which is crazy considering the praise the series gets. Also, the best game in the series was one she only co-directed. I welcome this move. I think Uncharted 4 will be way better off for it.

What does this have to do with 'iconic characters?' I said likeable.

exactly what is the turn-around time to becoming an iconic character?

what is an iconic character?

Drake has been around a grand total of 3 games in a span of 5 years

He's been in 4 games. There are characters who have been in less games and left a more lasting impression. Drake sucks, is what i'm getting at. He is a beta male

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#135 deactivated-5acbb9993d0bd
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maybe now the game will actually have more than graphics going for it? maybe I will care about the gameplay....

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#136 deactivated-59b71619573a1
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Her work on Uncharted 3 was pretty crappy anyway

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#137  Edited By tyloss
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You need a life TC.

Dude using someone losing their job for ownage purposes is petty.

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#138 RR360DD
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So sad that the talent at Naughty Dog is being constricted by Sonys weaknesses.

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#139 cainetao11
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Sorry to hear someone is out of work. I liked the uncharted games. Don't care about the "ownage" BS, I like playing games

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#140 StriateEnd
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Forced out? Damn. Sounds like something that would happen in Valve...

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#141 lostrib
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@StriateEnd said:

Forced out? Damn. Sounds like something that would happen in Valve...

why valve?

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#142  Edited By Pray_to_me
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Unlike many of the derps in this thread I actually thought it was a positive that Naughty Dog had 2 great writers with 2 entirely different writing styles.

Comparing Uncharted to The Last of Us is like comparing Star Wars to The Terminator. They have two totally different tones and I can enjoy each for what they are, rather than wish that one was more like the other. Most reasonable people will see this as a loss for Naughty Dog.

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#143 Zaibach
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@Couth_ said:

@Zaibach said:

@Couth_ said:

@Zaibach said:

shame, she has a talent for creating likeable characters.

Nathan Drake? He's not exactly an iconic character, which is crazy considering the praise the series gets. Also, the best game in the series was one she only co-directed. I welcome this move. I think Uncharted 4 will be way better off for it.

What does this have to do with 'iconic characters?' I said likeable.

exactly what is the turn-around time to becoming an iconic character?

what is an iconic character?

Drake has been around a grand total of 3 games in a span of 5 years

He's been in 4 games. There are characters who have been in less games and left a more lasting impression. Drake sucks, is what i'm getting at. He is a beta male

Like who? be as subjective as you want.

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#144  Edited By Zaibach
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@mems_1224 said:

@Zaibach said:

@DarkLink77 said:

@Zaibach said:

shame, she has a talent for creating likeable characters.

Does any really want an Uncharted as grim as TLOU?

Using someone who's out of a job is pretty tasteless, OP

News is news, yo.

I don't want Uncharted to be as grim as The Last of Us, but they would be much better if they were as well constructed as that game is.

Nothing wrong with Uncharted's construction, Uncharted 2 was one of the best games ever made, as great as TLOU (still playing it) is, having a game with a greater emphasis on levity is good for ND.

Uncharted is goofy, fun and can be serious too when it needs to be it doesn't need to be the 'citizen Kane' of gaming.

LOL

excellent riposte

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#145 DarkLink77
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@Zaibach said:

@DarkLink77 said:

@Zaibach said:

shame, she has a talent for creating likeable characters.

Does any really want an Uncharted as grim as TLOU?

Using someone who's out of a job is pretty tasteless, OP

News is news, yo.

I don't want Uncharted to be as grim as The Last of Us, but they would be much better if they were as well constructed as that game is.

Nothing wrong with Uncharted's construction, Uncharted 2 was one of the best games ever made, as great as TLOU (still playing it) is, having a game with a greater emphasis on levity is good for ND.

Uncharted is goofy, fun and can be serious too when it needs to be it doesn't need to be the 'citizen Kane' of gaming.

One of the best games ever made? Please. It's not even the best game in its genre.

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#146  Edited By Couth_
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@Zaibach said:

@Couth_ said:

@Zaibach said:

What does this have to do with 'iconic characters?' I said likeable.

exactly what is the turn-around time to becoming an iconic character?

what is an iconic character?

Drake has been around a grand total of 3 games in a span of 5 years

He's been in 4 games. There are characters who have been in less games and left a more lasting impression. Drake sucks, is what i'm getting at. He is a beta male

Like who? be as subjective as you want.

Guys like Master Chief (doesn't even talk), Kratos, Solid Snake were huge if not after their first game, their second definitely. Nate Drake is just a guy in comparison.. People already gravitate towards Ellie and Joel way more than Drake after just one game..

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#147 Mr-Kutaragi
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@zeeshanhaider said:

@Nengo_Flow said:

@zeeshanhaider said:

@Nengo_Flow said:

@zeeshanhaider said:

Wait, did I just hear cows calling Uncharted having a mediocre writing? Oh Sony drones, you never ceases to amaze me.

Did you just ignore the 2 pages before your post saying how she did an amazing job writing U2 and creating likable characters?

Lems never ceases to amaze me.

I think you are the one overlook all the comments. And I like that every time I call out Sony drones on their hypocrisy they label me a lem even though I haven't own any MS console. Funny huh? Oh and little reminder, before making some foolish comment make use of a search function about me and cows. It will save you from massive embarrassment.

why you sound so asshurt?

We call any cow obsessed SONY hater a lem.

Embrace it.

Well, I'm proud of the fact that I hate idiots (cows) but I'm not a lem. Sorry you were wrong on that front Sony drone. I'm a proud hermit. Embrace it that cows are the most hypocrites and hated faction on SW. Congratulations, you are un-bearable, Sony drones.

Hahaha you have been coma for past year? Obvious that this tired lem myth has been debunk in last year with them defending Soviet Xbox policy and useless camera peripheral being forced. This is much better place that half of them flee because PS domination, yet Lem are still worst and dumbest faction. Ouch.

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#148 Nonstop-Madness  Online
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Kinda sucks but I honestly don't believe the whole "she was forced out" bull****.

Uncharted 4 shouldn't be affected considering it's probably past pre-production at this point - the story has already been written.

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#149 Zaibach
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@Couth_ said:

@Zaibach said:

@Couth_ said:

@Zaibach said:

What does this have to do with 'iconic characters?' I said likeable.

exactly what is the turn-around time to becoming an iconic character?

what is an iconic character?

Drake has been around a grand total of 3 games in a span of 5 years

He's been in 4 games. There are characters who have been in less games and left a more lasting impression. Drake sucks, is what i'm getting at. He is a beta male

Like who? be as subjective as you want.

Guys like Master Chief (doesn't even talk), Kratos, Solid Snake were huge if not after their first game, their second definitely. Nate Drake is just a guy in comparison.. People already gravitate towards Ellie and Joel way more than Drake after just one game..

Masterchief - has been in games for almost 14 years

Kratos - has been in 7 games

If Nathan Drake is 'just a guy' what does that make Joel?

the bolded part you just straight up pulled out of your ass

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#150 Zaibach
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@DarkLink77 said:

@Zaibach said:

@DarkLink77 said:

@Zaibach said:

shame, she has a talent for creating likeable characters.

Does any really want an Uncharted as grim as TLOU?

Using someone who's out of a job is pretty tasteless, OP

News is news, yo.

I don't want Uncharted to be as grim as The Last of Us, but they would be much better if they were as well constructed as that game is.

Nothing wrong with Uncharted's construction, Uncharted 2 was one of the best games ever made, as great as TLOU (still playing it) is, having a game with a greater emphasis on levity is good for ND.

Uncharted is goofy, fun and can be serious too when it needs to be it doesn't need to be the 'citizen Kane' of gaming.

One of the best games ever made? Please. It's not even the best game in its genre.

I was using hyperbole to make a point, UC2 was triumph which inspired industry trends and has the accolades to prove it