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#1 AvatarAko
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WTF?  3 Different Packages in what...1 year and 3-4 months.

I mean 2 is pushing it, but 3?  Come on whats next?  An XBOX 360 with a 1TB HDD and an HD-DVD drive built in...Coming Winter 2007?

This is such BS.  Releasing a package much much better then its current a little over a year after the original?

Look at Sony (cause I know ppl are going to bring this up) PS2.

The original one came out in 2000-01.  Then 4 (longer then the XBOX life) year's later, they released a slimmer one. (4 YEARS LATER).
What did it have that its orignial didn't?  Hmm...An Ethernet Port?  Wow...like anybody really played PS2 online...I don't think many ppl even knew that it was online.

What does the new 360 have?
Hmm...100GB more space (120GB)
HDMI (Lemmings claimed it wasn't neccessary and that it sucks, but now its great yay)
Smaller CPU (Less overheating, less noise)
Quiter Drive (No More Jet Engine sounds...hopefully)

So is that a major upgrade?  YES. Was the PS2-PSTwo or Slim ? Not really, it was an upgrade, but it had nothing that you could get with the original, like the HDMI for the 360, or the Quiter Drive. 

TLHBO.
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#2 Goku004
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Yeah I know M$ are idiots, they'll fail again this gen.  Who do they think they are Sony?  They still haven't learned, rather than put there resources into creating better games, they make a new system.Cause Sony is lurking with a strong lineup of games in the coming months.   
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#3 white_sox
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How much is the new one supposed to retail at....or has it not been announced?
 
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#4 DaysAirlines
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So what you are saying is that once this thing hits, lemmings are going to use this sku as a comparison going forward. 120 gigs sounds pretty nice to me, what is that, twice of what's on the PS3? I can feel it coming already.
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#5 DA_B0MB
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I am not owned. I do not mind having a 20 gig HDD and just because this rumored new 360 is a different color doesn't mean I'm gonna open my wallet up. It's not like this rumored 360 can play games the original can't. Besides, if I REALLY wanted to have a different colored 360 I could just have someone paint it for a much smaller fee. That being said, I could actually get multiple colors and designs. I'm sure that there would be a seprately sold 120 gig XBOX 360 HDD out too if this new 360 was released.
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#6 choasgod
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Dont forget that this makes 360 - $479.99 .... thats a $80 price rise ...
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#7 mattbbpl
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How much is the new one supposed to retail at....or has it not been announced?
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The new model hasn't even been announced, but the rumored model is rumored to retail for $479. It's currently all speculation.
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#8 Shad0ki11
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TLHBO? That's funny because your ownage is weak to none. If anything a bigger and better 360 means it's x times better than the PS3.

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#9 the-very-best
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How much is the new one supposed to retail at....or has it not been announced?
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$479 supposedly, but all this talk is still in the rumour stage.
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#10 XenoNinja
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When you're desperate, you'll do anything to keep the #1 spot. 
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#11 -Sniper99-
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IF this happens, then yes, I, a 360 owner, will have been owned:(
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#12 -GeordiLaForge-
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That's funny, I read that Zehpyr is the codename for the 65nm Xenon, not a new 360. And if it is true, then I'm glad to see that new 360 owners will get a bigger harddrive and HDMI....
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#13 mattbbpl
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TLHBO? That's funny because your ownage is weak to none. If anything a bigger and better 360 means it's x times more powerful than the PS3.

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The power will remain unchanged as it must retain software compatibility with the older SKUs.
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#14 Goku004
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How much is the new one supposed to retail at....or has it not been announced?
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Roughly $500
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#15 -GeordiLaForge-
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What did it have that its orignial didn't? Hmm...An Ethernet Port? Wow...like anybody really played PS2 online..AvatarAko
And it actually played dvd's in dvd quality, which the PS2 couldn't do....
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#16 AvatarAko
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TLHBO? That's funny because your ownage is weak to none. If anything a bigger and better 360 means it's x times more powerful than the PS3.

Shad0ki11
Do you think the average consumer will know what the Zephyr or New360 is? He's gonna walk and and be like hey didn't they release a new xbox just last year...a new wth? This will just spark confusion, and even more confusion because of the price increase. And TLHBO because they kept on claiming that HDMI and more HDD space isn't required and that MS wouldn't screw the early adopters...serves them right. The Early adopters, and the people that got a 360 for X-mAs have been owned
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#17 DA_B0MB
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[QUOTE="Shad0ki11"]

TLHBO? That's funny because your ownage is weak to none. If anything a bigger and better 360 means it's x times more powerful than the PS3.

AvatarAko
Do you think the average consumer will know what the Zephyr or New360 is? He's gonna walk and and be like hey didn't they release a new xbox just last year...a new wth? This will just spark confusion, and even more confusion because of the price increase. And TLHBO because they kept on claiming that HDMI and more HDD space isn't required and that MS wouldn't screw the early adopters...serves them right. The Early adopters, and the people that got a 360 for X-mAs have been owned

You do realize that this is still a rumour right?
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#18 asdasd
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It will just piss me off if MS does this.I got my 360 a couple months before christmas and this is just like a kick in the balls. Thats why I like the PS3, it had HDMI included from the beginging. My TV doesnt support 1080p through componant and I really dont feel like spending 150$ for an adapter that changes vga to hdmi.
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#19 Shad0ki11
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[QUOTE="Shad0ki11"]

TLHBO? That's funny because your ownage is weak to none. If anything a bigger and better 360 means it's x times more powerful than the PS3.

AvatarAko

Do you think the average consumer will know what the Zephyr or New360 is? He's gonna walk and and be like hey didn't they release a new xbox just last year...a new wth? This will just spark confusion, and even more confusion because of the price increase. And TLHBO because they kept on claiming that HDMI and more HDD space isn't required and that MS wouldn't screw the early adopters...serves them right. The Early adopters, and the people that got a 360 for X-mAs have been owned

Alright

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#20 Baird-06
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[QUOTE="Shad0ki11"]

TLHBO? That's funny because your ownage is weak to none. If anything a bigger and better 360 means it's x times more powerful than the PS3.

AvatarAko
Do you think the average consumer will know what the Zephyr or New360 is? He's gonna walk and and be like hey didn't they release a new xbox just last year...a new wth? This will just spark confusion, and even more confusion because of the price increase. And TLHBO because they kept on claiming that HDMI and more HDD space isn't required and that MS wouldn't screw the early adopters...serves them right. The Early adopters, and the people that got a 360 for X-mAs have been owned

Yes because we are all forced to go out and buy the new 360 because we need the extra space and the HDMI... Riiight... :?

And it's really funny when you're trying to claim ownage over that with things like this and this.
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#21 treyskillz
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No, the fact that they might be coming out what a larger harddrive is great. You do know that I could just buy the harddrive on attach it to my "OUTDATED" xbox360, and play the same games that the "NEW" 360 can play.
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[QUOTE="Shad0ki11"]

TLHBO? That's funny because your ownage is weak to none. If anything a bigger and better 360 means it's x times more powerful than the PS3.

AvatarAko
Do you think the average consumer will know what the Zephyr or New360 is? He's gonna walk and and be like hey didn't they release a new xbox just last year...a new wth? This will just spark confusion, and even more confusion because of the price increase. And TLHBO because they kept on claiming that HDMI and more HDD space isn't required and that MS wouldn't screw the early adopters...serves them right. The Early adopters, and the people that got a 360 for X-mAs have been owned

Yes, you seem to don't know much about the average consumer. They do notice this changes specially when it's there in the store with a different color saying it has HDMI (even if they don't know what it is) and bigger HDD.
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#23 AvatarAko
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[QUOTE="AvatarAko"][QUOTE="Shad0ki11"]

TLHBO? That's funny because your ownage is weak to none. If anything a bigger and better 360 means it's x times more powerful than the PS3.

DA_B0MB
Do you think the average consumer will know what the Zephyr or New360 is? He's gonna walk and and be like hey didn't they release a new xbox just last year...a new wth? This will just spark confusion, and even more confusion because of the price increase. And TLHBO because they kept on claiming that HDMI and more HDD space isn't required and that MS wouldn't screw the early adopters...serves them right. The Early adopters, and the people that got a 360 for X-mAs have been owned

You do realize that this is still a rumour right?

Its going to happen. Just like AC and Oblivion were bound to be on 360 and PS3. The sources just keep popping up.
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PS2 slim wasn't a big upgrade, but the PSX was.
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Not only have the lemmings been owned. People like me have been owned just the same.

Now what am I going to do with this piece of junk last gen 360 when the new better next-gen 360 comes out?

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#26 AvatarAko
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No, the fact that they might be coming out what a larger harddrive is great. You do know that I could just buy the harddrive on attach it to my "OUTDATED" xbox360, and play the same games that the "NEW" 360 can play.treyskillz
If a 20GB HDD costs $100 how much do you think a $120GB will cost? $600? $500? Probably $200. If you look at it in the long run, you'll end up paying over $1,000 to get the XBOX 360 MS wanted to create.
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#27 Baird-06
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Not only have the lemmings been owned. People like me have been owned just the same.

Now what am I going to do with this piece of junk last gen 360 when the new better next-gen 360 comes out?

Cedmln
They play the same games. :|
(unless you are being sarcastic, I can't tell...)
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#28 gmastersexay
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[QUOTE="AvatarAko"][QUOTE="Shad0ki11"]

TLHBO? That's funny because your ownage is weak to none. If anything a bigger and better 360 means it's x times more powerful than the PS3.

DA_B0MB
Do you think the average consumer will know what the Zephyr or New360 is? He's gonna walk and and be like hey didn't they release a new xbox just last year...a new wth? This will just spark confusion, and even more confusion because of the price increase. And TLHBO because they kept on claiming that HDMI and more HDD space isn't required and that MS wouldn't screw the early adopters...serves them right. The Early adopters, and the people that got a 360 for X-mAs have been owned

You do realize that this is still a rumour right?

You do realize that the HD-DVD add on and Zune rumors started the same way?
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[QUOTE="treyskillz"]No, the fact that they might be coming out what a larger harddrive is great. You do know that I could just buy the harddrive on attach it to my "OUTDATED" xbox360, and play the same games that the "NEW" 360 can play.AvatarAko
If a 20GB HDD costs $100 how much do you think a $120GB will cost? $600? $500? Probably $200. If you look at it in the long run, you'll end up paying over $1,000 to get the XBOX 360 MS wanted to create.

I see the 120GB retailing for $100 and the 20GB being phased out. A 20GB hard drive and a 120GB hard drive cost virtually the same to manufacture, and it would cost MS too much money to keep 2 hard drive SKUs in production when economies of scale could be gained by phasing the lesser out. Once again, this is assuming that this rumor turns out to be true.
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[QUOTE="AvatarAko"][QUOTE="treyskillz"]No, the fact that they might be coming out what a larger harddrive is great. You do know that I could just buy the harddrive on attach it to my "OUTDATED" xbox360, and play the same games that the "NEW" 360 can play.mattbbpl
If a 20GB HDD costs $100 how much do you think a $120GB will cost? $600? $500? Probably $200. If you look at it in the long run, you'll end up paying over $1,000 to get the XBOX 360 MS wanted to create.

I see the 120GB retailing for $100 and the 20GB being phased out. A 20GB hard drive and a 120GB hard drive cost virtually the same to manufacture, and it would cost MS too much money to keep 2 hard drive SKUs in production when economies of scale could be gained by phasing the lesser out. Once again, this is assuming that this rumor turns out to be true.

I think I remember hearing talks of MS lowering the price of the 20GB HDDs. Not sure though...
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[QUOTE="Cedmln"]

Not only have the lemmings been owned. People like me have been owned just the same.

Now what am I going to do with this piece of junk last gen 360 when the new better next-gen 360 comes out?

Baird-06

They play the same games. :|
(unless you are being sarcastic, I can't tell...)

Yes the last coment was sarcastic. BUt still. I will be owned for buying the inferior one. :(

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#32 reilo
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Does anyone know if the rumored Black X360 has Wi-Fi built in?
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[QUOTE="treyskillz"]No, the fact that they might be coming out what a larger harddrive is great. You do know that I could just buy the harddrive on attach it to my "OUTDATED" xbox360, and play the same games that the "NEW" 360 can play.AvatarAko
If a 20GB HDD costs $100 how much do you think a $120GB will cost? $600? $500? Probably $200. If you look at it in the long run, you'll end up paying over $1,000 to get the XBOX 360 MS wanted to create.

The Harddrive won't cost as much as the system.

I'd sell my harddrive to buy the new one. (I have a memory card, don't worry)

Friend works at bestbuy (discount)

last time I checked $300 + $200 = $600 ( Yes, I got core, then got a HDD)

 

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#34 ChevelleFan
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Dont forget that this makes 360 - $479.99 .... thats a $80 price rise ... choasgod

Thats less than a days wages for most people. 

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#35 AvatarAko
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[QUOTE="AvatarAko"][QUOTE="treyskillz"]No, the fact that they might be coming out what a larger harddrive is great. You do know that I could just buy the harddrive on attach it to my "OUTDATED" xbox360, and play the same games that the "NEW" 360 can play.treyskillz

If a 20GB HDD costs $100 how much do you think a $120GB will cost? $600? $500? Probably $200. If you look at it in the long run, you'll end up paying over $1,000 to get the XBOX 360 MS wanted to create.

The Harddrive won't cost as much as the system.

I'd sell my harddrive to buy the new one. (I have a memory card, don't worry)

Friend works at bestbuy (discount)

last time I checked $300 + $200 = $600 ( Yes, I got core, then got a HDD)

your the only one :)
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#36 reilo
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[QUOTE="choasgod"]Dont forget that this makes 360 - $479.99 .... thats a $80 price rise ... ChevelleFan

Thats less than a days wages for most people.

No it's not... Minimum wage is around $7.25 (could be lower). Work 8 hours, and that comes to $58 BEFORE taxes.
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#37 heretrix
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Yes because that just killed the DS. What an even better version? That's terrible...God forbid a company improve their product when it becomes economically feasable...That's just ripping people off even though the version they bought will still continue to work with all upcoming games...:|

This is beyond silly. This kind of stuff happens all the time. Ipods are one of the most popular electronic devices ever and they make new ones almost every year.Does it suck? Yes....Especially if you just bought one...But nobody's forcing you to buy it and your old Ipod will continue to play your music...

You aren't forced to buy the new 360 and your games will continue to work. MS doesn't owe anybody anymore than that.

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#38 AvatarAko
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[QUOTE="ChevelleFan"]

[QUOTE="choasgod"]Dont forget that this makes 360 - $479.99 .... thats a $80 price rise ... reilo

Thats less than a days wages for most people.

No it's not... Minimum wage is around $7.25 (could be lower). Work 8 hours, and that comes to $58 BEFORE taxes.

Its $5.15 over here so you'll get like $40 if you work at hours.....with taxes its like $35ish....Work More HOURS Lemmings
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Yes because that just killed the DS. What an even better version? That's terrible...God forbid a company improve their product when it becomes economically feasable...That's just ripping people off even though the version they bought will still continue to work with all upcoming games...:|

This is beyond silly. This kind of stuff happens all the time. Ipods are one of the most popular electronic devices ever and they make new ones almost every year.Does it suck? Yes....Especially if you just bought one...But nobody's forcing you to buy it and your old Ipod will continue to play your music...

You aren't forced to buy the new 360 and your games will continue to work. MS doesn't owe anybody anymore than that.

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WHAT DID THE NEW DS HAVE THAT THE OLD ONE DIDN"T?
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#40 jxditu
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lol if anyone has been owned in this thread it would be the cows. think about it, a new 360 with a bigger harddrive than both modle ps3, still costs less than both ps3, and has hdmi. while i dont know if this rumor is true, i dont think it would be a bad thing if it was. no one is forcing anyone to buy it. and you dont need it to play xbox 360 games.
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#41 Mystikef
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I don't understand how improving a great system is a bad thing for anyone?

Every product on the planet gets improved.  The two Xbox 360s I own will be just as fun as they ever were and I still got exactly what I expected when I bought them...  except now I'll be able to upfgrade the HDD.  That's sweet in my book.  If there are enough upgrades that I want...  I'll buy a new 360.

I buy a new car every couple years and no matter what model I buy it gets upgraded in a year...  and my car is a hell of lot more expensive than my 360.

Some of you are so mixed up in this world.  This is good news for all.  It's just that it is better news for those that don't have a 360 yet.  Expect a price drop on the older model...  which is even better news again.

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#42 MattBrian
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lol if anyone has been owned in this thread it would be the cows. think about it, a new 360 with a bigger harddrive than both modle ps3, still costs less than both ps3, and has hdmi. while i dont know if this rumor is true, i dont think it would be a bad thing if it was. no one is forcing anyone to buy it. and you dont need it to play xbox 360 games.jxditu


$399+$479=$878  and still  no hd-dvd

ps3=$599


you sir self-owned yourself
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#43 mattbbpl
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Yes because that just killed the DS. What an even better version? That's terrible...God forbid a company improve their product when it becomes economically feasable...That's just ripping people off even though the version they bought will still continue to work with all upcoming games...:|

This is beyond silly. This kind of stuff happens all the time. Ipods are one of the most popular electronic devices ever and they make new ones almost every year.Does it suck? Yes....Especially if you just bought one...But nobody's forcing you to buy it and your old Ipod will continue to play your music...

You aren't forced to buy the new 360 and your games will continue to work. MS doesn't owe anybody anymore than that.

heretrix
Agreed. There were at least two versions of the NES even. And how many versions of the PS1 and PS2 were there? Not to mention the PSX. Nor is this kind of thing limited to the console industry, as you stated in your post. This isn't new and in no way are the 360s that were previously purchased going to give any less enjoyment than the purchasers expected them to. They will retain their same functionality and play the same games the new ones do.
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#44 asdasd
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lol if anyone has been owned in this thread it would be the cows. think about it, a new 360 with a bigger harddrive than both modle ps3, still costs less than both ps3, and has hdmi. while i dont know if this rumor is true, i dont think it would be a bad thing if it was. no one is forcing anyone to buy it. and you dont need it to play xbox 360 games.jxditu


How are cows owned? They dont have to buy a brand new console if they want HDMI. It was in the PS3 from the begining. If lemmings want HDMI and they already have a 360, they have to fork over another 500ish dollars.
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#45 MattBrian
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I don't understand how improving a great system is a bad thing for anyone?

Every product on the planet gets improved. The two Xbox 360s I own will be just as fun as they ever were and I still got exactly what I expected when I bought them... except now I'll be able to upfgrade the HDD. That's sweet in my book. If there are enough upgrades that I want... I'll buy a new 360.

I buy a new car every couple years and no matter what model I buy it gets upgraded in a year... and my car is a hell of lot more expensive than my 360.

Some of you are so mixed up in this world. This is good news for all. It's just that it is better news for those that don't have a 360 yet. Expect a price drop on the older model... which is even better news again.

Mystikef


got that spare in case one sets fire huh?:lol:
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#46 AvatarAko
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I don't understand how improving a great system is a bad thing for anyone?

Every product on the planet gets improved. The two Xbox 360s I own will be just as fun as they ever were and I still got exactly what I expected when I bought them... except now I'll be able to upfgrade the HDD. That's sweet in my book. If there are enough upgrades that I want... I'll buy a new 360.

I buy a new car every couple years and no matter what model I buy it gets upgraded in a year... and my car is a hell of lot more expensive than my 360.

Some of you are so mixed up in this world. This is good news for all. It's just that it is better news for those that don't have a 360 yet. Expect a price drop on the older model... which is even better news again.

Mystikef
ACTUALLY don't expect a price drop. Zephyr will be almost $500 so...
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#47 jxditu
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[QUOTE="jxditu"]lol if anyone has been owned in this thread it would be the cows. think about it, a new 360 with a bigger harddrive than both modle ps3, still costs less than both ps3, and has hdmi. while i dont know if this rumor is true, i dont think it would be a bad thing if it was. no one is forcing anyone to buy it. and you dont need it to play xbox 360 games.MattBrian


$399+$479=$878  and still  no hd-dvd

ps3=$599


you sir self-owned yourself

LOL so in order for me to buy this new rumor model i have to pay 400 bucks and then 479, when if this proves to be true i could just goto the store if i wanted to and buy this new one for 479, which in my book is still cheaper than 500 and 600 without tax. hd dvd is not needed to play games. YOU SIR JUST OWNED YOURSELF AND NEED MORE SCHOOLING.
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#48 yuna707
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[QUOTE="Mystikef"]

I don't understand how improving a great system is a bad thing for anyone?

Every product on the planet gets improved. The two Xbox 360s I own will be just as fun as they ever were and I still got exactly what I expected when I bought them... except now I'll be able to upfgrade the HDD. That's sweet in my book. If there are enough upgrades that I want... I'll buy a new 360.

I buy a new car every couple years and no matter what model I buy it gets upgraded in a year... and my car is a hell of lot more expensive than my 360.

Some of you are so mixed up in this world. This is good news for all. It's just that it is better news for those that don't have a 360 yet. Expect a price drop on the older model... which is even better news again.

MattBrian


got that spare in case one sets fire huh?:lol:

Hey hey better than flaming sony batteries *cough* dell...
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#49 Berserker_2
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All of this is rumor now. I understand that rumors often come true, but there is often a few unknowns. There's no ownage until official announcements. Regardless, I would have purchased a 360 on day 1 anyways. I would never have waited for trivial improvements 2 years later.
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#50 heretrix
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Yes because that just killed the DS. What an even better version? That's terrible...God forbid a company improve their product when it becomes economically feasable...That's just ripping people off even though the version they bought will still continue to work with all upcoming games...:|

This is beyond silly. This kind of stuff happens all the time. Ipods are one of the most popular electronic devices ever and they make new ones almost every year.Does it suck? Yes....Especially if you just bought one...But nobody's forcing you to buy it and your old Ipod will continue to play your music...

You aren't forced to buy the new 360 and your games will continue to work. MS doesn't owe anybody anymore than that.

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WHAT DID THE NEW DS HAVE THAT THE OLD ONE DIDN"T?

longer thicker sylus
smaller
lighter
sleeker
longer battery life
Better and brighter screen-4different levels of brightness
power button is different

Just those things.