The Wii has more power than you think

A bunch of mis-informed nonsense written by somebody without even the slightest bit of knowledge about graphics hardware. TEV is not some super-secret hidden weapon brimming with "powah", it's a primitive and precursor to proper pixel shaders. It's extremely limited compared to full programmable hardware in the 360 or PS3's GPU's, or even the Xbox GPU. I'm sure developers have found clever ways to use it to produce neat effects, but that's a far far cry from "you could do everything the 360 does, but different". It's an overclocked GameCube chip...it can only go so far.Teufelhuhn

I find it ironic that you call the original subject mis-informed. Its true that the concept was used pre Geforce3 series but it doesn't make it primitive. And please don't confuse its unique differences from traditional gpu design as a lack of features. TEV is a sophisticated blender not a pixil shader. Bottom line is that it works because its a space and cost efficiant way of performing multi-pass rendering.

Frankly i would take the upcoming XBLA 2D RPG visuals over any Wii game visuals, simply because of the promised stunning 2D art AND the full 720p HD resolution that art will come inobamanian

[QUOTE="Pangster007"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"] riight :| http://wii.ign.com/articles/956/956473p1.html Much of the visuals and audio haven't changed from the two versions, so don't expect much new beyond the widescreen mode.Adrian_Cloud

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]A bunch of mis-informed nonsense written by somebody without even the slightest bit of knowledge about graphics hardware. TEV is not some super-secret hidden weapon brimming with "powah", it's a primitive and precursor to proper pixel shaders. It's extremely limited compared to full programmable hardware in the 360 or PS3's GPU's, or even the Xbox GPU. I'm sure developers have found clever ways to use it to produce neat effects, but that's a far far cry from "you could do everything the 360 does, but different". It's an overclocked GameCube chip...it can only go so far.DaBrainz

I find it ironic that you call the original subject mis-informed. Its true that the concept was used pre Geforce3 series but it doesn't make it primitive. And please don't confuse its unique differences from traditional gpu design as a lack of features. TEV is a sophisticated blender not a pixil shader. Bottom line is that it works because its a space and cost efficiant way of performing multi-pass rendering.

Wii is GC but not GC 1.5 like some say but actually GC 1.0. Mario Galaxy could have been done on Xbox1-GC and that the best looking game on Wii which came out longggg ago plus ZERO game that looks at least on Mario Galaxy level are on the Wii horizon.Syferonik

[QUOTE="DaBrainz"]

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]A bunch of mis-informed nonsense written by somebody without even the slightest bit of knowledge about graphics hardware. TEV is not some super-secret hidden weapon brimming with "powah", it's a primitive and precursor to proper pixel shaders. It's extremely limited compared to full programmable hardware in the 360 or PS3's GPU's, or even the Xbox GPU. I'm sure developers have found clever ways to use it to produce neat effects, but that's a far far cry from "you could do everything the 360 does, but different". It's an overclocked GameCube chip...it can only go so far.Teufelhuhn

I find it ironic that you call the original subject mis-informed. Its true that the concept was used pre Geforce3 series but it doesn't make it primitive. And please don't confuse its unique differences from traditional gpu design as a lack of features. TEV is a sophisticated blender not a pixil shader. Bottom line is that it works because its a space and cost efficiant way of performing multi-pass rendering.

Your comparing the wii to last gen the ENTIRE time ... just because it isnt last gen doesnt mean its not this gen buddy. Compare it to the PS3 and 360 and you will see that it doesn't fit in either. So instead lets call it: "Some other generation we never labeled"ColdfireTrilogy

Your comparing the wii to last gen the ENTIRE time ... just because it isnt last gen doesnt mean its not this gen buddy. Compare it to the PS3 and 360 and you will see that it doesn't fit in either. So instead lets call it: "Some other generation we never labeled"ColdfireTrilogy

The dreamcast was in limboland and it was much more of a step up than the wii is.

I don't see why people are arguing over this. The wii is cheap, old technology fitted with motion sensing after 2 gens of being behind Sony. That was nintendo's strategy and it worked extremely well.

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="DaBrainz"]

I find it ironic that you call the original subject mis-informed. Its true that the concept was used pre Geforce3 series but it doesn't make it primitive. And please don't confuse its unique differences from traditional gpu design as a lack of features. TEV is a sophisticated blender not a pixil shader. Bottom line is that it works because its a space and cost efficiant way of performing multi-pass rendering.

GundamGuy0

How many have you? There is nothing preventing someone who hasn't developed games from being knowledgable.

Worst argument ever.

Is it 2006 or am I lost? Seriously, trying to tell us the wii is powerful is a waste of time especially on SW where people don't listen to logic. The Wii is weak, deal with it. What I have trouble understanding is how people think the wii is going to pump out graphics that are drastically better than last gen? The best looking wii game won't look much better than the best looking xbox game if even that. Don't delude yourselves people, nobody tried to hide that the wii is weak, why are you dwelling on it?

Just out of curiousity though, why do people act like the xbox was so much more powerful than the gamecube? From what I've seen and heard, the xbox was a little more powerful but not drastically and from what the best games have shown, that seems to be true.

[QUOTE="SoraX64"]

You guys can say what you want, but with all the shovelware it is obvious that developers are lazy, thus the reason why the Wii isn't being used properly.

And if you say that you don't think the Conduit looks at all like a 360 game, you probably haven't seen it in person. :roll:

JabbaDaHutt30

The Conduit doesn't look anything like a recent, great-looking Xbox360 IP. It looks similar in terms of graphics quality to Half-Life 2 (without the episodes), which was released at the end of 2004.

That article and video are laughable. Until I see some graphically groundbreaking game on the Wii I cannot believe it has any potential to produce good looking games.PS2_ROCKS

WTF???

WTFH??

To put it bluntly, the Wii has weak hardware. Anyone saying otherwise is delusional.

Puckhog04

what he said. seriously is this a joke thread? i love the wii, but man the graphics are terrible

[QUOTE="Master-Thief-09"]When Nintendo makes the Wii Zelda game people will shut their mouths.flazzle

I guess that means it won't be jaw dropping...

Is it 2006 or am I lost? Seriously, trying to tell us the wii is powerful is a waste of time especially on SW where people don't listen to logic. The Wii is weak, deal with it. What I have trouble understanding is how people think the wii is going to pump out graphics that are drastically better than last gen? The best looking wii game won't look much better than the best looking xbox game if even that. Don't delude yourselves people, nobody tried to hide that the wii is weak, why are you dwelling on it?

Just out of curiousity though, why do people act like the xbox was so much more powerful than the gamecube? From what I've seen and heard, the xbox was a little more powerful but not drastically and from what the best games have shown, that seems to be true.

ActicEdge

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Is it 2006 or am I lost? Seriously, trying to tell us the wii is powerful is a waste of time especially on SW where people don't listen to logic. The Wii is weak, deal with it. What I have trouble understanding is how people think the wii is going to pump out graphics that are drastically better than last gen? The best looking wii game won't look much better than the best looking xbox game if even that. Don't delude yourselves people, nobody tried to hide that the wii is weak, why are you dwelling on it?

Just out of curiousity though, why do people act like the xbox was so much more powerful than the gamecube? From what I've seen and heard, the xbox was a little more powerful but not drastically and from what the best games have shown, that seems to be true.

cheese7monkey

Well like I said, from all the highest praised Xbox and Gamecube games, I don't see this huge difference honestly. Metroid Prime 2 looks about as good as Halo 2. But any way, I have read that article before, several times, it doesn't do anything for us until we see more results, when that happens, I'll more than happily concede. The fact is though, not many if any wii games make me say "This couldn't be done last gen". That doesn't bother me frankly but we are in a thread that says the wii is powerful and it really isn't.

Then why aren't major third party titles like Dead Rising 2 on the Wii? It started production after the PS3 and Wii came out and is coming to the PS3.foxhound_fox

because capcom hasn't uncovered teh hidden powa

[QUOTE="flazzle"]

I have to believe we would see a game that compares to 360 by now , and since we really haven't, i think its just a fanatasy.

We have the developers of The Conduit passionatly wanting to push the Wii to its limits, so I think the system kind of peaks there. IMO.

And even if it did somehow get the same graphics. What would the framerate be? It's not a powerhouse system and no game has proven otherwise.

DaBrainz

If anything I think people overrate the 360's graphics. They really aren't much better than the Wii's.

[QUOTE="Master-Thief-09"]When Nintendo makes the Wii Zelda game people will shut their mouths.flazzle

I guess that means it won't be jaw dropping...

well I'm going to tell you what I said to PS3 owners about two years ago when they said how the ps3 is capable of much more. It's potential doesnt mean jack unless it is realised othewise gamers will never experience the potential it just happens to be their metaphorically gathering dust.Serraph105

the only difference: ps3 delivered with kz2...

Wii still barely gets any multiplats because of ultra-inferior hardware. Unless it gets a chop 'till you drop or on rails version of PS360 games that is...

If anything I think people overrate the 360's graphics. They really aren't much better than the Wii's.

MasterC5

LOL :lol:

This is quote worthy.

[QUOTE="MasterC5"]

If anything I think people overrate the 360's graphics. They really aren't much better than the Wii's.

glez13

LOL :lol:

This is quote worthy.

This is truly the worst of the sheep.

It's not as if the fact that the wii is only slightly more powerful than an xbox is some sort of travesty. It's okay that the wii haslast gen graphics. They do their job. The problem with the wii is it's library.

The dreamcast has better graphics than the wii.Soulja_West

This is truly the worst of the sheep.

It's not as if the fact that the wii is only slightly more powerful than an xbox is some sort of travesty. It's okay that the wii haslast gen graphics. They do their job. The problem with the wii is it's library.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

This is truly the worst of the sheep.

It's not as if the fact that the wii is only slightly more powerful than an xbox is some sort of travesty. It's okay that the wii haslast gen graphics. They do their job. The problem with the wii is it's library.

Soulja_West

how bout both?

actually let's just end this by saying the Wii just sucks in general.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

This is truly the worst of the sheep.

It's not as if the fact that the wii is only slightly more powerful than an xbox is some sort of travesty. It's okay that the wii haslast gen graphics. They do their job. The problem with the wii is it's library.

Soulja_West

Are you unable to play last gen games anymore or something?

The wii itself can produce visually appealing graphics. Of course, some of its games look terrible - but thats the fault of the developers.

This is truly the worst of the sheep.

It's not as if the fact that the wii is only slightly more powerful than an xbox is some sort of travesty. It's okay that the wii haslast gen graphics. They do their job. The problem with the wii is it's library.

how bout both?

actually let's just end this by saying the Wii just sucks in general.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"][QUOTE="Soulja_West"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

This is truly the worst of the sheep.

Are you unable to play last gen games anymore or something?

The wii itself can produce visually appealing graphics. Of course, some of its games look terrible - but thats the fault of the developers.

Soulja_West

Very true. But thats the problem with the wii library, not the wii graphics. Wii can do more (not really more than an xbox though, it seems), but developers don't really try on the system.

Are you unable to play last gen games anymore or something?

The wii itself can produce visually appealing graphics. Of course, some of its games look terrible - but thats the fault of the developers.

The dreamcast has better graphics than the wii.Soulja_West

And there ya go people, i gots myself a new sig

Thanks Soulja_Boy ;)

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