Santa Monica dev is mad at the press

I'm more offended that a dev wants more than ten dollars an hour to walk....

Same exact issue on both Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas. As soon as the save file crosses a certain size: slideshow + frequent bugs/crashes ahoy!

I remember reading it was due to how the engine writes the save files. If I remember correctly (I may be wrong, it's been a few years) the engine didn't do a simple overwrite of the previous save, it added new info to the existing one. Makes somewhat sense considering the amount of decisions/flags it has to save in those games, but since it was badly optimized for the consoles (especially the PS3) it ended up causing several side effects (negative ones at that).

Really hoping Bethesda either ditch that engine or do a proper upgrade (also hoping it's why they took so long to say anything about Fallout and TES since the last ones).

You really shouldn't throw hissy fits on twitter...period.

While I understand that people can get pissed about this kind of stuff, making it public is unprofessional. Not to mention it can cost him his job if he ends up going one step too far.

Here's an idea, just make a better game. If they can't handle criticism any more then I think it's time to hang it up and find another career. If they stay in the game, hopefully they don't burn all their bridges. Also it's not just the press, ordinary gamers and their consumers are very vocal on how horrible their game really is. What are they going to do, be mad at their consumers too?

@Desmonic: It was only an issue on PS3 due to how PS3 splits its RAM. It won't be an issue on PS4 or Xbox One due to their large pool of unified RAM.

I actually am really enjoying The Order but believe that it certainly deserves a score of a 5 or 6. I bought it 1) because I had a $50 Best Buy gift card lying around and 2) because exclusives are the only reason I own consoles. I went in with low expectations but for what it is it's not bad. The graphics are stunning and the story is pretty good. It's a great interactive movie, which is what i expected it to be. I like the gameplay, but there's far too little of it. I've played it for a few hours over the weekend and am already over 50% done (trophy-wise). Also, there's no multiplayer. It's a great weekend rental but you can't possibly expect any reasonable reviewer to give the game an 8 or above when you're charging $60 for a less than 10 hour interactive movie. Again, I like it but totally agree with every review.

@charizard1605: Still doesn't explain all the damn bugs even on PC :P They should upgrade the damn engine anyway! Gotta make use of all that current gen powah! :P

But yeah, the PS3 did not like that engine at all. Such a shame. I somehow managed to finish both Fallout's there though lol I remember Broken Steel being quite literally a 5-6 fps slideshow every 10 minutes or so XD

They could actually take the stuff to heart and improve on the faults in a sequel.

Or they can rant on Twitter, whatever

@Desmonic: Lol, I love Bethesda games man. I love them in spite of the glitches.

I gather they will have upgraded their engine for the new consoles though.

Well, that happens to a lot of games. Take that shit in, deal with it, and improve upon (hopefully) the next product.

If anything, this game will benefit because of the press it's getting.

Its tough when people criticize your work, but I I bet he wouldn't of minded praise.

@TheGuardian03: Well, two things.

A) yours sounds to be an isolated case, most people did not encounter these problems until a few dozen hours;

B) we can all agree that the gaming media was a lot more lenient last generation, and is only now growing a pair of balls, so if these issues apply to the next Bethesda game, you bet your ass they'll be called out on them. Just look at how Unity was mauled for proof.

Don't like the way the guy is acting. I hope he's able to accept the criticism of the game in the future.

LOL well I hope santa monicas next game isn't as garbage as their last or his feelings will be even more hurt

@charizard1605: Yeah, they are one of those few studios that can get away with such broken games! Dat fun factor, yo!

If you mean people might buy to try it out due to negative press, then one'd probably buy it used or rent it.

His comments are very juvenile and unprofessional.

Yeah guys, dont buy adds or send them games if they give you a bad review! ...thanks for reaffirming suspicions about bought review scores.

Skyrim(PS3) has NEVER frozen on me. I have over 145 hours and 14MB+ save file. When is this freezing and game crashing supposed to happen? This is just a myth that was spread by xbox fanboys. Nothing more.

"How dare you give games low scores! >:("

What a pussy.

@deadline-zero0: In my case, I am SharePlaying it. A short game with little to no twitch reaction demands, this game is perfect for SharePlay.

Honestly, considering the decreased IQ via SP, i'd say renting is better if you want to experience the full graphical quality.

But not everyone has access to a renting system. But if all you want is to play it, yeah, no problem.

Welp, time to stop doing business with Santa Monica

hahaha i love this. Your game is more linear than CoD.

Snap,But to be fair we where probably the same during Basic, i thought i was invincible, ultimate soldier type, that soon changed when i found myself on the receiving end of some flying lead in NI, Amazing how one round whizzing past your head can change your whole perspective on how much of an 'ultimate soldier' you actually are

not scared to admit i bloody shit myself and the brick wall in front of me became my new best Bud.

I see the point you are making though, it' easy for someone who isn't in the same position to say 'i wouldn't act like that' or 'i would act like this'.

thats why i have always said, Walk the walk THEN talk the talk.

the bloke did make himself look like a bit of a plonker though But hey, I LOVE the gaming industry, More trolls than Vladimir Putin,lol

Sometimes it's good to vent on the internet. It's like the Seahawks losing in the most shameful and illogical way. It was a fun try so suck it up and come back next year for a fight.

Twitter has to be one of the dumbest things to catch on. The more and more we advance the less and less I care to participate in the direction these designers/developers are pushing things. Who gives a **** what 1 guy out of a team of 100's of people has to say about shitty reviews of a game. Twitter losers that's who. Like **** there's even tv shows based around the pound key, and the local fucking news is doing that whole trending on twitter thing. Well I guess you couldn't call it a news show anyhow. It's not like the shit they peddled was actually informative to begin with.

He actually has a point, especially considering these same trolls give CoDs 8s year after year.

The lowest score is a 20 from the same guy who gave sunset overdrive a perfect 10.

Man people love to do this shit in public nowadays huh?

I mean more power to them, but it's probably a better idea to make a scene when you are anonymous. If its your thing though (Angry Joe, these guys apparently) I guess that's alright too. :P

Whenever I feel relatively pissed off about something, I know for damn sure I don't yell about it anywhere but to myself in a secluded room or something. Bad things tend to happen when you project malice like that even in the smallest spheres of influence. Of course some geniuses tend to do it on the biggest freaking sphere in the world...

What a cry baby.

LOL brother. I was in my 30s in Basic, and had at least run from gunshots in my neighborhood albeit I wasn't the target of the shooter. It still taught me a bit about what you said: Walk it, then Talk it; or better yet still don't talk it.

Like char and I have gotten to, the bit about ads and free review copies is a massive foot in mouth moment. Either he is letting the gaming public know they hope for leniency in reviews or he thinks that is enough to flat out buy them.

Maybe they should have put a little more effort into the gameplay then?

I'm just glad review outlets are calling it as it is, rather than sucking at the teat of the developers.

I never go by reviews on games anymore. If it's a game that even slightly interest me on Consoles, I'll rent it.

Can't really go wrong with 4 bucks for 5 days. Only critic I trust is myself at this point.

Because accepting and learning from criticism doesn't exist.

It takes a bigger man to admit a mistake and endeavour to do it better next time.

Yup. Funny how many people say they don't care what others think about them in regards to the criticism. Only way to really not care is be detached from the praise as well..

You knew this game was a failure from the start. The Order would have been a decent ps vita game. Whomever made the decision to turn this into a console game made a huge mistake. Sony just put Ready At Dawn in a no win situation. They should be mad at themselves and not the media.

hard work doesn't mean good results. I'm sure everyone at RAD worked their asses off for 5 years on it, but the product itself obviously didn't turn out good. If your boss invested millions into a project you were on and you busted your ass but the end result was poor, I'm sure your boss would be mad and you'd be lucky to not get fired

I respect what RAD is trying to do.

Gamers need more exercise and the Order is basically a digital personal trainer for gamers.

You walk and walk for $10 an hour. Most trainers I know charge $20 or more. Good deal and you get in the habit of exercise before you are ready to embark in the real world.

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The Order is a shame. On to the next big game in SW!

le wowzers.

Guys, leave Santa Monica Studios and RAD alone!

Stop it guys!

Leave Dean Rymer alone!

Well that is telling. Sunset is one of the most fun games I played last year but the 8 it received was spot on imo. So remove 20 points and give it to the Odor

My buddy from the Army is from Seattle and he still cant accept it. He says there was pass interference on the play. Poor guy, he's blinded by the blood shooting out of his broken heart. As a NY Giants fan I would say all credit to the winners, but their fans still call our wins over them "flukes" so I say they were "given" this year's Bowl by Pete Caroll, the Offensive Coordinator and Wilson. They didn't stop the best option the Seahawks had.

You're a cow, you guys hype terrible games...of course he does.

looks like he deleted his Tweets in shame

Pass interference. lol.

Just like in the case of The Order, there's no need to justify or spin it. The actuality is so anticlimactic and lame there's no reason. It's the Michael Richards of football plays, or videogames, or movies.

I don't agree with all he said, but there's a line between hate and valid, constructive criticism, and some of the reviews I've seen don't appear to understand or abide the distinction. The Order has been met with an exceptional degree of contempt and negative outpouring (some which I would label as hate) which I would argue easily extends far past any detriments found within the game itself, so let's not try to pretend that it hasn't been and view this as something that is being lamented within its own scope.

From what I've seen, 1886 is not only being derided for being poorly made, it has unleashed a firestorm and is being held up as a shining example to try to discredit a whole genre of games. Had I spent a lot of my time working hard on something to be met with such reception, seemingly unwarranted given so many other cinematic games have come before it, I'd more than likely be a bit miffed as well.

@Jankarcop: We also have some of the best game every generation. When I let a chubby computer nerd, a transvestite or a femanazi tell me what games to buy I'll let you know.

@MirkoS77: I think the over all tone isn't do to the game itself but rather the general state of the industry as a whole. Far too many, remasters and new ips that fall way short of expectations, as well as broken and unfinished games have paved the way for everyone to be sick of tittles that aren't attempting to push past the tried and tested models that are now getting extremely repetitive, as writing in games has yet to really find it's footing beyond a few tittles like the last of us, to make up for the stale boring game play. And graphics now can only get you so far with the current state of their not so stellar hardware.

I expect more reviews like this, at least until companies start realizing that with this jump in hardware people were expecting actual improvements to other systems beyond graphics previously only available on pc.

If you can't tell yourself what games to buy then who will?!

Reviewers should buy their own games,and no review for an online game should come out before the game is out period,playing on a close environment is not the same either yet almost all do.

Games have no value what so ever to them and slamming them is quite easy even for the smallest reason.

Yeah because Beyond 2 souls actually deserved a higher score than TLOU man...

Journalist have their own agendas and their own personal bias,like any other person they may not like a game for a personal reason and that should not be in a review,reviewers have been tainted long time ago,specially after last gen.

Now i am not saying the game is a 8 but yeah i can understand the what he feels i play the game and is not bad at all,it is a little short not 5 hours like stated online,and has to many QTE but from what i remember last gen there was a game here which scored a 10 and was full of those and make you install part of the game several times can you guess which one was it,i also believe it didn't deserve a 10 and i am a fan of that consoles.