Santa Monica dev is mad at the press

Right, and that's my point. There's a tremendous venting presently occurring which, as the Order has unfortunately been that particular straw that's broken the camel's back and unleashed a torrent of pent up frustration, is currently the scapegoat for an entirely different issue. Certainly a game that's contributed to this negative sentiment towards the proliferation of cinematics in gaming, but is nonetheless not deserving of the entire burden people feel towards any direction or state that the industry is headed in.

If I'd worked on the game I wouldn't understand why it has all of a sudden become so liable and representative of the faults and negative sentiments of so many.

Your last place at gs and mc last gen.

I find it interesting that putting a lot of effort into something somehow demands praise according to this person. As if no matter how bad something might really be, so long as they worked hard at it, they deserve all the praise people can muster. Is this what our industry has come to?

Like, I'm sure Kirk Cameron and crew feel like the effort they put into "Saving Christmas" was a huge outpouring of passion and talent... but that doesn't make it a good movie.

@Jankarcop: lol no it wasn't. The PS3 won more GotY then any platform period. So wtf are you talking about?

That is definitely true. Online environments for games are quite different once you move them away from the closed environment that reviewers generally partake in.

What importance does GOTY awards carry?

@foxhound_fox: More then any other bullshit award. Since any exclusive ported to the PS4 or vita is now no longer considered exclusive.

Who mentioned GOTYs? PS3 was last place in aaa/aa games.

I guess people these days can't accept criticism.

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people werent hyped for this, I kept saying for a year that this game looked like a 6/10

um they were

Man, to still be so salty over TLOU. Move on, man. Enjoy the game and get on with life. :P

last time I checked the "Official" Hype from GS was 7

Is 7 hype?

really... is 7 hype?

Most people were skeptical about this game for a long time, and there were multiple articles since the summer pointing out alot of negatives about the game.

People werent hyped for. There might have been people praising the graphics, thats different tho. Just like Ryse, people still bring up Ryse graphics.

GS not only website and I was talking in a general sense.

Social Media, adv, youtube vids (it has more views than FF15) indicates that many were psyched for this game and thought it would yield a high score. Regardless I don't even have to look, but I bet the game is in at least top 5 for pre-orders and topped sales charts somewhere. The power of hype.

@Jankarcop: Last in AAA and AA? Let's see the proof.

Cautious optimism is still a form of hype.

Everyone knew there was almost no chance of this title being anything but a mediocre slog, and hype was certainly not as big as other titles by the release. But I think deep down, people still secretly hoped it would surprise them and be the must have game for the PS4.

Which is why so many people talked about the game despite a wide selection of lousy previews and game demos. Even if part of it comes from the advertising budget, there was some clear buzz centered around the game.

And after all, it looks good graphically, and the core premise of the story is strong. It was just unfortunate that it turned out to be the trite mess of a game we all expected.

well you give out your games to get reviews so we as consumers don't get shafted with a 60$ game thats an interactive movie on average of 5 hrs long with no online in 2015 ... then you try to lie and say its a 8-10 hr game which is a lie ... ain't no one in there right minds going to take a single word these devs say as truth now

Looks like Santa Monica's next game is also "cinematic experience"

Well said sir. I felt so bad for him when I spoke to him after the game. I kept trying to tell him within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage you are allowed to bump and run a receiver. The line was the 1 yard line!! It was a clean read and react by the DB. Just like the Odor, LOL. It was a clean this game missed the mark I guess.

Yeah it was a myth, that's why DLCs were delayed for PS3 and released years later. You just got lucky with the pattern (enter this house, do this quest, talk to that person, go there etc). A lot of people were having issues and Bathesda was working on big patches for PS3 before releasing DLCs on it.

Rightfully so.

I didnt see none of that to be honest. On youtube trailers and gameplay videos of the game all had negative comments... but thats the youtube community in general tho...

If you are gonna make a claim that it was atleast top 5 in pre-orders and are willing to "bet", I would suggest to umm... yeah.. look into it instead of saying you arent gonna look into it but still say random states as facts you are willing to backup. IDK, I dont have any knowledge on it, so I it would have been nice if you could have informed me.

And hypothetically, lets say it did rank high in pre-orders.... umm... what are we comparing it to? there isnt anything else thats releasing or coming out in the same window.

A kinect game could rank high in pre-orders and even be the number one pre-order game for that if there is nothing else coming out

www.metacritic.com www.gamespot.com , reviews

@cainetao11:

I'm a Seahawks guy myself, but I'm not in denial. Rulebook is very clear:

Article 3 Permissible Acts by both teams while the ball is in the air. Acts that are permissible by a player include, but are not limited to:

(a) Incidental contact by an opponent’s hands, arms, or body when both players are competing for the ball, or neither player is looking for the ball. If there is any question whether contact is incidental, the ruling shall be no interference.

(e) Contact by a player who has gained position on an opponent in an attempt to catch the ball.

Note 1: When the ball is in the air, eligible offensive and defensive receivers have the same right to the path of the ball and are subject to the same restrictions.

Note 2: Acts that do not occur more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage are not pass interference, but could be

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Your buddy is like desperate cows trying to blame reviewers for pass interference. "I don't let idiots tell me what to play!" "The game is way better than *insert game x* that got a free pass. **** McShea!"

Allegedly the game wasn't hyped, but it has been awhile since I've seen so much butthurt on SW and GAF.

@Jankarcop: LoL really? Post a link to spread sheet showing it has the least AA and AAA titles last gen.

The issues with Skyrim were apparent after extended playthroughs. I believe the problem was simply reviewers playing it through on PC and/or 360, and then playing a smidgen of the PS3 version and expecting it to be similar. I mean, do we really expect reviewers to play through an entire game multiple times over (especially huge games) on multiple platforms?

you're right Desmoronic. i agree with you.

He's obviously right. Gamespot is (and has primarily been) about advertizing games for years.

This guy is just saying what the top honchos at gaming studios are thinking.

He does have a point though, review copies should not be free, reviewers if they do get a copy it should be a digital copy that expires after 7 days like a rental.

And ads should never ever be put on by people before a review is put out, that is called corruption. In fact they should only put up a short play video with no review if a game company has paid them.

I don't agree with the reviews for the order, I think the game was already doomed before it was released.

The real problem is, we live in such a negative world now, and instead of focusing on what the game aims for and what genre it's in, it's all combed with the same brush, every reviewer I seem to know always seems to lead with negatives and it always out ways the good.

I am not going to say the order is the greatest game there is, but what it does do, is give you an experience that a lot of games don't and what gameplay there is, it is solid and works well in my eyes, the story holds up and is good, games like this and every game for that matter should be reviewed on the basis of what genre it is in, and not compared to every game, which most games are nowadays.

His reaction was not professional but dayum gamers reaction to his tweets is really what disgust me. -__- Not sure why this is even thread worthy.

The problem with gaming is that even a failure can result from doing a shit-ton right even though the product went wrong, while other games can go right even though a shit-ton is done wrong. The game may suck, but all the artists, programmers, voice actors, designers, etc did some damn cool things for the game so I don't really see the tweet as a "oh, poor me, my game is being bashed" but a guy, in part, trying to turn against critics and maybe convince some of the audience so that the game might sell more and keep the company afloat, and also just venting frustrations.

And this is the last place where people should be condescending to someone ranting, this entire board is just everyone ranting. And lol to people comparing themselves trying to get their writings published to the development and released of an AAA level game. Really, just stop.

@Gue1 said:

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It appears that he drank HHG's kool-aid. Being critical is hate, racism, xenophobia, misogyny.

The massive amount of previews that started indicating it would be shit should have clued him in. Guess not.

@uninspiredcup said:

@tymeservesfate said:

@Desmonic said:

Hmm. I missed the first tweet (somehow lol).

That slight hint of connection between paying ads, sending review copies and expecting good scores....not great news indeed....

you're right Desmoronic. i agree with you.

He's obviously right. Gamespot is (and has primarily been) about advertizing games for years.

ok...i agreed with him. sooo...why are you sending me the proof exactly? he's still a moron but even a broken clock is right twice a day lol.

Nothing stated here is fact just opinions but ok sure. I don't see many people on this forum documenting their hypothesis or citing credible sources. So yeah don't get all technical on me cause this forum is the LAST place to do it nothing, but a hub of rumors and he say she say. Regardless, the language I used indicates I was guessing anyway but I digress:

http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2015/02/23/uk-sales-chart-order-1886-claims-first-place-evolve-drops-third/

took less than a second to google. The game was popular end of story even gamespot has an article predicting it to have high sales. If I you want me to compare it, you would have to compare it to new released IPs, but nobody got time for that.

Yep pretty much.

The game was no Halo 2, but after a slew up flops ppl were expecting this game to deliver and were interested.

Apparently SW has its own definition for hype and if they do quite frankly that is stupid.

Hype to me is when advertisers convince consumers that they must absolutely have xyz product. Well mission accomplished so far....honestly I don't think The Order will sell much, but we'll see. It topped the charts so far and most likely we'll be seeing DLC for the game soon if it really is just a 5hr game. Wait do you want me to post a citation for that opinion too lulz?

These dimwit developers have no clue what we want as gamers. They think they can just slap together a game with fancy graphics and just throw in some generic gameplay on top and we'll be satisfied. 9/10 everywhere. Nope, that's not how it works. Also I blame Sony for this line of thinking as well. It's no wonder their first party exclusive line up is total trash. They have the same frame of mind that all we want are movie games with QTEs

Yes. Really.

@Jankarcop: So basically you won't post any facts just random babble. Show a sheet the PS3 was in last place on AA and AAA games or stfu.

@tymeservesfate said:

@uninspiredcup said:

@tymeservesfate said:

@Desmonic said:

Hmm. I missed the first tweet (somehow lol).

That slight hint of connection between paying ads, sending review copies and expecting good scores....not great news indeed....

you're right Desmoronic. i agree with you.

He's obviously right. Gamespot is (and has primarily been) about advertizing games for years.

ok...i agreed with him. sooo...why are you sending me the proof exactly? he's still a moron but even a broken clock is right twice a day lol.

Why are you talking to me like your Alicia Silverstone in Clueless?

Mysteries.

I can't find the GS one anymore, so I guess you lucked out for GS. But the review section is right there, scroll up.

No one can beat PC.

@Jankarcop: It has a higher number of good exclusives then the 360. You don't even show the Wii. And you said total number of AA/AAA games which it doesn't show. Good job on owning yourself.

You said it was in Last place in total AA and AAA games. You are wrong. Especially since several PS3 quality exclusives are now on PS4 and vita.

To me you're either first place or last place. Distant second? lol who cares....

@Jankarcop: bahaha nice spin troll.

The problem is that strategy actually does work for alot of games. Look at the cut and paste job that Call of Duty became last gen, yet for most of the gen Call of Duty scored not only above 7's, but actually mostly 8's and 9's for the same rehashed trash.

QTE's when used properly are no big deal, especially if it's just for the occasional melee combat, although they can be quite annoying when overused or they cause insta-death (i'm thinking of some of the worst one's in Resident Evil). The "movie games" like Heavy Rain or Until Dawn are a different thing entirely, think of them more like Telltale games. I actually have grown to quite enjoy those despite the lack of true "gameplay", but games like that are all about the story and characters and just how well things "flow" - rather than than any gameplay to worry about.

I haven't played The Order, but from all I have seen of it, and the reviews - it sounds like it's main problem is it is too short and too linear for a game without online game-play. It is basically a linear corridor shooter you would expect for a typical online shooter, but without the online or co-op modes. Literally every single preview and gameplay video I saw of this game is either a cinematic walking sequence - or in some tight space playing wack-a-mole by shooting enemies that pop in and out of cover. That was my main concern even before the "previews" starting getting negative, and it turned out my concern was exactly what went wrong with the game. The problem isn't that they made a "cinematic" game, it's that the non-cinematic parts were probably too boring or so confining that they weren't as fun as they should have been.