Pachter Believes The Nintendo NX Will Cost Around $299

That was not even Modern Warfare, but Modern Warfare 2. At least first one changed the formula and gave us new setting, MWF 2 was a reskin. Both UC2 and MWF2 came out in 2009. They said UC2 isn't original and no game with lack of originality will ever get score above 9.3 (which UC2 got) and few months later...

• Modern Warfare 2... 9.5/10

. And then:

• PS3 Game of the Year... Modern Warfare 2
• Xbox 360 Game of the Year... Modern Warfare 2
• PC Game of the Year... Modern Warfare 2
• Game of the Year... Modern Warfare 2

Funny shit.

I'd sooner take solid predictions from Sean Malstrom (and he can't stand Pachter).

Correction: immature video game fanboys don't seem to like him.

Hmm, dunno about this, perhaps they should have stuck it out with the U until like 2019 and launch a console as powerful or more than Xbox Too & PS5.

This Nintendo plan gonna be interesting on how it all shakes out, we shall see.

Unless they are stealth launching the console next month, it's going to be at least 3 years between PS4/XB1 and the NX. I think a holiday 2016 launch for NX might even be a stretch, but we'll see.

In either case, if the NX is slated as an "equal" to PS4/XB1 - it's in big trouble again. It needs to be a next gen machine to have any long term chance. Especially if the PS4/XB1 successors might be coming in 2018. That means NX would be in very much the same position as Wii-U... i.e. too little, too late and soon to be made obsolete. If that's the best they can do, it might be better to wait until 2017 - whatever the price point is, $299, $349, $399 - it needs to be a "next gen" machine, and it better have a lineup of games already in the pipeline. Wii-U lacked in all regards.

What about when Nintendo gave you a $15.00 "You've Got Money" included with the GCN. Are you calculating that into your "banking" idea?

He doesn't know anything about anything. Not about hardware, not about economics, nothing. Talking to him is like trying to explain something to a child. Don't waste your time.

On topic: lulz, Pachter!

As long as they unite their developer studios from Wii U and 3DS teams like they are, Nintendo can pump out a killer console that doesnt even need third party to survive. Nintendo will like always create a console that will make them profit along with designing games that will make them profit. Then with the help of Indie and other developers trying to hide from the oversaturation of games on PC, Nintendo will have a very nice games lineup every year.

If we could buy one game and play it on handheld or home console, that alone will be enough for Nintendo to bank even without third party. The rest will be icing on the cake. Sell me the console for $299 and the handheld for $199 and im sold. Ill buy them both on launch.

People still take Pachter seriously??

Unless the NX has some kind of magic or a truly killer app it's going to fail at $300 USD.

I love Nintendo games, but I'm tired of shelling out for their poor hardware just so I can play those games. Therefore I'm hoping the impending NX failure is enough of a knockout to finally push them into being a third party developer/publisher.

@silversix_: OK because price determine power

If I remember correctly n64 and gc were 199.99 and were more powerful than ps1 2 and Dreamcast.

Cainetao11 believes Pachter is a drag queen at home.

Good luck wishing, it wont ever happen.

http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2013/02/03/pachter-reckons-ps4-can-render-games-at-240-fps/

It seems like that is the sweet spot. 3-$400

Of course it can. They need their next console to be a success, or anything is possible. Hell if their mobile stuff is a success and their console flops, they might lean much more that route (which would be a travesty). I'm hoping their mobile endeavor fails hard, so they aren't even tempted by that nonsense. Unfortunately that is unlikely.

The console I'm mixed about. I would love for them to make a truly great console again, one that dominates the market (not in a fad way as the Wii did, but in a SNES way in that it was the console everyone had to have). But if it doesn't dominate, I wouldn't mind if it just completely failed, to the point where they were forced to look at 3rd party options.

@2Chalupas: Not really, even if their next three consoles failed, Nintendo would still be able to continue on. Nintendo understands the importance of being your own boss and controlling your future, its why they have been in business since the 1800s.

if it come in 2017 it can be 2x the ps4 performance for $300, a $300 PC certainly will

Existing as a company isn't the same thing as investing Billions R&D into a piece of gaming hardware. Their existance is not in doubt whether the NX succeeds or not. Their future in the console business, might be if the NX is a failure. The console business itself, as we know it, is not even assured beyond 1 more gen.

He says a lot of absurd things that I wont post at all.

Im pretty sure we have nothing to fear from NX, if Nintendo can print money off the Wii U, then they can perform bout any miracle. Have no fear mate, NX will print money also.

The perfect NX killer app would be an open world 1080p/60fps Mario game. Super Mario 64 is the only reason I ever bothered wtih the N64. The first true open world Mario game in years would be more then enough to get me to buy another underpowered poorly engineered overpriced Nintendo console

@DarthaPerkinjan: What about an open world type Zelda game? Will be fun to see what they do, they can use it to go after a Mario one next.

Pachter Claims Nintendo NX “Is Doomed” Without Third Party Support

The problem with that is they're already making one on the Wii U. It will probably look alot better on the NX, but one is already in development. Super Mario Galaxy 10+ years ago was the last true open world Mario game

Well that didnt take long.

What about Super Mario Galaxy 2? Although i wouldnt really consider them open world. I cant wait for open world Zelda, me and Epona running freely in an open area is gonna be epic.

$300 is more than enough to overpower the PS4. At $200, the GTX 960 is about 25% more powerful than the PS4. And at $300, the GTX 970 is almost twice as powerful as the PS4.

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The NX is in a catch 22, if they go affordable they might not have power to pick up significant third party support except gaining ports of PS4 and XBO games. If they beef it up to gain an edge they might effect their ability to entice on affordability. If they launch with LoZ as a killer app they stand to have a strong launch, but they also might upset some who might see it as sighting the Wii U and loyal fans who supported it. If they keep LoZ as Wii U only then they might sabotage the NX launch. They'll be walking a PR tightrope for the next year that's for sure.

@tiny_rick: It's not even close to Super Smash Wii U. Ryu looks 10 times better. And his animations, omg, to die for.

"Being your own boss" and operating as a software developer/publisher are not mutually exclusive in the video game business. There are countless examples of extremely successful publishers and developers who do not market their own gaming hardware. If Nintendo reaches a point where their bean counters determine that going third party would net them greater profits, I would think they would go that route. Apparently they're not there yet, but I wouldn't rule it out if the NX performs as poorly as the Wii U.

As well, you've mentioned several times throughout this forum that the Wii U "prints money for Nintendo". Can you provide a source for this claim? And I don't mean that in a troll-y way, I'm genuinely curious to read more about it. Thanks!

@thecouchpotater: Nintendo makes money off every Wii U sold. Then because the games don't cost that much and sell so great, Nintendo makes even more money. Plus thanks to the Wii Us implementation of the NFC reader, Nintwnso banked even more money off Wii U.

Well a guy at the corner selling loose cigarettes is making money off of every cigarette sold; that doesn't mean that the business is "printing money" for him. He could possibly be spending that time doing something else which would net him greater profits (opportunity cost), he's probably not making a whole lot of profit per cigarette, he's probably not selling all that many cigarettes per day, and so on.

That Nintendo "makes money" off of every Wii U sold doesn't tell us a whole lot, mesome. How much profit per machine sold? We know they're not selling many machines, so to "print money" I would think the profit margin on the machine would need to be very high. And the game development doesn't cost much? How much? Do you have any sources of hard information relating to their finances, and specifically their Wii U business?

@thecouchpotater: That I do not, only good faith in my girl Nintendo and the Wii Us ability to print money. It's my word bs yours, it's all we got.

lol Pachter, I am jealous of his job though, he can get spout bs and gets it wrong & not held accountable for it. :P

They both came out like 2 yrs after the PS1 and Dreamcast.

It's not just a matter of console power, third parties are also looking at audiences. Much of the people that buy their games are already on Sony and MS's systems. If Nintendo came out with a more powerful system, that wouldn't be the only consideration third parties would be looking at. I'd argue it wouldn't even be the most important one, in fact.

Nintendo needs some Nintendoes what Sony doesn't marketing. Come out chest beating with superior hardware, a bunch of exclusives (throw in 2 or 3 western focused games in the mix) and good marketing. Show us they're not just that "family friendly company". Have a commercial where Brock Lesnar breaks a Ps4 over his knee or something. There Nintendo, that's a freebie.

Give third parties the old Yakuza stare downs and tell them their games will sell on NX because consumers will know about their almighty processing power :P

The same things that worked in the 4th generation are working for Sony right now. Nintendo just flat out doesn't market well to the PS and Xbox audiences. I don't think Nintendo's some enigma that people won't care about no matter the hardware or games they offer. Not to mention the Ps5 won't be looming over it like the Ps2 was with the Dreamcast, this'll be a mid gen launch.

With GoFlo's 14 nm process tech (licensed from Samsung), current AMD "Carrizo" A10-8700p/FX-8800p SoC's 245 mm^2 chip size could contained 32 CU IGP.

For reference

PS4's chip size is 348 mm^2. GPU is around 212 mm^2 and around 136 mm^2 for non-GPU sections. 8 GB GDDR5-6000 (Sony down-clocks PS4's memory to GDDR5-5500 level) is a known factor. The machine is priced around $350.

XBO's chip size is 365 mm^2. About half of the chip is wasted for 32 MB ESRAM. About 229 mm^2 chip area allocate for GPU and 32 MB ESRAM.

In terms process tech and skipping 20 nm process tech, 14 nm is massive jump from 28 nm.

Straight optical shrink from 28 nm to 14 nm process tech with AMD "Carrizo" A10-8700p/FX-8800p SoC's 245 mm^2 chip. AMD "Carrizo" has 8 CUs.

Each copy-and-paste GPU block has 8 CUs, hence 32 CU.

As you can see, the rumors for NX being similar to near-top-of-the-line PC at around XBO price is possible e.g. 44 CU GPU.

Both AMD and NVIDIA skipped 20 nm TSMC. AMD has access to both GoFlo's 14 nm and TSMC's 16 nm.

In year 2016, Samsung moves towards 10 nm process tech. After 10 nm is 7 nm process tech.

For year 2018, GoFlo or TSMC is estimated to be around 10nm process tech.

AMD is already selling the next PS5 and XBOv2/XB4 idea for year 2018 to Sony and MS. AMD wants to keep Sony and MS has it's committed OEMs i.e. at least 5X perf per watt from current AMD IP.

$299 machine is possible for AMD A10-8700/FX-8800p APU replacement.

Wii U's failure has disappointed AMD and could have offered Nintendo a sweet deal i.e. semi-custom R7-460 (R7-260 replacement ~= XBO's GPU) or R9-470 (78x0/R7-265 replacement ~= PS4's GPU). It's in AMD's interest for NX to be successful.

@ronvalencia: lol why aren't you the hardware tech adviser for Nintendo console? seems to know this stuff. :P

I sometimes feel Ron is an Artificial Intelligence. I can't imagine having a normal conversation with him. He talks in binary code.

@MirkoS77: Power is the only reason. If install base was the reason, why did Mass Effect and Assassins Creed skip the Wii but appear on the Wii U at launch? The Wii had a HUGE install base and at that time the Wii U sold 0 units. If they didn't have a good relationship with Nintendo, why take a chance with the Wii U? The answer is the Wii U's power allowed them to easily make ports of their games to the Wii U. The exact reason they skipped the Wii, despite its large user base. And now that we see 3rd parties leaving the PS3 and Xbox 360 behind, 3rd party support for the Wii U has disappeared. And that is because of its power. 3rd party games like Skylanders or Guitar Hero, games that don't require much horsepower, remain.

@tiny_rick: You're wasting your time with that troll.

$300 sounds nice, I suppose. If you take out the tablet controller, how much better can it be than what we have right now?

Who cares. Nintendo is dead. All they make is shit games and re-hashes no days.

Okay...time will tell.

Aye, but power is just the first check. If the install base doesn't buy enough 3rd party games on a console, they're going to leave.

That's Nintendo's second dilemma. They need some powerful hardware, but they also need to make people want the NX as their one stop shop.

Still could be much faster than PS4,