Official Project Natal Sticky - KEEP IT HERE

You know the drill everybody...keep it here or face teh lockage!

You know the drill everybody...keep it her or face teh lockage!

Teufelhuhn

thank you teuf did you get my message?

Id say this looks more interesting than Sony's who are going after what Nintendo are doing-Pred-Alien-

Id say this looks more interesting than Sony's who are going after what Nintendo are doing-Pred-Alien-

It does look very interesting. But from the history of postings in GS, Lemmings cannot STAND the 'flailing of arms' of motion controls, and have been calling them a gimmick from day one.

It can't be denied that Natal brings flailing to a whole new leveltimes 10.

I have to think MS will really have to focus on the casual to make this a success, which means Minigames, family games, and will most likely attract 'teh shovelware'.

Some publisher should blow everyone's mind with a really creepy horror game.

Natal appeared to be a money making scheme to me. I don't believe for a second that it will work well for gaming. Maybe if they did more actual demonstrations instead of their pre-arranged acted out videos, I would be convinced. When they had the girl jumping around like a freak that just proved to me that its just a gimick. It didnt look accurate at all. It just looked frustrating.

Natal appeared to be a money making scheme to me. I don't believe for a second that it will work well for gaming. Maybe if they did more actual demonstrations instead of their pre-arranged acted out videos, I would be convinced. When they had the girl jumping around like a freak that just proved to me that its just a gimick. It didnt look accurate at all. It just looked frustrating.

Mr_Ditters

[QUOTE="Mr_Ditters"]

Natal appeared to be a money making scheme to me. I don't believe for a second that it will work well for gaming. Maybe if they did more actual demonstrations instead of their pre-arranged acted out videos, I would be convinced. When they had the girl jumping around like a freak that just proved to me that its just a gimick. It didnt look accurate at all. It just looked frustrating.

wayne_kar

Ding! Give this man a gold star. Video games are a business. They exist primarily to generate revenue. Your happiness from the experience is a secondary effect.

[QUOTE="-Pred-Alien-"]Id say this looks more interesting than Sony's who are going after what Nintendo are doingflazzle

It does look very interesting. But from the history of postings in GS, Lemmings cannot STAND the 'flailing of arms' of motion controls, and have been calling them a gimmick from day one.

It can't be denied that Natal brings flailing to a whole new leveltimes 10.

I have to think MS will really have to focus on the casual to make this a success, which means Minigames, family games, and will most likely attract 'teh shovelware'.

Some publisher should blow everyone's mind with a really creepy horror game.

Natal appeared to be a money making scheme to me. I don't believe for a second that it will work well for gaming. Maybe if they did more actual demonstrations instead of their pre-arranged acted out videos, I would be convinced. When they had the girl jumping around like a freak that just proved to me that its just a gimick. It didnt look accurate at all. It just looked frustrating.

Mr_Ditters

I know it sounds like stating the obvious but it's only going to work well if the correct software is there to back it up. Personally, I feel Nintendo has the best understanding of that concept. Natal definitly has potential, but it's not the be-all-end-all with controllers which is what the demo hinted at with the beginning statement.

Plus, how well is the 360 audience going to adopt it? Nintendo was accused of 'abandoning their coreaudience' with the wii remote. Following that line of thinking, MS is did only only abandoned their core audience with natal, it put them in a kitten sack and threw them in the river.

[QUOTE="flazzle"]

[QUOTE="-Pred-Alien-"]Id say this looks more interesting than Sony's who are going after what Nintendo are doingheretrix

It does look very interesting. But from the history of postings in GS, Lemmings cannot STAND the 'flailing of arms' of motion controls, and have been calling them a gimmick from day one.

It can't be denied that Natal brings flailing to a whole new leveltimes 10.

I have to think MS will really have to focus on the casual to make this a success, which means Minigames, family games, and will most likely attract 'teh shovelware'.

Some publisher should blow everyone's mind with a really creepy horror game.

Just using the Lemming logic that has been said countless times agains the Wii Remote.

But seriously, would you actually play a game like Milo? That seems so creepy! But if you put the element of Milo in an adventure like setting, that could be REALLY cool. I just wonder how feasible that could be. I wonder what the developer effort is behind such things as Milo.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="flazzle"]

It does look very interesting. But from the history of postings in GS, Lemmings cannot STAND the 'flailing of arms' of motion controls, and have been calling them a gimmick from day one.

It can't be denied that Natal brings flailing to a whole new leveltimes 10.

I have to think MS will really have to focus on the casual to make this a success, which means Minigames, family games, and will most likely attract 'teh shovelware'.

Some publisher should blow everyone's mind with a really creepy horror game.

flazzle

Just using the Lemming logic that has been said countless times agains the Wii Remote.

But seriously, would you actually play a game like Milo? That seems so creepy! But if you put the element of Milo in an adventure like setting, that could be REALLY cool. I just wonder how feasible that could be. I wonder what the developer effort is behind such things as Milo.

peter molyneux back to making the most extreme promises ever. If anything mylo is a digital furbyAnimal-Mother

[QUOTE="flazzle"]

[QUOTE="-Pred-Alien-"]Id say this looks more interesting than Sony's who are going after what Nintendo are doingheretrix

It does look very interesting. But from the history of postings in GS, Lemmings cannot STAND the 'flailing of arms' of motion controls, and have been calling them a gimmick from day one.

It can't be denied that Natal brings flailing to a whole new leveltimes 10.

I have to think MS will really have to focus on the casual to make this a success, which means Minigames, family games, and will most likely attract 'teh shovelware'.

Some publisher should blow everyone's mind with a really creepy horror game.

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] peter molyneux back to making the most extreme promises ever. If anything mylo is a digital furbysubrosian

I don't have big hopes for that. It looks very much fun on stage, but I wonder how it looks like in real life. With MS's frequent incompetence, I wonder if movement detection will work as well as they showed us.

[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] peter molyneux back to making the most extreme promises ever. If anything mylo is a digital furbyAnimal-Mother

I don't have big hopes for that. It looks very much fun on stage, but I wonder how it looks like in real life. With MS's frequent incompetence, I wonder if movement detection will work as well as they showed us.

mithrixx

I never used an EyeToy on PS2 or PS3. Do you need adequate light? Not to be a gloomy guss, but I really enjoy playing games at nightin a dim lit room.

And there are so many questions yet to be answered: How much does it cost? Will a publisher really invest a good game into such a limited user base?

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="subrosian"] The secret to making Project Natal impressive is to keep Peter Molyneux from telling us what he's making. Just sew his mouth shut, have him make whatever he's going to make, and don't let him talk until three days after it comes out. - Also, Halo Natal - forget Master Chief, forget Spartan, forget ODST, you play as a Grunt, and your goal is just to survive. For the first time ever, unlock achievements for jumping behind your couch and quaking with fear. Pissed your pants? Achievement unlocked. Yelled out something insane while running for dear life? Achievement unlocked. Actually killed something? Wait, you're a grunt - achievement unlocked. subrosian

The impressions from Kotaku have been very postive. I think it will be great for certain games but horrible for others. I will wait for support software to actually pass judgement. I will probably get it just for UI though.

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] peter molyneux back to making the most extreme promises ever. If anything mylo is a digital furbysubrosian

i'm still EXTREMELY skeptical about natal. i think it's too early for it, i don't see how it can work right, i don't see how m$ of ALL companies could make it work everyday like it was shown at e3. but, if it does, nintendo is royally screwed.

. but, if it does, nintendo is royally screwed.mistervengeance

I wouldn't mind casually using it. It's just a nice option to have available.

i'm still EXTREMELY skeptical about natal. i think it's too early for it, i don't see how it can work right, i don't see how m$ of ALL companies could make it work everyday like it was shown at e3. but, if it does, nintendo is royally screwed.

mistervengeance

Totally disagree. If Nintendo taught anybody ANYTHING about the game industry, it's about THE GAMES, not so much the tools. By using your logic, you are conceding controls are more important the games themselves. As well as accessibilty, large consumer base,and affordable development costs.

The PSP can run circles around the DS functionality wise, processor speed, screen quality, and graphics, yet the DS is a runaway success.

For Natal to overtake Wii, its GOING TO HAVE TO GO CASUAL!

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="flazzle"]

It does look very interesting. But from the history of postings in GS, Lemmings cannot STAND the 'flailing of arms' of motion controls, and have been calling them a gimmick from day one.

It can't be denied that Natal brings flailing to a whole new leveltimes 10.

I have to think MS will really have to focus on the casual to make this a success, which means Minigames, family games, and will most likely attract 'teh shovelware'.

Some publisher should blow everyone's mind with a really creepy horror game.

flazzle

Just using the Lemming logic that has been said countless times agains the Wii Remote.

But seriously, would you actually play a game like Milo? That seems so creepy! But if you put the element of Milo in an adventure like setting, that could be REALLY cool. I just wonder how feasible that could be. I wonder what the developer effort is behind such things as Milo.

Check out this article where someone at Kotaku played Burnout Paradise with it.

The project looks ambitious, and it seems like it has some seriously powerful technology behind it. Will it change gaming for ever? I doubt it. The traditional controller is too strongly forged in our minds/society/culture for it to disappear anytime soon. Nonetheless, Natal has a lot of potential for many cool things. Call me interested.IronBass

I think it has a better ring to it. :P

I think Sonys right on this one, you just gotta have a controller with some triggers.

As for the lemming logic, I'd give them a pass on this as this is waay beyond the Wiimote in what it can actually do. Natal can recognize multiple people and facial expressions and the like. There really isn't any comparison beyond the fact that it has motion control capabilities. But unlike the Wiimote it can do so much more.

heretrix

Yeah. YOU give them a pass. All we heard from them was 'teh gimmick' of motion controls. 'Teh flailing'. How NOTHING will top the controller. And I'm not even scratching the service on the PS3 Eyetoy. Not once was it ever said that 'Gee. If the EyeToy/Wii Remotewas more accurate, motion detection would be cool!'. No. Instead we heard 360 is 'teh hardcore' and 'They day they go motion, I leave console gaming!'

Ahh, the hypocrisy! Ha!

I wouldn't get too excited about Natal until NextGen. Peripherals building a succesful install base is rare, especially on a peripheral not even priced yet

I think Sonys right on this one, you just gotta have a controller with some triggers.

W1NGMAN-

Yeah, but I think Natal is flexible enough to use both. depends on the game. It would work great with a wii-remote type controller, especially on an FPS. Shoot with one hand, open doors or grab stuff with the other or push buttons on a wall/elevator or drive.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

As for the lemming logic, I'd give them a pass on this as this is waay beyond the Wiimote in what it can actually do. Natal can recognize multiple people and facial expressions and the like. There really isn't any comparison beyond the fact that it has motion control capabilities. But unlike the Wiimote it can do so much more.

flazzle

Yeah. YOU give them a pass. All we heard from them was 'teh gimmick' of motion controls. 'Teh flailing'. How NOTHING will top the controller. And I'm not even scratching the service on the PS3 Eyetoy. Not once was it ever said that 'Gee. If the EyeToy/Wii Remotewas more accurate, motion detection would be cool!'. No. Instead we heard 360 is 'teh hardcore' and 'They day they go motion, I leave console gaming!'

Ahh, the hypocrisy! Ha!

I wouldn't get too excited about Natal until NextGen. Peripherals building a succesful install base is rare, especially on a peripheral not even priced yet

EA CEO John Riccitiello calls Natilee a "leap of faith".

http://www.vg247.com/2009/06/03/sonys-motion-control-oesnt-require-quite-the-leap-of-faith-that-natal-does-says-riccitiello/

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

As for the lemming logic, I'd give them a pass on this as this is waay beyond the Wiimote in what it can actually do. Natal can recognize multiple people and facial expressions and the like. There really isn't any comparison beyond the fact that it has motion control capabilities. But unlike the Wiimote it can do so much more.

flazzle

Yeah. YOU give them a pass. All we heard from them was 'teh gimmick' of motion controls. 'Teh flailing'. How NOTHING will top the controller. And I'm not even scratching the service on the PS3 Eyetoy. Not once was it ever said that 'Gee. If the EyeToy/Wii Remotewas more accurate, motion detection would be cool!'. No. Instead we heard 360 is 'teh hardcore' and 'They day they go motion, I leave console gaming!'

Ahh, the hypocrisy! Ha!

I wouldn't get too excited about Natal until NextGen. Peripherals building a succesful install base is rare, especially on a peripheral not even priced yet

[QUOTE="flazzle"]

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

As for the lemming logic, I'd give them a pass on this as this is waay beyond the Wiimote in what it can actually do. Natal can recognize multiple people and facial expressions and the like. There really isn't any comparison beyond the fact that it has motion control capabilities. But unlike the Wiimote it can do so much more.

Animal-Mother

Yeah. YOU give them a pass. All we heard from them was 'teh gimmick' of motion controls. 'Teh flailing'. How NOTHING will top the controller. And I'm not even scratching the service on the PS3 Eyetoy. Not once was it ever said that 'Gee. If the EyeToy/Wii Remotewas more accurate, motion detection would be cool!'. No. Instead we heard 360 is 'teh hardcore' and 'They day they go motion, I leave console gaming!'

Ahh, the hypocrisy! Ha!

I wouldn't get too excited about Natal until NextGen. Peripherals building a succesful install base is rare, especially on a peripheral not even priced yet

EA CEO John Riccitiello calls Natilee a "leap of faith".

http://www.vg247.com/2009/06/03/sonys-motion-control-oesnt-require-quite-the-leap-of-faith-that-natal-does-says-riccitiello/

PvtGump8

I love that pic! One could say it's symbolic of what MS is doing to 'teh hardcore' by introducing motion...

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="flazzle"]

Yeah. YOU give them a pass. All we heard from them was 'teh gimmick' of motion controls. 'Teh flailing'. How NOTHING will top the controller. And I'm not even scratching the service on the PS3 Eyetoy. Not once was it ever said that 'Gee. If the EyeToy/Wii Remotewas more accurate, motion detection would be cool!'. No. Instead we heard 360 is 'teh hardcore' and 'They day they go motion, I leave console gaming!'

Ahh, the hypocrisy! Ha!

I wouldn't get too excited about Natal until NextGen. Peripherals building a succesful install base is rare, especially on a peripheral not even priced yet

heretrix

What the hell is the name gonna be when it's released, because natal is the code word for it.
Skynet?Mylo?Irobot?1984?Supercaladocioussupremium?

I think the wii is getting owned the 360 and ps3 since they both have a motion control now.

Yeah, but I think Natal is flexible enough to use both. depends on the game. It would work great with a wii-remote type controller, especially on an FPS. Shoot with one hand, open doors or grab stuff with the other or push buttons on a wall/elevator or drive.

flazzle