Official Project Natal Sticky - KEEP IT HERE

@TheGrat1

I dont' see what facts you have to support that the PS motion is more sensitive than the Wii Motion Plus, both are capable of one-to-one, as shown in demos.

[QUOTE="Pokedude1013"]

@TheGrat1

I dont' see what facts you have to support that the PS motion is more sensitive than the Wii Motion Plus, both are capable of one-to-one, as shown in demos.

TheGrat1

I'm not saying it's superior. What I am saying though, is that you can't say that it is superior, and will only believe otherwise if someone shows you. infact, it should be the other way around; you can't make a definitive statement without a definitive evidence.

[QUOTE="2beers_in_hand"]

[QUOTE="TBoogy"]

You have been spewing that "two eyetoys" crap for a couple of days now. Are you starting to believe it yourself?

TBoogy

I don't remember the skateboard question. You will have to ask again. I will be sure to come back to this thread again.

As for the eyetoy comment, as I have said before I am sure, the eyetoy did not detect distance by measuring the time light takes to return to the camera. If you look at the Natal camera, you can see all the little senors surrounding the lens.

One trick pony? Voice recognition, face recognition, and 3d motion detection. Thats is 3 tricks in one device. ;)

[QUOTE="TheGrat1"][QUOTE="Pokedude1013"]

@TheGrat1

I dont' see what facts you have to support that the PS motion is more sensitive than the Wii Motion Plus, both are capable of one-to-one, as shown in demos.

I'm not saying it's superior. What I am saying though, is that you can't say that it is superior, and will only believe otherwise if someone shows you. infact, it should be the other way around; you can't make a definitive statement without a definitive evidence.

[QUOTE="Pokedude1013"]

[QUOTE="TheGrat1"] I only have my eyes. If someone would be kind enough to provide a reliable tech comparioson between PS motion and Motion+ that shows that motion+ is superior I would be happy to change my mind. All I can say is that Son'ys controller was picking up every jitter in Anton's habd and I didn't see that during wii sports resort. Sony took the best thing about the wii remote, the IR pointer, and apllied it to all motions.TheGrat1

I'm not saying it's superior. What I am saying though, is that you can't say that it is superior, and will only believe otherwise if someone shows you. infact, it should be the other way around; you can't make a definitive statement without a definitive evidence.

[QUOTE="TheGrat1"][QUOTE="Pokedude1013"]

I'm not saying it's superior. What I am saying though, is that you can't say that it is superior, and will only believe otherwise if someone shows you. infact, it should be the other way around; you can't make a definitive statement without a definitive evidence.

fluxorator

For the sake of most of my discussions in system wars, sales are completely irrelevant to me. I am looking at this from purely a tech and game application point of view.

All of this motion control stuff indeed has BIG potential but it has ways to go(5 years maybe?) before core games can be made using such tech. until then expect half-assed casual games or tacked on support for core games. And im not talking just about project Natal, im talking about the ps3 motionbulb and the wii motion plus too.exiledsnake

[QUOTE="exiledsnake"]All of this motion control stuff indeed has BIG potential but it has ways to go(5 years maybe?) before core games can be made using such tech. until then expect half-assed casual games or tacked on support for core games. And im not talking just about project Natal, im talking about the ps3 motionbulb and the wii motion plus too.BoloTheGreat

The biggest problem I have with Natal, is even though it tracks you accurately in 3d space, you're movements are still chained to the tv. I think that in order for this to be fully exploited, you need 3d video glasses.

All of this motion control stuff indeed has BIG potential but it has ways to go(5 years maybe?) before core games can be made using such tech. until then expect half-assed casual games or tacked on support for core games. And im not talking just about project Natal, im talking about the ps3 motionbulb and the wii motion plus too.exiledsnake

[QUOTE="AlphaGamer469"]

Here's what's a joke about the cows arguments: The Natal is total garbage, even though this is a new technology shown for the 1st time, yet Sony's 2nd rate Wiimote wannabe with a lit ball at the end is teh greatest. I guess gaming on a PS just weens you on accepting 2nd rate copies of everyone else...

TheGrat1

You know all this because you've played the final versions of all of them, right? You foolish cows are all the same. Worshiping Sony. I'm saying I need more then the 1st tech demo to go on, but unlike cows, I'm not just praising Sony...

How the hell do you know what nintendo is coming up with? [QUOTE="AlphaGamer469"]

[QUOTE="TheGrat1"][QUOTE="AlphaGamer469"]

Here's what's a joke about the cows arguments: The Natal is total garbage, even though this is a new technology shown for the 1st time, yet Sony's 2nd rate Wiimote wannabe with a lit ball at the end is teh greatest. I guess gaming on a PS just weens you on accepting 2nd rate copies of everyone else...

Tjeremiah1988

You know all this because you've played the final versions of all of them, right? You foolish cows are all the same. Worshiping Sony. I'm saying I need more then the 1st tech demo to go on, but unlike cows, I'm not just praising Sony...

You say you need more than one tech demo to go on, yet you call the PS motion controller a 2nd rate wii remote when its tech and possibilities for game application is obviously superior. Backpedal much? Wii motion+ and PS motion are both far superior to natalwhen it comes to real gaming and not simple apps or arm flailing. Even you can't deny that the PS motion controller can already draw more easily and more accurately than natal. And I am not a cow. I love my PlayStation 3 and my 360, I and many well known manticores on this forum can simply see clearly enough to give props to obviously superior gaming tech. Fanboys will naturally not comprehend, and personally, I don't expect them to.

I dont know what they are coming up with but im sure its something to counter Natal or heck, maybe go a whole new direction. You gotta be delusional to think Nintendo did not see this coming when MS made the purchase and to think Nintendo isnt ready to counter. This is my guess. Tjeremiah1988

Looks like Rare is using Project Natal.

Natal appeared to be a money making scheme to me. I don't believe for a second that it will work well for gaming. Maybe if they did more actual demonstrations instead of their pre-arranged acted out videos, I would be convinced. When they had the girl jumping around like a freak that just proved to me that its just a gimick. It didnt look accurate at all. It just looked frustrating.

Mr_Ditters

I only have my eyes. If someone would be kind enough to provide a reliable tech comparioson between PS motion and Motion+ that shows that motion+ is superior I would be happy to change my mind. All I can say is that Son'ys controller was picking up every jitter in Anton's habd and I didn't see that during wii sports resort. Sony took the best thing about the wii remote, the IR pointer, and apllied it to all motions.TheGrat1

I'm not saying it's superior. What I am saying though, is that you can't say that it is superior, and will only believe otherwise if someone shows you. infact, it should be the other way around; you can't make a definitive statement without a definitive evidence.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/e3-post-natal-discussion-interview

Eurogamer: So this technology isn't just for use with Arcade titles or specially designed games like Milo & Kate? It could be used to play regular games?

Alex Kipman: Absolutely. We see there being three types of game. We love the [existing] controller, it's not going anywhere and there will continue to be games that are specifically made to only work with a controller. We'll have games that are specifically designed to work only with Natal - not just arcadey games, but real, hardcore, triple-A titles.

Then you'll have some games that are essentially a hybrid - games that work both with the controller and with Natal. Why is that interesting? Think about a first-person shooter where I'm using the controller but I'm doing facial tracking by just moving around and looking round corners.

Maybe this will shut the haters up.

[QUOTE="TheGrat1"][QUOTE="Pokedude1013"]

I'm not saying it's superior. What I am saying though, is that you can't say that it is superior, and will only believe otherwise if someone shows you. infact, it should be the other way around; you can't make a definitive statement without a definitive evidence.

MortalDecay

And what is the difference between body tracking and movement detection according to you? Did you see the Eye Pet demo? How is that different from what Natal does?

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/e3-post-natal-discussion-interview

Eurogamer: So this technology isn't just for use with Arcade titles or specially designed games like Milo & Kate? It could be used to play regular games?

Alex Kipman: Absolutely. We see there being three types of game. We love the existing controller, it's not going anywhere and there will continue to be games that are specifically made to only work with a controller. We'll have games that are specifically designed to work only with Natal - not just arcadey games, but real, hardcore, triple-A titles.

Then you'll have some games that are essentially a hybrid - games that work both with the controller and with Natal. Why is that interesting? Think about a first-person shooter where I'm using the controller but I'm doing facial tracking by just moving around and looking round corners.

Maybe this will shut the haters up.

MortalDecay

That still sounds blah blah blah to me. Until we see that stuff that's the usual deceptive propaganda Microsoft loves to use.

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"][QUOTE="TheGrat1"] Well. Sony's controller can constantly track where you are in 3D space. It could also incorporate body tracking easily since the original Eye Toy was able to do it. Those are two distinct, undeniable advantages it has over the wii remote. And even if the tech was identicle, the PS3 is simply a vastly more powerful system that wii. Better graphics and physics will accompany those motion controls allowing for more immersive games.Odrec

And what is the difference between body tracking and movement detection according to you? Did you see the Eye Pet demo? How is that different from what Natal does?

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/e3-post-natal-discussion-interview

Eurogamer: So this technology isn't just for use with Arcade titles or specially designed games like Milo & Kate? It could be used to play regular games?

Alex Kipman: Absolutely. We see there being three types of game. We love the existing controller, it's not going anywhere and there will continue to be games that are specifically made to only work with a controller. We'll have games that are specifically designed to work only with Natal - not just arcadey games, but real, hardcore, triple-A titles.

Then you'll have some games that are essentially a hybrid - games that work both with the controller and with Natal. Why is that interesting? Think about a first-person shooter where I'm using the controller but I'm doing facial tracking by just moving around and looking round corners.

Maybe this will shut the haters up.

That still sounds blah blah blah to me. Until we see that stuff that's the usual deceptive propaganda Microsoft loves to use.

[QUOTE="Odrec"]

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"] The original Eye Toy did not have body tracking. All it could do was sense movement, that is it. Remember the big ball on the Sony Wiimote? They added that ball so the Eye Toy could track it. Because, otherwise, it only detects movement.MortalDecay

And what is the difference between body tracking and movement detection according to you? Did you see the Eye Pet demo? How is that different from what Natal does?

[QUOTE="Odrec"]

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/e3-post-natal-discussion-interview

Eurogamer: So this technology isn't just for use with Arcade titles or specially designed games like Milo & Kate? It could be used to play regular games?

Alex Kipman: Absolutely. We see there being three types of game. We love the existing controller, it's not going anywhere and there will continue to be games that are specifically made to only work with a controller. We'll have games that are specifically designed to work only with Natal - not just arcadey games, but real, hardcore, triple-A titles.

Then you'll have some games that are essentially a hybrid - games that work both with the controller and with Natal. Why is that interesting? Think about a first-person shooter where I'm using the controller but I'm doing facial tracking by just moving around and looking round corners.

Maybe this will shut the haters up.

MortalDecay

That still sounds blah blah blah to me. Until we see that stuff that's the usual deceptive propaganda Microsoft loves to use.

Uff... Microsoft have lots to go with just their Windows systems and their RROD stuff. They love to fill their mouths with how their Windows systems are always so good and secure and then they release things like Me and Vista or any other OS with major security issues. They have been saying forever how fixed the RROD issue is and they just changed its name to E74 or something like that.

[QUOTE="Odrec"]

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/e3-post-natal-discussion-interview

Eurogamer: So this technology isn't just for use with Arcade titles or specially designed games like Milo & Kate? It could be used to play regular games?

Alex Kipman: Absolutely. We see there being three types of game. We love the existing controller, it's not going anywhere and there will continue to be games that are specifically made to only work with a controller. We'll have games that are specifically designed to work only with Natal - not just arcadey games, but real, hardcore, triple-A titles.

Then you'll have some games that are essentially a hybrid - games that work both with the controller and with Natal. Why is that interesting? Think about a first-person shooter where I'm using the controller but I'm doing facial tracking by just moving around and looking round corners.

Maybe this will shut the haters up.

MortalDecay

That still sounds blah blah blah to me. Until we see that stuff that's the usual deceptive propaganda Microsoft loves to use.

WOW no wonder M$ sells so well....uneducated consumers FTW.

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"][QUOTE="Odrec"]

And what is the difference between body tracking and movement detection according to you? Did you see the Eye Pet demo? How is that different from what Natal does?

Odrec

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"][QUOTE="Odrec"]

That still sounds blah blah blah to me. Until we see that stuff that's the usual deceptive propaganda Microsoft loves to use.

Uff... Microsoft have lots to go with just their Windows systems and their RROD stuff. They love to fill their mouths with how their Windows systems are always so good and secure and then they release things like Me and Vista or any other OS with major security issues. They have been saying forever how fixed the RROD issue is and they just changed its name to E74 or something like that.

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"][QUOTE="Odrec"]

That still sounds blah blah blah to me. Until we see that stuff that's the usual deceptive propaganda Microsoft loves to use.

WOW no wonder M$ sells so well....uneducated consumers FTW.

[QUOTE="MortalDecay"]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/e3-post-natal-discussion-interview

Eurogamer: So this technology isn't just for use with Arcade titles or specially designed games like Milo & Kate? It could be used to play regular games?

Alex Kipman: Absolutely. We see there being three types of game. We love the existing controller, it's not going anywhere and there will continue to be games that are specifically made to only work with a controller. We'll have games that are specifically designed to work only with Natal - not just arcadey games, but real, hardcore, triple-A titles.

Then you'll have some games that are essentially a hybrid - games that work both with the controller and with Natal. Why is that interesting? Think about a first-person shooter where I'm using the controller but I'm doing facial tracking by just moving around and looking round corners.

Maybe this will shut the haters up.

That still sounds blah blah blah to me. Until we see that stuff that's the usual deceptive propaganda Microsoft loves to use.

[QUOTE="TheGrat1"][QUOTE="Pokedude1013"]

I'm not saying it's superior. What I am saying though, is that you can't say that it is superior, and will only believe otherwise if someone shows you. infact, it should be the other way around; you can't make a definitive statement without a definitive evidence.

MortalDecay

Your bady is moving and the Eye Toy tracked your movement. Its still sensing your body. Anyway, Eye Toy is last gen, PS Eye is this gen. The PS Eye can tell where you are in 3D space even withouth the controlller. It can detect depth, The Eye of Judgement proved this. And even if it is just rudimentary body tracking for something simple like your outline, thats all it needs to pull off as long as it has that controller which adds extra control that natal sorely lacks.

i really think people should just wait and see about natal. it could easily be amazing like MS is saying but it could just as easily fail like sixaxis. we all should really just wait until we see some games running with natal before we go start claiming how good or bad it looks. sony took a much safer approch to motion controls and you can easily see both casual and core games coming out for teh PS3 the will really be able to utilize the motion controls. however natal is really going to be a hit or miss. MS realeased a lot of promo videos about what natal could do but we haven't seen a game do that in real time yet so i don't think people claim it works. my one worry is how exactly natal will work with more hardcore games even with a controller. especially for games that take a lot of precision or movement. i remember someone saying that in game like rainbow six you can use natal to to point at where your team should go rather useing a button prompt but i don't really see how a core game will be able to implement natal as core feature in the not just some gimmiky add on. for instance i don't natal can differentiate between how hard you push on a gas pedal for driving games and have no idea how it would work for shooters, but only time will tell. i really just want people to wait and see cause all of this argueing is pointless cause we really no nothing other than 360 as a camer that moninter full body motion that may or may not work well in games

Interesting idea, but I can't really judge it without seeing how it's used in commercial games.

I think the lack of things to hold (and the lack of buttons) will be very limiting to its use in many games.

Looks like Natal had the most buzz at E3.

http://kotaku.com/5280739/so-which-e3-announcements-generated-the-most-buzz

Looks like Natal had the most buzz at E3.

http://kotaku.com/5280739/so-which-e3-announcements-generated-the-most-buzz

gago-gago

It looks like someone's been lying!!! http://news.spong.com/article/18155/Lionheads_Project_Natal_Video_Fakery

It looks like someone's been lying!!! http://news.spong.com/article/18155/Lionheads_Project_Natal_Video_Fakery

2beers_in_hand

It looks like someone's been lying!!! http://news.spong.com/article/18155/Lionheads_Project_Natal_Video_Fakery

2beers_in_hand

Natal looks like the worst of the three. In no way is it practical for gaming.

[QUOTE="2beers_in_hand"]

It looks like someone's been lying!!! http://news.spong.com/article/18155/Lionheads_Project_Natal_Video_Fakery

jakarai

Another thing people fail to recognize is that there is a delay with fast motions regarding the camera. I don't think it's good enough for fast movment.

Project Natal>>Wii fit

[QUOTE="2beers_in_hand"]

It looks like someone's been lying!!! http://news.spong.com/article/18155/Lionheads_Project_Natal_Video_Fakery

jakarai

Natal looks like the worst of the three. In no way is it practical for gaming.

screechmario

[QUOTE="screechmario"]

Natal looks like the worst of the three. In no way is it practical for gaming.

BumFluff122

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="screechmario"]

Natal looks like the worst of the three. In no way is it practical for gaming.

exiledsnake