Oddworld devs: Indie games don't matter to Microsoft

At the business level, Microsoft isn't acknowledging people like us, said Lanning. It's as if we dont matter.

Microsofts stance towards indies with Xbox One is a continuation of problems encountered in the current generation: Lanning and JAW boss Stewart Gilray tried for over a year to get Oddworld: Strangers Wrath HD released on Xbox Live before ultimately failing.

The target kept on moving, and eventually we couldnt get clear answers for 15 months. We do'nt have five biz dev guys and two attorneys and some PR people to send up there to roll out whatever carpets you have to roll out to get attention.

We were like, Look. We're on seven other networks. It's been no-brainers on all of them. We're not asking you for money. We're not asking you for advertising.

Lanning added: We're little guys, we have to release. We can't get a straight answer. Then we release on PSN, and we get a mail the next day that says, Oh, you released on PSN at a lower price point, you didn't meet our margins, sorry you can't be on the system. Boom. And that was it.

We're not on the radar. We're little guys. It doesnt seem like any of the little guys are on the radar. When we listen to them talk, we have to laugh. It's pure rhetoric.

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Microsoft is a poison to gaming :(

Games in general dont matter to Microsoft.

Games in general doesnt matter to Microsoft.

crimsonman1245

[QUOTE="crimsonman1245"]

Games in general doesnt matter to Microsoft.

FoxbatAlpha

[QUOTE="crimsonman1245"]

Games in general doesnt matter to Microsoft.

FoxbatAlpha

Indeed. All I want to to play is brown shooters.

[QUOTE="FoxbatAlpha"][QUOTE="crimsonman1245"]

Games in general doesnt matter to Microsoft.

muffin200

Indeed. All I want to to play is brown shooters.

Grey shooters have feelings too, ya know.  :roll:

[QUOTE="muffin200"]

[QUOTE="FoxbatAlpha"] MS is right. Who give a shiz about indies.ConanTheStoner

Indeed. All I want to to play is brown shooters.

Grey shooters have feelings too, ya know.  :roll:

[QUOTE="crimsonman1245"]

Games in general doesnt matter to Microsoft.

FoxbatAlpha

Xbox fans do according to Minecraft sales.

Just don't put your games on XBLA if you can't self publish Lanning, you already said as much over a month ago.. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-13-right-now-oddworld-new-n-tasty-isnt-coming-to-xbox-one-or-xbox-360 I love Oddworld but all they did last Gen was Strangers Wrath HD and Munches Oddysee HD both which I bought. Now they have announced a remake of Abe's Oddysee for next gen why not make new something new.Jack-Burton

MS asked to much from developers lets see if this gen,developers will comply,MS has no advantage this time and going by pre sales it look like it will be outsold  from the opening bell,if sony was able to catch MS even with a more expensive console imagine what will happen with a cheaper one,and developers will see that,and will be almost impossible for MS to get exclusives unless they finance that game.

This gen they were able to bend 3rd parties hands into releasing games on the same time or sooner than the PS3,this new gen will be allot more different.

Either way more games to the PS4 that will not be on xbox one,let see how hard self publishing on PS4 will hurt the xbox one.

[QUOTE="crimsonman1245"]

Games in general doesnt matter to Microsoft.

FoxbatAlpha

[QUOTE="FoxbatAlpha"][QUOTE="crimsonman1245"]

Games in general doesnt matter to Microsoft.

tormentos

Xbox fans do according to Minecraft sales.

yeah, lets call out ms over indies while at the same time marvelling over the depth of xbl arcade and xbl indie.

sounds more like it was a game that could not meet xbla standards and they want to cry about it.

:cry: whaaaa! they were mean to us whaa! :cry:

:lol:

you guys will believe anything you hear as long as it lines up with what you already believe and blatant evidence to the contrary be damned.

the only reason sony is even jocking indie and you are following on the bandwagon is because of the massive success of xbla.

yeah, lets call out ms over indies while at the same time marvelling over the depth of xbl arcade and xbl indie.

sounds more like it was a game that could not meet xbla standards and they want to cry about it.

:cry: whaaaa! they were mean to us whaa! :cry:

:lol:

you guys will believe anything you hear as long as it lines up with what you already believe and blatant evidence to the contrary be damned.

the only reason sony is even jocking indie and you are following on the bandwagon is because of the massive success of xbla.

Riverwolf007

Oddly enough you come across as a whiny b**** more so than anyone else. 

Microsoft sucks except for Halo, but they even ruined Halo with Halo 4 having create-a-class.

[QUOTE="FoxbatAlpha"][QUOTE="crimsonman1245"]

Games in general doesnt matter to Microsoft.

tormentos

Xbox fans do according to Minecraft sales.

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="FoxbatAlpha"] MS is right. Who give a shiz about indies.RR360DD

Xbox fans do according to Minecraft sales.

If games mattered to MS, they wouldn't have made such a weak ass console.

[QUOTE="Jack-Burton"]Just don't put your games on XBLA if you can't self publish Lanning, you already said as much over a month ago.. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-13-right-now-oddworld-new-n-tasty-isnt-coming-to-xbox-one-or-xbox-360 I love Oddworld but all they did last Gen was Strangers Wrath HD and Munches Oddysee HD both which I bought. Now they have announced a remake of Abe's Oddysee for next gen why not make new something new.tormentos

MS asked to much from developers lets see if this gen,developers will comply,MS has no advantage this time and going by pre sales it look like it will be outsold  from the opening bell,if sony was able to catch MS even with a more expensive console imagine what will happen with a cheaper one,and developers will see that,and will be almost impossible for MS to get exclusives unless they finance that game.

This gen they were able to bend 3rd parties hands into releasing games on the same time or sooner than the PS3,this new gen will be allot more different.

Either way more games to the PS4 that will not be on xbox one,let see how hard self publishing on PS4 will hurt the xbox one.

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="Jack-Burton"]Just don't put your games on XBLA if you can't self publish Lanning, you already said as much over a month ago.. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-13-right-now-oddworld-new-n-tasty-isnt-coming-to-xbox-one-or-xbox-360 I love Oddworld but all they did last Gen was Strangers Wrath HD and Munches Oddysee HD both which I bought. Now they have announced a remake of Abe's Oddysee for next gen why not make new something new.AD216

MS asked to much from developers lets see if this gen,developers will comply,MS has no advantage this time and going by pre sales it look like it will be outsold  from the opening bell,if sony was able to catch MS even with a more expensive console imagine what will happen with a cheaper one,and developers will see that,and will be almost impossible for MS to get exclusives unless they finance that game.

This gen they were able to bend 3rd parties hands into releasing games on the same time or sooner than the PS3,this new gen will be allot more different.

Either way more games to the PS4 that will not be on xbox one,let see how hard self publishing on PS4 will hurt the xbox one.

[QUOTE="AD216"][QUOTE="tormentos"]

 

MS asked to much from developers lets see if this gen,developers will comply,MS has no advantage this time and going by pre sales it look like it will be outsold  from the opening bell,if sony was able to catch MS even with a more expensive console imagine what will happen with a cheaper one,and developers will see that,and will be almost impossible for MS to get exclusives unless they finance that game.

This gen they were able to bend 3rd parties hands into releasing games on the same time or sooner than the PS3,this new gen will be allot more different.

 

Either way more games to the PS4 that will not be on xbox one,let see how hard self publishing on PS4 will hurt the xbox one.

toast_burner

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="FoxbatAlpha"] MS is right. Who give a shiz about indies.RR360DD

Xbox fans do according to Minecraft sales.

[QUOTE="RR360DD"][QUOTE="tormentos"]

 

Xbox fans do according to Minecraft sales.

DrTrafalgarLaw

'The success of MineCraft proves indies DO matter'

One game lmao. All it proves is that some indies do have potential to take off. I could list 10 total garbage indie games, does that prove all indies are garbage?

Microsoft don't want all the shit of the day on their platform, which is exactly what happened when they started the Xbox Indie channel years ago. Full of garbage and cheap clones. Thats what happens when you give people the freedom to put whatever they want on the store, and thats what will happen to PSN.

And the rule was that Microsoft would not publish an XBLA game if it had appeared on PSN first (The exception being Joe Danger but Xbox got a special edition of that).

Fact is, the majority of great indie games will have a publisher / will easily be published by MS who publish tons of games on XBLA, even if they choose to self-publish on other platforms.

[QUOTE="RR360DD"][QUOTE="tormentos"]

 

Xbox fans do according to Minecraft sales.

AmazonTreeBoa

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"][QUOTE="RR360DD"]Which is on Xbox and Xbox One .... hmm I'm seeing some self-ownage here :cool:RR360DD

[QUOTE="RR360DD"][QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"] Ah yes, we can always count on you for pure stupidity and ignorance. At least you are consistent.....consistently stupid.AmazonTreeBoa

:lol: pathetic

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"][QUOTE="RR360DD"]I thought you ad-blocked me. You just couldn't stand the thought of missing out on my posts could you :cool: self-owned.RR360DD

:lol: pathetic

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"]

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]Which is on Xbox and Xbox One .... hmm I'm seeing some self-ownage here :cool:RR360DD

M$ are'nt that bothered about gaming in general,its an afterthought to them.

Once those initial few games launch on Xbone exclusives will dry up just like last time.

They'll probably bring back all that anti-consumer bullshit as well once all the stupid lembots have got themselves invested in Xbone,and they'll take it up the ass from M$ just like they did this gen.:lol:

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] Also, superior I might add, on PC. The success of MineCraft proves indies DO matter, just like how Journey proved that. Microsoft is acting like the big jerk that in their own mind. They think they're too big for indie gaming and decided they need to bring more brown and grey shooters like Dead Rising to appease to the unwashed xbox masses.

If a indie developer wants to put out a game it can either:
Go to Microsoft to
1) Give up 50% of the profits to the publisher due to absent self-publishing (it's 2013 ffs)
2) Comply with ridicilous parity rules that enforces them to either timed or full exclusivity, missing out a huge deal of Steam and PSN sales.

Go to Sony to
1) Self-publish the game with full profits and
2) Get sent free developer kits and
3) Also launch on platforms like Steam.

See how that works, chump? Damage control this.

DrTrafalgarLaw

Well the platform either has freedom of access or not. So has it been announced that content will be curated on PSN? Have you seen the iOS app store? The amount of porn apps, clone apps, just total garbage apps that appear on there despite Apple curating content.

The only reason MS require a publisher is to prevent that from happening.

To think MS are abandoning indies is just stupid. They're giving out free unity tools to all Xbox 360 and XboxOne devs. Thats the reason they hired Phil Harrison - to spot indie talent and games and grab them as exclusives.

I think people are just blowing this out of proportion because indie devs can whine all they want, yet 90% will still aim to get their game on Xbox.

Like I said before, this just proves that all three companies are guilty of alienating third parties.nintendoboy16

The majority of the xbox userbase want to shoot foreigners and save america or play halo man. Sport sport sport. e.t.c....

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

yeah, lets call out ms over indies while at the same time marvelling over the depth of xbl arcade and xbl indie.

sounds more like it was a game that could not meet xbla standards and they want to cry about it.

:cry: whaaaa! they were mean to us whaa! :cry:

:lol:

you guys will believe anything you hear as long as it lines up with what you already believe and blatant evidence to the contrary be damned.

the only reason sony is even jocking indie and you are following on the bandwagon is because of the massive success of xbla.

toast_burner

Oddly enough you come across as a whiny b**** more so than anyone else. 

that evidence being the massive amount of amazing games on xbla.

i am supposed to ignore that because a few devs are crying about something?

what i am saying here is that it looks to me like this is a dev that could not meet the standards that are required to be an xbla release so instead of making a better game they decided to cry on the internet about it to get some sympathy for their incompetence.

how obvious does something have to be before you can read between the lines?

this entire beef is about a few devs that do not want to go through the approval process.

why? because they can't meet the standards that thousands of other games on xbla have met.

plus you can say bitch if you want to, quit being a baby and say bitch if you want to say bitch.

if that is all you have to back up your argument you may as well use the actual word.

The majority of the xbox userbase want to shoot foreigners and save america or play halo man. Sport sport sport. e.t.c....

uninspiredcup

Microsoft sucks except for Halo, but they even ruined Halo with Halo 4 having personal ordinance.

Froyo101

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="Jack-Burton"]Just don't put your games on XBLA if you can't self publish Lanning, you already said as much over a month ago.. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-13-right-now-oddworld-new-n-tasty-isnt-coming-to-xbox-one-or-xbox-360 I love Oddworld but all they did last Gen was Strangers Wrath HD and Munches Oddysee HD both which I bought. Now they have announced a remake of Abe's Oddysee for next gen why not make new something new.AD216

MS asked to much from developers lets see if this gen,developers will comply,MS has no advantage this time and going by pre sales it look like it will be outsold  from the opening bell,if sony was able to catch MS even with a more expensive console imagine what will happen with a cheaper one,and developers will see that,and will be almost impossible for MS to get exclusives unless they finance that game.

This gen they were able to bend 3rd parties hands into releasing games on the same time or sooner than the PS3,this new gen will be allot more different.

Either way more games to the PS4 that will not be on xbox one,let see how hard self publishing on PS4 will hurt the xbox one.

Oh i remember i bought Oddworld: Strangers Wrath for Xbox1(old xbox) in hope to play it on 360 but it didn't work :cry:

[QUOTE="crimsonman1245"]

Games in general doesnt matter to Microsoft.

FoxbatAlpha

As a PC gamer, i do not agree.

Sadly this is not surprising to hear.

I am an avid fan of indie games, having poured 3 hours into The Binding of Isaac so far this weekend. There really is no point in me investing in the Xbox One

Microsoft came out saying how much they loved indie devs and how awesome they are. And while saying so they used minecraft as an example. Minecraft, the game that has its own toy propr line in toys r us, they have figures on the shelf at bestbuy, they have tshirts in hot topic, posters in walmart, retail versions of their 360 game, and so on for a game that has made millions and millions. Minecraft is not indie anymore, not when you have worldwide recognition and several lines of toys and clothes.

But evidently that is what microsoft thinks is indie and they think because they have minecraft that they are super big number 1 indie loves!

Like I said earlier. Not really worried about it. The Indie games will end on on XBLA.  A few Indie Game Drama Queens like Jon Blow And Lanning (He is still alive?) are crying about it now, but Microsoft wil make it right I am sure.