Nintendo Announces MK8 DLC: With Zelda as Playable Character

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#51 Posted by Bigboi500 (29636 posts) -

Awesome. Will buy immediately. Having to wait until November and May SUCKS!

#52 Edited by madsnakehhh (14269 posts) -

Now this is how you make DLC, definitely going to get at least the first pack, but paying 12 bucks for 16 new tracks plus Tanooki Mario!!! this is a steal and suddenly i'm more excited for Super Smash, i know is going to be really hard to add new characters, but new stages, that would be pretty sweet.

#53 Posted by Heirren (16870 posts) -

Have they announced new items? I'm assuming a new item from each "universe" will be added. Navi?

Was killin the bikes this evening. Finally figured out how to stop Em.

#54 Posted by Kenny789 (10232 posts) -

*heavy breathing*

#55 Edited by Wanderer5 (25702 posts) -

Where Zelda?:P And looks like some nice DLC. 6 characters, 8 vehicles, and 16 tracks for $12 is a pretty awesome deal.

#56 Posted by GeekInkINC (195 posts) -

Hmmm, interesting. Nintendo is actually trying. Wowzerz.

I am definitely intrigued. It's still early in WiiU's life, correct? Golly, I just wanna scoop one up now. :D

#57 Posted by charizard1605 (56958 posts) -

Hmmm, interesting. Nintendo is actually trying. Wowzerz.

I am definitely intrigued. It's still early in WiiU's life, correct? Golly, I just wanna scoop one up now. :D

It's one and a half years old. I'd say it's just under half its projected life span (given that I anticipate a successor in November 2016).

#58 Edited by nintendoboy16 (26494 posts) -

Looks like Ninty makes me want to wait for a "Complete Edition", which his how I'm treating devs/pubs like Netherrealm/WB and Bethesda. *sigh*

#59 Posted by charizard1605 (56958 posts) -

Looks like Ninty makes me want to wait for a "Complete Edition", which his how I'm treating devs/pubs like Netherrealm/WB and Bethesda. *sigh*

Mario Kart 8 is 'complete.' The other stuff is bonus content added to extend life of a game that already can give you dozens of hours of entertainment.

Albeit waiting a while for a complete edition wouldn't be a bad idea (although I don't know how it would work given Nintendo's pricing model).

#60 Posted by Star_Skywalker (4017 posts) -

Wait, that's Zelda or Link? Pic says Link but the text says Zelda.

#61 Edited by 93BlackHawk93 (5413 posts) -

I like this, but I hope they don't get carried away with the DLC or they may as well call it Super Smash Kart, and this also reconfirms F-Zero's death.

#62 Posted by charizard1605 (56958 posts) -

@laus_basic said:

All the info:

Pack 1 - Released: November 2014

3 Characters: Tanooki Mario, Cat Peach, Link

4 Vehicles

8 Courses

Pack 2 - Released: May 2015

3 Characters: Villager, Isabelle, Dry Bowser

4 Vehicles

8 Courses

As a bonus for purchasing both packs - as a bundle or separately - you can get eight different-coloured Yoshis and eight different-coloured Shy Guys that can be used right away.

It's funny that this is the Sheep's idea of good and proper DLC. "DLC is fine only when it's done right." But it's the same type of DLC/microtransactions you see in other games. I have no problem with them doing this as it helps extend the life of a game, but some Sheep were acting like watchful and vigilant protectors of fine taste, and every other third-party game was bringing down the industry with their DLC, and then you see these Meow Meow Peach and Tanooki Mario pictures and laugh at their excitement over it.

This is DLC done right!

So let me be clear here... Nintendo is offering you sixteen new tracks, eight new vehicles, and six new characters, all for $12 total... and this is on the same level as the Day One DLC/Microtransaction bullshit that other games have? Are you actually serious here? This is literally half as much content as was offered on the game disc, it's practically an expansion, and it's cheaper than most indie games you can buy on PSN or Xbox Live... and you're actually complaining about this? You're actually comparing this to microtransactions?

Ha man, holy shit. I had begun to think that even though you do have issues with Nintendo, at the very least you have some reasonable points to make, even if I may not always like them, but god damn, you just invalidated everything all in one go. Half a game being offered for $12 is equivalent to a $15 map pack with three new maps, guys, you heard it here.

#63 Posted by charizard1605 (56958 posts) -

Wait, that's Zelda or Link? Pic says Link but the text says Zelda.

It's the OP being a douche and joking. It's Link, not Zelda =p

I like this, but I hope they don't get carried away with the DLC or they may as well call it Super Smash Kart, and this also reconfirms F-Zero's death.

No, I hope they go all in and make it a Super Kart Bros./Nintendo All Stars/whatever, because I've been waiting for that to happen for way too long now.

#64 Posted by Pffrbt (6553 posts) -

Ha man, holy shit. I had begun to think that even though you do have issues with Nintendo, at the very least you have some reasonable points to make, even if I may not always like them, but god damn, you just invalidated everything all in one go. Half a game being offered for $12 is equivalent to a $15 map pack with three new maps, guys, you heard it here.

speak_low has shown that they're insane multiple times so you should probably not bother responding to them.

#65 Posted by onesiphorus (57 posts) -

I did not like the fact that I would have to wait until next May to see Pack 2 (Animal Crossing) to be available for download. At least I can wait a few months for Pack 1 (Legend of Zelda).

#66 Edited by Speak_Low (1020 posts) -

@charizard1605 said:

So let me be clear here... Nintendo is offering you sixteen new tracks, eight new vehicles, and six new characters, all for $12 total... and this is on the same level as the Day One DLC/Microtransaction bullshit that other games have? Are you actually serious here? This is literally half as much content as was offered on the game disc, it's practically an expansion, and it's cheaper than most indie games you can buy on PSN or Xbox Live... and you're actually complaining about this? You're actually comparing this to microtransactions?

Ha man, holy shit. I had begun to think that even though you do have issues with Nintendo, at the very least you have some reasonable points to make, even if I may not always like them, but god damn, you just invalidated everything all in one go. Half a game being offered for $12 is equivalent to a $15 map pack with three new maps, guys, you heard it here.

There's been great DLC for the longest time, even on the Xbox 360/PS3 over 7 years ago.

Every time Nintendo joins the party late or does it with major game like MK8, Sheep make it sound like the biggest splash ever - like they fine-tuned something the masses didn't know how to handle, and turned it into an art form. Other developers are greedy dopes, and Nintendo spins things into fine golden silk. Uh huh. I have no huge problem with this DLC and you won't find any older posts where I'm complaining about DLC in general, the way other people have complained.

The reason many Nintendo owners haven't noticed great DLC packages is either because they're new to this concept, or they don't care for those games that had them. Gears of War (a ton of maps were FREE, along with updated holiday weapons and characters), Skyrim, RDR, GTA, etc had great additional DLC content, but knowing that many Nintendo owners [claim] to hate those games and don't care about them (but I suspect secretly play the heck out of them anyways), of course the DLC looks worthless to them. It's not made by Nintendo and it's for games they don't care as much for as they do with SSB, Zelda and Mario Kart.

As I said, I'm not against this Mario Kart DLC. Wii U sales aren't moving as much as people hoped, so Nintendo is trying to get people excited again. But there was a thread made a few days ago where some Sheep were admitting to hating all DLC, but say "if done right, then it's okay" which meant "only Nintendo I will excuse. The rest will always be crap no matter what they do."

So now, here with the MK8 DLC, we get tracks and characters for something around $8-$16. That's not that far from what DLC has always been priced compared to what they gave in return: multiple maps or tracks, DLC expansion packs, prequel episodes, character outfits/skins/weapons and extra vehicles - developers have been doing this for the longest time. $5-$10-$15-$20 have been the DLC pricing blocks we're all familiar with. But I guess none of those attempts were "doing it right" and it took Nintendo to show them, even though the content isn't that different or groundbreaking. Nintendo is made to sound like an Industry Messiah sometimes. If this company does so many perfect things in terms of creating wider consumer satisfaction, excellent value propositions and their ability to spark innovation and light the way for the dopey masses, then why aren't they doing better? Why didn't they think of this before and apply it to their other masterpiece games, and why is the Wii U seeing so many problems with Nintendo in full control of things? The fact of the matter is, the industry, while guilty of excesses like anywhere else, isn't that bad, and the atmosphere isn't that poisonous (I know you're all buying these games like TLOU, COD, GTA, Uncharted and Gears of War anyways), and Nintendo, while doing some good things here and there, isn't as untouchable and brilliant as so many Sheep here believe. Their sparse output and infrequent public statements doesn't suddenly make them some reclusive genius or industry prodigy.

Oh, and ignore that guy who responded below you. He's too busy playing more PS4/PS3 games he hates, on a console he hated to buy. He's still trying to figure how that works.

#67 Posted by charizard1605 (56958 posts) -

@charizard1605 said:

So let me be clear here... Nintendo is offering you sixteen new tracks, eight new vehicles, and six new characters, all for $12 total... and this is on the same level as the Day One DLC/Microtransaction bullshit that other games have? Are you actually serious here? This is literally half as much content as was offered on the game disc, it's practically an expansion, and it's cheaper than most indie games you can buy on PSN or Xbox Live... and you're actually complaining about this? You're actually comparing this to microtransactions?

Ha man, holy shit. I had begun to think that even though you do have issues with Nintendo, at the very least you have some reasonable points to make, even if I may not always like them, but god damn, you just invalidated everything all in one go. Half a game being offered for $12 is equivalent to a $15 map pack with three new maps, guys, you heard it here.

There's been great DLC for the longest time, even on the Xbox 360/PS3 over 7 years ago.

Every time Nintendo joins the party late or does it with major game like MK8, Sheep make it sound like the biggest splash ever - like they fine-tuned something the masses didn't know how to handle, and turned it into an art form. Other developers are greedy dopes, and Nintendo spins things into fine golden silk. Uh huh. I have no huge problem with this DLC and you won't find any older posts where I'm complaining about DLC in general, the way other people have complained.

The reason many Nintendo owners haven't noticed great DLC packages is either because they're new to this concept, or they don't care for those games that had them. Gears of War (a ton of maps were FREE, along with updated holiday weapons and characters), Skyrim, RDR, GTA, etc had great additional DLC content, but knowing that many Nintendo owners [claim] to hate those games and don't care about them (but I suspect secretly play the heck out of them anyways), of course the DLC looks worthless to them. It's not made by Nintendo and it's for games they don't care as much for as they do with SSB, Zelda and Mario Kart.

As I said, I'm not against this Mario Kart DLC. Wii U sales aren't moving as much as people hoped, so Nintendo is trying to get people excited again. But there was a thread made a few days ago where some Sheep were admitting to hating all DLC, but say "if done right, then it's okay" which meant "only Nintendo I will excuse. The rest will always be crap no matter what they do."

So now, here with the MK8 DLC, we get tracks and characters for something around $8-$16. That's not that far from what DLC has always been priced compared to what they gave in return: multiple maps or tracks, DLC expansion packs, prequel episodes, character outfits/skins/weapons and extra vehicles - developers have been doing this for the longest time. $5-$10-$15-$20 have been the DLC pricing blocks we're all familiar with. But I guess none of those attempts were "doing it right" and it took Nintendo to show them, even though the content isn't that different or groundbreaking. Nintendo is made to sound like an Industry Messiah sometimes. If this company does so many perfect things in terms of creating wider consumer satisfaction, excellent value propositions and their ability to spark innovation and light the way for the dopey masses, then why aren't they doing better? Why didn't they think of this before and apply it to their other masterpiece games, and why is the Wii U seeing so many problems with Nintendo in full control of things? The fact of the matter is, the industry, while guilty of excesses like anywhere else, isn't that bad, and the atmosphere isn't that poisonous (I know you're all buying these games like TLOU, COD, GTA, Uncharted and Gears of War anyways), and Nintendo, while doing some good things here and there, isn't as untouchable and brilliant as so many Sheep here believe. Their sparse output and infrequent public statements doesn't suddenly make them some reclusive genius or industry prodigy.

Oh, and ignore that guy who responded below you. He's too busy playing more PS4/PS3 games he hates, on a console he hated to buy. He's still trying to figure how that works.

Here's the thing- when others do DLC right, they are appreciated. Once again, and I have called you out on this before, you can't paint a sheep hive mind. You have to call out specific users if you are making any accusations. Otherwise, let's start with your 'sheep' labels. So I am a sheep, yes? By any traditional definition. And yes, I have in fact been at the forefront of DLC opposition, saying 'it's only acceptable when it's done right.' Except, guess what developers I cite as examples for this most frequently? Bethesda and Rockstar. None of which are Nintendo, they are actually as far away from Nintendo as possible. Of course, now I cite Nintendo as an example too- this is the second time they have attempted DLC, and they have done it exceptionally well this time as well.

Nintendo is not some industry genius or prodigy. They're exceptional game developers, and you will find me, and yes, other Nintendo fans, saying that they are the best developers in the industry. But they have a lot of other failings, which almost any of us will freely point out and accept. That's because all companies do. The issue with any discussion about Nintendo with you is, it comes off as if it's an agenda with you. I'm not saying that it is or it isn't, I'm telling you what it looks like. You are always at the front when it comes to calling Nintendo out on their shit- which, incidentally, I approve of, any company needs to be called out on its shit- but you are never willing to cede any ground to give them any credit when they do things right. It makes your entire argument one sided, because you're only ever criticizing, never giving them any credit when they actually get things right. Such as with this DLC, this is above and beyond what other developers offer, plain and simple, it's 50% of the content in the base game being offered for a fifth of the price. It shouldn't be hard to see why that is exceptional value.

Also, the industry at large isn't poisonous. The modern AAA industry is certainly bloated, though, one look at Ubisoft with two Assassin's Creed major releases in two months should be proof enough. But hey, GTA, TLOU, Uncharted, or even CoD? I won't criticize those. Ubisoft, EA, annual sports games, shit like that, microtransactions, prepaid Season Passes, stuff like that? I will.

#68 Edited by Maroxad (8209 posts) -

@charizard1605: Is it 12 dollars for both packs or just 1.

I was under the impression that it was 12 dollars for per pack.

Edit: Saw the mod edit. Holy moley, what a great price.

#69 Posted by handssss (1834 posts) -

worth it for the new cups alone.

Gotta say, Nintendo may be 10 years behind the competition when it comes to online gaming, but when it comes to DLC, this is a good thing.

I miss the first few years of last gen and before that. Save for horse armor, DLC was amazing for the price (if there was any price)

#70 Posted by charizard1605 (56958 posts) -

@Maroxad said:

@charizard1605: Is it 12 dollars for both packs or just 1.

I was under the impression that it was 12 dollars for per pack.

Edit: Saw the mod edit. Holy moley, what a great price.

$12 total. If you want to buy the packs individually, you can spend $8 on them per pack.

#71 Posted by 93BlackHawk93 (5413 posts) -

this is the second time they have attempted DLC, and they have done it exceptionally well this time as well.

They did too with FE:A, Pikmin 3, and Mario Golf.

#72 Edited by Micropixel (884 posts) -

@speak_low said:

@charizard1605 said:

So let me be clear here... Nintendo is offering you sixteen new tracks, eight new vehicles, and six new characters, all for $12 total... and this is on the same level as the Day One DLC/Microtransaction bullshit that other games have? Are you actually serious here? This is literally half as much content as was offered on the game disc, it's practically an expansion, and it's cheaper than most indie games you can buy on PSN or Xbox Live... and you're actually complaining about this? You're actually comparing this to microtransactions?

Ha man, holy shit. I had begun to think that even though you do have issues with Nintendo, at the very least you have some reasonable points to make, even if I may not always like them, but god damn, you just invalidated everything all in one go. Half a game being offered for $12 is equivalent to a $15 map pack with three new maps, guys, you heard it here.

There's been great DLC for the longest time, even on the Xbox 360/PS3 over 7 years ago.

Every time Nintendo joins the party late or does it with major game like MK8, Sheep make it sound like the biggest splash ever - like they fine-tuned something the masses didn't know how to handle, and turned it into an art form. Other developers are greedy dopes, and Nintendo spins things into fine golden silk. Uh huh. I have no huge problem with this DLC and you won't find any older posts where I'm complaining about DLC in general, the way other people have complained.

The reason many Nintendo owners haven't noticed great DLC packages is either because they're new to this concept, or they don't care for those games that had them. Gears of War (a ton of maps were FREE, along with updated holiday weapons and characters), Skyrim, RDR, GTA, etc had great additional DLC content, but knowing that many Nintendo owners [claim] to hate those games and don't care about them (but I suspect secretly play the heck out of them anyways), of course the DLC looks worthless to them. It's not made by Nintendo and it's for games they don't care as much for as they do with SSB, Zelda and Mario Kart.

As I said, I'm not against this Mario Kart DLC. Wii U sales aren't moving as much as people hoped, so Nintendo is trying to get people excited again. But there was a thread made a few days ago where some Sheep were admitting to hating all DLC, but say "if done right, then it's okay" which meant "only Nintendo I will excuse. The rest will always be crap no matter what they do."

So now, here with the MK8 DLC, we get tracks and characters for something around $8-$16. That's not that far from what DLC has always been priced compared to what they gave in return: multiple maps or tracks, DLC expansion packs, prequel episodes, character outfits/skins/weapons and extra vehicles - developers have been doing this for the longest time. $5-$10-$15-$20 have been the DLC pricing blocks we're all familiar with. But I guess none of those attempts were "doing it right" and it took Nintendo to show them, even though the content isn't that different or groundbreaking. Nintendo is made to sound like an Industry Messiah sometimes. If this company does so many perfect things in terms of creating wider consumer satisfaction, excellent value propositions and their ability to spark innovation and light the way for the dopey masses, then why aren't they doing better? Why didn't they think of this before and apply it to their other masterpiece games, and why is the Wii U seeing so many problems with Nintendo in full control of things? The fact of the matter is, the industry, while guilty of excesses like anywhere else, isn't that bad, and the atmosphere isn't that poisonous (I know you're all buying these games like TLOU, COD, GTA, Uncharted and Gears of War anyways), and Nintendo, while doing some good things here and there, isn't as untouchable and brilliant as so many Sheep here believe. Their sparse output and infrequent public statements doesn't suddenly make them some reclusive genius or industry prodigy.

Oh, and ignore that guy who responded below you. He's too busy playing more PS4/PS3 games he hates, on a console he hated to buy. He's still trying to figure how that works.

Sorry, I don't agree.

You're acting as if every Wii U owner has never seen, touched, played or owned another console other than a Nintendo console. And that's simply not true. I've been gaming on multiple machines since the mid 80's. I still game on multiple machines to this day.

This package is a great value for what you're getting and pretty comparable to anything else you can dig up, past or present on any system. You can contest all you want that it's not, but I think you're definitely in the minority here, bud.

#73 Edited by Speak_Low (1020 posts) -

@charizard1605 said:

Here's the thing- when others do DLC right, they are appreciated. Once again, and I have called you out on this before, you can't paint a sheep hive mind. You have to call out specific users if you are making any accusations. Otherwise, let's start with your 'sheep' labels. So I am a sheep, yes? By any traditional definition. And yes, I have in fact been at the forefront of DLC opposition, saying 'it's only acceptable when it's done right.' Except, guess what developers I cite as examples for this most frequently? Bethesda and Rockstar. None of which are Nintendo, they are actually as far away from Nintendo as possible. Of course, now I cite Nintendo as an example too- this is the second time they have attempted DLC, and they have done it exceptionally well this time as well.

Nintendo is not some industry genius or prodigy. They're exceptional game developers, and you will find me, and yes, other Nintendo fans, saying that they are the best developers in the industry. But they have a lot of other failings, which almost any of us will freely point out and accept. That's because all companies do. The issue with any discussion about Nintendo with you is, it comes off as if it's an agenda with you. I'm not saying that it is or it isn't, I'm telling you what it looks like. You are always at the front when it comes to calling Nintendo out on their shit- which, incidentally, I approve of, any company needs to be called out on its shit- but you are never willing to cede any ground to give them any credit when they do things right. It makes your entire argument one sided, because you're only ever criticizing, never giving them any credit when they actually get things right. Such as with this DLC, this is above and beyond what other developers offer, plain and simple, it's 50% of the content in the base game being offered for a fifth of the price. It shouldn't be hard to see why that is exceptional value.

Also, the industry at large isn't poisonous. The modern AAA industry is certainly bloated, though, one look at Ubisoft with two Assassin's Creed major releases in two months should be proof enough. But hey, GTA, TLOU, Uncharted, or even CoD? I won't criticize those. Ubisoft, EA, annual sports games, shit like that, microtransactions, prepaid Season Passes, stuff like that? I will.

Is it a requirement that I dole out equal helpings of praise and criticism in every post in SW? Do I see many Nintendo owners doing the same for Sony/MS in here? PS4 is leading and I don't see a majority of Nintendo and MS owners or PC gamers saying the kindest things or even acknowledging the numerous things Sony has done in order to get to the top ("hype hype fail no games console peasant hype remasters indiestation hype").

I actually don't even criticize Nintendo's 1st party games very often and have already said they make polished, well-received titles. Their overall variety could be better, and some of their "uglier" 2nd party games are the poor victims of underpowered hardware thanks to Nintendo, or obvious rush jobs (cmon, look at Hyrule Warriors and tell me that game wasn't a fairly quick project). And there's a few like The Devil's Third that well.....let's just not talk about that thing.

I've said I had no problem with this MK8 DLC if it helps extend the life of a game and give fans things they want and things they like to see. The whole idea of DLC is to entice people to buy it by creating content that fans really, really want (additional maps, tracks, episodes, skins, etc). I just think the pedestal Nintendo is placed upon is a little too high, and gilded far too much.

The thing here is, I've noticed a lot of SW threads that probably should've been better left in the Nintendo forums (even the posters making those threads admit that it's not really substantial "SW material"). So maybe that's why you feel there is too much hostility. Too many threads that is more "Daily Newsfeed Tidbits" and less "SW discussion." How many SSBU threads have there been about one announced character or rumor? What does that have to do with Sony/MS/PC and System Wars? To inspire deep jealousy because of one character? No wonder why any light joke or verbal jabs thrown at Nintendo sticks out. It's mostly like-minded fans in the thread who don't like seeing that one dissenting or mocking voice while scrolling the page.

I know some say that they post these mild, daily Nintendo newsbits on here because traffic is low in the other game forums. But if you choose to post in SW, then don't expect to have the most genial reception. This is not Nintendo-only space you're posting in now, but a place to compare consoles, games and their business practices. Some posters make it sound like they want SW to be a Nintendo-safe zone ("he's a hater! Make him staahp saying these things!!"), but then I see Sony/MS and developers trashed every day from these same posters. You can't have it both ways - you post things in System Wars for the more lively discussion, but also want it relatively free of criticism?

Most of my problems with Nintendo aren't with their 1st party games but their business methods and overall thinking, their sales and where they might be headed. If I constantly focused on that in the Nintendo boards it would be probably derail threads and cause hot heads, so that's why I don't post in there.

There is no artificial wall between us gamers/consumers and a Company. I can talk about them if I want, and especially in SW. I don't think I read anything in a contract saying praise/criticism had to be 50/50. If my comments on Nintendo bend a little more heavily towards a particular side, then that's honestly what I think about them now when it comes to many of their decisions. Their overall financial picture and fallen position, to me, is troubling and disturbing, and worthy of being discussed. Considering where they are now in the industry, I don't think the amount of criticisms they are getting is that unwarranted.

How does this relate to MK8 DLC? I was noting some good old fashioned hypocrisy around these parts. Everyone knows those previous negative comments were said about devs and DLC ("stupid DLC should've been in the original game!!"), but now this similar DLC move by Nintendo is praised as sweepingly brilliant. If we don't note the hypocrisies or bring down this inflated lovefest, that Nintendo pedestal will one day get ridiculously high and unstable.

#74 Edited by scottpsfan14 (4761 posts) -

@charizard1605 said:

Here's the thing- when others do DLC right, they are appreciated. Once again, and I have called you out on this before, you can't paint a sheep hive mind. You have to call out specific users if you are making any accusations. Otherwise, let's start with your 'sheep' labels. So I am a sheep, yes? By any traditional definition. And yes, I have in fact been at the forefront of DLC opposition, saying 'it's only acceptable when it's done right.' Except, guess what developers I cite as examples for this most frequently? Bethesda and Rockstar. None of which are Nintendo, they are actually as far away from Nintendo as possible. Of course, now I cite Nintendo as an example too- this is the second time they have attempted DLC, and they have done it exceptionally well this time as well.

Nintendo is not some industry genius or prodigy. They're exceptional game developers, and you will find me, and yes, other Nintendo fans, saying that they are the best developers in the industry. But they have a lot of other failings, which almost any of us will freely point out and accept. That's because all companies do. The issue with any discussion about Nintendo with you is, it comes off as if it's an agenda with you. I'm not saying that it is or it isn't, I'm telling you what it looks like. You are always at the front when it comes to calling Nintendo out on their shit- which, incidentally, I approve of, any company needs to be called out on its shit- but you are never willing to cede any ground to give them any credit when they do things right. It makes your entire argument one sided, because you're only ever criticizing, never giving them any credit when they actually get things right. Such as with this DLC, this is above and beyond what other developers offer, plain and simple, it's 50% of the content in the base game being offered for a fifth of the price. It shouldn't be hard to see why that is exceptional value.

Also, the industry at large isn't poisonous. The modern AAA industry is certainly bloated, though, one look at Ubisoft with two Assassin's Creed major releases in two months should be proof enough. But hey, GTA, TLOU, Uncharted, or even CoD? I won't criticize those. Ubisoft, EA, annual sports games, shit like that, microtransactions, prepaid Season Passes, stuff like that? I will.

Is it a requirement that I dole out equal helpings of praise and criticism in every post in SW? Do I see many Nintendo owners doing the same for Sony/MS in here? PS4 is leading and I don't see a majority of Nintendo and MS owners or PC gamers saying the kindest things or even acknowledging the numerous things Sony has done in order to get to the top ("hype hype fail no games console peasant hype remasters indiestation hype").

I actually don't even criticize Nintendo's 1st party games very often and have already said they make polished, well-received titles. Their overall variety could be better, and some of their "uglier" 2nd party games are the poor victims of underpowered hardware thanks to Nintendo, or obvious rush jobs (cmon, look at Hyrule Warriors and tell me that game wasn't a fairly quick project). And there's a few like The Devil's Third that well.....let's just not talk about that thing.

I've said I had no problem with this MK8 DLC if it helps extend the life of a game and give fans things they want and things they like to see. The whole idea of DLC is to entice people to buy it by creating content that fans really, really want (additional maps, tracks, episodes, skins, etc). I just think the pedestal Nintendo is placed upon is a little too high, and gilded far too much.

The thing here is, I've noticed a lot of SW threads that probably should've been better left in the Nintendo forums (even the posters making those threads admit that it's not really substantial "SW material"). So maybe that's why you feel there is too much hostility. Too many threads that is more "Daily Newsfeed Tidbits" and less "SW discussion." How many SSBU threads have there been about one announced character or rumor? What does that have to do with Sony/MS/PC and System Wars? To inspire deep jealousy because of one character? No wonder why any light joke or verbal jabs thrown at Nintendo sticks out. It's mostly like-minded fans in the thread who don't like seeing that one dissenting or mocking voice while scrolling the page.

I know some say that they post these mild, daily Nintendo newsbits on here because traffic is low in the other game forums. But if you choose to post in SW, then don't expect to have the most genial reception. This is not Nintendo-only space you're posting in now, but a place to compare consoles, games and their business practices. Some posters make it sound like they want SW to be a Nintendo-safe zone ("he's a hater! Make him staahp saying these things!!"), but then I see Sony/MS and developers trashed every day from these same posters. You can't have it both ways - you post things in System Wars for the more lively discussion, but also want it relatively free of criticism?

Most of my problems with Nintendo aren't with their 1st party games but their business methods and overall thinking, their sales and where they could be headed. If I focused on that in the Nintendo boards it would be probably derail threads, so that's why I don't post in there.

There is no artificial wall between us gamers/consumers and a Company. I can talk about them if I want, and especially in SW. I don't think I read anything in a contract saying praise/criticism had to be 50/50. If my comments on Nintendo bend a little more heavily towards a particular side, then that's honestly what I think about them now when it comes to many of their decisions. Their overall financial picture and fallen position, to me, is troubling and disturbing, and worthy of being discussed. Considering where they are now in the industry, I don't think the amount of criticisms they are getting is that unwarranted.

How does this relate to MK8 DLC? I was noting some good old fashioned hypocrisy around these parts. Everyone knows those previous negative comments were said about devs and DLC ("stupid DLC should've been in the original game!!"), but now this similar DLC move by Nintendo is praised as sweepingly brilliant. If we don't note the hypocrisies or bring down this inflated lovefest, that Nintendo pedestal will one day get ridiculously high and unstable.

Lol, you are srsly out for Nintendo's head. You post a novels worth of text daily depicting how worthless Nintendo are as a company. They can't be what you say they are can they?

#75 Posted by BIOKILLER123 (572 posts) -

I'm looking forward to this. It will expand the game.

#76 Posted by Heirren (16870 posts) -

This exceeds old Blizzard "dlc" packs.

#77 Posted by Bread_or_Decide (17492 posts) -

DLC done right. SHUT UP SHUT UP NINTENDO AND TAKE ALL MY GOD DAMN MONEY!!!

#78 Edited by Bread_or_Decide (17492 posts) -

Looks like Ninty makes me want to wait for a "Complete Edition", which his how I'm treating devs/pubs like Netherrealm/WB and Bethesda. *sigh*

Nintendo never releases such things. So don't hold your breath.

#79 Posted by LegatoSkyheart (25169 posts) -

@nintendoboy16 said:

Looks like Ninty makes me want to wait for a "Complete Edition", which his how I'm treating devs/pubs like Netherrealm/WB and Bethesda. *sigh*

Nintendo never releases such things. So don't hold your breath.

There IS a New Super Mario Bros U with Luigi U on the Disc. You have to buy the WiiU bundle though.

#80 Posted by Bread_or_Decide (17492 posts) -

@Bread_or_Decide said:

@nintendoboy16 said:

Looks like Ninty makes me want to wait for a "Complete Edition", which his how I'm treating devs/pubs like Netherrealm/WB and Bethesda. *sigh*

Nintendo never releases such things. So don't hold your breath.

There IS a New Super Mario Bros U with Luigi U on the Disc. You have to buy the WiiU bundle though.

That came with a disc? I thought it was a digital copy.

#81 Edited by LegatoSkyheart (25169 posts) -

@LegatoSkyheart said:

There IS a New Super Mario Bros U with Luigi U on the Disc. You have to buy the WiiU bundle though.

That came with a disc? I thought it was a digital copy.

Yeah it's real.

Not my picture by the way, I just yonked it from Google. Here's the Gamestop Listing, I've seen the Box at my Local Gamestop before too. Only way of you getting this New is buying a WiiU Bundle with the game. After that it's all Preowned.

#82 Posted by PurpleMan5000 (7156 posts) -

@LegatoSkyheart said:
@Bread_or_Decide said:

@nintendoboy16 said:

Looks like Ninty makes me want to wait for a "Complete Edition", which his how I'm treating devs/pubs like Netherrealm/WB and Bethesda. *sigh*

Nintendo never releases such things. So don't hold your breath.

There IS a New Super Mario Bros U with Luigi U on the Disc. You have to buy the WiiU bundle though.

That came with a disc? I thought it was a digital copy.

It was digital and retail. NSLU was basically a sequel to NSMBU, as it doubled the content. It gives me hope that maybe this gen instead of getting something like Super Mario Galaxy 2, we get a $30 downloadable expansion to SM3DW that doubles its content.

#83 Posted by Bread_or_Decide (17492 posts) -

@Bread_or_Decide said:

@LegatoSkyheart said:

There IS a New Super Mario Bros U with Luigi U on the Disc. You have to buy the WiiU bundle though.

That came with a disc? I thought it was a digital copy.

Yeah it's real.

Not my picture by the way, I just yonked it from Google. Here's the Gamestop Listing, I've seen the Box at my Local Gamestop before too. Only way of you getting this New is buying a WiiU Bundle with the game. After that it's all Preowned.

Ooooh, I stand corrected. That's pretty sweet.

#84 Edited by Speak_Low (1020 posts) -

@Micropixel said:

Sorry, I don't agree.

You're acting as if every Wii U owner has never seen, touched, played or owned another console other than a Nintendo console. And that's simply not true. I've been gaming on multiple machines since the mid 80's. I still game on multiple machines to this day.

This package is a great value for what you're getting and pretty comparable to anything else you can dig up, past or present on any system. You can contest all you want that it's not, but I think you're definitely in the minority here, bud.

As I mentioned I don't have a problem with the MK8 DLC existing or the pricing. I'm one of the users who defend the original idea of DLC actually (not the excessive abuse and clear rip-off cases, obviously). For things like Skyrim, GTA or Gears, some of that content would take a long time to finish just to add to the original game, and for the Gears trilogy (I mention it a lot because I played the hell out of it in MP), some of the maps were created due to popular fan requests. I was there, on the Epic forums years ago, when devs asked what our fave maps were, and we got them. Responsive devs know what we like to see the most.

Also, some dev studios don't immediately move on to the next new game. Sometimes DLC projects, like the many for Borderlands 2, might make more sense than a complete period of inactivity or abandonment of the current game (why abandon something that is still popular and selling well?). Other times, devs need to wait until the retail game is out to see how the public takes to it. Nobody makes multiple DLC packages for games that bombed badly. We usually see DLC for games that have passed that first critical test of gaining commercial success.

In the end, all I'm pointing out is a little hypocrisy I've been seeing (from my point of view). If Activision announced a $15 DLC package for Destiny or Advanced Warfare a few months after the game released, it would be "Activision milking the gamers and selling original game content as DLC. ***holes." Nintendo makes a similar gesture and it's a brilliant move - completely different set of adjectives and names for a closely-related action (bias?). I know we get into that gray area on whether the DLC content really could've been added to the original game, but I am actually agreeing with your last part - this MK8 DLC is comparable to others out there in content and pricing, which is what I've been saying. I just don't understand why it's "an awful, shameful practice" when other devs do it to a similar degree, but "wonderful...sublime!" when Nintendo does it. Reminds me of that other thread with speculation of another Nintendo Remaster coming out. The posters in there seem excited, but just a few days ago were laughing at the PS4 Remaster of TLOU. So it's abhorrent when Sony does it, but totally cool and awesome when Nintendo does it. That's what I'm getting out of things like this.

Why point this out? I think some gamers start overestimating the abilities of their favorite company and it becomes an almost too-potent adulation, almost bordering on frighteningly intolerant and insecure mob mentality (at its worst), and the outsiders that aren't this favorite company are the cause of every disease and problem in the industry, but not this favorite company. I'm not against reasonable criticism of these other companies or publishers/devs that I admire and like, but I've noticed that when Nintendo is talked up to the heavens, the others who are doing comparable work cannot share that celestial space and become gutter trash. Hey, that's my company that I like that you're talking about, so obviously I'm going to respond - the same way I would expect a Nintendo fan to respond to something they vehemently disagree with.

Not sure why I'm supposed to be absolutely church mouse quiet in SW. This is not the Nintendo boards, and posting these things in a friction-heavy place such as SW means users should expect to have certain opinions and attitudes challenged a lot.

@scottpsfan14 said:

Lol, you are srsly out for Nintendo's head. You post a novels worth of text daily depicting how worthless Nintendo are as a company. They can't be what you say they are can they?

scottpsfan14, every user here has their favorites and not-so-favorites. I am actually a fan of more things here than people think. It's the current Nintendo (but more like Nintendo since the GCN) that I'm not a fan of, and I liked their older consoles more.

I have noticed you respond more to PC and Sony threads and don't like MS (wasn't that you with those long Crysis discussions full of specs, pics and long paragraphs?) I am a PC fan but stay out of certain things because it just doesn't interest me or maybe I even agree with a lot of it, and have nothing much to add. But we all here will sometimes type out some long responses to clarify and magnify things we feel need it. I don't really question people's right to post here, but I do seem to get lots of posts asking "why are you posting such long, negative posts in SW?" when I barely make four posts a day, and when I am actually spending more of those paragraphs defending things that I feel are unfairly attacked (like I said, I'm currently a PC/Sony/MS gamer and have moved away from Nintendo these last few years). Being a fan of three platforms now means you'll see me discussing things at length sometimes.

Nintendo does have some chance left to change things, but I think the window gets drastically smaller every year and that's why the criticisms go up. It's like seeing a sports team with some star players still failing to capitalize on things they have (and Nintendo's "star players" are their 1st party, but they bring themselves down with other things like marketing, third-party support, online, CEO policies, etc). And then to see this sports team talked up by defenders as being "just as good - if not better - as the Champion every step of the way" is what I really won't sit quietly and take. Nuh-uh! You have to earn that title

#85 Posted by hiphops_savior (7877 posts) -

@PurpleMan5000: Super Mario Galaxy 2 also fixed many of the flaws found in the first game (120 stars for Luigi which are just harder versions of the first 120, trimming a lot of the fat, improving pace, and green stars offering a much more satisfying challenge by pushing the mechanics established by Super Mario 64 and SMG1).

#86 Posted by PurpleMan5000 (7156 posts) -

@PurpleMan5000: Super Mario Galaxy 2 also fixed many of the flaws found in the first game (120 stars for Luigi which are just harder versions of the first 120, trimming a lot of the fat, improving pace, and green stars offering a much more satisfying challenge by pushing the mechanics established by Super Mario 64 and SMG1).

NSLBU plays quite differently to NSMBU, too. I would take a sequel to what I thought was the best 3D Mario game to date (SM3DW). Super Mario Galaxy 2 recycled a lot of the assets and programming from Galaxy, though. It felt like a very good expansion to me. If the Wii would have supported DLC, Galaxy 2 could have been offered as an expansion and it wouldn't have been worse for it.

#87 Posted by hiphops_savior (7877 posts) -

@hiphops_savior said:

@PurpleMan5000: Super Mario Galaxy 2 also fixed many of the flaws found in the first game (120 stars for Luigi which are just harder versions of the first 120, trimming a lot of the fat, improving pace, and green stars offering a much more satisfying challenge by pushing the mechanics established by Super Mario 64 and SMG1).

NSLBU plays quite differently to NSMBU, too. I would take a sequel to what I thought was the best 3D Mario game to date (SM3DW). Super Mario Galaxy 2 recycled a lot of the assets and programming from Galaxy, though. It felt like a very good expansion to me. If the Wii would have supported DLC, Galaxy 2 could have been offered as an expansion and it wouldn't have been worse for it.

What would that make Uncharted, which reuses much of the same mechanics and game engines except for concept art? Much of the ideas in Super Mario Galaxy 2 alone warrented a sequel, and as Tom McShea concluded, "improves upon the original in every conceivable way, making it the new standard for all platformers".

#88 Posted by PurpleMan5000 (7156 posts) -

@PurpleMan5000 said:

@hiphops_savior said:

@PurpleMan5000: Super Mario Galaxy 2 also fixed many of the flaws found in the first game (120 stars for Luigi which are just harder versions of the first 120, trimming a lot of the fat, improving pace, and green stars offering a much more satisfying challenge by pushing the mechanics established by Super Mario 64 and SMG1).

NSLBU plays quite differently to NSMBU, too. I would take a sequel to what I thought was the best 3D Mario game to date (SM3DW). Super Mario Galaxy 2 recycled a lot of the assets and programming from Galaxy, though. It felt like a very good expansion to me. If the Wii would have supported DLC, Galaxy 2 could have been offered as an expansion and it wouldn't have been worse for it.

What would that make Uncharted, which reuses much of the same mechanics and game engines except for concept art? Much of the ideas in Super Mario Galaxy 2 alone warrented a sequel, and as Tom McShea concluded, "improves upon the original in every conceivable way, making it the new standard for all platformers".

I thought Mario Galaxy 2 was one of the best games of last gen. I would have the same opinion of it if it were released as an expansion pack. I'm not one of those guys who think expansions are inferior or something. PC games used to get expansions all of the time and they were basically treated as new games by the community.

I'm just of the opinion that DLC makes expansion packs feasible on consoles, so rather than making full blown sequels with updated graphics, devolopers would do a much greater service to their customers by just putting the new content into a downloadable expansion pack.

#89 Posted by scottpsfan14 (4761 posts) -

@scottpsfan14 said:

Lol, you are srsly out for Nintendo's head. You post a novels worth of text daily depicting how worthless Nintendo are as a company. They can't be what you say they are can they?

scottpsfan14, every user here has their favorites and not-so-favorites. I am actually a fan of more things here than people think. It's the current Nintendo (but more like Nintendo since the GCN) that I'm not a fan of, and I liked their older consoles more.

I have noticed you respond more to PC and Sony threads and don't like MS (wasn't that you with those long Crysis discussions full of specs, pics and long paragraphs?) I am a PC fan but stay out of certain things because it just doesn't interest me or maybe I even agree with a lot of it, and have nothing much to add. But we all here will sometimes type out some long responses to clarify and magnify things we feel need it. I don't really question people's right to post here, but I do seem to get lots of posts asking "why are you posting such long, negative posts in SW?" when I barely make four posts a day, and when I am actually spending more of those paragraphs defending things that I feel are unfairly attacked (like I said, I'm currently a PC/Sony/MS gamer and have moved away from Nintendo these last few years). Being a fan of three platforms now means you'll see me discussing things at length sometimes.

Nintendo does have some chance left to change things, but I think the window gets drastically smaller every year and that's why the criticisms go up. It's like seeing a sports team with some star players still failing to capitalize on things they have (and Nintendo's "star players" are their 1st party, but they bring themselves down with other things like marketing, third-party support, online, CEO policies, etc). And then to see this sports team talked up by defenders as being "just as good - if not better - as the Champion every step of the way" is what I really won't sit quietly and take. Nuh-uh! You have to earn that title

Yeah don't worry about it. I like your posts. Very informative and full of teh passion son. And it's not really the length of the posts I was mostly commenting on. It was the fact that they are nearly always about what Nintendo is doing wrong. And a lot of it is pretty much fact. I was merely making an observation. And yes I do tend to rant on my self. Mainly in response to a hermit.

Again, no worries. I pretty much agree with what you say. These are the facts. But know that I still love quite a few Nintendo games made over the last decade such as SMG1/2, DKC Returns, All the Mario Karts, Smash Bros which have all been phenomenal. For me, Super Mario Galaxy 2 is a Top 10 GOAT. But when it comes to hardware and Nintendos management, you're right, it's handled like trash.

#90 Edited by PhazonBlazer (11706 posts) -

@Star_Skywalker said:

Wait, that's Zelda or Link? Pic says Link but the text says Zelda.

It's the OP being a douche and joking. It's Link, not Zelda =p

Flagged.

#91 Posted by Raptor_Herc (208 posts) -

The DLC is nice, though I will find it hard to stomach spending more than $65 CAD on a game. Too bad they did not extend Mercedes' advertising to these packs in order to make them free as well ;)

#92 Posted by Legend002 (7089 posts) -
@Heirren said:

Have they announced new items? I'm assuming a new item from each "universe" will be added. Navi?

Expecting at least bombchus.

#93 Posted by hiphops_savior (7877 posts) -

@Raptor_Herc: Enjoy your indie games. 65 CAD is the norm between inflation and decreasing currency value.