Naughty Dog: Sticking to 1080/60FPS

Naughty Dog has some serious games under its belt for Sony, with PlayStation exclusive titles like Uncharted and The Last of Us, with the latter recently going through a Remastered edition on the PS4. The Last of Us: Remastered was running at 1080p and 'mostly' 60FPS, with an option to enable 30FPS if you really wanted to.

When asked about hitting 1080p and 60FPS for its upcoming games, including Uncharted 4: A Thief's End, Naughty Dog's Community Manager, Arne Meyer said: "I think that's what we want to push for with anything we're doing on this generation. That's sort of the mandate from when we were building the PS4 engine. Let's see if we can do this and hit it. We hit it with The Last of Us Remastered, so why not stick with this?".

Uncharted 4 will soon hit the PS4, and with near confirmation it'll be running at 1080p and 60FPS, fans of the original three Uncharted games have wondered of a remastered version of the popular games. Meyer talked about those rumors too, where he said: "I personally think it would work well, because there's a lot of attention on the studio between the success of Uncharted 2, 3 and The Last of Us. It'd be nice to give players the opportunity to go back and play the older games, and people who are new to the PlayStation platform". What better way to drum up to the launch of Uncharted 4 on the PS4, than with a remastered Uncharted trilogy released?

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Well, its easy to talk about it, lets see them do it.

In Naughty Dog we trust

Oh, maybe then they can join the ranks of Forza 5 as the "other" exclusive that is running 1080p/60fps.

Haven't most all this gen devs said pretty much the same thing way before their game was even close to done, " we are pushing for 1080P 60 fps " then towards the end say well, we tried. :P

Well ND couldn't manage a solid 60 on the "remaster" of the TLOU.

meh

It'll be a Naughty Dog/10 in the graphics department.

great graphics... about 8 people if your lucky.

Great point, hadn't even considered that, yikes.

Well I was hoping they would have more open environments in the next uncharted. I hope they don't sacrifice that just to hit 1080p 60FPS and have uncharted 4 as confined and linear and the last gen ones.

Consoles 60FPS is actually ~40FPS, if history is anything to go by. They start calling it ^)FPS as soon as it crosses the 30FPS barrier.

They didn't hit stable 60 fps with TLOUre but 60 fps with some minor dips is still much better than locked 30 fps. But I think ND will target 30 fps and better graphics (as they have been doing most of the time) for the majority of their upcoming games despite what they are saying now.

They better not do a U-turn later and start claiming 30 fps or 900p as more "cinematic". Too many bullshiters in the industry these days.

Because porting a last gen game build on last gen visuals and resolution is much easier to make run at 60 frames per second than a next gen looking game in terms of visuals?

I hope Naughty Dogs hits it, because the more devs try to go for 60fps the better, and i'm glad they're focusing on it.

But every developer aims for higher. It's getting that frame rate stable that' tricky. Barely any 60fps game on next gen consoles keep it steady.

I don't like the 60fps part, I much prefer more of everything else.

stunning i tell u just stunning. also 343 confirmed halo 5 wont be 1080p, they sacrificed resolution for 60fps which automatically makes uc4 the go to game next holiday season

#sdc

Just give me Jak and Daxter

quickly became the #1 excuse for lems lately xD

I will wait and see, they have said this about many games and it always turns out to be a lie. I expect 900p(might make 1080), unlocked frame-rate maybe around 40 (with the option to VSYNC).

AC:U said they were aiming for 1080p/60fps too, look what we got. "We hit it with TLoU Remastered, why not this?" Because this is supposed to be a full on next gen game, not a texture, resolution and shadow update. Characters are going to have higher polygons, levels are going to be more expansive with a lot more going on. TLoU Remastered doesn't even run at 60, so they essentially are hoping for better performance out of a bigger, more detailed, next-gen game.

Wishful thinking at best.

Yeah because running all those SPE heavy operations on Jaguar is easy right.?

You don't understand this many of the code had to be move to the GPU because the CPU was weak sauce,but not all the code is optimal to run on the GPU,after All Cell was a CPU,emulating calls is not the same as making it from ground up.

Emulating take much more power.

Doubt it, if they go for 60fps, it won't look anything like the E3 trailer

Naughty Gods are at the helm. Nice to see TOP 5 GOAT devs pushing the boundaries of play.

It's kind of a good point though, most Sony games boast visuals but in small confined areas (Driveclub, The Order, Killzone) then their one open world game (infamous) was lifeless and empty. Infamous SS's emptiness makes you realize that the game could have been 900p 30fps with more going on (like Sunset) but it seems that Sony is obsessed at meeting the 1080p mark regardless of game quality and features. They just play off of numbers, humans are silly, they see a bigger number so it must be better!

It'll work because there won't be much happening on the screen at once and it won't be an open world. I won't be surprised if it's downgraded though. Getting the Last of Us to 1080P / 60fps wasn't a big deal since it was a last gen title. Uncharted 4 will be created from the ground up for the PS4 using a different engine then what was on the PS3. At worse it will be 1080P / 30fps. I'm fine with that.

Guess we are stuck with 8 hours of Drake's face and a fly buzzing at 60fps

How very uncinematic of them.

Yeah X1 would win this round with 8 hours of Lara's face with a fly buzzing open at 60 fps hmmm. :P

So Naughty Duds don't know how to program for 900pStation confirmed? Ah well, developing exclusively for Cell for almost a decade has it drawbacks afterall. Gaben was right.

Easy win

No if you actually got that from my post then your are even dumber than i ever believe.

Making a game from ground up to take advantage of 1 hardware,then trying to run it on a totally different one will cause problems,unless you rewrite basically all the game which would be like making the game new,the PS3 CPU was very powerful but hard,and Ubisoft benchmark showed that,it outdoes the Jaguar on PS4 in several things even just using 5 SPE.

So emulating certain parts of the game were a challenge,i play Tekken 3 on mame and it runs slow and that is basically a PS1 arcade board.

No if you actually got that from my post then your are even dumber than i ever believe.

Making a game from ground up to take advantage of 1 hardware,then trying to run it on a totally different one will cause problems,unless you rewrite basically all the game which would be like making the game new,the PS3 CPU was very powerful but hard,and Ubisoft benchmark showed that,it outdoes the Jaguar on PS4 in several things even just using 5 SPE.

So emulating certain parts of the game were a challenge,i play Tekken 3 on mame and it runs slow and that is basically a PS1 arcade board.

They are damn good at making game engines and graphics renderers, but I still doubt the PS4. Naughty Dog has stupidly high quality requirements and I don't think the PS4 has what it takes to hit that level of visual fidelity and maintain 1080p at 60 fps.

So, they don't know how to code for GPU, which is much easier than coding for SPE's, gotcha. And nope they weren't emulating the PS3, Naughty Duds job was to port the game and that's what they did. Learn the difference between porting and emulating, dumb dumb.

Actually Cell wasn't multithreaded. SPE's are vector processors not the main core. Vector processors =/= multi-core CPU's. The SPE's are more like GPU's compute unit except they don't have any of its advantages. So Cell was in no way, shape or form had 6 cores. Pretty damn sure ND won't have any advantage coming from developing off CELL for the multi-core CPU's. Thirdly Gabe Newell was damn right, when he said that developing for the PS3 has no benefit and was proven right by Sony's abandoning the Cell after PS3. All the effort to write code for PS3 went into the gutter and that's what Gabe initially said.

"Investing in the Cell, investing in the SPE gives you no long-term benefits. There's nothing there that you're going to apply to anything else. You're not going to gain anything except a hatred of the architecture they've created", Newell told Edge magazine.

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subpar graphics confirmed

or maybe lems should stop making excuses for lower numbers, you should just accept the fact that the xbone is weaker so they have to downgrade, weaker ram bandwith and weaker gpu mean you can't stream the same textures and draw the same on screen. If you coded the same game on each console the ps4 would result in bigger resolution, no matter how you want to spin it, carry on damage controlling my dear lem.

@clyde46: well actually that's because TLOU is still using the PS3 engine, it is not reworked ground up for the PS4 and so that is why it sometimes may nit be steady 60 FPS, they didn't have enough time to really rework the game fully ground up, had they did this the game would of looked even better even at same resolution and FPS.

LMAO @ the doubters.

How many times must ND slap the naysayers, especially the filthy lemmings.

TLHBO.

Of course developing for the Jaguar would be easy compared to CELL since they no longer has to deal with Cache coherency manually but that doesn't mean that since they were working on SPE's it helped them to write better multi-threaded code. The developers coming from 360 have much more experience with multithreaded code than exclusive PS3 devs, and none of the devs really utilized multi-threaded code previous gen fully. Most of the last generation games were optimized for two cores at max. and yes, even for ND extracting most out of Jaguar cores is not a breeze. All devs had to radically change their code to fully take advantge of the multi-core CPU because of low clock speeds.

And don't get your panties so tight, I was actually trolling El-Tomato rather than commenting on ND's capabilities really. :D

it's pre naughty dog game damage control time by lems, everytime they damage control and every time naughty gods destroy lems opinions, remember the last of us damage control? well i do, funny stuff.

Not a lem, PS4/PC/X1 gamer. It's just a fact, all those pretty games are no good. If they just focus on building the game and rendering as much as possible we can get next gen experiences. The X1 is weaker, I never denied that or was I arguing it at any point. That is you being defensive about your console.

The X1 is weaker, but not to the point to matter. Playing both you couldn't tell there was a power difference, Ryse is still the best looking game imo. The resolution is sometimes lower on the X1 but that isn't always the case, a lot are even at 1080p. The PS4 can squeeze some extra eye candy here and there, but it just isn't all that important to the gameplay experience. There will never be a game on the PS4 that is impossible on the X1, gameplay wise. They turn the shadows from high to medium and it will run. Its one graphics setting, sometimes a couple of frames per second. I mean we have seen instances of greater disparity but that was before the power boost and other optimizations.

The GPU is slower, but the ram isn't a factor (DDR3 ram +ESram is a good combo), and the x1 has a slightly faster CPU. You're not factoring in system design and architecture, which can make all the difference. The iPhone is usually weaker spec'd than other phones but always wins in benchmarks. B-b-b-but how is that possible...the numbers are bigger!?!? Yeah but the iPhone is optimized better.

That's not to say the PS4 is poorly optimized or anything, but factoring in a bunch of engineering that you certainly don't understand, the real world results are nearly identical. There is no game that proves the PS4 can do anything special that the X1 cannot.