My two biggest gripes with PC gaming

stop being a cheapskate a 5750 is unacceptable these days unless you're still at school with no personal income.SamiRDuran

[QUOTE="SamiRDuran"]stop being a cheapskate a 5750 is unacceptable these days unless you're still at school with no personal income.starjet905

Doesnt want to enjoy games because cant make a quick buck off them afterwards, stop beating about the bush. nothing to do with personal principles at all, its all about the money, consumers like to play the victim card when they are exactly the f****** same. Consumers forget that a company is a living group of consumers just like themselves. Meanwhile these team of artists, programmers and everything else in-between are slaving away with horrible crunch hours in a job industry where its "all or nothing", lay offs often ect due to lack of serious profit outside of blockbuster titles take great risk and earn less. Who would I rather buy from? the highly skilled work of programmers and artists, or just the middleman nothing sales assistants (and I should know, Im currently one of them, peice of **** of a job.)? Being a consumor does not mean a business should bend over backwards for you, people seem to forget this. All because the almighty self-entitled consumer wishes do go to a middle man sales assistant and trade thier game in for a fraction of its worth back.MBirdy88

Um, except that business are SUPPOSED to bend over backwards for the consumers. We're the sole reason they exist.

And I've yet to even beat Skyrim, nor get very far into it...I just didn't like it and now I'm stuck with it. Had I bought the same damn game on my PS3, I could have sold/traded it a long time ago.

If I want to go to gamespot and sell my copy of Skyrim for cheap, that should be MY choice...but for some reason PC developers don't seem to think I should get that choice. It's a good thing other industries haven't taken this stance with their products, otherwise I wouldn't have my car, my second monitor, my desk I'm currently using, the shorts I'm wearing right now, the couch my family uses, the house I'm currently living in, or any number of other used products.

PC gaming is anti-consumer, regardless of whatever spin you want to throw on it.

Expensive... nah.. I have spent more money this gen on each my 360 and PS3 then I have on my PC. And guess what.... I have bought over 250 more games for PC then I have ps3 and 360 combined!

PC gaming in the end is cheaper then console gaming. Cheaper games (steam sales),etc..

Plus you dont have to upgrade every month, you can go 4-5 years with only upgrading your GPU and be fine.

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"]Doesnt want to enjoy games because cant make a quick buck off them afterwards, stop beating about the bush. nothing to do with personal principles at all, its all about the money, consumers like to play the victim card when they are exactly the f****** same. Consumers forget that a company is a living group of consumers just like themselves. Meanwhile these team of artists, programmers and everything else in-between are slaving away with horrible crunch hours in a job industry where its "all or nothing", lay offs often ect due to lack of serious profit outside of blockbuster titles take great risk and earn less. Who would I rather buy from? the highly skilled work of programmers and artists, or just the middleman nothing sales assistants (and I should know, Im currently one of them, peice of **** of a job.)? Being a consumor does not mean a business should bend over backwards for you, people seem to forget this. All because the almighty self-entitled consumer wishes do go to a middle man sales assistant and trade thier game in for a fraction of its worth back.xxxLUGZxxx

Um, except that business are SUPPOSED to bend over backwards for the consumers. We're the sole reason they exist.

And I've yet to even beat Skyrim, nor get very far into it...I just didn't like it and now I'm stuck with it. Had I bought the same damn game on my PS3, I could have sold/traded it a long time ago.

If I want to go to gamespot and sell my copy of Skyrim for cheap, that should be MY choice...but for some reason PC developers don't seem to think I should get that choice. It's a good thing other industries haven't taken this stance with their products, otherwise I wouldn't have my car, my second monitor, my desk I'm currently using, the shorts I'm wearing right now, the couch my family uses, the house I'm currently living in, or any number of other used products.

PC gaming is anti-consumer, regardless of whatever spin you want to throw on it.

The cheaper prices of games on places like Steam justify paying for an upgrade to your pc, which I tend to do every 5 years.

And a lot of the games I buy are so much cheaper than a used game would be on a console

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"]Doesnt want to enjoy games because cant make a quick buck off them afterwards, stop beating about the bush. nothing to do with personal principles at all, its all about the money, consumers like to play the victim card when they are exactly the f****** same. Consumers forget that a company is a living group of consumers just like themselves. Meanwhile these team of artists, programmers and everything else in-between are slaving away with horrible crunch hours in a job industry where its "all or nothing", lay offs often ect due to lack of serious profit outside of blockbuster titles take great risk and earn less. Who would I rather buy from? the highly skilled work of programmers and artists, or just the middleman nothing sales assistants (and I should know, Im currently one of them, peice of **** of a job.)? Being a consumor does not mean a business should bend over backwards for you, people seem to forget this. All because the almighty self-entitled consumer wishes do go to a middle man sales assistant and trade thier game in for a fraction of its worth back.xxxLUGZxxx

Um, except that business are SUPPOSED to bend over backwards for the consumers. We're the sole reason they exist.

And I've yet to even beat Skyrim, nor get very far into it...I just didn't like it and now I'm stuck with it. Had I bought the same damn game on my PS3, I could have sold/traded it a long time ago.

If I want to go to gamespot and sell my copy of Skyrim for cheap, that should be MY choice...but for some reason PC developers don't seem to think I should get that choice. It's a good thing other industries haven't taken this stance with their products, otherwise I wouldn't have my car, my second monitor, my desk I'm currently using, the shorts I'm wearing right now, the couch my family uses, the house I'm currently living in, or any number of other used products.

PC gaming is anti-consumer, regardless of whatever spin you want to throw on it.

This is the kind of self entitlement that is rampant in the gaming community now. They want everything for nothing.

If you didn't like Skyrim you should have bought on impulse then. Waiting a few weeks and watching videos would give you a feel for exactly how the game is and given you an impression.

[QUOTE="xxxLUGZxxx"]

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"]Doesnt want to enjoy games because cant make a quick buck off them afterwards, stop beating about the bush. nothing to do with personal principles at all, its all about the money, consumers like to play the victim card when they are exactly the f****** same. Consumers forget that a company is a living group of consumers just like themselves. Meanwhile these team of artists, programmers and everything else in-between are slaving away with horrible crunch hours in a job industry where its "all or nothing", lay offs often ect due to lack of serious profit outside of blockbuster titles take great risk and earn less. Who would I rather buy from? the highly skilled work of programmers and artists, or just the middleman nothing sales assistants (and I should know, Im currently one of them, peice of **** of a job.)? Being a consumor does not mean a business should bend over backwards for you, people seem to forget this. All because the almighty self-entitled consumer wishes do go to a middle man sales assistant and trade thier game in for a fraction of its worth back.seanmcloughlin

Um, except that business are SUPPOSED to bend over backwards for the consumers. We're the sole reason they exist.

And I've yet to even beat Skyrim, nor get very far into it...I just didn't like it and now I'm stuck with it. Had I bought the same damn game on my PS3, I could have sold/traded it a long time ago.

If I want to go to gamespot and sell my copy of Skyrim for cheap, that should be MY choice...but for some reason PC developers don't seem to think I should get that choice. It's a good thing other industries haven't taken this stance with their products, otherwise I wouldn't have my car, my second monitor, my desk I'm currently using, the shorts I'm wearing right now, the couch my family uses, the house I'm currently living in, or any number of other used products.

PC gaming is anti-consumer, regardless of whatever spin you want to throw on it.

This is the kind of self entitlement that is rampant in the gaming community now. They want everything for nothing.

If you didn't like Skyrim you should have bought on impulse then. Waiting a few weeks and watching videos would give you a feel for exactly how the game is and given you an impression.

How is me wanting to have the ability to trade the games I paid for wanting something for nothing? I seem to remember paying $49.99 for Skyrim, so I got **** for nothing.

Oh well, I guess you have no interest in PC gaming being consumer friendly....and the publishers love your complacent attitude.

And yes, as a consumer, I feel entitled to 100% satisfaction. My dollars are bankrolling these big businesses...without my money they would be nothing. So yes, having high expectations is my duty as a consumer. In fact, the country developing such low expectations is a large reason why we're at the mercy of business, instead of it being the other way around like it should be.

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="xxxLUGZxxx"]

Um, except that business are SUPPOSED to bend over backwards for the consumers. We're the sole reason they exist.

And I've yet to even beat Skyrim, nor get very far into it...I just didn't like it and now I'm stuck with it. Had I bought the same damn game on my PS3, I could have sold/traded it a long time ago.

If I want to go to gamespot and sell my copy of Skyrim for cheap, that should be MY choice...but for some reason PC developers don't seem to think I should get that choice. It's a good thing other industries haven't taken this stance with their products, otherwise I wouldn't have my car, my second monitor, my desk I'm currently using, the shorts I'm wearing right now, the couch my family uses, the house I'm currently living in, or any number of other used products.

PC gaming is anti-consumer, regardless of whatever spin you want to throw on it.

xxxLUGZxxx

This is the kind of self entitlement that is rampant in the gaming community now. They want everything for nothing.

If you didn't like Skyrim you should have bought on impulse then. Waiting a few weeks and watching videos would give you a feel for exactly how the game is and given you an impression.

How is me wanting to have the ability to trade the games I paid for wanting something for nothing? I seem to remember paying $49.99 for Skyrim, so I got **** for nothing.

Oh well, I guess you have no interest in PC gaming being consumer friendly....and the publishers love your complacent attitude.

And yes, as a consumer, I feel entitled to 100% satisfaction. My dollars are bankrolling these big businesses...without my money they would be nothing. So yes, having high expectations is my duty as a consumer. In fact, the country developing such low expectations is a large reason why we're at the mercy of business, instead of it being the other way around like it should be.

[QUOTE="xxxLUGZxxx"]

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

This is the kind of self entitlement that is rampant in the gaming community now. They want everything for nothing.

If you didn't like Skyrim you should have bought on impulse then. Waiting a few weeks and watching videos would give you a feel for exactly how the game is and given you an impression.

MBirdy88

How is me wanting to have the ability to trade the games I paid for wanting something for nothing? I seem to remember paying $49.99 for Skyrim, so I got **** for nothing.

Oh well, I guess you have no interest in PC gaming being consumer friendly....and the publishers love your complacent attitude.

And yes, as a consumer, I feel entitled to 100% satisfaction. My dollars are bankrolling these big businesses...without my money they would be nothing. So yes, having high expectations is my duty as a consumer. In fact, the country developing such low expectations is a large reason why we're at the mercy of business, instead of it being the other way around like it should be.

So I guess EVERY other industry hs to deal with a used market, but somehow games are different? And a game cannot become used unless it was purchased new initially. Once that purchase occurs, that's all the developer is entitled to...they've made their money on that CD key, what I do with it afterwards is none of their god damn business.

But they've convinced a good amount of people that you shouldn't be able to do what you want wiith a product you purchased. I'll pray for all those sheeple buying into that crap.

There is no such thing as used software on the PC. That's how it's always been. Deal with it.

It's not greed, it's business. It's not anti-consumer at all. It eliminates a market that doesn't benifit the developers of software in ANY way at all.

Wasdie

Gamestop use to sell used PC games, also I got Diablo 2 and Warcraft 3 + TfT at a swap meat waaaay back in the day.

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="xxxLUGZxxx"]

How is me wanting to have the ability to trade the games I paid for wanting something for nothing? I seem to remember paying $49.99 for Skyrim, so I got **** for nothing.

Oh well, I guess you have no interest in PC gaming being consumer friendly....and the publishers love your complacent attitude.

And yes, as a consumer, I feel entitled to 100% satisfaction. My dollars are bankrolling these big businesses...without my money they would be nothing. So yes, having high expectations is my duty as a consumer. In fact, the country developing such low expectations is a large reason why we're at the mercy of business, instead of it being the other way around like it should be.

xxxLUGZxxx

So I guess EVERY other industry hs to deal with a used market, but somehow games are different? And a game cannot become used unless it was purchased new initially. Once that purchase occurs, that's all the developer is entitled to...they've made their money on that CD key, what I do with it afterwards is none of their god damn business.

But they've convinced a good amount of people that you shouldn't be able to do what you want wiith a product you purchased. I'll pray for all those sheeple buying into that crap.

[QUOTE="xxxLUGZxxx"]

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"] With PC Gaming I purchase a CD key, this cd key will mean I can play that game forever into the future (As every single game can be downloaded somewhere or other) .... what happens when I lose a console game? oh right I have to go buy a complete new copy because there is no licensing system in place to allow me to keep a hold of the license i payed for. Read the terms and conditions of software..... a licensed copy is to you and you alone. Video games on consoles have always been the one exception and they are looking at ways to prevent that now as well. There is a difference between "Consumer Freindly" and your personal desire to make money back on products you have used short or long term, wake up to the reality its a kick in the balls to have someone buy your product, use it alot, then trade it in so they lose a brand new customer to the middle men. If your honest you can always sell your CD Key, trouble is its hard to find honest people to do that with.MBirdy88

So I guess EVERY other industry hs to deal with a used market, but somehow games are different? And a game cannot become used unless it was purchased new initially. Once that purchase occurs, that's all the developer is entitled to...they've made their money on that CD key, what I do with it afterwards is none of their god damn business.

But they've convinced a good amount of people that you shouldn't be able to do what you want wiith a product you purchased. I'll pray for all those sheeple buying into that crap.

So what other industries don't have a used market? Yeah, I guess I can't go and take a half eaten appel and get my money back....you win there. But outside of food(a silly argument anyway), what else? the software industry is about he online one that believes their products shouldn't be subject to the used market...and it's reasons are completely anti-consumer, nothing else.

Fine, require a CD key to activate a game or whatever. But also give me the ability to DEACTIVATE my game, and trade/sell tha CD key. No piracy ensues, the developers still got their original sale, and that CD Key is still only being used by one person. But that's to the benefit of the consumer, and we can't have that can we?

Oh please shut up with the "Car Analogies" when your console games cant even be returned after use meanwhile millions of other products can. Software has the same returns policies as food for gods sake.... everything is different, comparable analogies across types of products is pointless.MBirdy88

Fact is without that CD KEY protection piracy would of been an even bigger issue. Hence why Console manufacturers and publishers are looking at ways to do the exact same thing as STEAM, Im guessing you will need a new hobby soon my freind. and NO, Business's are obligated to try thier best within boundaries to satisfy thier consumers, not bend over backwards AT THE EXPENSE OF THE BUSINESS, as that doesn't make any sense what so ever. and please get off your high horse, Consumers and Business need each other just as much. "WAAAH I WANT TO PLAY MY GAMES THEN RETURN THEM FOR MONEY AT A STORE AT THE EXPENSE OF THE DEVELOPERS, DESPITE PLAYING THE GAME A GOOD NUMBER OF HOURS". Dont care if you hate or didnt finish skyrim, if you feel that way then A) Research better before buying B) Try the game by means of a demo, sample or at a freinds before purchasing. Its like the idiots that I get in the shop no and then trying to return gift food ..... facepalm worthy. You cant sell on any other software on computers, why are games an exception? (Trying selling adobe stuff on :lol:)

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="xxxLUGZxxx"]

How is me wanting to have the ability to trade the games I paid for wanting something for nothing? I seem to remember paying $49.99 for Skyrim, so I got **** for nothing.

Oh well, I guess you have no interest in PC gaming being consumer friendly....and the publishers love your complacent attitude.

And yes, as a consumer, I feel entitled to 100% satisfaction. My dollars are bankrolling these big businesses...without my money they would be nothing. So yes, having high expectations is my duty as a consumer. In fact, the country developing such low expectations is a large reason why we're at the mercy of business, instead of it being the other way around like it should be.

xxxLUGZxxx

So I guess EVERY other industry hs to deal with a used market, but somehow games are different? And a game cannot become used unless it was purchased new initially. Once that purchase occurs, that's all the developer is entitled to...they've made their money on that CD key, what I do with it afterwards is none of their god damn business.

But they've convinced a good amount of people that you shouldn't be able to do what you want wiith a product you purchased. I'll pray for all those sheeple buying into that crap.

The company made the money on that CD key,sure. But by you trading it in it means that another person is going to buy it from a middle man,and they trade in it and another buys it and so on, cutting the funding to the publishers. Thus stopping them being able to pump lots of money into dev companies to make newer and better games.

Let's say, If there was no second hand market then the other person who wanted the game would have to buy it new thus generating more money to the publisher so that's two customers instead of the one it would have if you traded it in

I bought a PC that can play everything for $600 in 2009, and I bought 150 games for it for around $500.

It's pretty much made used games a non-issue for me when I can game so cheaply without them.

I bought a PC that can play everything for $600 in 2009, and I bought 150 games for it for around $500.

It's pretty much made used games a non-issue for me when I can game so cheaply without them.

Raymundo_Manuel

Short and simple:

Cost: Yes, PC gaming is more expensive, so it causes issues with my performance at times. I'm still rocking a 5750, and would like to upgrade, but I just can't justify spending nearly $200 just for an upgrade...and that's not including my wifes PC that I would also upgrade.

No used games: There's no reason why I shouldn't be able to sell my used PC games. For example, I picked up Skyrim awhile back, but just couldn't get into it. Now I'm stuck with a $60 game that's going to rot on my steam account. Why can't I deactivate the game via Steam and trade it to someone? There's only ONE reason: greed. It's completely anti-consumer, and really makes me hesitant to buy many PC games.

Those two reasons alone are why I still lean towards console gaming as the best USER experience, because it's more consumer friendly. They're also why I love Blizzard games, because I never have to worry about their games sucking, and I know my budget PC will be able to get tons of performance out of their games.

xxxLUGZxxx

1.) It's not that there isn't a used market for PC games, its that there isn't a used market for digitally downloaded games, I can trade a retail PC game, but not a digital one, same with consoles, I can't trade my copy of Crackdown I downloaded from Xbox Live.

2.) Upgrading is not a PC exclusive problem, let's say you and your wife owned Xbox 360's (two of them), you wanna play new games when the new Xbox comes out, guess what? You would have to pay hundreds to upgrade both of your console game experiences. This is especially relevant considering that a good PC will last almost a whole console generation without needinng an upgrade.

op is just mad because he bought something he didn't like. It happens to all of us man, I've bought lots of crap over the years. Only one crap game from Steam but it was on sale for $10 you live and learn. DO MORE RESEARCH. enough is never enough.

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

Hate to say but piracy is the original solution to "but what if I don't like the game?"

Yeah that's why you pirate it first, check it out, then if you like it you buy it.

Imagine if you were expected to buy songs but couldn't hear them first.

"Pay me $2 for this song." But but....can I hear it? "No, that's illegal."

That's PC gaming in a nutshell and why it has never really took off in a mass consumer way.

Because it doesn't serve mass consumer needs to sample what they're buying.

"Buy this shoe, but you can't try it on first."

What???

"Buy this prosciotto but you can't have a taste."

What???

PC devs are basically capitalist dumbasses who think f*cking over their customers is more profitable than serving them.

Crazyguy105

Good God. LOL

That's actually very true. And I don't usually agree with ZombieKiller posts.

[QUOTE="SamiRDuran"]stop being a cheapskate a 5750 is unacceptable these days unless you're still at school with no personal income.starjet905

he is telling the truth :?

I guess telling the truth makes you moron in this forums...

[QUOTE="Crazyguy105"]

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

Hate to say but piracy is the original solution to "but what if I don't like the game?"

Yeah that's why you pirate it first, check it out, then if you like it you buy it.

Imagine if you were expected to buy songs but couldn't hear them first.

"Pay me $2 for this song." But but....can I hear it? "No, that's illegal."

That's PC gaming in a nutshell and why it has never really took off in a mass consumer way.

Because it doesn't serve mass consumer needs to sample what they're buying.

"Buy this shoe, but you can't try it on first."

What???

"Buy this prosciotto but you can't have a taste."

What???

PC devs are basically capitalist dumbasses who think f*cking over their customers is more profitable than serving them.

nunovlopes

Good God. LOL

That's actually very true. And I don't usually agree with ZombieKiller posts.

That's true, and a good solution would be if most digital distributors like Steam allowed ALL of their games to have a trial, like Onlive or Xbox live arcade games, you could have a time-limited access to the full game, then you could buy it to own it permanently and to get full access to the game files for modding. That way, the only people who would pirate are the actual a-holes who would just steal games indiscriminately, and maybe people in countries with no access to the game.

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

[QUOTE="Crazyguy105"]

Good God. LOL

Stalkerfieldsis

That's actually very true. And I don't usually agree with ZombieKiller posts.

That's true, and a good solution would be if most digital distributors like Steam allowed ALL of their games to have a trial, like Onlive or Xbox live arcade games, you could have a time-limited access to the full game, then you could buy it to own it permanently and to get full access to the game files for modding. That way, the only people who would pirate are the actual a-holes who would just steal games indiscriminately, and maybe people in countries with no access to the game.

Precisely.

Developers probably think that demos are not a good idea because you might try a demo, don't like the game and don't buy it. If you don't have demos some people will be lured into buying not knowing if they'll like it or not. Of course they're idiots because people that genuinely want to try the game first will find a way, aka piracy.

The company made the money on that CD key,sure. But by you trading it in it means that another person is going to buy it from a middle man,and they trade in it and another buys it and so on, cutting the funding to the publishers. Thus stopping them being able to pump lots of money into dev companies to make newer and better games.

Let's say, If there was no second hand market then the other person who wanted the game would have to buy it new thus generating more money to the publisher so that's two customers instead of the one it would have if you traded it inseanmcloughlin

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

The company made the money on that CD key,sure. But by you trading it in it means that another person is going to buy it from a middle man,and they trade in it and another buys it and so on, cutting the funding to the publishers. Thus stopping them being able to pump lots of money into dev companies to make newer and better games.

Let's say, If there was no second hand market then the other person who wanted the game would have to buy it new thus generating more money to the publisher so that's two customers instead of the one it would have if you traded it inSciFiRPGfan

I agree to that. I am not going to pretend I know all the ins and outs of a business.

My solution is reduce the price of games so that people will buy them first hand more. Although that probably wouldn't work either because, like you said, they still won't take the risk

Quick thought...$200 video card is like getting a new console for you!demi0227_basic

Pretty much, $2-$500 console every 5 years or so = $2-500 PC upgrade every 5 years or so

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="TheShadowLord07"]oh yes there is. any game doesnt require steam,orign, or gfwl can be bought used.

Wasdie

Yep, I've bought used PC games on Amazon

Then you go to play it and the guy is still using the CD key online and you can't play, or the CD key was tied to an online account years ago rendering half the game uselesss.

The secondhand market on the PC is tiny and has been full of annoyances from day one.

[QUOTE="demi0227_basic"]Quick thought...$200 video card is like getting a new console for you!Stalkerfieldsis

Pretty much, $2-$500 console every 5 years or so = $2-500 PC upgrade every 5 years or so

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="TheShadowLord07"]oh yes there is. any game doesnt require steam,orign, or gfwl can be bought used.

Wasdie

Yep, I've bought used PC games on Amazon

Then you go to play it and the guy is still using the CD key online and you can't play, or the CD key was tied to an online account years ago rendering half the game uselesss.

The secondhand market on the PC is tiny and has been full of annoyances from day one.

[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

[QUOTE="demi0227_basic"]Quick thought...$200 video card is like getting a new console for you!savagetwinkie

Pretty much, $2-$500 console every 5 years or so = $2-500 PC upgrade every 5 years or so

Huh? That's hardly the most expensive piece of upgrade, nor is it particularly expensive at all.

PC gaming is also very uncomfortable. You forgot that op. Evo_nine

PC gaming is also very uncomfortable. You forgot that op. Evo_nine

[QUOTE="Evo_nine"]PC gaming is also very uncomfortable. You forgot that op. zeta

inb4 can't play on couch

[QUOTE="zeta"][QUOTE="Evo_nine"]PC gaming is also very uncomfortable. You forgot that op. Masenkoe

inb4 can't play on couch

Hate to say but piracy is the original solution to "but what if I don't like the game?"

Yeah that's why you pirate it first, check it out, then if you like it you buy it.

Imagine if you were expected to buy songs but couldn't hear them first.

"Pay me $2 for this song." But but....can I hear it? "No, that's illegal."

That's PC gaming in a nutshell and why it has never really took off in a mass consumer way.

Because it doesn't serve mass consumer needs to sample what they're buying.

"Buy this shoe, but you can't try it on first."

What???

"Buy this prosciotto but you can't have a taste."

What???

PC devs are basically capitalist dumbasses who think f*cking over their customers is more profitable than serving them.

ZombieKiller7

[QUOTE="Crazyguy105"]

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

Hate to say but piracy is the original solution to "but what if I don't like the game?"

Yeah that's why you pirate it first, check it out, then if you like it you buy it.

Imagine if you were expected to buy songs but couldn't hear them first.

"Pay me $2 for this song." But but....can I hear it? "No, that's illegal."

That's PC gaming in a nutshell and why it has never really took off in a mass consumer way.

Because it doesn't serve mass consumer needs to sample what they're buying.

"Buy this shoe, but you can't try it on first."

What???

"Buy this prosciotto but you can't have a taste."

What???

PC devs are basically capitalist dumbasses who think f*cking over their customers is more profitable than serving them.

nunovlopes

Good God. LOL

That's actually very true. And I don't usually agree with ZombieKiller posts.

Via statistics, that's actually very wrong.

MS Windows PC actually is the mainstream computer.

2011 data http://newzoo.com/templates/dispatcher.asp?page_id=1589

Gamers per platforms:

Social networks: 76 Million

Casual websites: 115 Million

Mobile devices: 75 Million

MMO games: 52 Million

Console games: 82 Million

PC/Mac boxed: 71 Million

PC/Mac download: 73 Million

As single gaming platform, the PC is the largest platform.

There is no such thing as used software on the PC. That's how it's always been. Deal with it.

It's not greed, it's business. It's not anti-consumer at all. It eliminates a market that doesn't benifit the developers of software in ANY way at all.

Wasdie

Actually, Windows PC is the largest gaming platform that includes mass consumer/casual gaming. ronvalencia

I see the statistics but I don't see it in reality.

Mainly because statistics count people I don't consider to be gamers, much less PC gamers.

My girlfriend's not a gamer, she's on Facebook every night.

Statistics count her as a "mainstream PC gamer" because she plays Farmville.

And then there's millions of people who don't play anything other than WoW.

Meanwhile you go talk to people, nobody seems to PC game, the scene is just dead right now.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]Actually, Windows PC is the largest gaming platform that includes mass consumer/casual gaming. ZombieKiller7

I see the statistics but I don't see it in reality.

Mainly because statistics count people I don't consider to be gamers, much less PC gamers.

My girlfriend's not a gamer, she's on Facebook every night.

Statistics count her as a "mainstream PC gamer" because she plays Farmville.

And then there's millions of people who don't play anything other than WoW.

Meanwhile you go talk to people, nobody seems to PC game, the scene is just dead right now.

Did you even read the second panel?

Casual website and social network gaming was separated from PC MMO, PC Box and PC DD.

The PC has $6.9 billion against 8.0 billion for entire consoles (Wii, Xbox 360, PS3). If we divide 8 billion into 3 consoles you get 2.67 billion.

For software ecosystem, MS DirectX platforms beats Wii/DS and PS3/PSP.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]Actually, Windows PC is the largest gaming platform that includes mass consumer/casual gaming. ZombieKiller7

I see the statistics but I don't see it in reality.

Mainly because statistics count people I don't consider to be gamers, much less PC gamers.

My girlfriend's not a gamer, she's on Facebook every night.

Statistics count her as a "mainstream PC gamer" because she plays Farmville.

And then there's millions of people who don't play anything other than WoW.

Meanwhile you go talk to people, nobody seems to PC game, the scene is just dead right now.

I also see a lot of kiddies who are limited to games like Plant and Zombies on the 360. They shouldn't be counted either then. I always saw a crowd gaming on laptops in the cafeteria during breaks last semester. PC gaming is very far from dead from where I am.

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[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]Actually, Windows PC is the largest gaming platform that includes mass consumer/casual gaming. jun_aka_pekto

I see the statistics but I don't see it in reality.

Mainly because statistics count people I don't consider to be gamers, much less PC gamers.

My girlfriend's not a gamer, she's on Facebook every night.

Statistics count her as a "mainstream PC gamer" because she plays Farmville.

And then there's millions of people who don't play anything other than WoW.

Meanwhile you go talk to people, nobody seems to PC game, the scene is just dead right now.

I also see a lot of kiddies who are limited to games like Plant and Zombies on the 360. They shouldn't be counted either then.