June is do or die for Iwata and the Wii U

Yeah, they didn't want the likes of Eternal Darkness, Geist, and Bayonetta 2 to work, that's why they... poured funding into them. Seriously, if they didn't then they wouldn't have bothered to have touched those games.

A little dramatic, but people have to remember their handheld is still doing well, if QoL takes off they may just drop their console & run with handheld & QoL so its not like they're gonna drop gaming altogether. :p

Would be too early to pull the plug, and the damage doing so would do to the companies name brand would be long lasting and devastating. Even if it is a low seller with few worthy games it's better they see it through than turn tail.

@MirkoS77: They went out of their way to clarify that qol isn't going to shift their focus away from gaming yet we're still getting posts like this

To be honest though, I recall Nintendo saying they'd still support the GBA even if the DS is released. Heck, GameCube had late projects in development by Nintendo, but those moved on to the Wii. And the fact that Nintendo has moved businesses before, I wouldn't say Mirko is THAT far off, as much as I disagree with the guy.

"Do or die" for the Wii U has already passed. That needs to go away, along with the idea that Nintendo will pull a Sega and drop the Wii U early in favor of releasing new band-aid hardware.

Iwata has been in the hot seat since Wii U launched. It shouldn't come as a surprise that his position is in danger.

That has to be the stupidest thing I've read on here in quite some time.

Ohhhh yeah, Nintendo just wanted to burn millions of development dollars for the hell of it. Nobody does that. You develop a game so that it will make you money. It doesn't always work out, though.

Please THINK!

because people don't know how fun it is..

lol

@nintendoboy16: them shifting platforms doesn't equate to them shifting away from gaming entierly. Thats a massive leap of logic

@FoxbatAlpha said:

@IMAHAPYHIPPO said:

@FoxbatAlpha said:

Never, ever will that happen. Keep dreaming fanboy.

Search your feelings, you know it be true.

That cracked me up.

But, like I also said, Nintendo switched businesses before (and it's better that than the other option).

A lot of what you said about the PS4 is simply untrue and a lot of it is completely irrelevant. It doesn't matter if the PS4 has 4k video support when 4k videos are all but nonexistent and almost nobody has a 4k tv. The game streaming service is going to be available on tvs, phones, and pcs. That's like having Netflix. PSN+ is the most unappealing aspect of the PS4. The PS4 currently has the least exclusives of all of the next-gen consoles and it is looking like that will be the case for at least a couple more years. You might think the price point of the console is great, but when you add the annual fee, the only console ever released that has cost more than the PS4 is the Xbone.

@nintendoboy16: how long ago was that exactly? Do you think video games were as big of a business back then compared to now? Do you seriously think nintendo will pass up the empire they've built for themselves?

@FoxbatAlpha said:

TWO FUCKED COPANYS=SUPER FUCKED

You never know. Considering at this point, people consider Sony to have taken over this "empire". Obviously, I don't want Nintendo out of gaming, but I'm picking a better poison (I've said this to Mirko and I'll say this to you, it's not like gaming's going to go anywhere with Nintendo gone). It may have been years since they've switched businesses, but don't act like they won't do it again.

@chronoschris said:

@FoxbatAlpha:

@Gaming-Planet said:

@FoxbatAlpha said:

Gross.

Mario isn't going near with you brodudes.

Indeed, xboners would treat Nintendo franchises like garbage as would Microsoft themselves. Although Nintendo still does have a alternative if they ever decide to quit the console business. Playstation gamers will welcome them with open arms and treat them with respect they deserve.

lol NO! :| (I need a gif of that)

@nintendoboy16: as long as there's an audience for mario, pokemon, zelda etc nintendo is going to stay in gaming. They're stubborn but not stupid to throw all that money away on some unproven qol venture

Good luck to 'em.

Even though they did stupid things before? Where will all that Mario/Zelda/Pokemon demand go IF they do drop hardware? It would take time before they would perform an exit like that, you know.

@nintendoboy16: exactly, if theres money to be made in gaming they aren't going to exit. The qol will just be making them money on the side

Lol

@FoxbatAlpha said:

It's more likely they would side with Sony honestly or go Full Multiplatform. I just don't see an xbox acquisition every happening particularly in part to Japanese business laws, no matter how sorry the state of Microsoft's 1st part is.

@Shinobishyguy:

What do you expect from a community that does nothing but want Nintendo to die? Nintendo never gets respect no matter what they do and when they do what people want, people just become arrogant and blab about wanting said games on their consoles.

Nintendo's biggest problem is one of inflated expectations. The Wii sold 100 million units, so investors look to them for another 100 million unit platform, when the expectations should be closer to the 20-30 million range achieved by their two previous consoles. The Wii was a gimmick-driven cultural phenomenon, and unfortunately companies can't just dial one of those up on command. Unfortunately, its success has skewed the perception of Nintendo's prospects in the console arena and inflated its stock price.

It also inflated Nintendo's expenditures. With the money pouring in from the Wii (and money printing DS), Nintendo grew the payroll of its studios and spent considerable sums on R&D for products that gave little return on investment, or were canned all together. Thus, the Nintendo that could remain profitable in the Gamecube era now needs a diet to return to profitability.

The WiiU isn't going to turn around into a contender this gen. Nintendo may never even sniff the install base off the Wii with a home console ever again. With expectations and expenditures in line however, Nintendo can be a profitable company with a modest WiiU install base and its juggernaut handheld business.

...Of course, if investors Could pressure Nintendo into dropping out of the home console hardware business, I'd be all for it. Console hardware in the best circumstances isn't much of a revenue generator, and the software royalties they collect on third party games has become less and less of a factor to their bottom line, for obvious reasons. Can you imagine the sales boost a Nintendo free to peddle their iconic franchises on other platforms would receive by expanding their potential audience from the few million on their current hardware, to a couple hundred million gamers on 7th and/or 8th gen hardware down the line? And nothing about such an arrangement would preclude Nintendo from maintaining their wildly successful handheld business, reaping all the benefits of platform ownership in an arena where no one has ever mounted a serious challenge to them, thereby giving them more ability to dictate terms. It's never going to happen with current Nintendo leadership, but I can certainly see it as a potential way forward if Nintendo is intent on growing revenues for shareholders in the future.

How does wanting Nintendo games on more platforms equate to wanting Nintendo to die?

I know, System Wars and all that, but you guys are way too attached to what box your games go into.

@FoxbatAlpha said:

Not in your life kid, Nintendo would rather leave the industry if they werent allowed to touch gaming like they had

"and the Wii U"

Not really, the worst case scenario is Iwata getting fired, but the most biggest and most stupidest thing to ever happen is if he gets replaced by a moron who just wants to give in to those shitty share holders and go mobile.

There are other reasons to why the WiiU is not selling and I think Iwata already knows some of these reasons.And nintendo will be fine. in the long run.

Well, they definitely need to show some new games. We already know we're going to see the new Zelda there, Retro Studios is working on something new so maybe we'll see that too, a new Metroid isn't out of the question, and then there's Miyamoto's new IP he's been busy with for the past year.

Doomed

Do I have to repeat what I was saying in another argument again? Something I've said continually in past threads?

It would be a good idea to have a text document handy with rebuttals for repeat arguments, if you haven't already. Saves time.

No matter what, the outdated weak hardware of the Wii U and poor third party support and not having next gen engine games are not going to change.
Nintendo's aim was to replicate Wii but it backfired as the casuals and soccer moms have turned their backs to em.
They will give the same old cartoon kid orientated games for the kiddies and Nintendo fans, thats what they do.
Gaming is increasing on mobiles, not just on 3DS and Vita but the iOS and Android way

Why is Nintendo the one being held to high standards for E3? It's not like the other consoles have a robust line up already announced. MS and Sony are in same boat.

When you are the crown jewel of console gaming, you have certain expectations to live up to.

Yet, when they have history of disappointment to the point that it's hard to call them a "crown jewel", you'd THINK they'd drop the high expectations.

They are still the best by a wide margin, disappointments or no.

If they die, they die.

@ReadingRainbow4 said:

@FoxbatAlpha said:

It's more likely they would side with Sony honestly or go Full Multiplatform. I just don't see an xbox acquisition every happening particularly in part to Japanese business laws, no matter how sorry the state of Microsoft's 1st part is.

Microsoft would just take alot of the first party games and scrap the rest. IMO.

It's probably time for Iwata to hand over his position to a new CEO more in touch with the fans... Please understand.

@FoxbatAlpha said:

@ReadingRainbow4 said:

@FoxbatAlpha said:

It's more likely they would side with Sony honestly or go Full Multiplatform. I just don't see an xbox acquisition every happening particularly in part to Japanese business laws, no matter how sorry the state of Microsoft's 1st part is.

Microsoft would just take alot of the first party games and scrap the rest. IMO.

What would MS even want with Nintendo IPs? They make very few 1st party games and any studios they acquire are often re-purposed or shut down.

They might add Mario into their routine because of his iconic and recognizable status, but Metroid, Zelda, DK, Fire Emblem, Pokemon, Kirby, and Pikmin have no place in MS's world.

@Sword-Demon said:

@FoxbatAlpha said:

@ReadingRainbow4 said:

@FoxbatAlpha said:

It's more likely they would side with Sony honestly or go Full Multiplatform. I just don't see an xbox acquisition every happening particularly in part to Japanese business laws, no matter how sorry the state of Microsoft's 1st part is.

Microsoft would just take alot of the first party games and scrap the rest. IMO.

What would MS even want with Nintendo IPs? They make very few 1st party games and any studios they acquire are often re-purposed or shut down.

They might add Mario into their routine because of his iconic and recognizable status, but Metroid, Zelda, DK, Fire Emblem, Pokemon, Kirby, and Pikmin have no place in MS's world.

They need another team to work on Kinect games.

One way or another Rare will find it's way back to Nintendo!

somehow, I doubt the investors' choice for a replacement would be anymore in touch with the fans than Iwata is.

I don't want someone who will go mobile or 3rd party like the investors are proposing, I want someone who will bring back the Nintendo that everyone loved.

@Sword-Demon said:

@FoxbatAlpha said:

@ReadingRainbow4 said:

@FoxbatAlpha said:

It's more likely they would side with Sony honestly or go Full Multiplatform. I just don't see an xbox acquisition every happening particularly in part to Japanese business laws, no matter how sorry the state of Microsoft's 1st part is.

Microsoft would just take alot of the first party games and scrap the rest. IMO.

What would MS even want with Nintendo IPs? They make very few 1st party games and any studios they acquire are often re-purposed or shut down.

They might add Mario into their routine because of his iconic and recognizable status, but Metroid, Zelda, DK, Fire Emblem, Pokemon, Kirby, and Pikmin have no place in MS's world.

Chris Seavor (formerly of Rare) noted something funny about that.

@nintendoboy16 said:

@Sword-Demon said:

@FoxbatAlpha said:

@ReadingRainbow4 said:

@FoxbatAlpha said:

It's more likely they would side with Sony honestly or go Full Multiplatform. I just don't see an xbox acquisition every happening particularly in part to Japanese business laws, no matter how sorry the state of Microsoft's 1st part is.

Microsoft would just take alot of the first party games and scrap the rest. IMO.

What would MS even want with Nintendo IPs? They make very few 1st party games and any studios they acquire are often re-purposed or shut down.

They might add Mario into their routine because of his iconic and recognizable status, but Metroid, Zelda, DK, Fire Emblem, Pokemon, Kirby, and Pikmin have no place in MS's world.

Chris Seavor (formerly of Rare) noted something funny about that.

I kinda remember something about that who DK debacle. You might want to check before you buy next time MS.

Yes, that's exactly what I mean about being in touch with the fans. Like the new Square Enix president said some days ago, if you keep chasing the casual riches at the expense of your core fanbase, you'll end up losing both in the process. Selling-out to mobile devices or going 3rd-party is not what most core Nintendo fans would want. To win back both their core fans, they just need to do for the Wii U what they did with the 3DS: develop a strong steady stream of quality titles and win back as much 3rd-party support as possible.

Stupid is it then why has nintendo failed at selling 3rd party games on the n64,GC,wii and wii u ??

Do you think 3rd parties just hate nintendo if so then why???