If you wii haters are 'real gamers', here are some 'real games' (no 56k)

[QUOTE="chutup"]

13. Soul Calibur Legends

14.Dragon Blade: Wrath of Fire

NorthlandMan

Above are examples of why this is a list of fail

Fixed it for ya.

You'd be hard pressed to find a more casual racer than Mario Kart. Did you hear Reggies comment on it at E3? it went something like this: "New players will be bumper to bumper with experienced players". That means that it takes very little skill to play.dracula_16

He was talking about the range of control styles available and the familiarity of the Wii Wheel.

As for having little skill to play, it may be easy to begin with, but it's hard to master.

the problem with WII is,

when you swing the "nunchaku" , it tries to match a predefined, animated , collision detected move , and it has nothing to do with you style of swinging...

for example

i am 190 cm tall person, when i swing , my attack should land to myfoe's head most of the time, but it does not! insde the game, i am a 100cm tall game character , when i do a paralel swing , i only damage my foe's torso , no throat...

its that kind of a poor technology and it is a lie, and they cheat the non-gamers...

plus it s graphics are CRAP! it resembles n64.

plus it s graphics are CRAP! it resembles n64.Crystall3d

No, you're blatantly wrong. Please stop wasting internet space with comments such as these.

[quote="chutup"]

6. Metroid Prime 3: Corruption

Another big hitter which I don't need to explain. One thing though: If one more person tells me that stacking beams and transforming into a super form is 'casual', I won't be responsible for my actions.0rin

Metroid isn't really designed for multiplayer. It hasn't got the controls, vehiclesor weapons you need for good multiplayer. You can't crouch or lie down, for instance, and for practical purposes there are only 4 different weapons, none of them automatic. Multiplayer needs automatic weapons. Metroid is designed for singleplayer.

[quote="chutup"]

6. Metroid Prime 3: Corruption

Another big hitter which I don't need to explain. One thing though: If one more person tells me that stacking beams and transforming into a super form is 'casual', I won't be responsible for my actions.0rin

Metroid isn't really designed for multiplayer. It hasn't got the controls, vehiclesor weapons you need for good multiplayer. You can't crouch or lie down, for instance, and for practical purposes there are only 4 different weapons, none of them automatic. Multiplayer needs automatic weapons. Metroid is designed for singleplayer.

The only games there that intrigue me even a little bit, are MP3 and Dragon Blade, but I am hardly going to go out and buy a Wii for those 2 games. As MP3 looks just like the first 2, and I have been there and done that. Dragon Blade, however, looks to be a genuinely 'good' game....but nothing spectacular at all.

Anyway, not trying to be mean here, but by and large, most of those titles just look like a mish mash of total low quality production games by today's standards. Low cost production games, that can be cashed in on by using the Wiimote as the selling point. That is why developers love the Wii so much.

As a matter of fact, as far as graphics go, they look like something that you would have seen released back on the Dreamcast (just a graphical comparison here, obviously not a sales comparison, lol.)Which was a great system, I own one. But we are talking visuals from the year 2000 or so here, and the fact that the Wii so far has hardly shown graphics that are on par with the Xbox is pretty disturbing by today's standards. Super Mario Galaxy being the only title worthy of exception here, as it looks really nice.

The point being though, is that like it or not, graphics DO matter as time progresses. And in my opinion, a trendy new controller cannot make up for the loss of immersion that is provided by a beautifully rendered game.....that also has quality gameplay with a standard control. That is just me though. There is just no way that I am willing to sacrifice overall quality and advancement in realism in games for a trendy new controller, so that I can play lower quality games in a different way. To each their own though.

most of those games look good/decent. THe great ones look to be only the big three and no more heroes in my opinion. Im not saying the wii has no games, its just if you look at the ps3/360/pc library, you cant deny the fact that there is more games, more innovative/new game ideas/concepts etc.

Here is the list I'm looking into for this year to buy. All these games look pretty promising for the Wii.

July 30, 2007 Mario Strikers Charged
Q3 2007 Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock
October 29, 2007 Battalion Wars 2
October 2007 Manhunt 2
November 12, 2007 Super Mario Galaxy
November 13, 2007 WWE SmackDown! vs. Raw 2008
December 3, 2007 Super Smash Bros. Brawl
TBA 2007 Animal Crossing Wii
TBA 2007 TNA iMPACT!
TBA 2007 Trauma Center: New Blood

I see no "kid" games as you guys say that are coming out for the Wii that "we all want". Just because Animal Crossing Wii, may have the type of graphics that may attract a child of the age of 3. Does not mean that the game is for children. It is simply a fun long, lasting game.

Sure the Wii's graphics may be jaggy but while you are in the middle of the game you don't notice this kind of stuff as you are having too much fun playing the games. Don't get me wrong I love playing my friends 360, like Lost Planet, and their realistic sports games. But I still think Wii is a solid system for this year. For example look at the difference between the Gamecube graphics compared to Wii graphics. Games like Melee and Brawl, there is no doubt that there is change there.

[QUOTE="Eponique"][QUOTE="hamidious"]

Why are games like De Blob andDewy's adventure on this list? Plus Zack and Wiki and Crystal Chronicles are casual games. Soul Calibre Legends and Dragon Blade seem mediocre (not to mention the real Final Fantasy and Soul Calibre games are coming to PS3). Meanwhile, don't expect to see disaster and project hammer soon, as they are not casual enough and resources have been shifted for more "casual" games.

Enjoy the casual experience, only on Wii.

subrosian

I LOL'd at this post.

Dragon Quest isn't considered hardcore? My brain iz teh confuzled.:?

Some of those games look like a lot of fun. :)

Anyhow, in my humble opinion good graphics can only take immersion so far. After you get past the "OMGWTF!!" factor you start to realize: "Hey, this is the same game I playing 5-10 years ago." At least that's how I am. :P

Where's Manhunt 2?

Anyway, that list is pretty good, but nothing's going to stop haters from hating. Most of them made up their minds to hate the system before the system's launch.

Here is the list I'm looking into for this year to buy. All these games look pretty promising for the Wii.

July 30, 2007 Mario Strikers Charged
Q3 2007 Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock
October 29, 2007 Battalion Wars 2
October 2007 Manhunt 2
November 12, 2007 Super Mario Galaxy
November 13, 2007 WWE SmackDown! vs. Raw 2008
December 3, 2007 Super Smash Bros. Brawl
TBA 2007 Animal Crossing Wii
TBA 2007 TNA iMPACT!
TBA 2007 Trauma Center: New Blood

I see no "kid" games as you guys say that are coming out for the Wii that "we all want". Just because Animal Crossing Wii, may have the type of graphics that may attract a child of the age of 3. Does not mean that the game is for children. It is simply a fun long, lasting game.

Sure the Wii's graphics may be jaggy but while you are in the middle of the game you don't notice this kind of stuff as you are having too much fun playing the games. Don't get me wrong I love playing my friends 360, like Lost Planet, and their realistic sports games. But I still think Wii is a solid system for this year. For example look at the difference between the Gamecube graphics compared to Wii graphics. Games like Melee and Brawl, there is no doubt that there is change there.

DiscordDut

Is that it? :twisted:

July 24- Alien Syndrome
July 30- Mario Strikers: Charged
August 7- Boogie
August 14- Madden NFL 2008
August 20- Mercury Meltdown Revolution
August 27- Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
August 28- Tiger Woods: PGA Tour 08
September 4- Dewy's Adventure
September 11- Brothers in Arms: Double Time
September 18- MySims
September 25- Dance Dance Revolution: Hottest Party w/ Dance Pad bundle
September - Disaster: Day of Crisis
Q3 2007 - Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock
Fall 2007 - Zack& Wiki: Quest for Barbados' Treasure
October 29- Batallion Wars 2
October 29- Endless Ocean
October 2007- Wii Music
October 2007- Manhunt 2
October 2007- Resident Evil: Umberella Chronicles
November 6- Ghost Squad
November 6- Soul Calibur Legends
November 12- Super Mario Galaxy
November 13- Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 3
November 13- NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams
November 13- Rayman Raving Rabbids 2
November 13- WWE Smackdown vs. Raw 2008
November 20-Mario & Sonic at the Olympics
November 2007- Fire Emblem: Goddess of Dawn
November 2007- Harvest Moon Heroes
November 2007- Medal of Honor Heroes 2
December3- Super Smash Bros. Brawl

[QUOTE="DiscordDut"]

Here is the list I'm looking into for this year to buy. All these games look pretty promising for the Wii.

July 30, 2007 Mario Strikers Charged
Q3 2007 Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock
October 29, 2007 Battalion Wars 2
October 2007 Manhunt 2
November 12, 2007 Super Mario Galaxy
November 13, 2007 WWE SmackDown! vs. Raw 2008
December 3, 2007 Super Smash Bros. Brawl
TBA 2007 Animal Crossing Wii
TBA 2007 TNA iMPACT!
TBA 2007 Trauma Center: New Blood

I see no "kid" games as you guys say that are coming out for the Wii that "we all want". Just because Animal Crossing Wii, may have the type of graphics that may attract a child of the age of 3. Does not mean that the game is for children. It is simply a fun long, lasting game.

Sure the Wii's graphics may be jaggy but while you are in the middle of the game you don't notice this kind of stuff as you are having too much fun playing the games. Don't get me wrong I love playing my friends 360, like Lost Planet, and their realistic sports games. But I still think Wii is a solid system for this year. For example look at the difference between the Gamecube graphics compared to Wii graphics. Games like Melee and Brawl, there is no doubt that there is change there.

Eponique

Is that it? :twisted:

July 24- Alien Syndrome
July 30- Mario Strikers: Charged
August 7- Boogie
August 14- Madden NFL 2008
August 20- Mercury Meltdown Revolution
August 27- Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
August 28- Tiger Woods: PGA Tour 08
September 4- Dewy's Adventure
September 11- Brothers in Arms: Double Time
September 18- MySims
September 25- Dance Dance Revolution: Hottest Party w/ Dance Pad bundle
September - Disaster: Day of Crisis
Q3 2007 - Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock
Fall 2007 - Zack& Wiki: Quest for Barbados' Treasure
October 29- Batallion Wars 2
October 29- Endless Ocean
October 2007- Wii Music
October 2007- Manhunt 2
October 2007- Resident Evil: Umberella Chronicles
November 6- Ghost Squad
November 6- Soul Calibur Legends
November 12- Super Mario Galaxy
November 13- Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 3
November 13- NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams
November 13- Rayman Raving Rabbids 2
November 13- WWE Smackdown vs. Raw 2008
November 20-Mario & Sonic at the Olympics
November 2007- Fire Emblem: Goddess of Dawn
November 2007- Harvest Moon Heroes
November 2007- Medal of Honor Heroes 2
December3- Super Smash Bros. Brawl

:o:o:o

Eponique can I borrow some money?:D

[QUOTE="chutup"]

As for Mario Kart people often use that quote but IMO Reggie was just talking crap then to get casuals interested. Nintendo isn't stupid. They know that a game which requires so little skill to play would not be fun for anyone, even casuals. Probably there will be a good handicap system but thats about it.

Runningflame570

I don't think thats the case at all..I think they are definitely going to take away some of the depth, because if you consider for a moment that even the first Mario Kart has a handicap system of sorts in Battle Mode...why else would he bother bringing it up?

[QUOTE="Eponique"][QUOTE="DiscordDut"]

Here is the list I'm looking into for this year to buy. All these games look pretty promising for the Wii.

July 30, 2007 Mario Strikers Charged
Q3 2007 Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock
October 29, 2007 Battalion Wars 2
October 2007 Manhunt 2
November 12, 2007 Super Mario Galaxy
November 13, 2007 WWE SmackDown! vs. Raw 2008
December 3, 2007 Super Smash Bros. Brawl
TBA 2007 Animal Crossing Wii
TBA 2007 TNA iMPACT!
TBA 2007 Trauma Center: New Blood

I see no "kid" games as you guys say that are coming out for the Wii that "we all want". Just because Animal Crossing Wii, may have the type of graphics that may attract a child of the age of 3. Does not mean that the game is for children. It is simply a fun long, lasting game.

Sure the Wii's graphics may be jaggy but while you are in the middle of the game you don't notice this kind of stuff as you are having too much fun playing the games. Don't get me wrong I love playing my friends 360, like Lost Planet, and their realistic sports games. But I still think Wii is a solid system for this year. For example look at the difference between the Gamecube graphics compared to Wii graphics. Games like Melee and Brawl, there is no doubt that there is change there.

kman3002

Is that it? :twisted:

July 24- Alien Syndrome
July 30- Mario Strikers: Charged
August 7- Boogie
August 14- Madden NFL 2008
August 20- Mercury Meltdown Revolution
August 27- Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
August 28- Tiger Woods: PGA Tour 08
September 4- Dewy's Adventure
September 11- Brothers in Arms: Double Time
September 18- MySims
September 25- Dance Dance Revolution: Hottest Party w/ Dance Pad bundle
September - Disaster: Day of Crisis
Q3 2007 - Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock
Fall 2007 - Zack& Wiki: Quest for Barbados' Treasure
October 29- Batallion Wars 2
October 29- Endless Ocean
October 2007- Wii Music
October 2007- Manhunt 2
October 2007- Resident Evil: Umberella Chronicles
November 6- Ghost Squad
November 6- Soul Calibur Legends
November 12- Super Mario Galaxy
November 13- Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 3
November 13- NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams
November 13- Rayman Raving Rabbids 2
November 13- WWE Smackdown vs. Raw 2008
November 20-Mario & Sonic at the Olympics
November 2007- Fire Emblem: Goddess of Dawn
November 2007- Harvest Moon Heroes
November 2007- Medal of Honor Heroes 2
December3- Super Smash Bros. Brawl

:o:o:o

Eponique can I borrow some money?:D

No, mines :evil:

Don't forget...

21. Trama Center: New Blood

Trauma Center makes it return on Wii. With new missions, full voice acting, and online leaderboards.

22.Mario Strikers Charged

Mario is back to play some football/soccer. Now with online play.

Yeah, but why would "real gamers" want to play on a console that is barely more powerful than the last generation of consoles. The Wii should stick with what it does best: Games that'll be played for a couple minutes by people who bought the Wii for Wii Sports.dewmandew7

SMG, SSBB, MP3

Thanks.

Oh and...

Better than last gen for sure.

Maybe he meant that the wheel controls will make the game more accessable on the surface for casuals, while the game stays true to the marioakart formulaShinobishyguy

No, I don't see how a housing (and one thats too small for most at that) will in any way shape or form help new players when the Wiimote itself has motion control, its not like the Wii Wheel does anything new.

All those are exclusives. I buy a console to play the exclusives and the multiplats. The Wii is missing almost all non-casual multiplats. So that's not good. Can you make a list of Wii multiplats that are not casuals?manningbowl135

C'mon, you know that's not fair.

I'm going to give my honest opinion on these games:

1. No More Heroes

I was interested in the game when I saw that one E3 trailer, but once I saw actual gameplay, I became uninterested.

2. NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams

Doesn't interest me in the slightest.

3. Disaster: Day of Crisis

Does interest me.

4. Super Mario Galaxy

Mario games are fun, and I'd play it, but I'm not jumping up and down for it.

5. Project HAMMER

I heard that it was cancelled, which you did address, but even before that, the game didn't interest me at all.

6. Metroid Prime 3: Corruption

Yeah, alright. I haven't really played any of the Metroid Primes.

7. Super Smash Bros. Brawl

Same goes for Super Mario Galaxy

8. Fire Emblem: Goddess of the Dawn

No

9. Battalion Wars II

No

10. Dewy's Adventure

Not interested.

11.Zack and Wiki

Saw a gameplay video and didn't change my mind: I'm still not interested in it.

12. Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles 2: The Crystal Bearers

No

13. Soul Calibur Legends

No. The Soul Calibur games for the PS3 and 360 don't interest me either. I'm not a fighting game guy.

14.Dragon Blade: Wrath of Fire

No.

15. de Blob

Now this game has me really interested. I definitely wanna try this out.

16. Tales of Symphonia: Knight of Ratatosk

No.

17. Mario Kart Wii

Nah. I'll stick with the N64 version.

18. Ghost Squad

No.

19. Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors

No.

20. Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles

It depends on if it's good. I'm slightly interested in it.

chutup

The lineup isn't bad, but a lot of the games I just don't want.

all i got to say is: WORST GRAPHICS EVER!!!!

oh and the mario 1, id be emberaced to be a nintendo gamer......

all i got to say is: WORST GRAPHICS EVER!!!!

oh and the mario 1, id be emberaced to be a nintendo gamer......

Ryder004

I'd be embarrassed to be your English teacher.

lets just hope they don't go the way of project hammer, and get canned to make way for more "expanded audience games".

That line never gets old.

Haha, those are real games huh? The only ones that hold promise there are the Mario titles, and even then those are simple re-hashes. You were even desperate enough to post artwork?! Haha, the sheep really are in denial if they think the Wii has games that can compare to Lair, Halo 3, Mass Effect, Bio-Shock, Fable 2, and so much more it's not even funny. Only thing the Wii has are ports of good games, and good sales, and that's it. The rest is mini-game crap, and most of the hyped exclusives will either end up A: Flopping B: Getting delayed into obscurity or just being flat out cancelled C: turning out to be yet another Mario re-hash.

Oh, and did you just hype a Sega game? Is there something...wrong with you?

V_Isle

No More Heroes, Zack and Wiki, Dewy's Adventure, de Blob, Soul Calibur Legends, Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles, NiGHTS, Metroid Prime 3, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Super Mario Galaxy, Battalion Wars II, Fire Emblem Goddess of Dawn, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: The Crystal Bearers, Dragon Blade: Wrath of Fire, and Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors are all ports? Many of those are new IP's and the rest are sequels to successful franchises or or spin-offs. There is not one remake in that entire list. And how is a third party game going to be a Mario re-hash?

You forgto some..

1.Trauma Center: New Blood (2008)

2.Mushroom Men: The Spore War (Fall 2008)

3.King Story (2008)

4.Opoona (2008)

5.Tales of Symphonia: Knight of Ratatosk (2008)

6.Harvest Moon: Tree of Peace (Q4 2007)

7.Zelda Wii (2009)

8.Space Station Tycoon (2007)

This is what will happens to me in the future.

*I take break from playing Crysis*

*I go and play my Wii for a while*

*I burst into laughter and go back to play Crysis*

Well I don't know who you hear from that there isn't depth to the game, because they are tragically misinformed.

But the other examples you gave are exactly why. It has a relatively large learning curve, depth, great mulitplayer and competition (it's multiplayer only) and is one of the best shooters ever made. There's a reason why all the international gaming leagues have or had Quake III as one of their featured events.

Thompsonwhore

[QUOTE="Eponique"][QUOTE="hamidious"]

Why are games like De Blob andDewy's adventure on this list? Plus Zack and Wiki and Crystal Chronicles are casual games. Soul Calibre Legends and Dragon Blade seem mediocre (not to mention the real Final Fantasy and Soul Calibre games are coming to PS3). Meanwhile, don't expect to see disaster and project hammer soon, as they are not casual enough and resources have been shifted for more "casual" games.

Enjoy the casual experience, only on Wii.

subrosian

I LOL'd at this post.

Yeah, but why would "real gamers" want to play on a console that is barely more powerful than the last generation of consoles. The Wii should stick with what it does best: Games that'll be played for a couple minutes by people who bought the Wii for Wii Sports.dewmandew7

Please don't post stuff at random. Some games on your list have been cancelled or simply don't have anything on "real games" on "real" next-gen consoles.MF_D3f

Its a solid list but so far Wii controls have been broken, if they can make the controls for these game functional than I will have no choice but to buy a Wii :D.MGS9150

Most of those games look kinda lame...I don't see the excitement behind No More Heroes either.

There are still some good games in there though...just not as many as I expected...

also, Project H.A.M.M.E.R is cancelled:

http://www.infendo.com/wii/project-hammer-is-dead/

Most of those games look kinda lame...I don't see the excitement behind No More Heroes either.

MADVLAD123

Totally disagree.... the excitement is more about the dev team than it is about what is know about the game itself. Killer 7 has a large, devout following, and it was actually quite a spectacular game.

[QUOTE="MF_D3f"]Please don't post stuff at random. Some games on your list have been cancelled or simply don't have anything on "real games" on "real" next-gen consoles.nintendo-4life

Project Hammer - cancelled

SC Legends - crappy spinoff

RE:UC - lightgun game

ToS 2 - Have you seen the latest Tales games ? They're all garbage.

where are the games?!?!

The Wii is getting more old Vurtual Console games than actual games!!!

this is getting pathetic

its an ok list.. but again theres only like 3 - 4 games i want on it. not enough justification to buy one yet :(SH_guY

Solution: make a forum post with pictures of Metroid Prime, Dewy's Adventure, and Dragon Quest: Swords

Frankly, it simply validates the viewpoint it's trying to disprove - that is - it shows that the Wii focuses greatly on non-traditional gamers and casuals, with very little focus on the core gamer. We are picking the gems out of the trash pile. The best defense of the Wii would be to show the core titles on their own, without trying to shove questionable titles onto the list, or trying to debate semantics with dissenters.