How the Wii Mostly Dominated This Generation; WTFMYTIGTART Edition

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#101 Bigboi500
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[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"]The wii didn't win in exclusives. Games are rated relative the platform and wii clearly has lower standards. Ps3 exclusives are talke about all the time, while thed wii ones are hardly mentioned on the interwebz. Sushiglutton

That bullsh*t excuse has been debunked by the admins and ToU. Try harder.

Link?

It's called the ToU. Look on the top of the threads here. The only thing Wii has "lower standards" in is graphics.

EDIT: it's not in the Terms of Use, but the administration did clarify their reviewing policy, but I don't know where it's located.

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[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]That bullsh*t excuse has been debunked by the admins and ToU. Try harder.

Bigboi500

Link?

It's called the ToU. Look on the top of the threads here. The only thing Wii has "lower standards" in is graphics.

First off graphics is a major aspect of gaming, it's pretty much what makes PC gaming have higher standards. The Wii also has lower standards cause of online play, which is a MAJOR part of gaming this gen.
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#103 Sushiglutton
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[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]That bullsh*t excuse has been debunked by the admins and ToU. Try harder.

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Link?

It's called the ToU. Look on the top of the threads here. The only thing Wii has "lower standards" in is graphics.

Here (http://www.gamespot.com/misc/reviewguidelines.html) it says: "We Rate Games According to the Current Standards of Their Platforms and Genres". And wii has much lower spec thus lower standards. Also the lack of third party support means much less competition on the platform, which implies even lower standards.
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#104 locopatho
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[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"] Link?Eddie-Vedder

It's called the ToU. Look on the top of the threads here. The only thing Wii has "lower standards" in is graphics.

First off graphics is a major aspect of gaming, it's pretty much what makes PC gaming have higher standards. The Wii also has lower standards cause of online play, which is a MAJOR part of gaming this gen.

Also controls. Wii games got praised when the controls work. Most other platforms, working controls are taken for granted.
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#105 Bigboi500
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[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"] Link?Sushiglutton

It's called the ToU. Look on the top of the threads here. The only thing Wii has "lower standards" in is graphics.

Here (http://www.gamespot.com/misc/reviewguidelines.html) it says: "We Rate Games According to the Current Standards of Their Platforms and Genres". And wii has much lower spec thus lower standards. Also the lack of third party support means a much less competition on the platform, which implies even lower standards.

It also says "a good game is a good game, no matter what system it's on". They've stated before that they review the consoles by the same standards.

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#107 Eddie-Vedder
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[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]It's called the ToU. Look on the top of the threads here. The only thing Wii has "lower standards" in is graphics.

Bigboi500

Here (http://www.gamespot.com/misc/reviewguidelines.html) it says: "We Rate Games According to the Current Standards of Their Platforms and Genres". And wii has much lower spec thus lower standards. Also the lack of third party support means a much less competition on the platform, which implies even lower standards.

It also says "a good game is a good game, no matter what system it's on". They've stated before that they review the consoles by the same standards.

No they haven't and no. You're basically saying a good phone game is equal to a good big budget pc game cause a good game is a good game. That's bs, light years away in standards and you know it.
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#108 Bigboi500
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[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"] Here (http://www.gamespot.com/misc/reviewguidelines.html) it says: "We Rate Games According to the Current Standards of Their Platforms and Genres". And wii has much lower spec thus lower standards. Also the lack of third party support means a much less competition on the platform, which implies even lower standards.Eddie-Vedder

It also says "a good game is a good game, no matter what system it's on". They've stated before that they review the consoles by the same standards.

No they haven't and no. You're basically saying a good phone game is equal to a good big budget pc game cause a good game is a good game. That's bs, light years away in standards and you know it.

Your phone reference is what's bs. Thinking the difference in graphics between the PS3 and Wii is the same as consoles to phone games is beyond ridiculous. McShea said that if SMG2 was on PS3 or 360 it would still have received a 10, so there you go.

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#109 Sushiglutton
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[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]It's called the ToU. Look on the top of the threads here. The only thing Wii has "lower standards" in is graphics.

Bigboi500

Here (http://www.gamespot.com/misc/reviewguidelines.html) it says: "We Rate Games According to the Current Standards of Their Platforms and Genres". And wii has much lower spec thus lower standards. Also the lack of third party support means a much less competition on the platform, which implies even lower standards.

It also says "a good game is a good game, no matter what system it's on". They've stated before that they review the consoles by the same standards.

I'm gonna have to see a link to believe that, sorry. Sounds real fishy to me.
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[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]It also says "a good game is a good game, no matter what system it's on". They've stated before that they review the consoles by the same standards.

Bigboi500

No they haven't and no. You're basically saying a good phone game is equal to a good big budget pc game cause a good game is a good game. That's bs, light years away in standards and you know it.

Your phone reference is what's bs. Thinking the difference in graphics between the PS3 and Wii is the same as consoles to phone games is beyond ridiculous. McShea said that if SMG2 was on PS3 or 360 it would still have received a 10, so there you go.

First off there are phones that have graphics just as good as the Wii's if not better, and second off you're pretty much trying to decide yourself where you can draw the line. That's not how it works. The difference is pretty much PC > 360/PS3 > Wii > Handhelds > Phones. Theres a difference in standards between all of these groups. You can pretend there isn't but there is, and anyone in gaming journalism knows it.
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#111 Bigboi500
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[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"] Here (http://www.gamespot.com/misc/reviewguidelines.html) it says: "We Rate Games According to the Current Standards of Their Platforms and Genres". And wii has much lower spec thus lower standards. Also the lack of third party support means a much less competition on the platform, which implies even lower standards.Sushiglutton

It also says "a good game is a good game, no matter what system it's on". They've stated before that they review the consoles by the same standards.

I'm gonna have to see a link to believe that, sorry. Sounds real fishy to me.

Read the paragraph you titled very carefully to the end. It clearly says "Relative comparisons do apply, so a game that scores poorly is a poor game by any standards, and a game that scores extremely high is an outstanding game by any standards."

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No they haven't and no. You're basically saying a good phone game is equal to a good big budget pc game cause a good game is a good game. That's bs, light years away in standards and you know it. Eddie-Vedder
Super Meat Boy--a cheap DD game--was nominated for game of the year in 2010 over big titles like God of War 3, Civilizations V, and Alan Wake which weren't even nominated.

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[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]It also says "a good game is a good game, no matter what system it's on". They've stated before that they review the consoles by the same standards.

Bigboi500

I'm gonna have to see a link to believe that, sorry. Sounds real fishy to me.

Read the paragraph you titled very carefully to the end. It clearly says "Relative comparisons do apply, so a game that scores poorly is a poor game by any standards, and a game that scores extremely high is an outstanding game by any standards."

It means the score system is not entirely platform relative for extreme scores. Doesn't change that sheeps are stupid trying to claim ownage with 8-9 rated games.
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#114 Bigboi500
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[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"] No they haven't and no. You're basically saying a good phone game is equal to a good big budget pc game cause a good game is a good game. That's bs, light years away in standards and you know it. Eddie-Vedder

Your phone reference is what's bs. Thinking the difference in graphics between the PS3 and Wii is the same as consoles to phone games is beyond ridiculous. McShea said that if SMG2 was on PS3 or 360 it would still have received a 10, so there you go.

First off there are phones that have graphics just as good as the Wii's if not better, and second off you're pretty much trying to decide yourself where you can draw the line. That's not how it works. The difference is pretty much PC > 360/PS3 > Wii > Handhelds > Phones. Theres a difference in standards between all of these groups. You can pretend there isn't but there is, and anyone in gaming journalism knows it.

The fact that SMG2 received a 10 despite not having the same graphical capabilities as the other consoles says that what you claim isn't true.

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[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]No they haven't and no. You're basically saying a good phone game is equal to a good big budget pc game cause a good game is a good game. That's bs, light years away in standards and you know it. Stevo_the_gamer

Super Meat Boy--a cheap DD game--was nominated for game of the year in 2010 over big titles like God of War 3, Civilizations V, and Alan Wake which weren't even nominated.

I know, Bastion is one of my top games of this generation. That still doesn't mean it's anywhere near a game like The Witcher 2 in standards. Big budget high standard blockbuster games have way more work put into them, from graphics to sound, story, voice acting, production values, gameplay, content , online etc.. TW2 would have most likely scored a 10 at 10$ and Super Meat Boy would have scored significantly worse at 60$. I know a great game is a great game, but there are still different standards. It's a fact.
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[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]No they haven't and no. You're basically saying a good phone game is equal to a good big budget pc game cause a good game is a good game. That's bs, light years away in standards and you know it. Eddie-Vedder

Super Meat Boy--a cheap DD game--was nominated for game of the year in 2010 over big titles like God of War 3, Civilizations V, and Alan Wake which weren't even nominated.

I know, Bastion is one of my top games of this generation. That still doesn't mean it's anywhere near a game like The Witcher 2 in standards. Big budget high standard blockbuster games have way more work put into them, from graphics to sound, story, voice acting, production values, gameplay, content , online etc.. TW2 would have most likely scored a 10 at 10$ and Super Meat Boy would have scored significantly worse at 60$. I know a great game is a great game, but there are still different standards. It's a fact.

You are confusing value of content and quality of content; that is unwise.

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[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]It's called the ToU. Look on the top of the threads here. The only thing Wii has "lower standards" in is graphics.

locopatho

First off graphics is a major aspect of gaming, it's pretty much what makes PC gaming have higher standards. The Wii also has lower standards cause of online play, which is a MAJOR part of gaming this gen.

Also controls. Wii games got praised when the controls work. Most other platforms, working controls are taken for granted.

...........OR when the controls are great, not just working.

The better the Wii controls are = more intuitiveness = better experience.

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[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]Your phone reference is what's bs. Thinking the difference in graphics between the PS3 and Wii is the same as consoles to phone games is beyond ridiculous. McShea said that if SMG2 was on PS3 or 360 it would still have received a 10, so there you go.

Bigboi500

First off there are phones that have graphics just as good as the Wii's if not better, and second off you're pretty much trying to decide yourself where you can draw the line. That's not how it works. The difference is pretty much PC > 360/PS3 > Wii > Handhelds > Phones. Theres a difference in standards between all of these groups. You can pretend there isn't but there is, and anyone in gaming journalism knows it.

The fact that SMG2 received a 10 despite not having the same graphical capabilities as the other consoles says that what you claim isn't true.

Oh my God man, you're being thick, go to Metacritic or even here at gamespot and click on IOS games for example, they have a TON of games with AMAZING scores. SO they are great games but don't tell me they are equal in standards with GoW, Uncharted, Skyrim, The Witcher. Get real dude. Not sure how you're trying to trick here.

Look at this.

You're pretty much saying Iphone is the best gaming platform ever. Ever. EVER.

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[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"] I'm gonna have to see a link to believe that, sorry. Sounds real fishy to me.Sushiglutton

Read the paragraph you titled very carefully to the end. It clearly says "Relative comparisons do apply, so a game that scores poorly is a poor game by any standards, and a game that scores extremely high is an outstanding game by any standards."

It means the score system is not entirely platform relative for extreme scores. Doesn't change that sheeps are stupid trying to claim ownage with 8-9 rated games.

Actually it just makes cows and lemmings look stupid when they have to resort to such pathetic and disingenuous tactics when their ammo runs out. Why can't they play by the same rules? Having a larger and better overall library isn't enough? If you're gonna play this game you have to have some give and take or nothing means anything.

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#120 locopatho
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[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"] First off graphics is a major aspect of gaming, it's pretty much what makes PC gaming have higher standards. The Wii also has lower standards cause of online play, which is a MAJOR part of gaming this gen. m_machine024

Also controls. Wii games got praised when the controls work. Most other platforms, working controls are taken for granted.

...........OR when the controls are great, not just working.

The better the Wii controls are = more intuitiveness = better experience.

O don't me wrong. A game like Zack and Wiki where the controls are beyond what dual analogue could do, is perfectly fine to praise. But a lot of the time, reviews act like the Wii controls not being broken is a good thing, when reallly it should just be expected that they work 100% of the time.
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[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"] First off there are phones that have graphics just as good as the Wii's if not better, and second off you're pretty much trying to decide yourself where you can draw the line. That's not how it works. The difference is pretty much PC > 360/PS3 > Wii > Handhelds > Phones. Theres a difference in standards between all of these groups. You can pretend there isn't but there is, and anyone in gaming journalism knows it. Eddie-Vedder

The fact that SMG2 received a 10 despite not having the same graphical capabilities as the other consoles says that what you claim isn't true.

Oh my God man, you're being thick, go to Metacritic or even here at gamespot and click on IOS games for example, they have a TON of games with AMAZING scores. SO they are great games but don't tell me they are equal in standards with GoW, Uncharted, Skyrim, The Witcher. Get real dude. Not sure how you're trying to trick here.

Look at this.

You're pretty much saying Iphone is the best gaming platform ever. Ever. EVER.

Metacritic fail. This. Is. Gamespot. Using a plethora of critical averages opens up the possibility of more Western bias against a Japanese company that consists of mostly Japanese developers, unlike Sony who has a bunch of Western developers, most of which are the higher rated games in the metacritic ratings.

Why don't you go look at Japanese rating averages for Wii and 360 in Japan, where you'll notice a favoritism for Eastern developed games over Western ones.

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[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Super Meat Boy--a cheap DD game--was nominated for game of the year in 2010 over big titles like God of War 3, Civilizations V, and Alan Wake which weren't even nominated.

Stevo_the_gamer

I know, Bastion is one of my top games of this generation. That still doesn't mean it's anywhere near a game like The Witcher 2 in standards. Big budget high standard blockbuster games have way more work put into them, from graphics to sound, story, voice acting, production values, gameplay, content , online etc.. TW2 would have most likely scored a 10 at 10$ and Super Meat Boy would have scored significantly worse at 60$. I know a great game is a great game, but there are still different standards. It's a fact.

You are confusing value of content and quality of content; that is unwise.

You're ignoring the standards that come attached with price. That is unwise. 1$ quality game, something like Angry birds is not the same as something like a 60$ The Witcher 2. Even if they both score 9. The quantity and quality is almost exponential. It's not just more, it gets more polished, refined and complex. Or are they equal? And to prove I know you know this is right, imagine you could pick the genres you wanted and the dev's you wanted to make the games and had a choice of choosing 10 AAA titles, but you had choose between arcade titles or bigger retail games. Obviously unless it was some F2P model or something the retail games would be more expensive and arcade games would most likely range the 5-15$ range. 99% of gamers on this board would pick the retail games. And we all know why.
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[QUOTE="locopatho"] Also controls. Wii games got praised when the controls work. Most other platforms, working controls are taken for granted.locopatho

...........OR when the controls are great, not just working.

The better the Wii controls are = more intuitiveness = better experience.

O don't me wrong. A game like Zack and Wiki where the controls are beyond what dual analogue could do, is perfectly fine to praise. But a lot of the time, reviews act like the Wii controls not being broken is a good thing, when reallly it should just be expected that they work 100% of the time.

Hmmm... maybe you're right but tbh I don't remember reading any reviews praising the controls only working, but only enhancing the experience, which is how it should be.... and also I don't think they would bring up the score just for that.

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[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]The fact that SMG2 received a 10 despite not having the same graphical capabilities as the other consoles says that what you claim isn't true.

Bigboi500

Oh my God man, you're being thick, go to Metacritic or even here at gamespot and click on IOS games for example, they have a TON of games with AMAZING scores. SO they are great games but don't tell me they are equal in standards with GoW, Uncharted, Skyrim, The Witcher. Get real dude. Not sure how you're trying to trick here.

Look at this.

You're pretty much saying Iphone is the best gaming platform ever. Ever. EVER.

Metacritic fail. This. Is. Gamespot. Using a plethora of critical averages opens up the possibility of more Western bias against a Japanese company that consists of mostly Japanese developers, unlike Sony who has a bunch of Western developers, most of which are the higher rated games in the metacritic ratings.

Why don't you go look at Japanese rating averages for Wii and 360 in Japan, where you'll notice a favoritism for Eastern developed games over Western ones.

That bias talk has nothing to do with what we were arguing, and you can click on iphone here on gamespot too, the point remains. If there isn't a difference in standards phone gaming is the best gaming ever. EVER. According to you're whole a great game is a great game there is no difference in standards. Which is really lol worthy, even Kevin V has come to System Wars and explained there is an obvious difference, I just don't know how I'd find the post.
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[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"] Oh my God man, you're being thick, go to Metacritic or even here at gamespot and click on IOS games for example, they have a TON of games with AMAZING scores. SO they are great games but don't tell me they are equal in standards with GoW, Uncharted, Skyrim, The Witcher. Get real dude. Not sure how you're trying to trick here.

Look at this.

You're pretty much saying Iphone is the best gaming platform ever. Ever. EVER.

Eddie-Vedder

Metacritic fail. This. Is. Gamespot. Using a plethora of critical averages opens up the possibility of more Western bias against a Japanese company that consists of mostly Japanese developers, unlike Sony who has a bunch of Western developers, most of which are the higher rated games in the metacritic ratings.

Why don't you go look at Japanese rating averages for Wii and 360 in Japan, where you'll notice a favoritism for Eastern developed games over Western ones.

That bias talk has nothing to do with what we were arguing, and you can click on iphone here on gamespot too, the point remains. If there isn't a difference in standards phone gaming is the best gaming ever. EVER. According to you're whole a great game is a great game there is no difference in standards. Which is really lol worthy, even Kevin V has come to System Wars and explained there is an obvious difference, I just don't know how I'd find the post.

Well if it makes you happy, keep thinking that a Wii game rated a 10 would be less on the PS3, but the reviewer has stated otherwise. Let your denial envelop you like a warm security blanket, Linus.

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[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="m_machine024"]...........OR when the controls are great, not just working.

The better the Wii controls are = more intuitiveness = better experience.

m_machine024

O don't me wrong. A game like Zack and Wiki where the controls are beyond what dual analogue could do, is perfectly fine to praise. But a lot of the time, reviews act like the Wii controls not being broken is a good thing, when reallly it should just be expected that they work 100% of the time.

Hmmm... maybe you're right but tbh I don't remember reading any reviews praising the controls only working, but only enhancing the experience, which is how it should be.... and also I don't think they would bring up the score just for that.

Not sure if it affected score to be honest. But I got the sense from some reviews, after playing 500 minigame compilations with horrid controls, the reviewer was so pleased that they worked in this game, they raved about em :P
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I bring forth teh ownage. Stevo and BigBoi read for yourselves.

"We Rate Games According to the Current Standards of Their Platforms and Genres

Every gaming platform is different, especially in terms of its technical features. However, we believe high-quality gaming experiences are possible on all the gaming platforms that we cover. So we review games against the standards of their respective platforms by implicitly comparing them to other games on that same platform and, to a lesser extent, to other games in that genre. As a result, our ratings of games on different platforms are not intended to be directly compared to one another. However, relative comparisons do apply, so a game that scores poorly is a poor game by any standards, while a game that scores extremely high is an outstanding game by any standards."

"We rate games on a scale of 1 (the absolute worst) to 10 (the absolute best). The rating we assign to each game is intended to give you an at-a-glance sense of the overall quality of the game relative to other games on the same platform."

Taken from Gamespot. Not only does the Wii have significantly less technical capabilities, which lower the standards, the lack of thrid party support also lowers the standards from a purely games pov.

The Wii has lower standards, thread invalidated.

Game Over.

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I bring forth teh ownage. Stevo and BigBoi read for yourselves.

"We Rate Games According to the Current Standards of Their Platforms and Genres

Every gaming platform is different, especially in terms of its technical features. However, we believe high-quality gaming experiences are possible on all the gaming platforms that we cover. So we review games against the standards of their respective platforms by implicitly comparing them to other games on that same platform and, to a lesser extent, to other games in that genre. As a result, our ratings of games on different platforms are not intended to be directly compared to one another. However, relative comparisons do apply, so a game that scores poorly is a poor game by any standards, while a game that scores extremely high is an outstanding game by any standards."

"We rate games on a scale of 1 (the absolute worst) to 10 (the absolute best). The rating we assign to each game is intended to give you an at-a-glance sense of the overall quality of the game relative to other games on the same platform."

Taken from Gamespot. Not only does the Wii have significantly less technical capabilities, which lower the standards, the lack of thrid party support also lowers the standards from a purely games pov.

The Wii has lower standards, thread invalidated.

Game Over.

Eddie-Vedder

Give it up, son. Gamespot isn't blind and myopic fanboys with tunnel vision like you are. Most of the rest of us can enjoy games on all or most systems, not just one, so it's easier for us to see that all systems and good games on those systems can be enjoyed.

The only battle going on is the one you're having with yourself about accepting the truth. Hiding behind false beliefs, lame excuses and reviewers' opinions isn't a very healthy thing to do. Stop being a tool for one gaming company and go try to enjoy some good games. :)

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#129 Eddie-Vedder
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[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

I bring forth teh ownage. Stevo and BigBoi read for yourselves.

"We Rate Games According to the Current Standards of Their Platforms and Genres

Every gaming platform is different, especially in terms of its technical features. However, we believe high-quality gaming experiences are possible on all the gaming platforms that we cover. So we review games against the standards of their respective platforms by implicitly comparing them to other games on that same platform and, to a lesser extent, to other games in that genre. As a result, our ratings of games on different platforms are not intended to be directly compared to one another. However, relative comparisons do apply, so a game that scores poorly is a poor game by any standards, while a game that scores extremely high is an outstanding game by any standards."

"We rate games on a scale of 1 (the absolute worst) to 10 (the absolute best). The rating we assign to each game is intended to give you an at-a-glance sense of the overall quality of the game relative to other games on the same platform."

Taken from Gamespot. Not only does the Wii have significantly less technical capabilities, which lower the standards, the lack of thrid party support also lowers the standards from a purely games pov.

The Wii has lower standards, thread invalidated.

Game Over.

Bigboi500

Give it up, son. Gamespot isn't blind and myopic fanboys with tunnel vision like you are. Most of the rest of us can enjoy games on all or most systems, not just one, so it's easier for us to see that all systems and good games on those systems can be enjoyed.

The only battle going on is the one you're having with yourself about accepting the truth. Hiding behind false beliefs, lame excuses and reviewers' opinions isn't a very healthy thing to do. Stop being a tool for one gaming company and go try to enjoy some good games. :)

lool sounds to me like you just got owned. You delusional fanboys were the ones trying to claim the Wii was more then it is with false beliefs, lame excuses and reviewers. I'm just playing your game and setting you straight with facts. Can't take the heat get out of the kitchen.
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#130 Bigboi500
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[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

I bring forth teh ownage. Stevo and BigBoi read for yourselves.

"We Rate Games According to the Current Standards of Their Platforms and Genres

Every gaming platform is different, especially in terms of its technical features. However, we believe high-quality gaming experiences are possible on all the gaming platforms that we cover. So we review games against the standards of their respective platforms by implicitly comparing them to other games on that same platform and, to a lesser extent, to other games in that genre. As a result, our ratings of games on different platforms are not intended to be directly compared to one another. However, relative comparisons do apply, so a game that scores poorly is a poor game by any standards, while a game that scores extremely high is an outstanding game by any standards."

"We rate games on a scale of 1 (the absolute worst) to 10 (the absolute best). The rating we assign to each game is intended to give you an at-a-glance sense of the overall quality of the game relative to other games on the same platform."

Taken from Gamespot. Not only does the Wii have significantly less technical capabilities, which lower the standards, the lack of thrid party support also lowers the standards from a purely games pov.

The Wii has lower standards, thread invalidated.

Game Over.

Eddie-Vedder

Give it up, son. Gamespot isn't blind and myopic fanboys with tunnel vision like you are. Most of the rest of us can enjoy games on all or most systems, not just one, so it's easier for us to see that all systems and good games on those systems can be enjoyed.

The only battle going on is the one you're having with yourself about accepting the truth. Hiding behind false beliefs, lame excuses and reviewers' opinions isn't a very healthy thing to do. Stop being a tool for one gaming company and go try to enjoy some good games. :)

lool sounds to me like you just got owned. You delusional fanboys were the ones trying to claim the Wii was more then it is with false beliefs, lame excuses and reviewers. I'm just playing your game and setting you straight with facts. Can't take the heat get out of the kitchen.

Are you just too broke to enjoy games that are on other systems? Or maybe you're just a school boy and your parents won't buy you another system?

Your constant fanboy rants and delusions are quite sad. All the consoles are pretty cheap now, so even a weekly or monthly allowance should be enough to enable you to try new things and see that they're not so bad, and that you don't have to justify only having one system to play any more.

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#131 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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You're ignoring the standards that come attached with price. That is unwise. 1$ quality game, something like Angry birds is not the same as something like a 60$ The Witcher 2. Even if they both score 9. The quantity and quality is almost exponential. It's not just more, it gets more polished, refined and complex. Or are they equal? And to prove I know you know this is right, imagine you could pick the genres you wanted and the dev's you wanted to make the games and had a choice of choosing 10 AAA titles, but you had choose between arcade titles or bigger retail games. Obviously unless it was some F2P model or something the retail games would be more expensive and arcade games would most likely range the 5-15$ range. 99% of gamers on this board would pick the retail games. And we all know why.Eddie-Vedder
Standards that come attached with the price? Or, otherwise known as "value." A game can offer little in terms of value, but be genre defining or exceptional. Journey on PSN is a relatively recent example of "poor value" but (supposedly) exceptional in its execution. You are riding on a high horse mantra that dictates retail "high budget retail" trumps all. 99% of the users on this board wouldn't blindly pick an array of titles simply because they're retail, or DD. That is silly.

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#132 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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Are you just too broke to enjoy games that are on other systems? Or maybe you're just a school boy and your parents won't buy you another system?

Your constant fanboy rants and delusions are quite sad. All the consoles are pretty cheap now, so even a weekly or monthly allowance should be enough to enable you to try new things and see that they're not so bad, and that you don't have to justify only having one system to play any more.

Bigboi500

Never understood the notion of acting like a fanboy imbecile for "kicks and giggles" ... maybe for a day it would be entertaining, but to be perpetually incompetent? Rather odd.

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#133 Sushiglutton
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[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

I bring forth teh ownage. Stevo and BigBoi read for yourselves.

"We Rate Games According to the Current Standards of Their Platforms and Genres

Every gaming platform is different, especially in terms of its technical features. However, we believe high-quality gaming experiences are possible on all the gaming platforms that we cover. So we review games against the standards of their respective platforms by implicitly comparing them to other games on that same platform and, to a lesser extent, to other games in that genre. As a result, our ratings of games on different platforms are not intended to be directly compared to one another. However, relative comparisons do apply, so a game that scores poorly is a poor game by any standards, while a game that scores extremely high is an outstanding game by any standards."

"We rate games on a scale of 1 (the absolute worst) to 10 (the absolute best). The rating we assign to each game is intended to give you an at-a-glance sense of the overall quality of the game relative to other games on the same platform."

Taken from Gamespot. Not only does the Wii have significantly less technical capabilities, which lower the standards, the lack of thrid party support also lowers the standards from a purely games pov.

The Wii has lower standards, thread invalidated.

Game Over.

Bigboi500

Give it up, son. Gamespot isn't blind and myopic fanboys with tunnel vision like you are. Most of the rest of us can enjoy games on all or most systems, not just one, so it's easier for us to see that all systems and good games on those systems can be enjoyed.

The only battle going on is the one you're having with yourself about accepting the truth. Hiding behind false beliefs, lame excuses and reviewers' opinions isn't a very healthy thing to do. Stop being a tool for one gaming company and go try to enjoy some good games. :)

What is so hard for you to understand? 1) Games are in general reviewed relative the current standards on their platforms (this is clearly stated in Gamespots review guidlines). 2) The wii has weaker hardware. 3) Some of the features considered in reviews are directly related to hardware (graphics, physics, AI etc). Which one of these points do u disagree with?
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#134 Lord_Omikron666
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I bring forth teh ownage. Stevo and BigBoi read for yourselves.

"We Rate Games According to the Current Standards of Their Platforms and Genres

Every gaming platform is different, especially in terms of its technical features. However, we believe high-quality gaming experiences are possible on all the gaming platforms that we cover. So we review games against the standards of their respective platforms by implicitly comparing them to other games on that same platform and, to a lesser extent, to other games in that genre. As a result, our ratings of games on different platforms are not intended to be directly compared to one another. However, relative comparisons do apply, so a game that scores poorly is a poor game by any standards, while a game that scores extremely high is an outstanding game by any standards."

"We rate games on a scale of 1 (the absolute worst) to 10 (the absolute best). The rating we assign to each game is intended to give you an at-a-glance sense of the overall quality of the game relative to other games on the same platform."

Taken from Gamespot. Not only does the Wii have significantly less technical capabilities, which lower the standards, the lack of thrid party support also lowers the standards from a purely games pov.

The Wii has lower standards, thread invalidated.

Game Over.

Eddie-Vedder

You missed something there buddy.

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#135 locopatho
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[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]You're ignoring the standards that come attached with price. That is unwise. 1$ quality game, something like Angry birds is not the same as something like a 60$ The Witcher 2. Even if they both score 9. The quantity and quality is almost exponential. It's not just more, it gets more polished, refined and complex. Or are they equal? And to prove I know you know this is right, imagine you could pick the genres you wanted and the dev's you wanted to make the games and had a choice of choosing 10 AAA titles, but you had choose between arcade titles or bigger retail games. Obviously unless it was some F2P model or something the retail games would be more expensive and arcade games would most likely range the 5-15$ range. 99% of gamers on this board would pick the retail games. And we all know why.Stevo_the_gamer

Standards that come attached with the price? Or, otherwise known as "value." A game can offer little in terms of value, but be genre defining or exceptional. Journey on PSN is a relatively recent example of "poor value" but (supposedly) exceptional in its execution. You are riding on a high horse mantra that dictates retail "high budget retail" trumps all. 99% of the users on this board wouldn't blindly pick an array of titles simply because they're retail, or DD. That is silly.

What about Tetris? Perfect game. Would a phone version for $1 and a PS3 version for $50 score the same?
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#136 Eddie-Vedder
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[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

I bring forth teh ownage. Stevo and BigBoi read for yourselves.

"We Rate Games According to the Current Standards of Their Platforms and Genres

Every gaming platform is different, especially in terms of its technical features. However, we believe high-quality gaming experiences are possible on all the gaming platforms that we cover. So we review games against the standards of their respective platforms by implicitly comparing them to other games on that same platform and, to a lesser extent, to other games in that genre. As a result, our ratings of games on different platforms are not intended to be directly compared to one another. However, relative comparisons do apply, so a game that scores poorly is a poor game by any standards, while a game that scores extremely high is an outstanding game by any standards."

"We rate games on a scale of 1 (the absolute worst) to 10 (the absolute best). The rating we assign to each game is intended to give you an at-a-glance sense of the overall quality of the game relative to other games on the same platform."

Taken from Gamespot. Not only does the Wii have significantly less technical capabilities, which lower the standards, the lack of thrid party support also lowers the standards from a purely games pov.

The Wii has lower standards, thread invalidated.

Game Over.

Lord_Omikron666

You missed something there buddy.

Nothing was missed lol, that sentence doesn't invalidate the standards moron. It even says relative comparisons. All that says is "However, a bad scoring game is bad and a good scoring game is good." Holy sh1t you guys are bad at this lol.
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#137 Sushiglutton
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[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

I bring forth teh ownage. Stevo and BigBoi read for yourselves.

"We Rate Games According to the Current Standards of Their Platforms and Genres

Every gaming platform is different, especially in terms of its technical features. However, we believe high-quality gaming experiences are possible on all the gaming platforms that we cover. So we review games against the standards of their respective platforms by implicitly comparing them to other games on that same platform and, to a lesser extent, to other games in that genre. As a result, our ratings of games on different platforms are not intended to be directly compared to one another. However, relative comparisons do apply, so a game that scores poorly is a poor game by any standards, while a game that scores extremely high is an outstanding game by any standards."

"We rate games on a scale of 1 (the absolute worst) to 10 (the absolute best). The rating we assign to each game is intended to give you an at-a-glance sense of the overall quality of the game relative to other games on the same platform."

Taken from Gamespot. Not only does the Wii have significantly less technical capabilities, which lower the standards, the lack of thrid party support also lowers the standards from a purely games pov.

The Wii has lower standards, thread invalidated.

Game Over.

Lord_Omikron666

You missed something there buddy.

I'm sure SMG2 would have scored 10 on any system. However sheeps are trying to claim ownage with their exclusive library AA-AAAA. 8-9 can hardly be thought of as extremely high scores.
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#138 Bigboi500
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[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

I bring forth teh ownage. Stevo and BigBoi read for yourselves.

"We Rate Games According to the Current Standards of Their Platforms and Genres

Every gaming platform is different, especially in terms of its technical features. However, we believe high-quality gaming experiences are possible on all the gaming platforms that we cover. So we review games against the standards of their respective platforms by implicitly comparing them to other games on that same platform and, to a lesser extent, to other games in that genre. As a result, our ratings of games on different platforms are not intended to be directly compared to one another. However, relative comparisons do apply, so a game that scores poorly is a poor game by any standards, while a game that scores extremely high is an outstanding game by any standards."

"We rate games on a scale of 1 (the absolute worst) to 10 (the absolute best). The rating we assign to each game is intended to give you an at-a-glance sense of the overall quality of the game relative to other games on the same platform."

Taken from Gamespot. Not only does the Wii have significantly less technical capabilities, which lower the standards, the lack of thrid party support also lowers the standards from a purely games pov.

The Wii has lower standards, thread invalidated.

Game Over.

Sushiglutton

Give it up, son. Gamespot isn't blind and myopic fanboys with tunnel vision like you are. Most of the rest of us can enjoy games on all or most systems, not just one, so it's easier for us to see that all systems and good games on those systems can be enjoyed.

The only battle going on is the one you're having with yourself about accepting the truth. Hiding behind false beliefs, lame excuses and reviewers' opinions isn't a very healthy thing to do. Stop being a tool for one gaming company and go try to enjoy some good games. :)

What is so hard for you to understand? 1) Games are in general reviewed relative the current standards on their platforms (this is clearly stated in Gamespots review guidlines). 2) The wii has weaker hardware. 3) Some of the features considered in reviews are directly related to hardware (graphics, physics, AI etc). Which one of these points do u disagree with?

It has slightly weaker hardware, BIG DEAL. Just because it has lower graphical capabilities, that does not mean the games that are reviewed by Gamespot are judged by a lower standard. Most of the Wii exclusives are not even online, so that isn't a factor. It doesn't get the same games, aka multiplats, so they are not being held to a different or lower standard. Reviews are just opinions to begin with, so why is it so important for you to think that the scores are not being implemented fairly?

They clearly state that they use a number of different measurements to judge a game, some against other games in the genre on multiple systems, some against other games on the same system.

By your argument I could say that motion control is of a higher tech than standard controllers, and gameplay is more important than graphics, so PS3 and 360 are held to lower standards. Of course I'd never stoop so low as to use that excuse in the first place.

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#139 HalcyonScarlet
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[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]That bullsh*t excuse has been debunked by the admins and ToU. Try harder.

Bigboi500

Link?

It's called the ToU. Look on the top of the threads here. The only thing Wii has "lower standards" in is graphics.

EDIT: it's not in the Terms of Use, but the administration did clarify their reviewing policy, but I don't know where it's located.

Graphics, Physics, ai and audio.

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#140 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]You're ignoring the standards that come attached with price. That is unwise. 1$ quality game, something like Angry birds is not the same as something like a 60$ The Witcher 2. Even if they both score 9. The quantity and quality is almost exponential. It's not just more, it gets more polished, refined and complex. Or are they equal? And to prove I know you know this is right, imagine you could pick the genres you wanted and the dev's you wanted to make the games and had a choice of choosing 10 AAA titles, but you had choose between arcade titles or bigger retail games. Obviously unless it was some F2P model or something the retail games would be more expensive and arcade games would most likely range the 5-15$ range. 99% of gamers on this board would pick the retail games. And we all know why.locopatho

Standards that come attached with the price? Or, otherwise known as "value." A game can offer little in terms of value, but be genre defining or exceptional. Journey on PSN is a relatively recent example of "poor value" but (supposedly) exceptional in its execution. You are riding on a high horse mantra that dictates retail "high budget retail" trumps all. 99% of the users on this board wouldn't blindly pick an array of titles simply because they're retail, or DD. That is silly.

What about Tetris? Perfect game. Would a phone version for $1 and a PS3 version for $50 score the same?

Of course not.
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#141 locopatho
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[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Standards that come attached with the price? Or, otherwise known as "value." A game can offer little in terms of value, but be genre defining or exceptional. Journey on PSN is a relatively recent example of "poor value" but (supposedly) exceptional in its execution. You are riding on a high horse mantra that dictates retail "high budget retail" trumps all. 99% of the users on this board wouldn't blindly pick an array of titles simply because they're retail, or DD. That is silly.Stevo_the_gamer
What about Tetris? Perfect game. Would a phone version for $1 and a PS3 version for $50 score the same?

Of course not.

Wasn't that his point though? Even a perfect game like Tetris just wouldn't fit our standards for $50 retail games, while it could get GOTY and a perfect score on a phone. Different standards are fairly self evident?
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#142 Eddie-Vedder
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[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]You're ignoring the standards that come attached with price. That is unwise. 1$ quality game, something like Angry birds is not the same as something like a 60$ The Witcher 2. Even if they both score 9. The quantity and quality is almost exponential. It's not just more, it gets more polished, refined and complex. Or are they equal? And to prove I know you know this is right, imagine you could pick the genres you wanted and the dev's you wanted to make the games and had a choice of choosing 10 AAA titles, but you had choose between arcade titles or bigger retail games. Obviously unless it was some F2P model or something the retail games would be more expensive and arcade games would most likely range the 5-15$ range. 99% of gamers on this board would pick the retail games. And we all know why.Stevo_the_gamer

Standards that come attached with the price? Or, otherwise known as "value." A game can offer little in terms of value, but be genre defining or exceptional. Journey on PSN is a relatively recent example of "poor value" but (supposedly) exceptional in its execution. You are riding on a high horse mantra that dictates retail "high budget retail" trumps all. 99% of the users on this board wouldn't blindly pick an array of titles simply because they're retail, or DD. That is silly.

Standards don't come attached with a price, they come attached with quality and content, price is the natural result of that quality and content. Noone is going to charge 60$ for a 2 hour quality tower defense game. You need to go back and read the posts again, it isn't exclusively about price, it really isn't about price at all, the price is just the result.. Ignore price, pick a few of your favourite devs, pick a few of your favourite genres, and tell me, do you want to order 10 AAA arcade titles, or 10 AAA Retail titles. Which would you pick? Retail. Everyone here would pick retail. Or another example, take the 10 best Arcade games from this gen and the 10 best Retail games from this gen, any platform, PC, Iphone whatever. imagine you could only play one of those groups, or gift those games or recommend those games for someone else to play. The 10 AAA retail games would be EVERYONE's pick for obvious reasons. /Win.
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#143 Lord_Omikron666
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[QUOTE="Lord_Omikron666"]

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

I bring forth teh ownage. Stevo and BigBoi read for yourselves.

"We Rate Games According to the Current Standards of Their Platforms and Genres

Every gaming platform is different, especially in terms of its technical features. However, we believe high-quality gaming experiences are possible on all the gaming platforms that we cover. So we review games against the standards of their respective platforms by implicitly comparing them to other games on that same platform and, to a lesser extent, to other games in that genre. As a result, our ratings of games on different platforms are not intended to be directly compared to one another. However, relative comparisons do apply, so a game that scores poorly is a poor game by any standards, while a game that scores extremely high is an outstanding game by any standards."

"We rate games on a scale of 1 (the absolute worst) to 10 (the absolute best). The rating we assign to each game is intended to give you an at-a-glance sense of the overall quality of the game relative to other games on the same platform."

Taken from Gamespot. Not only does the Wii have significantly less technical capabilities, which lower the standards, the lack of thrid party support also lowers the standards from a purely games pov.

The Wii has lower standards, thread invalidated.

Game Over.

Eddie-Vedder

You missed something there buddy.

Nothing was missed lol, that sentence doesn't invalidate the standards moron. It even says relative comparisons. All that says is "However, a bad scoring game is bad and a good scoring game is good." Holy sh1t you guys are bad at this lol.

This is why I'm not even going to bother arguing with childish fanboys.

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I'm sure SMG2 would have scored 10 on any system. However sheeps are trying to claim ownage with their exclusive library AA-AAAA. 8-9 can hardly be thought of as extremely high scores.Sushiglutton
In what world are 9's not considered "extremely high scores"?

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#145 Lord_Omikron666
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[QUOTE="Lord_Omikron666"]

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

I bring forth teh ownage. Stevo and BigBoi read for yourselves.

"We Rate Games According to the Current Standards of Their Platforms and Genres

Every gaming platform is different, especially in terms of its technical features. However, we believe high-quality gaming experiences are possible on all the gaming platforms that we cover. So we review games against the standards of their respective platforms by implicitly comparing them to other games on that same platform and, to a lesser extent, to other games in that genre. As a result, our ratings of games on different platforms are not intended to be directly compared to one another. However, relative comparisons do apply, so a game that scores poorly is a poor game by any standards, while a game that scores extremely high is an outstanding game by any standards."

"We rate games on a scale of 1 (the absolute worst) to 10 (the absolute best). The rating we assign to each game is intended to give you an at-a-glance sense of the overall quality of the game relative to other games on the same platform."

Taken from Gamespot. Not only does the Wii have significantly less technical capabilities, which lower the standards, the lack of thrid party support also lowers the standards from a purely games pov.

The Wii has lower standards, thread invalidated.

Game Over.

Sushiglutton

You missed something there buddy.

I'm sure SMG2 would have scored 10 on any system. However sheeps are trying to claim ownage with their exclusive library AA-AAAA. 8-9 can hardly be thought of as extremely high scores.

An 8 or 9 is a high score though.

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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]You're ignoring the standards that come attached with price. That is unwise. 1$ quality game, something like Angry birds is not the same as something like a 60$ The Witcher 2. Even if they both score 9. The quantity and quality is almost exponential. It's not just more, it gets more polished, refined and complex. Or are they equal? And to prove I know you know this is right, imagine you could pick the genres you wanted and the dev's you wanted to make the games and had a choice of choosing 10 AAA titles, but you had choose between arcade titles or bigger retail games. Obviously unless it was some F2P model or something the retail games would be more expensive and arcade games would most likely range the 5-15$ range. 99% of gamers on this board would pick the retail games. And we all know why.locopatho

Standards that come attached with the price? Or, otherwise known as "value." A game can offer little in terms of value, but be genre defining or exceptional. Journey on PSN is a relatively recent example of "poor value" but (supposedly) exceptional in its execution. You are riding on a high horse mantra that dictates retail "high budget retail" trumps all. 99% of the users on this board wouldn't blindly pick an array of titles simply because they're retail, or DD. That is silly.

What about Tetris? Perfect game. Would a phone version for $1 and a PS3 version for $50 score the same?

On that note, picked up the awesome Tetris Evolution on the 360, it scored a 6.6 purely based on original price of $30 being too much and because "it's Tetris" :roll: (negative from the review). Still best version I think I can get hold of outside of somehow obtaining Tetris the Grand Master from Japan.

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#147 Sushiglutton
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[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"][QUOTE="Lord_Omikron666"]You missed something there buddy.

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I'm sure SMG2 would have scored 10 on any system. However sheeps are trying to claim ownage with their exclusive library AA-AAAA. 8-9 can hardly be thought of as extremely high scores.

An 8 or 9 is a high score though.

I notice you left out the word "extremely" :lol:!
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#148 Sushiglutton
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[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"] I'm sure SMG2 would have scored 10 on any system. However sheeps are trying to claim ownage with their exclusive library AA-AAAA. 8-9 can hardly be thought of as extremely high scores.Bigboi500

In what world are 9's not considered "extremely high scores"?

In the real world. Seriously when you see a game scoring an 8 you say to yourself, "wow that was an extremely high score" :lol:?
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#149 Bigboi500
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[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"] I'm sure SMG2 would have scored 10 on any system. However sheeps are trying to claim ownage with their exclusive library AA-AAAA. 8-9 can hardly be thought of as extremely high scores.Sushiglutton

In what world are 9's not considered "extremely high scores"?

In the real world. Seriously when you see a game scoring an 8 you say to yourself, "wow that was an extremely high score" :lol:?

An 8 is a high score, a 9 is an extremely high score.

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#150 Capitan_Kid
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Lots of sales. Big whoop. Still has no games