#Gamergate - Anita was on Colbert

CENSORSHIP! CENSORSHIP! YOU'RE TRIGGERING ME! CENSORSHIP!

gaming had been pretty shit since the whole affirmative action thing and then the feminist movement just killed everything

oh noes #hazygate !

Because there is nothing wrong with that word or SJW.

It's fascinating how the gaming community can come together because they will argue douche nozzles on the internet shouldn't be used as a generalizations for all gamers, but in the same vein douche nozzles on the internet are being used to generalize all feminists and SJW.

@Desmonic: Its what I do :(

Also I deleted it so that no one would get whacked with a suspension! ;)

For everyone still jumping their guns on this based on hear-say: an article that tries to be impartial on the issue. The most unbiased 'till now, from what I've seen.

@ReadingRainbow4 said:

@clyde46 said:

@ReadingRainbow4 said:

let this be real!

I can definitely see atleast some truth to it, ad compaines are the lifeblood of these sites. It's in their interest to appeal to everyone they can for maximum profit, not just feminazis. I'd love to sit in on some of those skype calls, lol.

Oh please be real PLEASE!!! sidenote has anyone noticed how all of a sudden gamespot is backpeddling, the site has been redesigned Caro...er some people have been let go.Truth be told I now only come here to faff around in system wars

I would like to point out that the gaming community did no such thing. The overwhelming majority of the gaming community knows very little about this non-event, and of the extreme minority who do, most didn't think the subject warrants comment. Here is how you can make your point while leaving the overwhelming majority of clueless bystanders out of it:

It's fascinating how (!You Guys In Particular!) will argue douche nozzles shouldn't be used as a generalizations for all gamers, but in the same vein douche nozzles on the internet are being used to generalize all feminists and SJW.

I hope that helps you differentiate some random internet folk with the entire gaming community in the future.

This is not gonna end well..

When journalists take Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkesian serious, then i have lost all hope. Zoe Quinn screwed herself to coverage and awards. Anita Sarkesian is criticizing gaming without any knowledge, logic or even a passion for gaming. She does it for the money and she is ebegging even now for money. Even after she got 150k for her fucking kicksstarter

God Zoe is doing it again. She made an anonymous post on 4chan calling for attacks on her. There were five responses telling her to **** off then the mods deleted her post.

Suprise suprise later we see a screencap of her post on tweeter along with hundreds of retweets. Whatever pity I still had for her is gone. She doesn't want to be left alone, she wants to stay relevant and a victim.

Same thing happend with her first harassment claims from Wizardchan (a chan for depressed suicidial virgins). Only gaming media covered it without any sort of proof from Zoe, and these people got harassed.

Yet she 's one half of the reason all gaming journalists and some developers turned on millions of gamers.

Minorities supporting #gamergate by saying they are not the other sides' shield with #notyourshield. Seems to be trending already.

If you don't want politics associated with gaming don't ever let me hear you trying to argue that games are art. You can't have it both ways.

This whole thing about journalistic integrity vs. unlawful gamer responses has been building for years.

People are beating their drums over Quinn by applaud politely when a mediocre big budget game receives some epic score from sites like IGN. No one blinks on there because its what they want to hear.

The real issue isn't whether whatever she's showing is real or not. We know how self-entitled and reactionary people in this industry are, like writing abusive comments because they don't agree with an article or a review score. Is anyone really going to contest that gamers are like that? A line in the sand was going to be drawn eventually.

This industry is burning. You've brought it on yourselves.

How is that not the issue? All gaming media turned against their audience. Some with straight attacking us, others with silence, others with just half facts. And now we find out that one of the two women involved is a professional victim despite being a bad human being. How is that not the problem? THAT's literally all it took?

Weren't women there when the industry was founded? Didn't they helped shaped it despite fewer numbers? How the **** are suddenly all gamers sexists, when we're bigger and more diverse than ever. Don't study shows that girl gamers are ever growing?

Also, do you have a solution to the problem?

First of all what this girl does in her private life is none of anyone's damn business and shouldn't be shaped into morally righteous quest for integrity. Its joke that people have taken that line when their approach, like prank calling her dad, has been disgusting.

Just because there have been women involved with games for years, and indeed game communities are more diverse now than before, that doesn't mean that gamers haven't been acting like a group of hyenas.

I don't agree with everything Carolyn wrote on this site but go onto any comments section of an article and video of her and see the horrendous comments people targeted towards her.

Even recently, I was watching a GS Youtube video and people were talking about how much hotter this presenter was than Jess Mcdonell, bagging out her appearance.

I really don't feel sorry for this community, upset at having the gaming media turn against the audience, when for years they've gotten away with murder (metaphor Revan, calm down).

This stretches broader than just abusing women with gamers attacking any author they don't agree with or posting abusive comments to developers because they don't like the direction of the game. Now they've built a rod for their own back.

The solution is to show restraint and think before you post.

The same thing happened in the movie business with Rotten Tomatoes. The abusive comments written to critics caught up with people and they lost that privilege. Just because its the Internet it doesn't mean there aren't consequences.

Ok lets take System Wars people argue with each other, troll each other lot of heated comments. But it's about scores, about consoles, exclusives. And this place is considered really bad by some.

But do you think any of them has been abusive to a woman just because she's a women on the internet? Even less in real life? Some gamers are immature , a lot of them are underaged, and everything on the internet can be terrible where it's impossible to moderate (youtube comments for example). I think it's the way internet has always been and it has nothing to do with gamers being inherently sexist .

Most just want to play video games. Can't we just play video games without going on websites that tell us we're terrible human beings and sexist pigs. Feel bad for what other people have tweeted, be self loathing.

No thanks. I want everyone on the internet to be respectul with each other and have well thought out arguments. Never going to happen.

I'm gonna be honest here I would not admit this on a normal forum. I've been visiting the infamous 4chan for years, various boards from music to video games to sports.So I should be immune to anything on the internet right? Wrong. The way "progressive people" , people who stand for "social justice", people with hipster glasses and funny colored hair behave on twitter made me cry,literally and lose all hope in the future. Infinitely worse than "gamers" or /v/,

@biggest_loser: Thanks for posting Jack Thompson

That's kind of different. I mean yeah, websites cover games. There are advertisements on sites. Publishers fly them out to play the games. But this is different and while I agree that what she does with her personal life is her problem, it does become a bigger issue when she does it for press coverage. People have brought up and complained about those actions I mentioned from publishers. I'm not saying that one is better than the other, but you should know that plenty of big budget games that get high scores are criticized on review pages. Jokes about blank checks and the like are there.

What a lot of people disliked is the coverage that she got when she was attacked when she didn't provide evidence of said attacks while there is proof out there that she had sex with those people in the industry and all the websites choose to ignore that. I mean yeah "its her personal life thats why it isn't covered" but it's an issue for gaming journalism when it is used for coverage. That all made people dig more into her and found more shady things, like her game jam.

Real brilliant, gaming review sites attacking their own demographic because of a handful of trolls.

Fucking idiots.

The high scores are criticised on review pages and boards like this yes but surely you'd agree that they're far outweighed by people flamming abuse and apparently death threats when the score isn't high enough. I think that is partially why sites, particularly IGN, give such hyperbolic reviews that list features because they're scared of upsetting their readers and losing them.

I don't think there is an industry, including films, that puts as much emphasis on scores like video games. If your game gets a score of 7 you're viewed as a failure. By contrast, 70/100 on Metacritic for a film is considered very solid. Guardians of the Galaxy rates in the 70s on Meta.

We know that companies do pressure sites for scores in the 90s and also publishers have websites so tightly by the balls that almost every game now is embargoed till the launch day.

I find that a lot more concerning than mere speculation, because we don't have all the facts, that this girl slept with people for coverage.

Its strange to me that gamers are so comfortable with these practices, the ones they "fight" for when they don't get what they want, yet there's this righteous witch hunt to get this girl because of a rumour.

In other words, they cry when a reviewer is honest about not liking a game yet this supposed dishonesty from Quinn should be punishable. Its a double standard.

Whenever someone farts in the industry you hear about it on gaming media (not really my words).

We have had a case of everyone reporting sexual abuse of female developer at Stardock, even zoe tweeted about this (was proven false at court, the dev apologized, journalists and Zoe never did).

They claimed Zoe was harassed on the internet by Wizardchan (before the entire drama) without any proof whatsoever.Guy at escapist said they didn't need any prove. They vilified Wizardchan and all the suicidal depressed people on there without fact checking.

They didn't want to report on the entire TFYC a charity campaign to get more women in gaming. These people said, enough complaining lets actually get more women in gaming. They didn't want to report and that and get them coverage because "Zoe said it was sexist"

I remember an article on gamespot about some developer arrested for having you know pornography on his hard drive.

Yet nothing on this...Suddenly these people have standards. Suddenly it's too personal.

She slept with a journalist and a guy on an awards board where she won an award (Play the game please and see how award worthy it really is).

Zero coverage. Failing to own up. No responsibility. I didn't care then. About any of it. I avoided the threads.

But instead of owning up they come up with the entire gamers are dead and sexist thing. Absolutely disgusting.

Boogie is not a bigot. Are you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbQk5YqjO0E&list=UU4_bwov47DseacR1-ttTdOg

Spread this around. Tell everyone. Don't let them paint this picture of gamers and get away.

@Revan_911: Boogie is coming out of this with a lot of credibility.

Actually this whole incident should clarify the role of pseudo left politics in the realm of identity politics, which arose out of the "new left" movement and the Frankfurt School. It will only be used to attack culture and arts as collateral damage while targeting living standards and lowering class consciousness worldwide. This whole debacle is a testament to this.

While the sentiment bears a hint of egalitarianism (thus is argued as a subset of egalitarian beliefs), policies and "activism" reflecting these beliefs will always represent sections of the middle class economically. Zoe's actions are such a perfect example of this.

Trending on twitter. A lot of harass and hate from the underground "indie" community. Developers I've never heard off that take themselves too serously. Wonder if they made a decent game between the hundreds of them. Decent indie games usually get mainstream coverage right?

As far as I can understand from the mess twitter they think gaming is holding them back and that it should be art. They think gamers are stupid man-children and that gaming needs to grow up. Remember Phil Twitter breakdowns "GAMERS ARE SHIT YOU DON'T DESERVE MY GAME". It's obvious that this idea has been going on in their community for a long time, tons of discussions about it.

If you can read between the lines of these articles, you can see that they want that. Some kind of Gamer +, where gender politics and social messages are the goal, not making the game fun. Something like the modern art of gaming. "underground indie sites" like Polygon or RPS, Gamasutra. They've been shitting on everything not indie for years. They also want E-sports to go away.

Only problem is they think they're intelectually and morally superior to everyone while in fact they're hypocrites and shit people. They work in cliques, sleep with each other, give each other awards, tied with close friendships. Do you know that two indie developers were immediately blacklisted just because they took a neutral stance? They're shit. Look at their tweets. Full of hate and contempt. These are not the people to bring reform in gaming not that i can be brought. They also have support from indie music guys and some indie movie guys. A lot of indie people that haven't touched a video game in their life

I just don't know why are they stupid enough to think that they can accomplish this? Mainstream movie media didn't shit on all the audience when indie movies got big. What is wrong with these people. Who the hell is stopping them from making "art".

Either way these assholes may have greatly damaged the reputation of video games because it's trending on twitter and everyone are going to spin the story to fit their agenda.

Sexist mysogynerds on one set, feminist bullies on the other

Topic is gaming journalism war on gamers. Thought I'd put these links to who's telling the other side of the story:

I think people have lost sight of the forest for all the trees with this issue.

1. Slandering all gamers for the (alleged) actions of a few makes you as bad, if not worse, than those your pupport to be criticising. Its beyond pathetic.
2. The real issue is the extant to which journalistic integrity has been compromised within the industry as a whole. The gaming industry has been so incestuous over the years and insular that it has never really had the spot light shone on it that more mainstream journalism has. Many sites clearly swap scores for exclusives or advertising (ie IGN/Gertsmangate), others have clearly been in collusion with developers for personal or other reasons, others to push agendas and worst of all simply posting click bait article after click bait article. Its also clear to any reasonable person that many of the sites used by metacritic are little more than fronts for publishers to boost scores and use as advertising slogans (something that they got into trouble for in the movie industry).

Gamers should be taking a stand over the integrity of our hobby and passion rather than being caught up in the minutiae of who slept with whom and railing at a few nutty feminists. Those who are posting the vile attacks on people are simply doing so much harm to the real issues being dodged by the industry and allowing them to push the focus away from themselves.

Hmm. I'm not really sure what to make of this to be honest. I see a lot of ugly attitudes and people on all sides pissed. I don't even want to begin untangling who is right and who isn't at this point. I think I'll be tip toeing around "Gamer Gate".

Try reading some of the articles I linked above. Read some articles coming from "the other side" as well. Get as many info as you can. I agree that it's not wise nor fair to promptly decide what it is or what we think of it before looking into it at least a bit.

Seems legit?

Also what the hell is gamespot /ign doing. They have no stake in this. Come out and say "We don't support harrassement, we don't think all gamers are trash".

Why is this so hard?

My guesses:

• They're waiting to see how things play out before taking a side.
• They're ignoring it to try to avoid damaging their reputation / getting caught in the crossfire.
• CBS is ordering GS to stay out of it (maybe I haven't looked hard enough, but I haven't seen anything from any of the CBS-owned gaming sites)

A lot of the claims related to zoe quinn have not been proven yet. This whole mess may cause legal problems or something else depending on how gamespot responds to the gamergate controversy.That may be why all CBSi owned sites are avoiding responding to gamergate.This whole thing has extended beyond zoe quinn even though she has done some horrible stuff most likely.

Why even talk about zoe quinn? Various articles are only mentioning that it all started with a scandal involving her and makes no further mention of it, or even side with her claims right off the bat to avoid future problems, and then dive into the part of the discussion that matters.

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23writeakotakuarticle&src=typd

LOL "Forced To Handle A Joystick - 5 Brave Women's Stories Of Surviving Controller Rape."

HAHAHAAHAHA!!!

Found this on IGN's forums. BTW is not like I go there, it just appeared on a random Google search about the topic.

They're trying to spin this as gamers hate women. Even though they're apperantl 50% of gamers. And people jump on the bandawggon and believe them.

This is so stupid..

Also I can't read anyhting low res

I wonder why the hell these sites even write this crap

Gamers don't hate women. It's just that gamergate is not really fulfilling it's original purpose anymore. Gamergate to an extent is starting to become a targeted campaign aimed at people that have barely anything to do with the original goals of the gamergate campaign at all.There are some people that are trying to fulfill the original purpose of gamergate still, but they are slowly becoming a minority.

Like? From the videos I've seen everything she's accused of is proven with a lot of evidence to back it up.

Read if you want to rage...at zoe and the state of the world

http://imgur.com/a/4VOcx

@super600: Only one thing got comfirmed: Zoe Quinn is deleting anything negative about her game on steam, negative reviews? criticism? they are all getting responded to by the banhammer, that's all I need to know about Zoe Quinn, she wants to be a dev but doesn't want her game to get criticized, I am allergic to devs that censor feedback, and I mean legit feedback, not silly troll comments and insults

Some of the dates mentioned in the boyfriend's story are not that accurate and people have also used the boyfriends story to create conspiracy theories about the whole thing which results in more inaccurate info being posted about what zoe did(Like zoey doxing herself which is most likely false). Some of the things we know are that she broke her boyfriend's trust when she dated and had sex with one or more guys and that she helped create rebel jam.

Well played.

Best article so far that strikes in the core.

Ican't believe people don't care about this.

http://rpgfanashton.tumblr.com/

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They will attack anyone, even people they claim to be protecting and representing. They will intimidate all who disagree or voice dissent. They bully those who have less influence and power than they do. They doxx anyone who steps out of line. The depressed NEETs over at Wizardchan should have been their primary focus if they wanted to promote a game regarding awareness of depression. Instead, they were harassed, abused, and verbally assaulted at the whims of a few game journaiists. They were the victims of opportunistic jackals who believed that bullying and harassing others is okay. It is not. When we object to this kind of behavior, game journalists will use the standard “straight white male” argument to dismiss us. Some will call us traitors to “the cause.” Some, like game developer Chuck Jordan, will accuse us of lying about being minorities while attacking us, unprovoked. Still others reframe the argument to make us out to be women haters. This is incredibly alarming behavior because it echoes many immoral and unethical actions that have taken place during the history of our country. The Salem Witch Trials, the Red Scare, and McCarthyism were all propaganda driven character assassination campaigns aimed at people who were deemed “inconvenient” or “not progressive.” On a more personal level, it parallels similar incidents that happened to individuals such as Wen Ho Lee, who was crucified and virtually mob lynched by public opinion and bad journalists simply for being different.

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THIS IS A REASONABLE PERSON. Please read and spread. People are showing cult like behavior. This will affect the industry in the long run and it will effect more than that

I took the time to read some of it, and I really have no dog in this fight. But GameSpot and some of the other gaming sites are sites for people that are fans of video games. Not necessarily the hardest of the hardcore that buy every new game. That's cool too, but these places celebrate games. Video games affected my life in a very big way. Why adblock? One quick way to find out there's a game is to see an ad for it. Are you too good to see promotional material from companies that brought memories? Good luck to everyone involved, I hope Depression Quest IS as good as it was portrayed to be. And I hope everything gets taken care of the right way.

@tysonwritesel: Get the game it's free on steam

It's a legit 1/10.

Boderlands 2 writer Anthony Burch calls random people out on twitter for being pedophiles.

You could not make this up.

Well, it was locked, but I guess some of you guys would enjoy reading the OP in this thread I made in the Off-Topic board.