four hours of Button Awesome Dragon age 2

Dragon age 2 bashing leads to a new levels :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SV97ozaD4vs

They should have called it Dragon Age 2 : Getting jumped endlessly in back-alleys.

Contribooting.

Haha! Someone needs to be pretty pissed to bother to do that. Dragon Age 2 must really suck!

:P

It gets me for some reason.

Is dragon age 2 really that bad and unnacceptable? i was thinking of buying it next...

:P

GeneralShowzer

I like DA2, but this actually gave me some lulz :lol:

Is dragon age 2 really that bad and unnacceptable? i was thinking of buying it next...

ioannisdenton

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]

:P

AdobeArtist

I like DA2, but this actually gave me some lulz :lol:

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/6594400/3

It gets me for some reason.

SkyWard20

Is dragon age 2 really that bad and unnacceptable? i was thinking of buying it next...

ioannisdenton

Wow, you know it's bad when people are genuinely saying Final Fantasy 13 was the better game and RPG.

Dragon Age 2 pisses people off not because it's truly a horrible game. But because it could have been a great game.

The story tellign is there. The character development is there.

But the plot loses focus. The RPG elements are stripped or dumbed down. The areas are sparse and repetitive. There is literally 1 cave in the whole game that kepts repeated ad-naseum. One coastal area. One or two mansion floor plans. The areas of Kirkwall itself never change.

This game should have been released March 2012. With more aras to Kirkwall that change as the story progress, and are revealed based on plot elements. With more areas to represent the environments around the city. This includes more caves/crypts/dungeons, etc.

The plot should have been a bit more in focus. It's nto a bad idea to suddenly reveal the "true" villain in the end, but there needs to be some clear goals and villains to ground the story.

The game could have been great. But it fell WAY short due to simply inexcusable stuff, stuff that a company like Bioware should have known was not going to meet with their previous standards.

EA and Bioware have to realize that you CAN'T create an epic RPG experience in 1 year. That's the stuff ou can pull off with a corridor shooter, NOT an RPG.

The unfortunate truth is probaly ahrd ot swallow for a company like Bioware and for EA stock holders/chief staff.

They probably think: Well a corridor FPS will be cheaper and easier to develop AND it will net us MORE money. So why the hell should we create a costly, complex, RPG that will take 2-3 years to develop and people won't pay more money for?

Wow, you know it's bad when people are genuinely saying Final Fantasy 13 was the better game and RPG.

Kan0nF0dder

Who actually says this? :?:?

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Wow, you know it's bad when people are genuinely saying Final Fantasy 13 was the better game and RPG.

AdobeArtist

Who actually says this? :?:?

The unfortunate truth is probaly ahrd ot swallow for a company like Bioware and for EA stock holders/chief staff.

They probably think: Well a corridor FPS will be cheaper and easier to develop AND it will net us MORE money. So why the hell should we create a costly, complex, RPG that will take 2-3 years to develop and people won't pay more money for?

Kinthalis

If that's anywhere close to the truth (and it might be) Bioware isn't going to be a very popular company for long and EA will have wasted their money.

Wow, you know it's bad when people are genuinely saying Final Fantasy 13 was the better game and RPG.

Kan0nF0dder

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[QUOTE="Kan0nF0dder"]

Wow, you know it's bad when people are genuinely saying Final Fantasy 13 was the better game and RPG.

Locutus_Picard

Who actually says this? :?:?

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]The unfortunate truth is probaly ahrd ot swallow for a company like Bioware and for EA stock holders/chief staff.

They probably think: Well a corridor FPS will be cheaper and easier to develop AND it will net us MORE money. So why the hell should we create a costly, complex, RPG that will take 2-3 years to develop and people won't pay more money for?

Kan0nF0dder

If that's anywhere close to the truth (and it might be) Bioware isn't going to be a very popular company for long and EA will have wasted their money.

[QUOTE="Kan0nF0dder"]

Wow, you know it's bad when people are genuinely saying Final Fantasy 13 was the better game and RPG.

MrSelf-Destruct

But every time you hammered 'A' didn't something awesome happen?

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[QUOTE="Kan0nF0dder"]

Wow, you know it's bad when people are genuinely saying Final Fantasy 13 was the better game and RPG.

Locutus_Picard

Who actually says this? :?:?

You mean the game that every reviewer says takes 15-20 hours before getting off the linear path and into the open world where the "good stuff" happens? The game without actual role playing, as like with most JRPG are simply controlling a pre-defined character?

While I can concede some of the shortcomings in DA2 (recycled levels, respawning enemies, inventory that is too heavily restricted), I'm simply not buying FF13 of all the games out there as an example of the "better RPG or game".

There are so many of these...

BioWare earning respect back? Among who, the elite BioWare fanboys? :lol:
It sure isn't going to help the ones that bought Dragon Age II. They pulled a Square Enix on us...earning respect to the point you don't even need to read reviews before purchasing your game...make your latest installment heavily commercialized and tacked-on drama full of cliché and nothing like your formers games...abandon the game and count your money from those early adopters. With FF it was worse since we waited for over 6 years for it...
But pretty much nothing can touch DAII as dissapointment of the year. BUTTON AWESOME CONNECTED

[QUOTE="Locutus_Picard"][QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

Who actually says this? :?:?

AdobeArtist

You mean the game that every reviewer says takes 15-20 hours before getting off the linear path and into the open world where the "good stuff" happens? The game without actual role playing, as like with most JRPG are simply controlling a pre-defined character?

While I can concede some of the shortcomings in DA2 (recycled levels, respawning enemies, inventory that is too heavily restricted), I'm simply not buying FF13 of all the games out there as an example of the "better RPG or game".

[QUOTE="Locutus_Picard"][QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

Who actually says this? :?:?

AdobeArtist

You mean the game that every reviewer says takes 15-20 hours before getting off the linear path and into the open world where the "good stuff" happens? The game without actual role playing, as like with most JRPG are simply controlling a pre-defined character?

While I can concede some of the shortcomings in DA2 (recycled levels, respawning enemies, inventory that is too heavily restricted), I'm simply not buying FF13 of all the games out there as an example of the "better RPG or game".

BioWare earning respect back? Among who, the elite BioWare fanboys? :lol:
It sure isn't going to help the ones that bought Dragon Age II. They pulled a Square Enix on us...earning respect to the point you don't even need to read reviews before purchasing your game...make your latest installment heavily commercialized and tacked-on drama full of cliché and nothing like your formers games...abandon the game and count your money from those early adopters. With FF it was worse since we waited for over 6 years for it...
But pretty much nothing can touch DAII as dissapointment of the year. BUTTON AWESOME CONNECTED

Locutus_Picard

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[QUOTE="Locutus_Picard"] FF13 sadly is the better RPG. :(Locutus_Picard

You mean the game that every reviewer says takes 15-20 hours before getting off the linear path and into the open world where the "good stuff" happens? The game without actual role playing, as like with most JRPG are simply controlling a pre-defined character?

While I can concede some of the shortcomings in DA2 (recycled levels, respawning enemies, inventory that is too heavily restricted), I'm simply not buying FF13 of all the games out there as an example of the "better RPG or game".

Just 3 stats? Sooooo, you never actually played DA2. Because the game I played had attribute stats for Strength, Dexterity, Magic, Willpower, Cunning, and Constitution. How you distribute the points into the attributes affects ratings in damage dealing & proficiency with different weapon types (swords, daggers, bows, magic staves), percentage to hit, defensive ratings, health pool, resistances (physical, mental, and elemenatal) and how much stamina/mana is available to make use of skills, and so on. The attributes also effect proficiency with the skills and abilities you choose to purchase in your various cIass skill trees.

I cannot speak of what kind of character building setup FF13 has, in terms of stats, cIass abilities, and how the two connect. But yeah, it does win in the graphics category. So are you going to argue that graphics always determines the better overall game?

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[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

You mean the game that every reviewer says takes 15-20 hours before getting off the linear path and into the open world where the "good stuff" happens? The game without actual role playing, as like with most JRPG are simply controlling a pre-defined character?

While I can concede some of the shortcomings in DA2 (recycled levels, respawning enemies, inventory that is too heavily restricted), I'm simply not buying FF13 of all the games out there as an example of the "better RPG or game".

AdobeArtist

Just 3 stats? Sooooo, you never actually played DA2. Because the game I played had attribute stats for Strength, Dexterity, Magic, Willpower, Cunning, and Constitution. How you distribute the points into the attributes affects ratings in damage dealing & proficiency with different weapon types (swords, daggers, bows, magic staves), percentage to hit, defensive ratings, health pool, resistances (physical, mental, and elemenatal) and how much stamina/mana is available to make use of skills, and so on. The attributes also effect proficiency with the skills and abilities you choose to purchase in your various cIass skill trees.

I cannot speak of what kind of character building setup FF13 has, in terms of stats, cIass abilities, and how the two connect. But yeah, it does win in the graphics category. So are you going to argue that graphics always determines the better overall game?

[QUOTE="Locutus_Picard"]

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

You mean the game that every reviewer says takes 15-20 hours before getting off the linear path and into the open world where the "good stuff" happens? The game without actual role playing, as like with most JRPG are simply controlling a pre-defined character?

While I can concede some of the shortcomings in DA2 (recycled levels, respawning enemies, inventory that is too heavily restricted), I'm simply not buying FF13 of all the games out there as an example of the "better RPG or game".

AdobeArtist

Just 3 stats? Sooooo, you never actually played DA2. Because the game I played had attribute stats for Strength, Dexterity, Magic, Willpower, Cunning, and Constitution. How you distribute the points into the attributes affects ratings in damage dealing & proficiency with different weapon types (swords, daggers, bows, magic staves), percentage to hit, defensive ratings, health pool, resistances (physical, mental, and elemenatal) and how much stamina/mana is available to make use of skills, and so on. The attributes also effect proficiency with the skills and abilities you choose to purchase in your various cIass skill trees.

I cannot speak of what kind of character building setup FF13 has, in terms of stats, cIass abilities, and how the two connect. But yeah, it does win in the graphics category. So are you going to argue that graphics always determines the better overall game?

dragon age 2 is a solid 9 in my book. yeah it gets repetive at times with the same areas but the characters and the story make up for it with me, sucks you guys didn't like it but i did so meh.

dragon age 2 is a solid 9 in my book. yeah it gets repetive at times with the same areas but the characters and the story make up for it with me, sucks you guys didn't like it but i did so meh.

Chris_Williams

meanwhile in the official bioware forum this happens

Not funny. Pretty bad attempts.

I think you guys are missing the whole point here. "Button, awsome." That's what this game is delivering. More buttons, and more awsome. How can you go wrong with that?

[QUOTE="Locutus_Picard"][QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

Who actually says this? :?:?

AdobeArtist

You mean the game that every reviewer says takes 15-20 hours before getting off the linear path and into the open world where the "good stuff" happens? The game without actual role playing, as like with most JRPG are simply controlling a pre-defined character?

While I can concede some of the shortcomings in DA2 (recycled levels, respawning enemies, inventory that is too heavily restricted), I'm simply not buying FF13 of all the games out there as an example of the "better RPG or game".

DA2 felt a lot like a jrpg to me. The main feature of a wrpg which is the ability to shape the story was lacking on DA2. The streamlined inventory reminded me of an jrpg. The flashy over the top animations and artstyle didn't help either.

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[QUOTE="Locutus_Picard"] You have at least 5 slots to equip per character and you have 3 stats. FF13 is the better game since it looks prettier, crisper and has some decent music in it. The story is probably equally as bad in both games and I think that DAII wins in side-quests and optional stuff. Though you don't see much recycled environments in FF13 since it's godaweful linear. As shallow as the game looks, SE has at least put some finesse and detail into the game.
DAII is more like a bad expansion to Origins.

MrSelf-Destruct

Just 3 stats? Sooooo, you never actually played DA2. Because the game I played had attribute stats for Strength, Dexterity, Magic, Willpower, Cunning, and Constitution. How you distribute the points into the attributes affects ratings in damage dealing & proficiency with different weapon types (swords, daggers, bows, magic staves), percentage to hit, defensive ratings, health pool, resistances (physical, mental, and elemenatal) and how much stamina/mana is available to make use of skills, and so on. The attributes also effect proficiency with the skills and abilities you choose to purchase in your various cIass skill trees.

I cannot speak of what kind of character building setup FF13 has, in terms of stats, cIass abilities, and how the two connect. But yeah, it does win in the graphics category. So are you going to argue that graphics always determines the better overall game?

I see I misunderstood to which game the comment was directed. Now lots of games let you level up your character, like the Wolverine movie game and Force Unleashed, yet they are not RPGs. When I talked about "actual role playing", I meant just that; being able to make choices in which you define your character, in attitude and personality. Through your interactions with the world around you the character becomes an extension of yourself. This is actual role playing. There's a difference between role playing as your character, and merely being in control of a pre-defined character, usually just in combat and getting them from point A to B in the levels.

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[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

Just 3 stats? Sooooo, you never actually played DA2. Because the game I played had attribute stats for Strength, Dexterity, Magic, Willpower, Cunning, and Constitution. How you distribute the points into the attributes affects ratings in damage dealing & proficiency with different weapon types (swords, daggers, bows, magic staves), percentage to hit, defensive ratings, health pool, resistances (physical, mental, and elemenatal) and how much stamina/mana is available to make use of skills, and so on. The attributes also effect proficiency with the skills and abilities you choose to purchase in your various cIass skill trees.

I cannot speak of what kind of character building setup FF13 has, in terms of stats, cIass abilities, and how the two connect. But yeah, it does win in the graphics category. So are you going to argue that graphics always determines the better overall game?

AdobeArtist

I see I misunderstood to which game the comment was directed. Now lots of games let you level up your character, like the Wolverine movie game and Force Unleashed, yet they are not RPGs. When I talked about "actual role playing", I meant just that; being able to make choices in which you define your character, in attitude and personality. Through your interactions with the world around you the character becomes an extension of yourself. This is actual role playing. There's a difference between role playing as your character, and merely being in control of a pre-defined character, usually just in combat and getting them from point A to B in the levels.

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[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"] You implied that FF13 had no actual role-playing. He was just correcting you by saying it had 5 equipment slots and 3 stats, not that it was better than DA2's role-playing. How does that make it that he didn't play DA2?

MrSelf-Destruct

I see I misunderstood to which game the comment was directed. Now lots of games let you level up your character, like the Wolverine movie game and Force Unleashed, yet they are not RPGs. When I talked about "actual role playing", I meant just that; being able to make choices in which you define your character, in attitude and personality. Through your interactions with the world around you the character becomes an extension of yourself. This is actual role playing. There's a difference between role playing as your character, and merely being in control of a pre-defined character, usually just in combat and getting them from point A to B in the levels.

In FF games the names of the character's are already determined, yet people still uphold that as an RPG. OK, lets look at a WRPG, The Witcher. Character is set to the name Geralt, and nothing you do can change that. Yet no one disputes this to be an RPG either. Am I sensing double standards here?

However in the cases of Witcher, DA2, and Mass Effect, while the name has been predetermined, that is just a starting point template. Once the game actually begins, how the character grows and develops in relation to his/her party and the setting is up to you as the player.

Can the same be said of FF13 (or any other FF game) which has been proposed to be the "better RPG than DA2"? When the interactions occur in the FF games, they are pulled from the players hands who can only passively observe how the scenario unfolds. It's entirely scripted, so the main character's traits and attitudes towards the given situation are already determined not by the player, but by the developer. How is that role playing?

[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"][QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

I see I misunderstood to which game the comment was directed. Now lots of games let you level up your character, like the Wolverine movie game and Force Unleashed, yet they are not RPGs. When I talked about "actual role playing", I meant just that; being able to make choices in which you define your character, in attitude and personality. Through your interactions with the world around you the character becomes an extension of yourself. This is actual role playing. There's a difference between role playing as your character, and merely being in control of a pre-defined character, usually just in combat and getting them from point A to B in the levels.

AdobeArtist

In FF games the names of the character's are already determined, yet people still uphold that as an RPG. OK, lets look at a WRPG, The Witcher. Character is set to the name Geralt, and nothing you do can change that. Yet no one disputes this to be an RPG either. Am I sensing double standards here?

However in the cases of Witcher, DA2, and Mass Effect, while the name has been predetermined, that is just a starting point template. Once the game actually begins, how the character grows and develops in relation to his/her party and the setting is up to you as the player.

Can the same be said of FF13 (or any other FF game) which has been proposed to be the "better RPG than DA2"? When the interactions occur in the FF games, they are pulled from the players hands who can only passively observe how the scenario unfolds. It's entirely scripted, so the main character's traits and attitudes towards the given situation are already determined not by the player, but by the developer. How is that role playing?

The game is worse than the original but has a better story and the combat (at least on PC) makes rogues a little more practical. Overall I'd give it an 8.. the story is fun and some of the choices are truly meaningful (from what I've seen so far at least.. if I ever get around to a second play through I'll do the opposite of what I did the first time and see how it works out).

However bioware seriously needs to stop copy pasting dungeons and even the encounters (while only changing which enemy appears), it's lazy and they did it in ME1, DA1 and DA2... please bioware.. stop doing this non-sense.

Relevant picture is relevant.

and whats so wrong about Awesome

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I actually like Dragon Age 2. I don't really get the immense hate it receives here. It has its problems, but it improves over Origins in a lot of areas.