For those in denial, Dark Souls is JRPG, not a WRPG

Wow this is pathetic. This stupid flaming allowance is making everyone a jack ass, I think they should stop this stupid novelty.

OB-47

"Making everyone a jackass"?

Naive much?

If anything System Wars finally arrived to the point it was always meant to be. Being moderated for having a tone that even just slightly deviates from herp derp everyone loves everyone else is the reason a lot of people didn't even bother with System Wars in the first place and the reason many people left.

On topic, why was this thread necessary? The number of people I saw calling Dark Souls a WRPG could be counted on one hand.

It all depends whether you consider jRPG to mean "japanese RPGs" or "japanese-styled RPGs"

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"][QUOTE="Kolev_Plus"]For those in denial, Dark Souls is terrible, not great.Kolev_Plus

So you hate RPGs, I get it. Also you seem to be a troll, is this true?parkurtommo

"hate RPGs"?

It's more likely he actually knows something about them.

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"]So you hate RPGs, I get it. Also you seem to be a troll, is this true?N30F3N1X

"hate RPGs"?

It's more likely he actually knows something about them.

Spectacular, spectacular thread fail.

"I'm no fan of the genre westerners refer to as the JRPG"
-Demon's Souls / Dark Souls producer

"I've always loved the dark fantasy genre, from Wizardry [American RPG] right through to King's Field [Japanese, first-person RPG]. Yet games that assume that aesthetic these days are usually, at their heart, more like science-fiction. So my desire was to revisit this lost area of gaming, to rediscover a charismatic corner of the medium."
- Demon's Souls / Dark Souls producer

"...But I'd always wanted to make a dark fantasy game that drew on the Fighting Fantasy series of books [American series, by Steve Jackson]. The Demon's Souls project was that opening that I'd always been waiting for."
- Demon's Souls / Dark Souls director

Just saying - they seem to recognize that there is a distinguishing line drawn between JRPG and WRPG in this part of the world, and they specifically set out to not make what we would call a JRPG.

He probably hasn't even played Dark Souls, and if he did I doubt he'll get far with that childish attitudeparkurtommo

What has that to do with hating RPGs :? ?

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"]He probably hasn't even played Dark Souls, and if he did I doubt he'll get far with that childish attitudeN30F3N1X

What has that to do with hating RPGs :? ?

What is a chinese RPG? Its not western... Its not Japanese...

What is a chinese RPG? Its not western... Its not Japanese...

MacBoomStick

Spectacular, spectacular thread fail.

"I'm no fan of the genre westerners refer to as the JRPG"
-Demon's Souls / Dark Souls producer

"I've always loved the dark fantasy genre, from Wizardry [American RPG] right through to King's Field [Japanese, first-person RPG]. Yet games that assume that aesthetic these days are usually, at their heart, more like science-fiction. So my desire was to revisit this lost area of gaming, to rediscover a charismatic corner of the medium."
- Demon's Souls / Dark Souls producer

"...But I'd always wanted to make a dark fantasy game that drew on the Fighting Fantasy series of books [American series, by Steve Jackson]. The Demon's Souls project was that opening that I'd always been waiting for."
- Demon's Souls / Dark Souls director

Just saying - they seem to recognize that there is a distinguishing line drawn between JRPG and WRPG in this part of the world, and they specifically set out to not make what we would call a JRPG.

Makari

Got a link?

Do we call games WFPS (western FPS)? EUFPS (european FPS?)? No, because they're the same. WRPG's and JRPG's tend to be different, as I said.SaltyMeatballs

You could actually make a distinction between Eastern-European FPSs and American FPSs. The difference would be based on generalisations, and rather hard to capture in words, but it's certainly there.

There'll always be exceptions, cross-overs, and dubious cases, but I think we all know roughly what a person means when they refer to a typical JRPG or a typical WRPG.

Im sorry, neonninja, but ur wrong on this one.

JRPGs vs WRPGs are terms used by gamers to talk about games (just like FPS, RTS and other terms). The reason you use these terms is because when you want to tell your fellow gamer about a game you enjoyed, you want to describe it as close as possible. Thats why you say "Its a FPS" (and he will know that its something like Halo), "its a JRPG" (and he will know its something like Final Fantasy) or "its a WRPG" and he will know its something like Witcher 2.

Maybe its confusing for you that those terms contain the words "japanese" and "western" to distinguish those genres - well thats because most JRPGs happen to be developed by japanese developers while most WRPGs are developed by western developers, but when you talk with your fellow gamer about the game, the information you want to pass him by stating its an JRPG certainly isnt where the developer happens to come from. You want to tell him what kind of game it is.

That is why there are some great JRPGs developed by western developers (Septerra Core) and WRPGs developed by japanese devs (Demons Souls).

It's racist to say that a JRPG is any RPG made by Japanese people. JRPG is a style of RPG that was made by Japanese people. Dark Souls was a game made by Japanese devs who wanted to make a WRPG. I thought we were attaching these labels to the games, not the people.

GunSmith1_basic

Well said. Its always refreshing to read a post by someone who doesnt lack respect and intelligence.

I still think that the term JRPG and WRPG should die off. I know that they have different elements from each other but we should still use new terms for them instead of J And W RPG.

"bububububu there can't be good JRPGs!"BrunoBRS

Wow. People getting mad at the wrong people. Amazing. Dark Souls is a JRPG btw. shalashaska88

You were presented by valid factual arguments in this thread and all you can do is this post? :roll: I have to remember your nickname so that I wont take you seriously by accident on any occassion. :|

[QUOTE="shalashaska88"]Wow. People getting mad at the wrong people. Amazing. Dark Souls is a JRPG btw. BlbecekBobecek

You were presented by valid factual arguments in this thread and all you can do is this post? :roll: I have to remember your nickname so that I wont take you seriously by accident on any occassion. :|

Not gonna lie, i was one of those people who thought it was about the Style of the game, but yeah, i'm agree is much more convinient that way...so yeah, Dark Souls best JRPG this year and also best RPG this year, but only because i didn't play Xenoblade.

but only because i didn't play Xenoblade.

madsnakehhh

I can't for the life of me understand how people think JRPG and WRPG are different genres of RPG as opposed to a geographic difference. Let's put our heads together here, folks. JRPG stands for Japanese Role-Playing Game. WRPG stands for Western Role-Playing Game. In an ideal world these stupid titles wouldn't exist because in the end, regardless of where a game is made, it's a ROLE-PLAYING GAME. Regardless, we're stuck with the names, but every time there's a discussion on the top WRPG of the year, some fool has to mention Dark Souls.

It's a JRPG. No, JRPG is not a genre. Action RPG is a genre, which Dark Souls is.

And I know some people will say, "but Dark Souls is nothing like Final Fantasy." That's because Final Fantasy isn't an action-RPG, but they're both JRPGs. You wouldn't go and say King's Bounty and Deus Ex aren't both WRPGs because they play completely differently from one another, so why try and separate Dark Souls from other JRPGs?

Dark Souls is just as much of an action-RPG as Tales of Vesperia is and just as much of an action-RPG as Mass Effect is. You are in full control of your characters actions and success is based just as much on your reflexes as it is your stats.

So let's stamp out the ignorance already, JRPG is not a genre. I don't get why so many users here try and act like JRPGs all suck, but when they find one they like, it suddenly isn't a JRPG. :roll:

NeonNinja

[QUOTE="shalashaska88"]Wow. People getting mad at the wrong people. Amazing. Dark Souls is a JRPG btw. BlbecekBobecek

You were presented by valid factual arguments in this thread and all you can do is this post? :roll: I have to remember your nickname so that I wont take you seriously by accident on any occassion. :|

What is a chinese RPG? Its not western... Its not Japanese...

MacBoomStick

Chinese people make games? I'm pretty sure that Mexico makes the discs, so that can't be true.....

[QUOTE="Makari"]

Spectacular, spectacular thread fail.

"I'm no fan of the genre westerners refer to as the JRPG"
-Demon's Souls / Dark Souls producer

"I've always loved the dark fantasy genre, from Wizardry [American RPG] right through to King's Field [Japanese, first-person RPG]. Yet games that assume that aesthetic these days are usually, at their heart, more like science-fiction. So my desire was to revisit this lost area of gaming, to rediscover a charismatic corner of the medium."
- Demon's Souls / Dark Souls producer

"...But I'd always wanted to make a dark fantasy game that drew on the Fighting Fantasy series of books [American series, by Steve Jackson]. The Demon's Souls project was that opening that I'd always been waiting for."
- Demon's Souls / Dark Souls director

Just saying - they seem to recognize that there is a distinguishing line drawn between JRPG and WRPG in this part of the world, and they specifically set out to not make what we would call a JRPG.

jhcho2

Got a link?

If you followed more interviews from around the time, TLDR they were aware of the concept of 'JRPG,' though they don't really use it in Japan (surprise), and set out to specifically make a different kind of game that's more inspired by the old-school RPGs of the late 80's and early 90's, a la Ultima Underworld or something. It's also hard to find interviews from around that time frame - everything on Google's been taken over by more recent Dark Souls discussion.

Also interesting is that everybody hated the game from the get-go and they were all depressed about it before word of mouth made it popular, and that they had to 'hide' the difficulty of the game from the marketing people to get it green-lit in the first place.

[QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]

[QUOTE="shalashaska88"]Wow. People getting mad at the wrong people. Amazing. Dark Souls is a JRPG btw. shalashaska88

You were presented by valid factual arguments in this thread and all you can do is this post? :roll: I have to remember your nickname so that I wont take you seriously by accident on any occassion. :|

[QUOTE="MacBoomStick"]

What is a chinese RPG? Its not western... Its not Japanese...

Tikeio

Chinese people make games? I'm pretty sure that Mexico makes the discs, so that can't be true.....

[QUOTE="Tikeio"]

[QUOTE="MacBoomStick"]

What is a chinese RPG? Its not western... Its not Japanese...

RavenLoud

Chinese people make games? I'm pretty sure that Mexico makes the discs, so that can't be true.....

CRPG is already reserved for computer RPG as well as cRPG for console RPG.

[QUOTE="RavenLoud"]

[QUOTE="Tikeio"]

Chinese people make games? I'm pretty sure that Mexico makes the discs, so that can't be true.....

glez13

CRPG is already reserved for computer RPG as well as cRPG for console RPG.

What about CRPG for Canada RPG? For Bioware games I mean.

JRPG=RPG made in Japan

WRPG=RPG made in US or Europe

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JRPG=RPG made in Japan

WRPG=RPG made in US or Europe

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Shenmue_Jehuty

[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]but only because i didn't play Xenoblade.

Stevo_the_gamer

JRPG=RPG made in Japan

WRPG=RPG made in US or Europe

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Shenmue_Jehuty

Nonsense.

We only make the distinction because of the type of game. We do not make any geographical distinction for any other genre. Therefore it's the type of game we are distinguishing not the origin.

I always thought JRPG denotes a specific aesthetic and game design approach to RPGs employed by Japanese developers. If the distinction is indeed geographical, why don't we also have JFPS, JTPS, JRTS etc.?

The abbreviations make it pretty clear. One is from Japan. One is from the west. If you wanna describe and group gameplay conventions, just do that. There is no such thing as a western or eastern gaming convention.

The abbreviations make it pretty clear. One is from Japan. One is from the west. If you wanna describe and group gameplay conventions, just do that. There is no such thing as a western or eastern gaming convention.

ActicEdge

So you're ignoring the fact that JRPGs and WRPGs are distinct types of game? And you're ignoring that as many people have pointed out, we don't make the geographical distinction for ANY other game? We don't have Jplatformers or Eracers or whatever.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

The abbreviations make it pretty clear. One is from Japan. One is from the west. If you wanna describe and group gameplay conventions, just do that. There is no such thing as a western or eastern gaming convention.

Chemical_Viking

So you're ignoring the fact that JRPGs and WRPGs are distinct types of game? And you're ignoring that as many people have pointed out, we don't make the geographical distinction for ANY other game? We don't have Jplatformers or Eracers or whatever.

I would agree with you, the distinction is pretty stupid in of itself. I do think however that the use of "Japanese" or "Western" in front of the "Role Playing Game" doesn't do anything to describe what is so distinct about the games besides their territory. Just as WFPS or JFPS says nothing about what makes the FPS different neither does WRPG or JRPG. That's why the convention is stupid and I simply don't see why you would use it to have some sort of description not relating to the word. I feel that's logical. As I said, there is no such thing as a western or eastern game convention. Its all just mechanics free for use by anyone.

I really enjoy the new ToU

There have been serious arguments that favor the idea that WRPG and JRPG is more to do with the type of game than the region that made the game, and no one is answering these.

Some of you are saying that it is geographical? I am a caucasian from the west, so what if I rented a studio in Tokyo and made an RPG there, but I used all western personel, style, etc.? I guess that would be a JRPG then? LOL. This isn't about geography (as if that would be an interesting descriptor anyway)

Anyone who thinks you have to be Japanese to make a JRPG is a racist, or at best culturally chovanistic.

Nobody is giving a good answer to this and I think it's time that the board acknowledged that Dark Souls is a WRPG (Western-styled Role Playing Game)

There have been serious arguments that favor the idea that WRPG and JRPG is more to do with the type of game than the region that made the game, and no one is answering these.

I am a caucasian from the west, so what if I rented a studio in Tokyo and made an RPG there, but I used all western personel, style, etc.? I guess that would be a JRPG then? LOL

Anyone who thinks you have to be Japanese to make a JRPG is a racist, or at best culturally chovanistic.

Nobody is giving a good answer to this and I think it's time that the board acknowledged that Dark Souls is a WRPG (Western-styled Role Playing Game)

GunSmith1_basic

That's because there's no answer to those posts other than "I guess I was wrong"

And nobody likes being wrong, so they'll just ignore them.