Fallout 3 to be approachable to newcomers!

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#201 skrat_01
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Hurrah.

From the gameplay videos it looks meh.

From Beths recent history and handling of the game it looks meh.

But casual gamers can pick it up - like Oblivion, and be completely oblivious to the crap shallow game design, and recessive nature of the game, compared to its originals.

Zenkuso

I'm still getting the game even being a fan of the originals, its not like I won't beat it in 3 days and can't on sell it for next to the same price I bought it for.

I'll keep the lunch box for work, I actually think thats a nice collector piece :P

I do really want the lunchbox. It looks awesome.
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#202 naval
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In a surprising turn of events, Bethesda decided to cater to newcomers of the Fallout series with their magnum opus Fallout 3, surprising considering how obscure and niche the game was looking in terms of appeal.

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that was totally expected and not really surprising

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#203 anshul89
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[QUOTE="BobHipJames"]

In a surprising turn of events, Bethesda decided to cater to newcomers of the Fallout series with their magnum opus Fallout 3, surprising considering how obscure and niche the game was looking in terms of appeal.

naval

that was totally expected and not really surprising

your sarcasm detector is broken ;)
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#204 naval
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[QUOTE="naval"][QUOTE="BobHipJames"]

In a surprising turn of events, Bethesda decided to cater to newcomers of the Fallout series with their magnum opus Fallout 3, surprising considering how obscure and niche the game was looking in terms of appeal.

anshul89

that was totally expected and not really surprising

your sarcasm detector is broken ;)

oh yeah, but i thought the it was the website that had written those stuff and not the tc.

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[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]sounds good to me.FrozenLiquid

Sometimes I reckon the game should just be renamed into some spinoff Fallout title instead of the canonical "Fallout 3". That way, the Fallout fans won't ***** and moan like the world's crumbling over.

It honestly sounds like they're being ripped apart from the inside-out, and big old ugly Bethesda are having them at the table at medium-rare.

I've never seen this amount of pathetic fanatacism ever. This kind of childishness should only be reserved for the Star Wars fans who say Lucas "raped their childhood".

People got over the Matrix sequels. Why are we not letting go of this?

The fact of the matter is, the original Fallout games remain intact. Unlike the unfortunate Star Wars crowd (read: Star Wars special editions), Bethesda are not updating the previous games for the next generation, so Fallout fans have no reason to complain. You can play them if you want to, and they'll be just as good as they were back when they were released. Just because this new game bears the title "Fallout 3", does not automatically make the Black Isle games (Fallout and Fallout 2 in name) suck. Again, they're still the same.

If it's pride you're looking for, then seriously, just humble yourselves.


The bitterness of Fallout fans is not a puzzle solved easily. There are several problems to face that we'll take on one by one:

(1) We should determine what the bitterness is all about and with that ask ourselves whether it is about just being bitter or about caring,

(2) We should examine how the attitudes of Fallout fans, and their receptiveness to the evolution of the game franchise, has changed through the years,

(3) We should examine how the nature of fan-developer interaction has changed with each addition of the franchise and how this has contributed to the bitterness and disappointment of fallout fans.

The distinction of whether Fallout fans have the right to feel bitter, or whether that bitterness is more honestly understood as representing their right to care, has been one of the most contested questions surrounding the fallout community. At heart is the right to an individual to have an opinion on something he cares about. This value is so essential a part of our culture that one may not even consider it a question, but for the way the gaming industry has evolved.

The gaming industry believes it is in a position to dictate terms to the community by being the only provider of the resource the community desires. Because it is in a seller-buyer relationship it seeks to maximize profits and must develop a PR campaign with the community. However, its power as seller means the industry believes it can determine the scope of that relationship because of its ability as seller to withhold that which the community (the buyer) desires.

The message is simple. If you don't like what we make, then you're not a true fan. If you don't like our product then don't buy it. But if you don't like it then we won't listen to you. If you don't like it, blacklist.

For the buyers themselves, this has created a collective mindset that would fit in Zamyatin's dystopic vision. There is little room for constructive or critical feedback from the buyer of unsatisfactory products. This discourages the buyer from anticipating the rewards derived from the buyer-seller relationship and silences critical voices.

But how fair is this? One could argue that Bethesda is "just" a company trying to make money. That doesn't work, because the Fallout fans (or indeed any fans) have no particular reason to be concerned with Bethesda's motivation in choosing a reaction. If Bethesda feels motivated purely by profit, fine, but that'll not spare them the rod.


"Beyond doubt the sleaziest and rudest and most sinister mob of thugs and whackos ever assembled in such numbers under a single "roof," so to speak, anywhere in the English-speaking world."-Hunter S. Thompson on Raiders fansThe bitterness of a fan group is often a measure of its loyalty and devotion. For instance, one could turn open any page of Miller and Mayhew's "Better to Reign in Hell" about the relationship of the 2003 Raiders and their fans, for evidence of the bitterness of dedicated Raider fans. Raider fans have frequently demonstrated their right to criticize Al Davis and his mismanagement of their fandom and any who would deny the right of the fans to be bitter would either be blind, suicidal or both.

If this right to criticise by dedication applies to a multi-billion dollar business like American Football, why do people pretend it does not apply to the relationship of players to computer games? The Raiders franchise has been kept alive by its fans' stubborn unwillingness to give up. Likewise, the Fallout license has survived and thrived because of its fans. Anyone who believes that a series of events like the Brotherhood of Steel release and the Van Buren cancellation should not have killed the franchise needs a small gift voucher for Reality Shop, Massachusetts. In fact, the franchise should have technically already been dead after the disappointment of Tactics and cancellation of Tactics 2.

Remember this: the historic value of a game, how long people will remember and play it, depends on the quality of the game.

The survival of a franchise depends completely on the fans.

So far, the Fallout fans have not let the franchise down.

On to the next question. Fallout fans have developed a reputation over the years of being irrationally bitter. The key word is irrational. Some have shown understanding of this or even slight sympathy with the fans. Others have decided they'll completely ignore the Fallout fanbase because they're just bitter anyway (how these people know the fanbase is bitter while ignoring it is a mystery). None have ever put it under scrutiny. Is this a consequence of the groupthink of some? Probably, but that's not a complete explanation. Like most legends, the Fallout fan bitterness is an interesting mix of truth, hearsay and people beating other people they never met before over the head with a sword.

A closer look at the history of the fallout fan communities helps reveal how they have responded and thought about developers and the franchise.

When BIS was a thriving branch of Interplay and was pumping out a fairly quick sequel to the surprise hit Fallout, there was little for the fans to complain about.

Fallout fans did not develop a reputation for bitterness until after Fallout Tactics was released. Many, who maintain the "bitter" stereotype of Fallout Fans, were not even present during that period nor have examined the archives that track the rising frustration of FO fans to Tactics. While the disappointment of seeing the rumors of a third Fallout die and getting a tactical game instead (which really isn't the fans' genre), the response was many things, but not negative. NMA, V13 and especially DaC covered the game with interest, happy that the franchise was alive, interested to see how this game would turn out.

Fans in games
Interplay and BIS fan interaction, back when "By gamers for gamers" held very true, is legend. So much so that it became almost a habit to include fans in the Fallout games. Fallout 2 includes a random encounter in which the very first coherent Fallout community, the Unwashed Villagers, is seen battling a spammer, the Grim Reaper, who was indeed a spammer that plagued the official Interplay forums for a long time. In Fallout Tactics the well-known Fallout fan and commentator Roshambo is included, and the developers give a nod to the "friendly" conversation they had with him by representing him as an old man, gabbling like an idiot.
The release of Fallout: Brotherhood of Steal led to a more clear cut display of fan bitterness at what was felt to be a betrayal. Interplay was making bold-faced lies about the quality and direction of the game but, unlike some companies, did not have the staff to hype it up properly nor could they lean on the gaming media to hype it for them. Result? The game was the abject failure that Fallout fans predicted it would be. Attitude results? Most people don't care about it, maybe a handful like it, the rest hate it. Few people have ever attacked the Fallout fan anger towards this game, as it is too obvious it has no place in Fallout lore.

When Interplay introduced Van Buren many feared that the game was vaporware and gave up on it even before it started. This was a result of Interplay's mismanagement and Van Buren following directly on two cancelled projects (TORN and Jefferson). But as the game developed further the excitement amongst remaining Fallout fans grew. Yes, it was going to be a TB/RT hybrid. Yes, it was going to have multiplayer co-op. Yes, it did not have any significant Fallout creators working on it. And yet the Fallout fans wanted this game and were furious with its cancellation. It has to be said that a lot of good will towards Van Buren was created after its cancellation, when fans found out the game would have kept fairly true to the franchise.

As of this writing, little official information has been given on Bethesda's Fallout 3. What little news has been released has left an unpleasant impression on the fallout fans and have left many worried about what Bethesda plans to release. Thus far the fallout community has remained calm if suspicious. Does this mean consent or approval of what Bethesda will offer? No. It is more likely that the fans will reject with outrage should Bethesda betray the fans who wish to see a game they have long looked forward too, and have long been denied.

When looking at fan and developer interaction, we can skip Fallout 1 and 2 as happy memories.

In Tactics' case, the developers were open and honest about the game being a tactical spin-off of a CRPG. They, including one original Fallout developer, talked freely about the game and discussed facets of game, even going as far as altering the game in response to community feedback. With fan support, Tactics became the most pre-ordered Interplay game ever and made many top-selling lists after its release.

So why the later disappointment and anger?

Because it was a spinoff, fans were more interested in the way Tactics treated the setting than in how the tactical gameplay turned out. And there's too much to be unhappy about when it comes to how Tactics treated the setting. These arguments have also been made for Fallout 2, but a lot of Fallout 2's setting flaws are compensated by good execution of Fallout's central RPG-philosophies.

When people were shocked at how angry Fallout fans were about what they perceived as the fun game Fallout Tactics, they should have taken a moment to realize the anger was about fur-covered deathclaws first and about the quality of the game second. And when it comes to quality, Tactics also suffered from having been presented as a post-apocalyptic Jagged Alliance, a promise it never lived up to.

The console-only Brotherhood of Steel illustrates two interesting things. (1) The Fallout fans are not readily influenced by attempts to hype a game. Rather attempts to do so will bounce off the fans. This failure to hype the game with the fans is likely to be reflected in the media coverage of that game. (2) The failure of the game was in large part due to the failure of the developer to understand some of the core mechanics of how franchises stay commercially successful.

Unsurprisingly, the voices that had argued for giving the game a chance during its development were silenced by the release, and then disappeared.

The reaction to the entire tale of Van Buren proves one thing: the statement "Fallout fans will never be happy with a sequel to the game" is a complete and irredeemable falsehood. Van Buren was badly criticized and picked apart, it was attacked from all sides by mobs of angry fans, but it was never denied a fair chance and it was never discounted beforehand as an untrue Fallout despite missing or changing so many key elements and being created by a relative stranger to the franchise. Nor is there truth in the often heard argument that Fallout fans will only be happy with Van Buren. Van Buren had to conquer its place as an accepted sequel as would any other sequel.

It is impossible to say what would have followed Van Buren had it been completed and released as Fallout 3. But it is interesting that this case can be directly compared to Bethesda. The key factor is that Bethesda has shown little willingness to communicate and revealed only bits of, mostly negative, information. This has led to a reciprocal relationship between Bethesda and the community. Bethesda does not give the fans a chance for input in the game's development, so the fans will not give Bethesda a chance to prove themselves. The chances given to Van Buren are denied to Bethesda's Fallout 3.

But this assessment is unfair for the very reason that Fallout 3 has not yet attempted to prove itself. To draw up a reasonable prediction of the future one must look over the several cases of development and reaction that we've seen. We've seen "good game, **** setting" with Tactics. We've seen "I'll kill you!" with Brotherhood of Steel. We've seen "I don't agree with you but damn this game has some promise" with Van Buren. Bethesda can choose any of these paths and the reactions will likely be the same as they were before.

There has been a relationship between how the fans have responded and the attitude of the developers to the franchise and to the fans. What sticks out as a sore thumb is that the general reaction to Fallout games (based on Fallout 1, 2, Tactics and Van Buren) has changed to become more critical, but has always been a situation of excitement, interest and support from the fans. Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel and the current situation concerning Bethesda form the exceptions, not the rule. Assuming that it is not the Fallout fanbase that's gone insane, which is easy to support since Van Buren and BoS happened simultaneously, Occam's Razor puts the blame square on Interplay and Bethesda. But as mentioned above, Bethesda still has plenty of freedom to make choices to change the situation.

What never changes is that the fans have always upheld the essential elements and themes of the franchise over the ability of the developers to sweet talk their games. Even Interplay, which had provided both Fallout 1 and Fallout 2, could not sell the Fallout Community on the idea of Brotherhood of Steel.

Fallout Fans have been committed to the integrity of the game as established by Fallout 1. If a developer creates a sequel that upholds the integrity of the franchise, than the sequel will be welcomed and rewarded. But while developers may seek to profit from the game, Fallout fans are driven by their desire to see further expansion of Fallout that is both consistent with, and maintains the integrity of the franchise as begun with Fallout 1.

Of course, the reactions are far from neutral. Fallout fans have been bitterly disappointed and outspoken in their frustration. But is there an irrational element to the Fallout fan attitude? The answer is: "No not a lot."

Not "no, none", because that would be stating that the abuse that Fallout fans have received over the years meant nothing. The answer still is "no", because Fallout fan attitude distills into a pure no-nonsense policy. Fallout fans tend to consider the case at hand, form their opinion on it and express it in a no-nonsense, direct way.

No-nonsense implies not taking **** from anybody, which is what confused a lot of people. Taking **** from people is a pre in anyone covering or following any game development. Fallout fans can call themselves an exception to this norm. If they do not like something, they say so, and they do not attach footnotes, ifs or buts, they simply tell you why you're wrong. And then they ban you.

Yes, Fallout fans are a pissed off bunch and have good reason to be so. But they are not pissed off in an irrational or inconsistent manner. Consider: Brotherhood of Steel shows that Fallout fans are an angry, spiteful bunch that will puncture through any attempt to veil the truth in the pr-hype manner of the gaming industry. Van Buren shows that Fallout fans posses a sense of rationalism, prioritizing and minor relativism. It shows that trying to get them to shut up about furry deathclaws, SPECIAL and turn-based is as good as impossible. But it is far from impossible for them to accept a well-meant and well-executed attempt to make a proper Fallout sequel, provided it simply does not cross the line from innovation to destruction.

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#206 FirstDiscovery
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Yay Oblivion with guns am confirmed!
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#207 FirstDiscovery
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I wanted this game so bad. I was so hyped. Then I started seeing more gameplay videos. :( This is Oblivion with guns, and I absolutely despise Oblivion.BioShockOwnz
Not that Morrowind was any better, but Oblivion did streamline a lot of things well, the only problem was that the quests were boring and the levelling was totally broken. Seriously, i was still having problems killing a bear at level 30
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#208 organic_machine
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Yes, Fallout fans are a pissed off bunch and have good reason to be so. But they are not pissed off in an irrational or inconsistent manner. Consider: Brotherhood of Steel shows that Fallout fans are an angry, spiteful bunch that will puncture through any attempt to veil the truth in the pr-hype manner of the gaming industry. Van Buren shows that Fallout fans posses a sense of rationalism, prioritizing and minor relativism. It shows that trying to get them to shut up about furry deathclaws, SPECIAL and turn-based is as good as impossible. But it is far from impossible for them to accept a well-meant and well-executed attempt to make a proper Fallout sequel, provided it simply does not cross the line from innovation to destruction.

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#209 skrat_01
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*epic post*

devious742
Wow you typed all that?

Fantastic post.

You should seriously save it.

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#210 angelkimne
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Wow you typed all that?

Fantastic post.

You should seriously save it.

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organic_machine
I councur !!!
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#211 anshul89
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:o :shock: @ devious
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#212 flclempire
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Confirmation of a shallow, generic game. Wonderful :|
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#213 RobbieH1234
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[QUOTE="devious742"]*epic post*

skrat_01
Wow you typed all that?

Fantastic post.

You should seriously save it.

I took 3 of those paragraphs and did a search at NMA; would you look at that, an exact match. Then I took 3 more paragraphs and I got the same post. I registered an account to see the post, but it no longer exists. So yeah...he probably saved Brother_None's article and copy/pasted it here.
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#214 skrat_01
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[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

[QUOTE="devious742"]*epic post*

RobbieH1234
Wow you typed all that?

Fantastic post.

You should seriously save it.

I took 3 of those paragraphs and did a search at NMA; would you look at that, an exact match. Then I took 3 more paragraphs and I got the same post. I registered an account to see the post, but it no longer exists. So yeah...he probably saved Brother_None's article and copy/pasted it here.

Hrmmm.

Not a fan of plagiarism, if true....

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#215 devious742
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it is..i actually told you guys about that article a couple pages back... :P i kept telling you guys but no one listened to me :(

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#216 RobbieH1234
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it is..i actually told you guys about that article a couple pages back... :P i kept telling you guys but no one listened to me :(devious742
Oh...I skipped a few pages because the thread was going in circles. :P
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#217 devious742
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[QUOTE="skrat_01"]Wow you typed all that?

Fantastic post.

You should seriously save it.

angelkimne

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organic_machine

I councur !!!

i just got back..sorry for all the confusion..i thought that everyone read that article i posted a couple pages back..its the same thing... i added a link to that one but not this one.....forgot to add link..my bad

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#218 InsaneBasura
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PC version will definately be the one to buy in this case, if it has a leveling system like Oblivion's and combat is as dull as the gameplay videos make it out to be. Mods could fix it all.Saturos3091

You just made me have some sort of epiphany. And it's cheaper too. Don't know why I was even considering getting it for 360. It makes little sense to me now. I have seen the light.

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#219 VoodooGamer
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Strange, it seems the people who were on the fence before or who thought the game was going to be good are now saying it's Oblivion with guns and the game is going to suck..how times change.
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#220 Pariah_001
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[QUOTE="devious742"]*epic post*

skrat_01
Wow you typed all that?

Fantastic post.

You should seriously save it.

That was an NMA article.

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#221 Espada12
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[QUOTE="Espada12"][QUOTE="clone01"]

huh? the fact that they are the definition of mediocrity? oh, no.

clone01

Thanks for your opinion.

and thanks for yours.

Sorry but I didn't have an opinion there, just stating facts. Also the irony of calling out certain bands being mediocre when you have dethklok as your avatar. Terrible Terrible music, but hey here's an opinion you can call me out for :)

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#222 clone01
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[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Espada12"][QUOTE="clone01"]

huh? the fact that they are the definition of mediocrity? oh, no.

Espada12

Thanks for your opinion.

and thanks for yours.

Sorry but I didn't have an opinion there, just stating facts. Also the irony of calling out certain bands being mediocre when you have dethklok as your avatar. Terrible Terrible music, but hey here's an opinion you can call me out for :)

actually, everything you stated was opinion. and you do know that dethklok is a joke band, like spinal tap, right? now go and listen to nickelback, please.

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#223 MetroidPrimePwn
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Wait... So he said it would be approachable to anybody who plays first or third person games... What if I only play 2nd person games? Or maybe I'm a fan of fourth person shooters?
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#224 Espada12
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actually, everything you stated was opinion. and you do know that dethklok is a joke band, like spinal tap, right? now go and listen to nickelback, please.

clone01

Where is my opinion point it out to me? And who cares if they are a joke band.. they sell CDs which to me makes them not so much of a joke :), also I don't know anything about nickleback beside that their a band, but I've heard stuff from dethklok.. what trash.

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#225 mattbbpl
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[QUOTE="clone01"]

actually, everything you stated was opinion. and you do know that dethklok is a joke band, like spinal tap, right? now go and listen to nickelback, please.

Espada12

Where is my opinion point it out to me? And who cares if they are a joke band.. they sell CDs which to me makes them not so much of a joke :), also I don't know anything about nickleback beside that their a band, but I've heard stuff from dethklok.. what trash.

Dethklok is a tongue-in-cheek band from an animated show on Cartoon Network. I certainly wouldn't say they're a legitimate musical group.
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#226 HappyAppe
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I personally really enjoyed Oblivion, and am extremely excited for Fallout 3. Everything I've seen looks good to me.
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#228 BobHipJames
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Yes, this game should be renamed into some spinoff title....

Actually, Elder Scrolls V: Fallout would be MUCH more appropriate.

Let's put it this way: I don't mind that Bethesda makes mediocre games. I don't mind that they're pooping all over Fallout fans and croaking about accessibility and all this other garbage they're attempting to homogenize to appeal to a broader audience.

Just like I don't care that some plebs like to play Madden. It's all good.

What I care about is when people take the high road in favor of mediocrity on this issue. "You guys NEED to stop **** about Fallout 3, serrsly!"

It's called quality control, g-dammit. We **** and HOPEFULLY these franchises stop getting milked for all they're worth and somebody with some degree of artistic integrity, intelligence, and interest in the finer points of game design makes a good game. I don't care if it's called Fallout. Nobody does. No one. Kill Fallout. I don't care. Just give me a good game.

It just so happens that Fallout was one of very few franchises that maintained poise and integrity, hitting high water marks and remaining the standard until the present day. And it's still playable (I just beat Fallout 1 last week for the first time).

So why can't we stand up for game designers NOT approaching bare minimum? We're all forum goons. We sit here and chat about games. We're all losers. We all care about games way too much. We care about CONSOLES way too much, most of us. PS2, PS3, 360 doesn't matter. Sales don't matter. So why do we find it SO IMPOSSIBLE to collectively agitate for a quality game?

Just get real and ask for a good game instead of taking it in the backside for homogenized garbage.

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#229 Evz0rz
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Can't wait for the new Fallout fans making hundreds of topics saying how Fallout 3 is the best RPG ever.MagnuzGuerra

It's going to be like Bioshock/System Shock all over again

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#230 organic_machine
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So why can't we stand up for game designers NOT approaching bare minimum? We're all forum goons. We sit here and chat about games. We're all losers. We all care about games way too much. We care about CONSOLES way too much, most of us. PS2, PS3, 360 doesn't matter. Sales don't matter. So why do we find it SO IMPOSSIBLE to collectively agitate for a quality game?

Just get real and ask for a good game instead of taking it in the backside for homogenized garbage.

BobHipJames

Yes, yes, and yes! I completely agree. Poeple act like they are greater than everyone else because they don't "complain." But what they don't rrealize is that complaining actually shapes games. Conmplaining is what made Oblivion what it is. The xbox players complained that it was too difficult to get into and boom, Oblivion was user firendly. and we are most definitely going to complain about Fallout, because it DOES make a difference.

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#231 odin2019
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[QUOTE="BobHipJames"]

So why can't we stand up for game designers NOT approaching bare minimum? We're all forum goons. We sit here and chat about games. We're all losers. We all care about games way too much. We care about CONSOLES way too much, most of us. PS2, PS3, 360 doesn't matter. Sales don't matter. So why do we find it SO IMPOSSIBLE to collectively agitate for a quality game?

Just get real and ask for a good game instead of taking it in the backside for homogenized garbage.

organic_machine

Yes, yes, and yes! I completely agree. Poeple act like they are greater than everyone else because they don't "complain." But what they don't rrealize is that complaining actually shapes games. Conmplaining is what made Oblivion what it is. The xbox players complained that it was too difficult to get into and boom, Oblivion was user firendly. and we are most definitely going to complain about Fallout, because it DOES make a difference.

No.........In this case your wasting your time. The game has already been made and they are just working out bug problems at this point. These Fallout fanboys are like parrots Fallout 3 this, Fallout 3 that, will you just shut the **** up if I give you a cracker?

You can complain all you want but the game has been made and thats that. The people that are complaining are in the minority compared to how many people have been impressed by this game.

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#232 0bscurity
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[QUOTE="Espada12"][QUOTE="clone01"]

actually, everything you stated was opinion. and you do know that dethklok is a joke band, like spinal tap, right? now go and listen to nickelback, please.

mattbbpl

Where is my opinion point it out to me? And who cares if they are a joke band.. they sell CDs which to me makes them not so much of a joke :), also I don't know anything about nickleback beside that their a band, but I've heard stuff from dethklok.. what trash.

Dethklok is a tongue-in-cheek band from an animated show on Cartoon Network. I certainly wouldn't say they're a legitimate musical group.

He's making fun of them as if clone was in the band or something. Plus, Dethklok is awesome for what they are. Brandon Smalls can shred up a storm, he's a great guitar player.

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#233 organic_machine
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No.........In this case your wasting your time. The game has already been made and they are just working out bug problems at this point. These Fallout fanboys are like parrots Fallout 3 this, Fallout 3 that, will you just shut the **** up if I give you a cracker?

You can complain all you want but the game has been made and thats that. The people that are complaining are in the minority compared to how many people have been impressed by this game.

odin2019

I know it won't change. But shutting up will reward them. It is our right to give them hell and we get to do so. You may tell us that we're wasting our time, and maybe we are, but it is our right to do so.

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#234 Ragashahs
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i still want my old fallout:cry:
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#235 BobHipJames
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No.........In this case your wasting your time. The game has already been made and they are just working out bug problems at this point. These Fallout fanboys are like parrots Fallout 3 this, Fallout 3 that, will you just shut the **** up if I give you a cracker?

You can complain all you want but the game has been made and thats that. The people that are complaining are in the minority compared to how many people have been impressed by this game.

odin2019

What have you been impressed by, exactly?

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#236 Espada12
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[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="Espada12"][QUOTE="clone01"]

actually, everything you stated was opinion. and you do know that dethklok is a joke band, like spinal tap, right? now go and listen to nickelback, please.

0bscurity

Where is my opinion point it out to me? And who cares if they are a joke band.. they sell CDs which to me makes them not so much of a joke :), also I don't know anything about nickleback beside that their a band, but I've heard stuff from dethklok.. what trash.

Dethklok is a tongue-in-cheek band from an animated show on Cartoon Network. I certainly wouldn't say they're a legitimate musical group.

He's making fun of them as if clone was in the band or something. Plus, Dethklok is awesome for what they are. Brandon Smalls can shred up a storm, he's a great guitar player.

Read from when I intially started quoting him please.

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#237 LOXO7
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Yeah i wonder what Fallout 3 is going to be about with a name like fallout :roll:
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#238 Vyse_The_Daring
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No Hermit thread would be complete without a jab at Halo in the OP. :lol:
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#239 GiveMeSomething
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i think this game is gonna flop, and hard lol.
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#240 -TheSecondSign-
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I love Bethesda, because of Morrowind, one of the best RPGs ever made, but Fallout 3 looks like an Oblivion quality game.

They could do so much better.

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#241 Vandalvideo
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Yes, this game should be renamed into some spinoff title....Actually, Elder Scrolls V: Fallout would be MUCH more appropriate.Let's put it this way: I don't mind that Bethesda makes mediocre games. I don't mind that they're pooping all over Fallout fans and croaking about accessibility and all this other garbage they're attempting to homogenize to appeal to a broader audience.BobHipJames
Highly agree. I mean, I think my stance on this is illustrated by my stance on the new Silent Hill game. I wrote a long blog post detailing my concerns for Silent Hill: Homecoming. Prior to that, I had written one about Fallout. There is a distinct difference in tone between the two, despite both being abominations on their respected franchises. The reason? Konami had the decency to name the game Homecoming instead of pretending it was an official followup. I tend to have a little more respect for that sort of thing. My post, despite pointing out the obvious retcons and plot flaws, is al ittle optimistic instead of lashing out directly at Konami. I think 90% of the criticism would disappear if Bethesda did what Konami did and just changed the name.
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#242 clone01
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[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="Espada12"][QUOTE="clone01"]

actually, everything you stated was opinion. and you do know that dethklok is a joke band, like spinal tap, right? now go and listen to nickelback, please.

0bscurity

Where is my opinion point it out to me? And who cares if they are a joke band.. they sell CDs which to me makes them not so much of a joke :), also I don't know anything about nickleback beside that their a band, but I've heard stuff from dethklok.. what trash.

Dethklok is a tongue-in-cheek band from an animated show on Cartoon Network. I certainly wouldn't say they're a legitimate musical group.

He's making fun of them as if clone was in the band or something. Plus, Dethklok is awesome for what they are. Brandon Smalls can shred up a storm, he's a great guitar player.

indeed, that guy is a great player. and yes, nickelback is still terrible.

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#243 Cocacolacowboy
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[QUOTE="0bscurity"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="Espada12"][QUOTE="clone01"]

actually, everything you stated was opinion. and you do know that dethklok is a joke band, like spinal tap, right? now go and listen to nickelback, please.

clone01

Where is my opinion point it out to me? And who cares if they are a joke band.. they sell CDs which to me makes them not so much of a joke :), also I don't know anything about nickleback beside that their a band, but I've heard stuff from dethklok.. what trash.

Dethklok is a tongue-in-cheek band from an animated show on Cartoon Network. I certainly wouldn't say they're a legitimate musical group.

He's making fun of them as if clone was in the band or something. Plus, Dethklok is awesome for what they are. Brandon Smalls can shred up a storm, he's a great guitar player.

indeed, that guy is a great player. and yes, nickelback is still terrible.

nickelback makes all the toothless barhags with dee snider hairdos alongt with rolls popping out of a walmart bought tube top displaying the words "Hottie", dance on the barstools after about 5 rum and cokes.