Fallout 3 to be approachable to newcomers!

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="swamplord666"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]I wanted this game so bad. I was so hyped. Then I started seeing more gameplay videos. :( This is Oblivion with guns, and I absolutely despise Oblivion.FantasySports02

Another thing I'm concerned about is the depressing browns. How fun will this large and open world be to explore? I was bored of Oblivion, yet atleast it had some color to it.

The only reason Oblivion sucked was cause the enemies level'd up with you. If they fix that, I think fallout will be good.

I am probably in the minority but I am more interested in playing Fable 2 or THe Last Remnant than playing Fallout 3 for my RPG fix.

Oblivion was just way too boring, and this looks just as boring.jg4xchamp

Yea I wouldn't play a FPS for my RPG fix either.

*Adds this quote to the pile of quotes representing Bethesda's sojourn into depravity* Sigh, you'd think they want to be bashed now.Vandalvideo

In a surprising turn of events, Bethesda decided to cater to newcomers of the Fallout series with their magnum opus Fallout 3, surprising considering how obscure and niche the game was looking in terms of appeal.

http://www.psu.com/Hines-on-making-Fallout-3-approachable-to-newcomers-News--a0004733-p0.php

"For those of you worried about playing catch up in the Fallout series before taking on Bethesda's latest entry in the franchise, don't fret. Pete Hines has assured PSU that new players should have no problem picking up Fallout 3 and jumping right in."

Pete Hines: "'Well, we make sure you don't have to have played the previous Fallout games to understand what's going on in Fallout 3. Obviously the control scheme should be familiar with folks who have played a 1st or 3rd person game. That was one of the nice things I heard at PAX from a number of folks is that they felt like the basic controls were pretty intuitive and seemed to pick up on things like how to use the Pip-Boy or the V.A.T.S. combat system pretty quickly.'"

This is GREAT news! He said it will be familiar to people who have played a 1st person game! That means I'll be able to log off of Live after a sweet round of Slayer on Halo 3 and pop in Fallout 3 and jump right in the mayhem! Totally! I wasn't interested in this game until I learned about the portable nuclear missile launcher (LOL CARNAGE FTW) and the fact that it's going to be familiar to me, a total Fallout nincompoop.

Anyway, good to know this game won't blow a brain cell, despite what you basement-dwelling hermits want. Time to blow stuff up come this November!

BobHipJames

oh, and so it begins...

on topic, heck yeah! i can't wait for this title.

Every time someone calls this Oblivion with guns I get more excited. Sounds fun.Ignee

me too, actually! oh, well, i guess i'm just one of teh dumbed down peoples.

I am probably in the minority but I am more interested in playing Fable 2 or THe Last Remnant than playing Fallout 3 for my RPG fix.

Oblivion was just way too boring, and this looks just as boring.jg4xchamp

Your not alone.I want to play fable 2 way more,but I still want fallout 3.

this is great news

accessibility .. aka 'watering-down' to some hermits, is another great thing

that's why i like oblivion more than morrowind, or bioshock more than system shock 2 .. and explains why many people were disappointed with oblivion / bioshock

akif22

I love internet sarcasm

Nice sarcasm.

I had no hype for this game going into the topic, I still have none leaving. Oblivion with guns indeed.

[QUOTE="Ignee"]Every time someone calls this Oblivion with guns I get more excited. Sounds fun.clone01

me too, actually! oh, well, i guess i'm just one of teh dumbed down peoples.

You are! Game went from being a RPG to a FPS!

I wonder if, when most of us are not on SW, we step back and think about how stupid this all is. Hermits getting upset over this, and bashing Bethesda non stop is really, really sad.

So, they are making the game accessible, who cares, I think it still looks like fun. For those who have a problem with level scaling I can not help but think you still do not understand it. I would prefer it not be included either but it was not as simple as your enemy leveling up with you. I got so powerful in Oblivion I stopped using armor and would run around in a dress toying with monsters.

Those getting their panties in a wod over this need to come back to reality. I can understand the initial reaction being harsh, but to keep up the ****ing this long is absurd.

Bethesda, why do you forsake us?II_Seraphim_II

Because you are not worth the time; or the money.

Got to love that nostalgia. They..just..can't get....over..it.

(wow those fallout 2 graphics.. LOL... and there wasn't as much Role playing as you remember :) )

Oh look Tommy if I put another point here my conversation is slightly different! It's amazing!! Yes it is!! Ok gonna play Bauldur's gate, see ya.

Vortec33

I just finished Fallout 1 yesterday...

I'm playing Planescape and I'm playing Fallout 2 now.

And I utterly, utterly despise Oblivion, which I've played very recently and I have installed on my desktop now.

Fallout 1>Oblivion.

Wow, the hate for this game grows ever more. However, it is still one of my most anticipated titles for this year. The whole post nuclear war environment looks fantastic, and extremely atmospheric in a "my god, can you believe what happened" sort of way. On top of that, the game just looks like it will be fun as hell to me. Then again, I always end up loving Bethesda's games, and Oblivion was no exception, despite it's faults. Cannot wait, myself.ironcreed

Your Fable 2 sig says it all.

PC version will definately be the one to buy in this case, if it has a leveling system like Oblivion's and combat is as dull as the gameplay videos make it out to be. Mods could fix it all.Saturos3091

In the case of Oblivion....I modded the hell out of it....

An extensive leveling mod in addition to OOO.

It was still boring to play, had bad dialogue, repetitious environments, etc.

There are some lightly entertaining elements, TBH. It's still a very polished game with gaping, gaping holes.

Sounds... well, kinda neutral. I don't see why this in particular would be considerably inflaming, even to the devout Bethesda-haters.

First, it states that the control scheme is good and intuitive, which allows people to get accustomed to the mechanis quickly. I call this a plus.

Second, it states that people won't need to be into the franchise to understand what the story is about. I don't see how this is that big of a problem. I don't see them disregarding the story of Fallout. Most likely, they won't work too much with the Chosen One storylines. People who know Fallout 1 and 2 will likely have a headstart in understanding everything, and will get references to the past games (dogmeat references too, I hope). People who haven't will just need to do what everyone else had to do in Fallout 1, knowing the world.

I'm getting more and more convinced that people want to hate this game no matter what.

Fine, I'll set it out nice and clear for you. According to oxford english dictionary, atmosphere is the pervading tone and mood. Tone is the general character. Character is the qualities of distinctive nature. In other words, atmosphere is the pervading general qualities of a distinctive nature for a product. These qualities are defiend by the brand name, which also defines the expectations of the consumer. When those distinctive qualities are GONE, the atmosphere is different.Vandalvideo

So if a consumer's expectations are different because previous iterations of the franchise generated different ones, could it be somehow possible that this new fallout does keep to said expectations?

Subjectivity. It's a word.

And Verge, I do agree with you. The debate is kinda scary.

So if a consumer's expectations are different because previous iterations of the franchise generated different ones, could it be somehow possible that this new fallout does keep to said expectations? Subjectivity. It's a word.And Verge, I do agree with you. The debate is kinda scary. Grive

Why do we hate Fallout 3? Simple,

It's not an RPG, it's a shooter -> There won't be any meaningful choices, there will be only combat -> There won't be any ROLEPLAYING -> It's not an RPG ->It's not Fallout, yet it's being called Fallout and Bethesda has bought all the rights to it, which means that there probably never will be a true Fallout sequel.

I wanted this game so bad. I was so hyped. Then I started seeing more gameplay videos. :( This is Oblivion with guns, and I absolutely despise Oblivion.BioShockOwnz

You took the words right out of my mouth. I will pass on F3, and that decision has nothing to do with Bethesda, or the original games, it merely has to do with my utter abhorrence of Oblivion.

[QUOTE="ironcreed"]Wow, the hate for this game grows ever more. However, it is still one of my most anticipated titles for this year. The whole post nuclear war environment looks fantastic, and extremely atmospheric in a "my god, can you believe what happened" sort of way. On top of that, the game just looks like it will be fun as hell to me. Then again, I always end up loving Bethesda's games, and Oblivion was no exception, despite it's faults. Cannot wait, myself.BobHipJames

Your Fable 2 sig says it all.

What might that be exactly? That I have my own opinion and can enjoy games that fall outside of the "1337" club without feeling like a complete "n00b"? Try it some time, you might find quite a few fun games that you otherwise would have avoided in order to try and stay "hardcore."

Look, I play games for fun, and if a game is fun or appeals to me, then I play it. What a bunch of elitists who think they know what constitutes quality gaming and what does not based soley on their own limited "hardcore" conception of what gaming is supposed to be does not sway what I choose to play in the slightest. So, sorry if my tastes in gaming do not meet your almighty, gaming wizard standards, lol.

In the mean time, why don't you just play what you want, and leave others to do the same without having to weigh in with your 1337 little jabs and insults concerning what others personal preferences are. As who are you to judge what I, or anyone else likes to play? Just another gamer who mistakenly thinks his opinion is right, and everybody else's is wrong, that's all....And it is really quite sad and funny at the same time. Not to mention all too common.

Good day

So its just a mod then...

8.5 score here

Why do we hate Fallout 3? Simple,

It's not an RPG, it's a shooter -> There won't be any meaningful choices, there will be only combat -> There won't be any ROLEPLAYING -> It's not an RPG ->It's not Fallout, yet it's being called Fallout and Bethesda has bought all the rights to it, which means that there probably never will be a true Fallout sequel.

HenriH-42

Like there was ever going to be one anyway:|

The game is a decade old now, get over it. Besides, you do know that your narrow minded ideas about what should be an RPG are total BS?

[QUOTE="ironcreed"]Wow, the hate for this game grows ever more. However, it is still one of my most anticipated titles for this year. The whole post nuclear war environment looks fantastic, and extremely atmospheric in a "my god, can you believe what happened" sort of way. On top of that, the game just looks like it will be fun as hell to me. Then again, I always end up loving Bethesda's games, and Oblivion was no exception, despite it's faults. Cannot wait, myself.BobHipJames

Your Fable 2 sig says it all.

I eagerly anticipate Fallout 3 and I hope it sells 10 million copies and gets all perfect scores. Maybe then you will give up on gaming and find some other HOBBY to feel special about.

[QUOTE="BobHipJames"]

[QUOTE="ironcreed"]Wow, the hate for this game grows ever more. However, it is still one of my most anticipated titles for this year. The whole post nuclear war environment looks fantastic, and extremely atmospheric in a "my god, can you believe what happened" sort of way. On top of that, the game just looks like it will be fun as hell to me. Then again, I always end up loving Bethesda's games, and Oblivion was no exception, despite it's faults. Cannot wait, myself.ironcreed

Your Fable 2 sig says it all.

What might that be exactly? That I have my own opinion and can enjoy games that fall outside of the "1337" club without feeling like a complete "n00b"? Try it some time, you might find quite a few fun games that you otherwise would have avoided in order to try and stay "hardcore."

Look, I play games for fun, and if a game is fun or appeals to me, then I play it. What a bunch of elitists who think they know what constitutes quality gaming and what does not based soley on their own limited "hardcore" conception of what gaming is supposed to be does not sway what I choose to play in the slightest. So, sorry if my tastes in gaming do not meet your almighty, gaming wizard standards, lol.

In the mean time, why don't you just play what you want, and leave others to do the same without having to weigh in with your 1337 little jabs and insults concerning what others personal preferences are. As who are you to judge what I, or anyone else likes to play? Just another gamer who mistakenly thinks his opinion is right, and everybody else's is wrong, that's all....And it is really quite sad and funny at the same time. Not to mention all too common.

Good day

zing! seriously, well said. people here are taking this far too seriously.

If spore got a 8, this will get a 7Franko_3

I have not played the game yet so I don't know. But I do know the hype for this game was way, way to much. Will Wright (or however you spell his name) is just not that special.

[QUOTE="Franko_3"]If spore got a 8, this will get a 7Coyo7e

I have not played the game yet so I don't know. But I do know the hype for this game was way, way to much. Will Wright (or however you spell his name) is just not that special.

Thx for your opinion? He just created one of the most successful franchises ever.. yea not that special right?

[QUOTE="BobHipJames"]

[QUOTE="ironcreed"]Wow, the hate for this game grows ever more. However, it is still one of my most anticipated titles for this year. The whole post nuclear war environment looks fantastic, and extremely atmospheric in a "my god, can you believe what happened" sort of way. On top of that, the game just looks like it will be fun as hell to me. Then again, I always end up loving Bethesda's games, and Oblivion was no exception, despite it's faults. Cannot wait, myself.Coyo7e

Your Fable 2 sig says it all.

I eagerly anticipate Fallout 3 and I hope it sells 10 million copies and gets all perfect scores. Maybe then you will give up on gaming and find some other HOBBY to feel special about.

Wait you want it to do well to spite him? Ughh grow up?

[QUOTE="Grive"]So if a consumer's expectations are different because previous iterations of the franchise generated different ones, could it be somehow possible that this new fallout does keep to said expectations? Subjectivity. It's a word.And Verge, I do agree with you. The debate is kinda scary. Vandalvideo

So you are proposing that your experience when playing Fallout and Fallout 2 is objective? That it's absolutely impossible for anyone else to have found something else that appears in both games, and that defined Fallout for him?

So you are proposing that your experience when playing Fallout and Fallout 2 is objective? That it's absolutely impossible for anyone else to have found something else that appears in both games, and that defined Fallout for him? Grive

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]I wanted this game so bad. I was so hyped. Then I started seeing more gameplay videos. :( This is Oblivion with guns, and I absolutely despise Oblivion.Teufelhuhn

Well, I liked oblivion, so it will be good for me.

[QUOTE="Grive"]So you are proposing that your experience when playing Fallout and Fallout 2 is objective? That it's absolutely impossible for anyone else to have found something else that appears in both games, and that defined Fallout for him? Vandalvideo

So you are saying it, then.

So you are saying it, then. Grive

[QUOTE="Grive"]So you are saying it, then. Vandalvideo

So you were saying it, then.

Yes, this is quite scary.

I don't think there is much that can be added to this.

So you were saying it, then.Yes, this is quite scary. I don't think there is much that can be added to this.Grive

[QUOTE="Grive"]So you were saying it, then.Yes, this is quite scary. I don't think there is much that can be added to this.Vandalvideo

Once again, you're saying it. To quote you, "I'll set it out nice and clear to you":

There is a set of elements that you personally attribute as essential to the fallout franchise.

There is another set, which partially overlaps your own, and that someone else (not you!) attribute as essential to the fallout franchise.

Now, can you see how it is even possible that someone else (as in, someone who isn't you) might consider Fallout 3 to be a worthy successor to Fallout 1 & 2?

Or once again, do you believe that your personal experience and expectations of what made Fallout 1 and 2 what they were have to be the standard for everyone else on planet earth (and likely, beyond?).

There is a set of elements that you personally attribute as essential to the fallout franchise.There is another set, which partially overlaps your own, and that someone else (not you!) attribute as essential to the fallout franchise.Now, can you see how it is even possible that someone else (as in, someone who isn't you) might consider Fallout 3 to be a worthy successor to Fallout 1 & 2?Or once again, do you believe that your personal experience and expectations of what made Fallout 1 and 2 what they were have to be the standard for everyone else on planet earth (and likely, beyond?). Grive

Like there was ever going to be one anyway:|

The game is a decade old now, get over it. Besides, you do know that your narrow minded ideas about what should be an RPG are total BS?

Coyo7e

Let the sleeping dogs lie. If I can't have a true Fallout sequel, I don't want any kind of Fallout sequel. Some things are just better left alone, especially as the only thing Bethesda wants to do is to get some money.

And do you honestly think this is an RPG?

FYI: It's a shooter. It's Oblivion with guns. It's just pure s***. But of course, blind fanboys will buy it because of the hype and low standards. I really hope it flops hard and Bethesda goes out of business because that's what they deserve.